Firstly, this is not political but what a great country Britain is, we have given so much to the world, including the much maligned NHS. I know it has its problems but I have been a Type 1 Diabetic since 1969 and truly, I have wanted for nothing, including the equipment I need to treat my condition, the education needed to manage my condition, as well as the marvellous treatment I get from my diabetic nurse, who monitors my condition and not forgetting the Eye Unit at St Helier Hospital.
So, three cheers from me for the NHS.
Oh dear , you may have started a debate here Peabody.
No doubt that we should all be thankful for the NHS and in particular for the wonderful medical staff that serve us so well, you rarely hear a bad word against them.
A question mark hangs over the admin though compared with say the sixties. In hospitals for there seems to be so many people at computer stations and walking around carrying pieces of paper instead of attending to the sick in the wards.
I would really like to see the staff/ patient ratio in a modern hospital compared to that of sixty years ago.
But 60 years ago they didn't have computers, now they are integral to running the place.
But the NHS is a controversial topic at the moment - with lack of funding and nurses not having a pay rise for years, and creeping privatisation.
But forget the politics, I second Peabody in his cheers for the NHS - we are so lucky to have this, and should count our blessings.
Quote from: Peabody on June 22, 2017, 08:12:13 AM
Firstly, this is not political but what a great country Britain is, we have given so much to the world, including the much maligned NHS. I know it has its problems but I have been a Type 1 Diabetic since 1969 and truly, I have wanted for nothing, including the equipment I need to treat my condition, the education needed to manage my condition, as well as the marvellous treatment I get from my diabetic nurse, who monitors my condition and not forgetting the Eye Unit at St Helier Hospital.
So, three cheers from me for the NHS.
I am type 1 too and also at St Helier and I can confirm until now they have been brilliant. A little overloaded at times but nonetheless brilliant!
Anybody who walks out of St Helier has reasons to be cheerful
Quote from: epsomraver on June 22, 2017, 12:42:03 PM
Anybody who walks out of St Helier has reasons to be cheerful
You can say that again.
Quote from: epsomraver on June 22, 2017, 12:42:03 PM
Anybody who walks out of St Helier has reasons to be cheerful
There speaks someone from Epsom Hospital!
Quote from: RaySmith on June 22, 2017, 12:31:20 PM
But 60 years ago they didn't have computers, now they are integral to running the place.
But the NHS is a controversial topic at the moment - with lack of funding and nurses not having a pay rise for years, and creeping privatisation.
But forget the politics, I second Peabody in his cheers for the NHS - we are so lucky to have this, and should count our blessings.
I do agree, we are lucky to have such a good service and am right behind Peabody but would question if the modern computer based system is as efficient as the sixties Matron was.
The NHS is our most important asset. We must do everything possible to keep it out of the hands of grubby profiteers.
I was able to get treatment for my eye condition at East Grinstead after being diagnosed by one of the leading consultants in the field. It's treatment that isn't covered by insurance in the States, and while it's not a cure (hopefully a prevention of further deterioration) I have eyesight good enough to drive and do everything I need to in my daily life - thanks to the NHS.
My last NHS treatment was at Torbay. It was so good from beginning to end that I'm sure I couldn't have got better if I'd gone private.
That said, a friend who works at another hospital tells horror stories about the management, outdated policies and supervision.
ER is quite right. The very first time I was at St. Helier Hospital I had to be carried out.
.....Luckily we lived down the bottom of Rose Hill, so Mum was able to put the pram on a 164 bus and......no, hang on. She couldn't do that, could she? This was 1948 and if you tried to put a pram on a bus they'd call the law and have you banged up in one of the many loony bins situated around ER's (former) neck of the woods. Luckily the prams in those days had wheels on. Only about a mile to Sutton Green.
NHS: Flawed but Fantastic
Well said. Our member of the Fulham brotherhood, namely Old Brown Shoe, has had some really serious health issues recently but the help he as received has been phenomenal.
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It's me again. Some may care to Google 'Dr Bob Gill exposes The Naylor Review' and select a video. Makes an interesting viewing.
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Another Reason To Be Cheerful:
You are not a FC Bastia supporter. (you're not, are you?)
If you are - you have just been relegated from Ligue 1
- Fulham are sniffing around your right back
- and now, before you've kicked a ball in Ligue 2, you hear you've been relegated to the third tier for 'financial irregularities'.
I woke up again today. 092.gif. The new season starts in about 6 weeks :wine: 049:gif. Every day is a good day, even if sometimes you have to look a bit harder to see the good bits.
The NHS tries and the people are hard working. But the medical profession is too reliant on the big pharmaceutical companies, consequently many patients die unnecessarily.
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Quote from: GloucesterWhite on June 23, 2017, 10:10:34 AM
The NHS tries and the people are hard working. But the medical profession is too reliant on the big pharmaceutical companies, consequently many patients die unnecessarily.
This is supposed be a cheerful thread
A piece of genuine advice.
Never make your Doctor your heir.
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The NHS tries and the people are hard working. But the medical profession is too reliant on the big pharmaceutical companies, consequently many patients die unnecessarily.
This is supposed be a cheerful thread
Yes, sorry. My experience wasn't a happy one.
Quote from: filham on June 22, 2017, 07:02:28 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on June 22, 2017, 12:31:20 PM
But 60 years ago they didn't have computers, now they are integral to running the place.
But the NHS is a controversial topic at the moment - with lack of funding and nurses not having a pay rise for years, and creeping privatisation.
But forget the politics, I second Peabody in his cheers for the NHS - we are so lucky to have this, and should count our blessings.
I do agree, we are lucky to have such a good service and am right behind Peabody but would question if the modern computer based system is as efficient as the sixties Matron was.
There is a lot of merit in what you say by comparison, though on the one side we no longer produce such matrons as we saw as youngsters and on the other the computer system could be SO much better if it was implemented and maintained correctly.
Nothing political in this as it is across the broad spectrum, but it has always been my observation/experience - both sides of the pond - that the moment any level of government gets involved with decision-making in the IT world, it all goes to rats, i've seen/suffered it first hand.
That said, the NHS is still the best in the world, penny for penny, and the NHS employees need to be applauded much more than they usually are.
Quote from: filham on June 22, 2017, 12:13:02 PM
Oh dear , you may have started a debate here Peabody.
No doubt that we should all be thankful for the NHS and in particular for the wonderful medical staff that serve us so well, you rarely hear a bad word against them.
A question mark hangs over the admin though compared with say the sixties. In hospitals for there seems to be so many people at computer stations and walking around carrying pieces of paper instead of attending to the sick in the wards.
I would really like to see the staff/ patient ratio in a modern hospital compared to that of sixty years ago.
I work in a hospital sitting at a computer, walk around carrying pieces of paper, but if I didn't a lot of things would not happen,or it would make certain things much more difficult to accomplish. The biggest issue for the failures of the NHS are the people who present at a&e centres, it costs thousands every week to accommodate these people. I was in a&e recently when a young woman came in, she had pulled off a finger nail and was creating hell demanding to be seen, i guess it was hurting but a&e never.
Quote from: alfie on June 23, 2017, 06:44:46 PM
Quote from: filham on June 22, 2017, 12:13:02 PM
Oh dear , you may have started a debate here Peabody.
No doubt that we should all be thankful for the NHS and in particular for the wonderful medical staff that serve us so well, you rarely hear a bad word against them.
A question mark hangs over the admin though compared with say the sixties. In hospitals for there seems to be so many people at computer stations and walking around carrying pieces of paper instead of attending to the sick in the wards.
I would really like to see the staff/ patient ratio in a modern hospital compared to that of sixty years ago.
I work in a hospital sitting at a computer, walk around carrying pieces of paper, but if I didn't a lot of things would not happen,or it would make certain things much more difficult to accomplish. The biggest issue for the failures of the NHS are the people who present at a&e centres, it costs thousands every week to accommodate these people. I was in a&e recently when a young woman came in, she had pulled off a finger nail and was creating hell demanding to be seen, i guess it was hurting but a&e never.
So what was the lady who had lost the finger nail, and was probably in pain and with a risk of infection, supposed to do. Surely she deserves five minutes attention from a senior nurse to bandage her finger, advise her and to a prescribe a pain killer,
The problem I suspect is that a simple case clogs up the complicated admin/computer systems as much as a major injury would.
I am a little slow on the uptake these days and I now realise that I may have missed the main point in Alfies post.
I think what he was trying to say was that the main problem in medical admin are the patients and that if the number of patients were reduced to zero then the computer based admin system would be seen to work at 100% efficiency.
Having lived years in the U.S. I appreciate the NHS even more!
I had a three day stay in St Helier in the late 1960's and was quite impressed ( a few of my mates brought in cans of beer and the nurses turned a blind eye....not to mention that you could sneak in the odd smoke). The doctors were not bad either and sent me home in one piece. :022:
Quote from: filham on June 23, 2017, 09:24:28 PM
Quote from: alfie on June 23, 2017, 06:44:46 PM
Quote from: filham on June 22, 2017, 12:13:02 PM
Oh dear , you may have started a debate here Peabody.
No doubt that we should all be thankful for the NHS and in particular for the wonderful medical staff that serve us so well, you rarely hear a bad word against them.
A question mark hangs over the admin though compared with say the sixties. In hospitals for there seems to be so many people at computer stations and walking around carrying pieces of paper instead of attending to the sick in the wards.
I would really like to see the staff/ patient ratio in a modern hospital compared to that of sixty years ago.
I work in a hospital sitting at a computer, walk around carrying pieces of paper, but if I didn't a lot of things would not happen,or it would make certain things much more difficult to accomplish. The biggest issue for the failures of the NHS are the people who present at a&e centres, it costs thousands every week to accommodate these people. I was in a&e recently when a young woman came in, she had pulled off a finger nail and was creating hell demanding to be seen, i guess it was hurting but a&e never.
So what was the lady who had lost the finger nail, and was probably in pain and with a risk of infection, supposed to do. Surely she deserves five minutes attention from a senior nurse to bandage her finger, advise her and to a prescribe a pain killer,
The problem I suspect is that a simple case clogs up the complicated admin/computer systems as much as a major injury would.
With a finger nail, she could have gone to her GP, she could have gone to a chemist and sought advice, she could have bought instead of getting for free a plaster and some antiseptic cream and done it herself, that is not what A and E was set up for but sadly as Alfie says, that is what it is used for.
Quote from: epsomraver on June 24, 2017, 11:06:49 AM
Quote from: filham on June 23, 2017, 09:24:28 PM
Quote from: alfie on June 23, 2017, 06:44:46 PM
Quote from: filham on June 22, 2017, 12:13:02 PM
Oh dear , you may have started a debate here Peabody.
No doubt that we should all be thankful for the NHS and in particular for the wonderful medical staff that serve us so well, you rarely hear a bad word against them.
A question mark hangs over the admin though compared with say the sixties. In hospitals for there seems to be so many people at computer stations and walking around carrying pieces of paper instead of attending to the sick in the wards.
I would really like to see the staff/ patient ratio in a modern hospital compared to that of sixty years ago.
I work in a hospital sitting at a computer, walk around carrying pieces of paper, but if I didn't a lot of things would not happen,or it would make certain things much more difficult to accomplish. The biggest issue for the failures of the NHS are the people who present at a&e centres, it costs thousands every week to accommodate these people. I was in a&e recently when a young woman came in, she had pulled off a finger nail and was creating hell demanding to be seen, i guess it was hurting but a&e never.
So what was the lady who had lost the finger nail, and was probably in pain and with a risk of infection, supposed to do. Surely she deserves five minutes attention from a senior nurse to bandage her finger, advise her and to a prescribe a pain killer,
The problem I suspect is that a simple case clogs up the complicated admin/computer systems as much as a major injury would.
With a finger nail, she could have gone to her GP, she could have gone to a chemist and sought advice, she could have bought instead of getting for free a plaster and some antiseptic cream and done it herself, that is not what A and E was set up for but sadly as Alfie says, that is what it is used for.
You are 100% correct there ER, and have hit the nail on the head, not the finger nail I hope.
But you are pointing the finger in the right direction, and have nailed the issue down.
That person should be embarrassed to go to A&E with that.
But sadly a generation of wimps has been created by a nanny state.
I remember once getting a large splinter jammed deep under my finger nail, which was really painful, and after eventually removing it myself carefully with tweezers, and putting some antiseptic cream on it, it was still very painful and would not stop throbbing.
So I remedied it by taking a claw hammer to one of my thumb and bashing my thumb with it. The excruciating pain from my thumb quickly made me forget the pain from my finger nail, and I lived happily ever after.
So if ever that happens to you find a hammer, and any problem is resolved.
Quote from: GloucesterWhite on June 23, 2017, 10:10:34 AM
The NHS tries and the people are hard working. But the medical profession is too reliant on the big pharmaceutical companies, consequently many patients die unnecessarily.
Unfortunately people don't listen to the scientists enough and money is wasted and more importantly, lives are lost. People are priced out of therapies due to incompetence when there is a cheaper cure. For example, a lot of diabetic patients are on synthetic "slow" or "fast" acting insulin which is expensive when they would be no worse off on a normal human insulin analogue which is 1/4 the price. When you go in to biomedical research you begin to see a lot wrong with both the medical and scientific systems. It's a real shame.
Reasons to be happy - We are going to win the league next season. :)
Quote from: epsomraver on June 24, 2017, 11:06:49 AM
Quote from: filham on June 23, 2017, 09:24:28 PM
Quote from: alfie on June 23, 2017, 06:44:46 PM
Quote from: filham on June 22, 2017, 12:13:02 PM
Oh dear , you may have started a debate here Peabody.
No doubt that we should all be thankful for the NHS and in particular for the wonderful medical staff that serve us so well, you rarely hear a bad word against them.
A question mark hangs over the admin though compared with say the sixties. In hospitals for there seems to be so many people at computer stations and walking around carrying pieces of paper instead of attending to the sick in the wards.
I would really like to see the staff/ patient ratio in a modern hospital compared to that of sixty years ago.
I work in a hospital sitting at a computer, walk around carrying pieces of paper, but if I didn't a lot of things would not happen,or it would make certain things much more difficult to accomplish. The biggest issue for the failures of the NHS are the people who present at a&e centres, it costs thousands every week to accommodate these people. I was in a&e recently when a young woman came in, she had pulled off a finger nail and was creating hell demanding to be seen, i guess it was hurting but a&e never.
So what was the lady who had lost the finger nail, and was probably in pain and with a risk of infection, supposed to do. Surely she deserves five minutes attention from a senior nurse to bandage her finger, advise her and to a prescribe a pain killer,
The problem I suspect is that a simple case clogs up the complicated admin/computer systems as much as a major injury would.
With a finger nail, she could have gone to her GP, she could have gone to a chemist and sought advice, she could have bought instead of getting for free a plaster and some antiseptic cream and done it herself, that is not what A and E was set up for but sadly as Alfie says, that is what it is used for.
Getting an appointment with a GP can be very difficult and time consuming, sometimes patients need attention quickly.
One thing that medical administrators fail to realise this that their patients also have important jobs and that time and broken appointments can as critical the them as it is to medical people.
Still don't accept that A & E shouldn't be capable of turning round minor injuries quickly, especially as they offer a 24 hr service when GPs and chemists are not available.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 24, 2017, 12:02:33 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on June 24, 2017, 11:06:49 AM
Quote from: filham on June 23, 2017, 09:24:28 PM
Quote from: alfie on June 23, 2017, 06:44:46 PM
Quote from: filham on June 22, 2017, 12:13:02 PM
Oh dear , you may have started a debate here Peabody.
No doubt that we should all be thankful for the NHS and in particular for the wonderful medical staff that serve us so well, you rarely hear a bad word against them.
A question mark hangs over the admin though compared with say the sixties. In hospitals for there seems to be so many people at computer stations and walking around carrying pieces of paper instead of attending to the sick in the wards.
I would really like to see the staff/ patient ratio in a modern hospital compared to that of sixty years ago.
I work in a hospital sitting at a computer, walk around carrying pieces of paper, but if I didn't a lot of things would not happen,or it would make certain things much more difficult to accomplish. The biggest issue for the failures of the NHS are the people who present at a&e centres, it costs thousands every week to accommodate these people. I was in a&e recently when a young woman came in, she had pulled off a finger nail and was creating hell demanding to be seen, i guess it was hurting but a&e never.
So what was the lady who had lost the finger nail, and was probably in pain and with a risk of infection, supposed to do. Surely she deserves five minutes attention from a senior nurse to bandage her finger, advise her and to a prescribe a pain killer,
The problem I suspect is that a simple case clogs up the complicated admin/computer systems as much as a major injury would.
With a finger nail, she could have gone to her GP, she could have gone to a chemist and sought advice, she could have bought instead of getting for free a plaster and some antiseptic cream and done it herself, that is not what A and E was set up for but sadly as Alfie says, that is what it is used for.
You are 100% correct there ER, and have hit the nail on the head, not the finger nail I hope.
But you are pointing the finger in the right direction, and have nailed the issue down.
That person should be embarrassed to go to A&E with that.
But sadly a generation of wimps has been created by a nanny state.
I remember once getting a large splinter jammed deep under my finger nail, which was really painful, and after eventually removing it myself carefully with tweezers, and putting some antiseptic cream on it, it was still very painful and would not stop throbbing.
So I remedied it by taking a claw hammer to one of my thumb and bashing my thumb with it. The excruciating pain from my thumb quickly made me forget the pain from my finger nail, and I lived happily ever after.
So if ever that happens to you find a hammer, and any problem is resolved.
Brilliant Woolly I am in a bar in St Pauli tonight and your post has made the whole bar laugh.
Quote from: gang on June 25, 2017, 12:02:39 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 24, 2017, 12:02:33 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on June 24, 2017, 11:06:49 AM
Quote from: filham on June 23, 2017, 09:24:28 PM
Quote from: alfie on June 23, 2017, 06:44:46 PM
Quote from: filham on June 22, 2017, 12:13:02 PM
Oh dear , you may have started a debate here Peabody.
No doubt that we should all be thankful for the NHS and in particular for the wonderful medical staff that serve us so well, you rarely hear a bad word against them.
A question mark hangs over the admin though compared with say the sixties. In hospitals for there seems to be so many people at computer stations and walking around carrying pieces of paper instead of attending to the sick in the wards.
I would really like to see the staff/ patient ratio in a modern hospital compared to that of sixty years ago.
I work in a hospital sitting at a computer, walk around carrying pieces of paper, but if I didn't a lot of things would not happen,or it would make certain things much more difficult to accomplish. The biggest issue for the failures of the NHS are the people who present at a&e centres, it costs thousands every week to accommodate these people. I was in a&e recently when a young woman came in, she had pulled off a finger nail and was creating hell demanding to be seen, i guess it was hurting but a&e never.
So what was the lady who had lost the finger nail, and was probably in pain and with a risk of infection, supposed to do. Surely she deserves five minutes attention from a senior nurse to bandage her finger, advise her and to a prescribe a pain killer,
The problem I suspect is that a simple case clogs up the complicated admin/computer systems as much as a major injury would.
With a finger nail, she could have gone to her GP, she could have gone to a chemist and sought advice, she could have bought instead of getting for free a plaster and some antiseptic cream and done it herself, that is not what A and E was set up for but sadly as Alfie says, that is what it is used for.
You are 100% correct there ER, and have hit the nail on the head, not the finger nail I hope.
But you are pointing the finger in the right direction, and have nailed the issue down.
That person should be embarrassed to go to A&E with that.
But sadly a generation of wimps has been created by a nanny state.
I remember once getting a large splinter jammed deep under my finger nail, which was really painful, and after eventually removing it myself carefully with tweezers, and putting some antiseptic cream on it, it was still very painful and would not stop throbbing.
So I remedied it by taking a claw hammer to one of my thumb and bashing my thumb with it. The excruciating pain from my thumb quickly made me forget the pain from my finger nail, and I lived happily ever after.
So if ever that happens to you find a hammer, and any problem is resolved.
Brilliant Woolly I am in a bar in St Pauli tonight and your post has made the whole bar laugh.
Your welcome 👍⚽️🍺🐘
