http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05b0rkl
Key quotes include.
Slavisa Jokanovic tells @BBCLondonSport that he is hearing that #ffc are about to sell Sone Aluko. Says it would be a "big mistake"
Jokanovic: I have not been part of the recruitment this year and so can not comment on anything @BBCLondonSport #FFC #FulhamFC
For what its worth thought Aluko was probably our best player today.
He doesnt seem happy at all
Quote from: @jolslover on July 29, 2017, 06:03:49 PM
Key quotes include.
Slavisa Jokanovic tells @BBCLondonSport that he is hearing that #ffc are about to sell Sone Aluko. Says it would be a "big mistake"
Jokanovic: I have not been part of the recruitment this year and so can not comment on anything @BBCLondonSport #FFC #FulhamFC
For what its worth thought Aluko was probably our best player today.
He was the best by a mile(Aluko)
Getting worried we might lose our manager.
He knows exactly where we need to recruit. CB, LB, and Ross/moussa replacement but he has no input and expects to be given the players as replacements to compete
Sounds like the club are trying to sell Aluko without his consent. Also sounds like he wasnt happy about Malone being allowed to leave.
Quote from: Newry FFC on July 29, 2017, 06:06:50 PM
He knows exactly where we need to recruit. CB, LB, and Ross/moussa replacement but he has no input and expects to be given the players as replacements to compete
Agreed
Interesting no mention of Goalkeeper though . Could be he is happy with Betts with Button as a back up .
Sounds frustrated and left out. A bad mix for an ambitious manager.
This sounds dysfunctional and very worrying
Quote from: Newry FFC on July 29, 2017, 06:06:50 PM
He knows exactly where we need to recruit. CB, LB, and Ross/moussa replacement but he has no input and expects to be given the players as replacements to compete
Agree with Newry, but didn't think he lost it or let rip, he was just frustrated just said what the status was
Yea I think the situation could be better, and Slav obviously wants more control but BBCs spin was to say he's raging and was ranting.
WLS have added in comments about being ignored
http://www.westlondonsport.com/fulham/ignored-jokanovic-warns-club-not-sell-demand-fulham-man/amp
I can see him getting fed up and Leaving.
After last season's performances there was always the danger that good offers would be coming in for our best players and all eyes were on Cairney and Sess. Of course Aluko had a great season and we should have expected that someone would be after him.
Disgraceful to learn that Jocanovic has no say in recruitment, that means we are in the hands of Stats Boy and the money men.
Well this is worrying.
I came in and read all the comments and expected something far worse.
I love Slavisa and the football he produces but I get the feeling he likes a bit of a moan to reporters. I am sure it is a tactic. As is putting 2 keepers on the bench
I think people need to take a little step back. I don't believe that Khan/Kline are actively trying to sell Aluko. That doesn't mean that other clubs can't enquire. Who knows, maybe the player wants to see what the other clubs are saying.
I also just can't believe that a manager as strong as Slavisa has zero involvement in the transfers. If that was the case, I am sure he would have walked.
I'm honestly not saying that everything is perfect but I just don't believe the manger has no input and I don't believe we are looking at off loading our best players.
I honestly think that getting stuffed today and his little moan will be a catalyst for a couple of good players.
If I'm wrong, then I want to know what the strategy is of the management team and I would probably suggest FST put some pressure on.
I think all will be ok
He didnt let rip at all , just said it how it is and the same as what us fans are saying as well.If the club dare sell a player that the manager wants to keep then thats a very dangerous game to play and you cannot blame him for walking.I mean if a mechanic gives away his best spanners then its twice as hard for him to do his job to the best of his ability.Its also worrying that he said he has not been involved in recruitment at all.Khans sort it and sort it quick.
If its as bad as we are all making out surely SJ would have walked by now. I don't believe that any self respecting manager of his standing would put up with having absolutely no say in who leaves and who comes in. if it is the case then he is not the man i thought he was
literally the first words out of his mouth were "i am very happy"
Quote from: SG on July 29, 2017, 06:31:35 PM
If its as bad as we are all making out surely SJ would have walked by now. I don't believe that any self respecting manager of his standing would put up with having absolutely no say in who leaves and who comes in. if it is the case then he is not the man i thought he was
I agree to an extent but thats exactly what he said in the interview.
Quote from: SG on July 29, 2017, 06:31:35 PM
If its as bad as we are all making out surely SJ would have walked by now. I don't believe that any self respecting manager of his standing would put up with having absolutely no say in who leaves and who comes in. if it is the case then he is not the man i thought he was
Exactly my thoughts. Sounded Mourinho'esque
Surely you need a club statement to say yea there's been interest in Aluko but we don't plan on selling, then reclarify recruitment process with everyone involved, everything sorted.
Slavs statement left unanswered questions and it's not as if we are a huge club. People have blown this issue up , mainly BBC, to far more than it is, but in turn , its created more questions than answers. He's put himself in an amazing position if , God forbid, we get to September and we have recruited none or not all of those positions he's stated.
Yes Slav likes a rant to reporters but if it's not clarified by the club that in fact he is involved and everyone is in it together then it could unravel and get messy
Time will tell with Slavisa. Hopefully he wont go and we get the players in. But he is strong minded and will stay or go as he pleases. Worring though!
General consensus has to be that Slav IS involved and this has been said to poke a reaction or action from the club.
But until it's clarified by the club, his words need to be taken as gospel.
Quote from: fcfulham55 on July 29, 2017, 06:21:41 PM
I can see him getting fed up and Leaving.
:plus one:
If he does we are run by clowns. fp.gif
Was sitting in riverside today right behind SJ and the poor body language and lack of communication to the players was very evident. He really looked thoroughly disinterested.
We were thoroughly beat today and it could have been five or six.
We had no answers and apart from Aluko and Cisse there were some very poor performances.
The lack of firepower will finally destroy this teams and its management. If it is true that he has no say over recruitment then he should walk and I wish him well. Regardless of what happens in the transfer window we look like we could have a tricky couple of months ahead .
Quote from: bog on July 29, 2017, 06:50:21 PM
Quote from: fcfulham55 on July 29, 2017, 06:21:41 PM
I can see him getting fed up and Leaving.
:plus one:
If he does we are run by clowns. fp.gif
The lunatics would have taken over the asylum.
I could see this coming a while ago, as other members of this board did, only to be shouted down. Well it isn't going to go away whilst Khan and Kline pull the strings.
If Jok pulls out serve them right. Absolutely criminal, but it was always on the cards whilst there are non footballing amateurs running this club.
"If we want to be better, we need to bring quality people into our squad. At this moment, I don't observe my team as at the highest level, as we were last season.
"My list is completely ignored. In this moment, we decide to follow one way [in which] I didn't find so much sense.
Quotes from west London Sport interview
If we are looking to bring in let's say two strikers, could they not just give Slav half the budget for two strikers and let him bring in his man? I don't necessarily think he would bring in a better player than the scouts/stats side of it but at least he is involved and somewhat accountable. Giving him £5-6 mill even if he wastes it is worth keeping him happy imo
Quote from: howitis on July 29, 2017, 06:52:35 PM
Was sitting in riverside today right behind SJ and the poor body language and lack of communication to the players was very evident. He really looked thoroughly disinterested.
We were thoroughly beat today and it could have been five or six.
We had no answers and apart from Aluko and Cisse there were some very poor performances.
The lack of firepower will finally destroy this teams and its management. If it is true that he has no say over recruitment then he should walk and I wish him well. Regardless of what happens in the transfer window we look like we could have a tricky couple of months ahead .
Exactly we were well beat,yet a poster on another thread thought we were unlucky and could have been 2-1 up....lol
I somewhat think he wasn't at game,if he was he was looking through rose tinted specs.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 29, 2017, 06:59:22 PM
Quote from: howitis on July 29, 2017, 06:52:35 PM
Was sitting in riverside today right behind SJ and the poor body language and lack of communication to the players was very evident. He really looked thoroughly disinterested.
We were thoroughly beat today and it could have been five or six.
We had no answers and apart from Aluko and Cisse there were some very poor performances.
The lack of firepower will finally destroy this teams and its management. If it is true that he has no say over recruitment then he should walk and I wish him well. Regardless of what happens in the transfer window we look like we could have a tricky couple of months ahead .
Exactly we were well beat,yet a poster on another thread thought we were unlucky and could have been 2-1 up....lol
I somewhat think he wasn't at game,if he was he was looking through rose tinted specs.
we did have a few good chances to score though, especially early.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 29, 2017, 06:59:22 PM
Quote from: howitis on July 29, 2017, 06:52:35 PM
Was sitting in riverside today right behind SJ and the poor body language and lack of communication to the players was very evident. He really looked thoroughly disinterested.
We were thoroughly beat today and it could have been five or six.
We had no answers and apart from Aluko and Cisse there were some very poor performances.
The lack of firepower will finally destroy this teams and its management. If it is true that he has no say over recruitment then he should walk and I wish him well. Regardless of what happens in the transfer window we look like we could have a tricky couple of months ahead .
Exactly we were well beat,yet a poster on another thread thought we were unlucky and could have been 2-1 up....lol
I somewhat think he wasn't at game,if he was he was looking through rose tinted specs.
Some people will not accept reality, but will accept mediocrity.
You reap what you sow, and this result and performance tells even the most deluded supporter, that we are not the finished article by some way, and the danger is, that there is no guarantee it will improve under the current regime.
Quote from: fulhamben on July 29, 2017, 07:14:52 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 29, 2017, 06:59:22 PM
Quote from: howitis on July 29, 2017, 06:52:35 PM
Was sitting in riverside today right behind SJ and the poor body language and lack of communication to the players was very evident. He really looked thoroughly disinterested.
We were thoroughly beat today and it could have been five or six.
We had no answers and apart from Aluko and Cisse there were some very poor performances.
The lack of firepower will finally destroy this teams and its management. If it is true that he has no say over recruitment then he should walk and I wish him well. Regardless of what happens in the transfer window we look like we could have a tricky couple of months ahead .
Exactly we were well beat,yet a poster on another thread thought we were unlucky and could have been 2-1 up....lol
I somewhat think he wasn't at game,if he was he was looking through rose tinted specs.
we did have a few good chances to score though, especially early.
Yes...But we didn't score did we....STRIKER WANTED.
Fulham FC have to unwrap the barbed wire round its wallet, and invest in quality players, the sooner the better.
Are people listening to the same interview as me??
Jokanovic seemed calm, collective, dedicated, and pretty much happy??
Not once did he 'let rip', mentioned Aluko which seems to be crossed wires, yet praised Fulham for the work they've already done??
Naturally, says he has no involvement in transfers, but we knew that already, and naturally wants a few more faces in before Norwich.
The whole thing has been completely 'over hyped'
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 29, 2017, 07:18:08 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 29, 2017, 06:59:22 PM
Quote from: howitis on July 29, 2017, 06:52:35 PM
Was sitting in riverside today right behind SJ and the poor body language and lack of communication to the players was very evident. He really looked thoroughly disinterested.
We were thoroughly beat today and it could have been five or six.
We had no answers and apart from Aluko and Cisse there were some very poor performances.
The lack of firepower will finally destroy this teams and its management. If it is true that he has no say over recruitment then he should walk and I wish him well. Regardless of what happens in the transfer window we look like we could have a tricky couple of months ahead .
Exactly we were well beat,yet a poster on another thread thought we were unlucky and could have been 2-1 up....lol
I somewhat think he wasn't at game,if he was he was looking through rose tinted specs.
Some people will not accept reality, but will accept mediocrity.
You reap what you sow, and this result and performance tells even the most deluded supporter, that we are not the finished article by some way, and the danger is, that there is no guarantee it will improve under the current regime.
What were your thoughts on the match?
Slav fired a similar shot across the boards bow last season and it worked to an extent - decent tactic if you ask me.
Hopefully encourages a few to write to SK as they did last time to air their thoughts on keeping Aluko / buying some of SJ's targets.
No need for the usual suspects on here to flap though - channel your concern in a positive manner and support SJ with an email to the board. It really isn't the end of the world. As usual the truth lies between all rosey and Armageddon.
Quote from: Newry FFC on July 29, 2017, 06:56:24 PM
"If we want to be better, we need to bring quality people into our squad. At this moment, I don't observe my team as at the highest level, as we were last season.
"My list is completely ignored. In this moment, we decide to follow one way [in which] I didn't find so much sense.
Quotes from west London Sport interview
That doesn't sound like "no input".
http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/slavisa-jokanovic-full-transcript-everything-13405066.amp
Everything that was said today. From being ignored, to injury updates
Quote from: Count Flapula on July 29, 2017, 07:40:21 PM
Slav fired a similar shot across the boards bow last season and it worked to an extent - decent tactic if you ask me.
Hopefully encourages a few to write to SK as they did last time to air their thoughts on keeping Aluko / buying some of SJ's targets.
No need for the usual suspects on here to flap though - channel your concern in a positive manner and support SJ with an email to the board. It really isn't the end of the world. As usual the truth lies between all rosey and Armageddon.
sorry to disagree, the fact he had to do it meant the players we got were in panic, and the same may happen now... our management is hopeless, it fails the first test, it does not learn from previous errors. TK was clearly economic with his words when he suggested he was ambitious for us to get back to the Prem. because that was clearly a dream rather than anything he was actually going to try and make happen.
still they have sold the season tickets now so job done for them, tey really have a cynical disregard for the supporters.
Quote from: BedsFFC on July 29, 2017, 07:39:56 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 29, 2017, 07:18:08 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on July 29, 2017, 06:59:22 PM
Quote from: howitis on July 29, 2017, 06:52:35 PM
Was sitting in riverside today right behind SJ and the poor body language and lack of communication to the players was very evident. He really looked thoroughly disinterested.
We were thoroughly beat today and it could have been five or six.
We had no answers and apart from Aluko and Cisse there were some very poor performances.
The lack of firepower will finally destroy this teams and its management. If it is true that he has no say over recruitment then he should walk and I wish him well. Regardless of what happens in the transfer window we look like we could have a tricky couple of months ahead .
Exactly we were well beat,yet a poster on another thread thought we were unlucky and could have been 2-1 up....lol
I somewhat think he wasn't at game,if he was he was looking through rose tinted specs.
Some people will not accept reality, but will accept mediocrity.
You reap what you sow, and this result and performance tells even the most deluded supporter, that we are not the finished article by some way, and the danger is, that there is no guarantee it will improve under the current regime.
What were your thoughts on the match?
I have to take into account that we played a decent team that were clearly well organised, and the scoreline probably reflected the play.
Of course we missed certain key players, but that will happen at any time during the season, hence why we need back up.
Betts going off for precautionary reasons exposed Buttons lack of confidence, which is a worry.
Aluko played well, and he has the X Factor, and not enough of our players have that enough of the time. Kallas and Ream were ok, although it looks bad conceding three goals.
But that's my overal worry, we are always likely to concede against any team. On this occasion we did not find the net either. Need to look at Norwood and Cisse again but I reckon they will be good additions.
As you know Sess looks better going forward than defending. I am content with Fredericks at right back.
We could do with a couple more like Johanson, he really is a key player.
Piazon was a dissapointment, Ayite was average overal.
Not enough experience in the team which is a little worrying.
But there is no X Factor at the moment, nobody to turn a game on its head.
The only redeeming factor about this match, is the result and overal feeling about the teams shortcomings may trigger the club to spring into action before it's too late. Because if we lose v Norwich, that's three points we can never get back.
Plenty of work to be done.
For the record I had Radio London on and this is what was reported from the press room. SJ's lack of fluency with English after all this time in the UK does him little favours and the BBC's 'reporter' at the game was third rate although he had done his research on Fulham's activity over the close season.
The Manager did not 'let rip' and spoke in measured tones throughout. He began with positives, saying he was extremely pleased the club had tied Cairney and Sessegnon down to new contracts and that he was very happy to have Piazon and Kalas back in the ranks. He did respond somewhat ambiguously to questions regarding the involvement of others in the recruitment process, but certainly gave the impression he found aspects of it frustrating.
The BBC man pointedly asked if Fulham was being run as a sport's club or a business, though this line was expressed NOT to the gaffer in person but to the listener. When Aluko's name came up SJ clearly showed agitation that rumours swirling around suggesting Aluko was on the verge of a transfer was speculation he seemed unaware of, and that Fulham could certainly not afford to let him go at present.
The interviewer wrapped and handed back to the studio. What clearly happened next was our hapless hack got jumped on by a senior apparatchik from the press office team (I can guess who) and berated that any transfer of Aluko was wide of the mark and NOT in Fulham's plans. Am assuming our reporter got his ears warmed as we went back to him for an 'update' where he said a 'senior member of the back room staff' assures me Aluko is NOT available for transfer'. The BBC man signed off by again suggesting Fulham people behind the scenes (we know who of course) were not giving SJ a free hand on transfers and sticking to a rigid business plan when it comes to new signings.
Aside from all of the above GetWestLondon is invariably the go to source for Fulham matters, and the next week will be revealing as to who holds sway on recruitment. Kline and Co. got it badly wrong last January by tying SJ's hands, as a consequence we missed a golden opportunity to make it back to the Prem. Now we are starting over again among the favourites for promotion. But the owner and his henchman can KILL THE DREAM dead without decisive action in the market over the next month. Oh, and to end on an even cheerier note - I would not blame SJ if he walked. :022:
Quote from: fulhamphil on July 29, 2017, 08:00:14 PM
For the record I had Radio London on and this is what was reported from the press room. SJ's lack of fluency with English after all this time in the UK does him little favours and the BBC's 'reporter' at the game was third rate although he had done his research on Fulham's activity over the close season.
The Manager did not 'let rip' and spoke in measured tones throughout. He began with positives, saying he was extremely pleased the club had tied Cairney and Sessegnon down to new contracts and that he was very happy to have Piazon and Kalas back in the ranks. He did respond somewhat ambiguously to questions regarding the involvement of others in the recruitment process, but certainly gave the impression he found aspects of it frustrating.
The BBC man pointedly asked if Fulham was being run as a sport's club or a business, though this line was expressed NOT to the gaffer in person but to the listener. When Aluko's name came up SJ clearly showed agitation that rumours swirling around suggesting Aluko was on the verge of a transfer was speculation he seemed unaware of, and that Fulham could certainly not afford to let him go at present.
The interviewer wrapped and handed back to the studio. What clearly happened next was our hapless hack got jumped on by a senior apparatchik from the press office team (I can guess who) and berated that any transfer of Aluko was wide of the mark and NOT in Fulham's plans. Am assuming our reporter got his ears warmed as we went back to him for an 'update' where he said a 'senior member of the back room staff' assures me Aluko is NOT available for transfer'. The BBC man signed off by again suggesting Fulham people behind the scenes (we know who of course) were not giving SJ a free hand on transfers and sticking to a rigid business plan when it comes to new signings.
Aside from all of the above GetWestLondon is invariably the go to source for Fulham matters, and the next week will be revealing as to who holds sway on recruitment. Kline and Co. got it badly wrong last January by tying SJ's hands, as a consequence we missed a golden opportunity to make it back to the Prem. Now we are starting over again among the favourites for promotion. But the owner and his henchman can KILL THE DREAM dead without decisive action in the market over the next month. Oh, and to end on an even cheerier note - I would not blame SJ if he walked. :022:
Neither would I, and it appears that they are not all singing from the same hymn sheet, which is the last thing we need to hear again.
Quote from: fulhamphil on July 29, 2017, 08:00:14 PM
For the record I had Radio London on and this is what was reported from the press room. SJ's lack of fluency with English after all this time in the UK does him little favours and the BBC's 'reporter' at the game was third rate although he had done his research on Fulham's activity over the close season.
The Manager did not 'let rip' and spoke in measured tones throughout. He began with positives, saying he was extremely pleased the club had tied Cairney and Sessegnon down to new contracts and that he was very happy to have Piazon and Kalas back in the ranks. He did respond somewhat ambiguously to questions regarding the involvement of others in the recruitment process, but certainly gave the impression he found aspects of it frustrating.
The BBC man pointedly asked if Fulham was being run as a sport's club or a business, though this line was expressed NOT to the gaffer in person but to the listener. When Aluko's name came up SJ clearly showed agitation that rumours swirling around suggesting Aluko was on the verge of a transfer was speculation he seemed unaware of, and that Fulham could certainly not afford to let him go at present.
The interviewer wrapped and handed back to the studio. What clearly happened next was our hapless hack got jumped on by a senior apparatchik from the press office team (I can guess who) and berated that any transfer of Aluko was wide of the mark and NOT in Fulham's plans. Am assuming our reporter got his ears warmed as we went back to him for an 'update' where he said a 'senior member of the back room staff' assures me Aluko is NOT available for transfer'. The BBC man signed off by again suggesting Fulham people behind the scenes (we know who of course) were not giving SJ a free hand on transfers and sticking to a rigid business plan when it comes to new signings.
Aside from all of the above GetWestLondon is invariably the go to source for Fulham matters, and the next week will be revealing as to who holds sway on recruitment. Kline and Co. got it badly wrong last January by tying SJ's hands, as a consequence we missed a golden opportunity to make it back to the Prem. Now we are starting over again among the favourites for promotion. But the owner and his henchman can KILL THE DREAM dead without decisive action in the market over the next month. Oh, and to end on an even cheerier note - I would not blame SJ if he walked. :022:
do behave. we have all heard it now and the manager was clearly keeping calm but seething. i expect him to walk soonish.
not involved in the transfer process is quite disgraceful and we are left with inexperienced TK and theory by kline using the club as a playthng rather than a serious business. the managements incompetence saw us fall from the prem for no good reason, bring in a cripple that year as a stellar signing, three managers.... THEN nearly get relegated into league one twice... fail to make investment last january thus guaranteeing our failure to get promoted and now have weakened a squad that had the potential to finish top two. the manager, and he is the best thing we have, satys he is not involved in transfer policy and does not know who or if we are getting more players.... i would say that our management are hopeless and he was being noce because they pay his wages, but that is effectively what he said, it is what i understood hime to mean again!
64 posts, and you feel that you should support thhe indefensible, i am amazed again that so many infrequent posters only come on to support the management, amazing!
Quote from: nose on July 29, 2017, 07:54:46 PM
Quote from: Count Flapula on July 29, 2017, 07:40:21 PM
Slav fired a similar shot across the boards bow last season and it worked to an extent - decent tactic if you ask me.
Hopefully encourages a few to write to SK as they did last time to air their thoughts on keeping Aluko / buying some of SJ's targets.
No need for the usual suspects on here to flap though - channel your concern in a positive manner and support SJ with an email to the board. It really isn't the end of the world. As usual the truth lies between all rosey and Armageddon.
sorry to disagree, the fact he had to do it meant the players we got were in panic, and the same may happen now... our management is hopeless, it fails the first test, it does not learn from previous errors. TK was clearly economic with his words when he suggested he was ambitious for us to get back to the Prem. because that was clearly a dream rather than anything he was actually going to try and make happen.
still they have sold the season tickets now so job done for them, tey really have a cynical disregard for the supporters.
I suggest you do something productive and write to the board in support of SH rather than waste your energy posting about who our next manager will be.
Quote from: Wearethewhites on July 29, 2017, 07:39:07 PM
Are people listening to the same interview as me??
Jokanovic seemed calm, collective, dedicated, and pretty much happy??
Not once did he 'let rip', mentioned Aluko which seems to be crossed wires, yet praised Fulham for the work they've already done??
Naturally, says he has no involvement in transfers, but we knew that already, and naturally wants a few more faces in before Norwich.
The whole thing has been completely 'over hyped'
Don't tell that to negative posters who never have anything positive to say.
Bloody hell bet they are fun to be around.
Of course Slav would like a few more bodies in, but most clubs will say the same.
I expect a couple more through the door.
Yes it would be nice to of had them beddedinby now, but we go into the Norwichgame with the team that did so well last season minus Malone
Today was a game against tough opposition who would probably best most Championship sides, if not all of them.
Let's see where we are after the window shuts.
Quote from: nose on July 29, 2017, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: fulhamphil on July 29, 2017, 08:00:14 PM
For the record I had Radio London on and this is what was reported from the press room. SJ's lack of fluency with English after all this time in the UK does him little favours and the BBC's 'reporter' at the game was third rate although he had done his research on Fulham's activity over the close season.
The Manager did not 'let rip' and spoke in measured tones throughout. He began with positives, saying he was extremely pleased the club had tied Cairney and Sessegnon down to new contracts and that he was very happy to have Piazon and Kalas back in the ranks. He did respond somewhat ambiguously to questions regarding the involvement of others in the recruitment process, but certainly gave the impression he found aspects of it frustrating.
The BBC man pointedly asked if Fulham was being run as a sport's club or a business, though this line was expressed NOT to the gaffer in person but to the listener. When Aluko's name came up SJ clearly showed agitation that rumours swirling around suggesting Aluko was on the verge of a transfer was speculation he seemed unaware of, and that Fulham could certainly not afford to let him go at present.
The interviewer wrapped and handed back to the studio. What clearly happened next was our hapless hack got jumped on by a senior apparatchik from the press office team (I can guess who) and berated that any transfer of Aluko was wide of the mark and NOT in Fulham's plans. Am assuming our reporter got his ears warmed as we went back to him for an 'update' where he said a 'senior member of the back room staff' assures me Aluko is NOT available for transfer'. The BBC man signed off by again suggesting Fulham people behind the scenes (we know who of course) were not giving SJ a free hand on transfers and sticking to a rigid business plan when it comes to new signings.
Aside from all of the above GetWestLondon is invariably the go to source for Fulham matters, and the next week will be revealing as to who holds sway on recruitment. Kline and Co. got it badly wrong last January by tying SJ's hands, as a consequence we missed a golden opportunity to make it back to the Prem. Now we are starting over again among the favourites for promotion. But the owner and his henchman can KILL THE DREAM dead without decisive action in the market over the next month. Oh, and to end on an even cheerier note - I would not blame SJ if he walked. :022:
do behave. we have all heard it now and the manager was clearly keeping calm but seething.
64 posts, and you feel that you should support thhe indefensible, i am amazed again that so many infrequent posters only come on to support the management, amazing!
Do behave yourself nose and quit insulting posters. Having more posts than someone else does not make your opinion any more valid. Phil posted comments from a credible media outlet. You certainly don't have to agree with the comments but you don't have to be a snobbish post count cop either.
People moaned when Magath was given a free hand to tear the squad apart with no checks in place from management and now people are moaning that there are too many checks in place. The only constant has been the moaning.
BTW if your counting my posts you need to add several thousand for the multiple forum crashes and restarts.
The worrying thing for me is SJ will leave for his perceived lack of ambition by the club.
The team is already bear bones, why would you sell a player with heart and commitment that obviously loves to play for Fulham, and can make a difference?
Stupid management!
I was at the game today and saw things exactly the same as Wooly saw them. A very accurate summary in my view.
Sat just behind the dug-out as I thought I would get a better view of performances across the team over the 90 minutes and also get to se closer up, what Slav and his ream were doing/saying. Quite an eye-opener, to see Slav rolling his eyes at Fred and Marcus when they seemed not to be concentrating.
I'm afraid Lucas looks out of his depth. For me a bit of a luxury player. Never going to take a game by the scruff, easily knocked off the ball and control too slow to give him any space or time to do anything other than lay the ball off, usually 5 yards backwards.. Think he has talent but needs others to boss the game so he can do what he does.
New boy starters, Norwood and Cisse seemed OK and will hopefully benefit from the outing but way short of the much missed Cairney and Mac. Didn't really see enough of Djalo and O'Reilly but sorry to say Cauley still doesn't look up to the task at this level.
As others have said, great that we've retained the whole squad, bar Malone, but he needs replacing with a proper full-back and we're obviously crying out for a striker, who could easily have put us two up early on and breathed some confidence into the team and changed the mood of the game.
Having seen Slav's body language and now read his post-match comments, I'm a bit concerned that he's not getting the backing which we all feel he earned last season. If no decisive action in the market soon, I fear it might all end in tears!
If that's Slav letting rip the tea cups will be ok at the cottage think it's down to his broken English you couldn't tell if he was talking about the Aluko rumor or transfer in general. Says hes happy and motivated
Quote from: BarryP on July 29, 2017, 08:31:42 PM
Quote from: nose on July 29, 2017, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: fulhamphil on July 29, 2017, 08:00:14 PM
For the record I had Radio London on and this is what was reported from the press room. SJ's lack of fluency with English after all this time in the UK does him little favours and the BBC's 'reporter' at the game was third rate although he had done his research on Fulham's activity over the close season.
The Manager did not 'let rip' and spoke in measured tones throughout. He began with positives, saying he was extremely pleased the club had tied Cairney and Sessegnon down to new contracts and that he was very happy to have Piazon and Kalas back in the ranks. He did respond somewhat ambiguously to questions regarding the involvement of others in the recruitment process, but certainly gave the impression he found aspects of it frustrating.
The BBC man pointedly asked if Fulham was being run as a sport's club or a business, though this line was expressed NOT to the gaffer in person but to the listener. When Aluko's name came up SJ clearly showed agitation that rumours swirling around suggesting Aluko was on the verge of a transfer was speculation he seemed unaware of, and that Fulham could certainly not afford to let him go at present.
The interviewer wrapped and handed back to the studio. What clearly happened next was our hapless hack got jumped on by a senior apparatchik from the press office team (I can guess who) and berated that any transfer of Aluko was wide of the mark and NOT in Fulham's plans. Am assuming our reporter got his ears warmed as we went back to him for an 'update' where he said a 'senior member of the back room staff' assures me Aluko is NOT available for transfer'. The BBC man signed off by again suggesting Fulham people behind the scenes (we know who of course) were not giving SJ a free hand on transfers and sticking to a rigid business plan when it comes to new signings.
Aside from all of the above GetWestLondon is invariably the go to source for Fulham matters, and the next week will be revealing as to who holds sway on recruitment. Kline and Co. got it badly wrong last January by tying SJ's hands, as a consequence we missed a golden opportunity to make it back to the Prem. Now we are starting over again among the favourites for promotion. But the owner and his henchman can KILL THE DREAM dead without decisive action in the market over the next month. Oh, and to end on an even cheerier note - I would not blame SJ if he walked. :022:
do behave. we have all heard it now and the manager was clearly keeping calm but seething.
64 posts, and you feel that you should support thhe indefensible, i am amazed again that so many infrequent posters only come on to support the management, amazing!
Do behave yourself nose and quit insulting posters. Having more posts than someone else does not make your opinion any more valid. Phil posted comments from a credible media outlet. You certainly don't have to agree with the comments but you don't have to be a snobbish post count cop either.
People moaned when Magath was given a free hand to tear the squad apart with no checks in place from management and now people are moaning that there are too many checks in place. The only constant has been the moaning.
BTW if your counting my posts you need to add several thousand for the multiple forum crashes and restarts.
with respect I am not having ago at any independent person expressing a view... i am merely observing that most people that speak up, infrequently, do so to complain about authority.
More than once I have had to observe this MB bucks that trend and infrequent posters so very often support the strange behaviour of the management. This runs contrary tousual behaviour.
Just saying, but no offence was intended and if the poster was upset by comments than I am truly sorry. The issue is not I have posted far more than makes any sense and others maybe a few less, that is not my issue.
I think you know I 'discuss in a robust manner' anybody who holds a contrary position to mine. as far as I am concenend I enjoy alternative view points.
Quote from: nose on July 29, 2017, 08:07:33 PM
... fail to make investment last january thus guaranteeing our failure to get promoted...
64 posts, and you feel that you should support thhe indefensible, i am amazed again that so many infrequent posters only come on to support the management, amazing!
I'd like to present to you exhibit A: our record from February onwards:
19 games played: 40 points accrued: 41 goals scored
In short, the best record of any team during this period.
To persist with the claim that our activity (or, more precisely, lack thereof) in the January transfer window made it
impossible for us to be promoted is to argue one's point in an illogical and unreasonable manner.
Not that you care, I presume, but you always seem taken aback (as revealed by your final comment) that others have so little regard for your debating skills. This is why.
Quote from: Arthur on July 29, 2017, 09:34:42 PM
Quote from: nose on July 29, 2017, 08:07:33 PM
... fail to make investment last january thus guaranteeing our failure to get promoted...
64 posts, and you feel that you should support thhe indefensible, i am amazed again that so many infrequent posters only come on to support the management, amazing!
I'd like to present to you exhibit A: our record from February onwards:
19 games played: 40 points accrued: 41 goals scored
In short, the best record of any team during this period.
To persist with the claim that our activity (or, more precisely, lack thereof) in the January transfer window made it impossible for us to be promoted is to argue one's point in an illogical and unreasonable manner.
Not that you care, I presume, but you always seem taken aback (as revealed by your final comment) that others have so little regard for your debating skills. This is why.
you can't but help think what if when it comes to the January window though. A decent striker might well of made the difference in the play offs
Quote from: fulhamben on July 29, 2017, 09:40:30 PM
you can't but help think what if when it comes to the January window though. A decent striker might well of made the difference in the play offs
He might well have.
Quote from: fulhamben on July 29, 2017, 09:40:30 PM
Quote from: Arthur on July 29, 2017, 09:34:42 PM
Quote from: nose on July 29, 2017, 08:07:33 PM
... fail to make investment last january thus guaranteeing our failure to get promoted...
64 posts, and you feel that you should support thhe indefensible, i am amazed again that so many infrequent posters only come on to support the management, amazing!
I'd like to present to you exhibit A: our record from February onwards:
19 games played: 40 points accrued: 41 goals scored
In short, the best record of any team during this period.
To persist with the claim that our activity (or, more precisely, lack thereof) in the January transfer window made it impossible for us to be promoted is to argue one's point in an illogical and unreasonable manner.
Not that you care, I presume, but you always seem taken aback (as revealed by your final comment) that others have so little regard for your debating skills. This is why.
you can't but help think what if when it comes to the January window though. A decent striker might well of made the difference in the play offs
Considering how defensive Reading played, I doubt it. We only really had the late Martin chance and Cairney's Free-Kick in the 2nd Leg. It would be one thing if we'd missed a boat load of chances.
When Slav took the job it was as head coach not manager. He knows the position and so do we. We might prefer Slav to have the traditional title as we understand what that stands for. I don't think we did badly today and was still in the game until quite late. Yes we looked rusty anal over the place after the substitutions but there is a fine line to tread in giving players game time and integrating new players as well as winning a game. The proof will be next Saturday
I don't know what the new season will bring yet but I do know nothing stays the same, especially in football- there is no status quo In business. Quoting previous performance and potential is the last cry of companies that had dominant positions and dimissed competition getting their act together - Bodyshop, Littlewoods pools,Nokia are just a few that spring to mind.
Companies that rest on their laurels expecting its success to continue as if by right and view its competitors as inferior and be happy with their allotted share often get a very nasty shock. Complacency in my experience starts in the boardroom and infects everyone, A board needs to be astute and grounded when sifting the good ideas and stratagem from the chaff.
I have personally experienced a number of strong businesses that have jumped on what they thought would be a gravy train of quick profits only to see it all disappear in their hands through poor decision making by senior management.
I hope and expect the Khans being successful businessman know this and have wisdom to steer us through rough seas to calmer waters, ideally to the promised land.
At this moment I feel supporters, even for the most positive( I include myself in this group), the jury is out awaiting a chunk of good news(snippets are not enough at this point) and for any threatening dark clouds to be quickly dispersed and for everyone at the club to not only be on same page but seen and reported to be on same page
As long as Fulham is in this division, playing as well as they do and scoring goals there will always be other teams after our best players. It was only weeks ago we were going to lose TC and Sess but it didn't happen. Clearly the boss is concerned but wouldn't you be at your job if you got the rug pulled from under you when days away from a big event. (Norwich game).
Quote from: Arthur on July 29, 2017, 09:34:42 PM
Quote from: nose on July 29, 2017, 08:07:33 PM
... fail to make investment last january thus guaranteeing our failure to get promoted...
64 posts, and you feel that you should support thhe indefensible, i am amazed again that so many infrequent posters only come on to support the management, amazing!
I'd like to present to you exhibit A: our record from February onwards:
19 games played: 40 points accrued: 41 goals scored
In short, the best record of any team during this period.
To persist with the claim that our activity (or, more precisely, lack thereof) in the January transfer window made it impossible for us to be promoted is to argue one's point in an illogical and unreasonable manner.
Not that you care, I presume, but you always seem taken aback (as revealed by your final comment) that others have so little regard for your debating skills. This is why.
I think you may not fully have read what I have sometimes said about the curious pattern of posting on the MB. people that speak out infequently tend to be those that protest the descisions or actions of the ruling classes. people are vocal when things are wrong. I have said many times I am a very good statitician, my job requires it and I can spot unusal patterns quickly. I have to leave it there regarding the issue of numbers of posts.
secondly we played extremely well in the second half of last season but were also mighty lucky with injuries and suspensions.
Hpwever, i think most people would agree that what did for us in the end was lack of depth of squad. i am not prepared to go over the january fiasco but i can say for sure that what happened in the end was inevitable. sad but inevitable. our performance away at sheff wed's second team showed we were tired and jaded, we had been brilliant, but we needed just a few reinforcements in january, but the management decided not to invest.
Ok that was done...but as we came to summer it was obvious that with where we left it last season, we were in such a good place that a bit, not even that much investment, done quickly, would make us in pole position for this season.... and now we havenot done that, we have wasted time and again have twice now heard from our manager in recent days clearly not happy! that is abad thing to hear twce so close to the KO.
now the owner and his son have said they are ambitious. well their actions do not reflect the fine words. I would be a lot happier if they said they were less ambitious and happy for us to stabilise in this division for a few seasons and not be that fussed about the prem. but when they speak about ambition I get very optimistic and excited. but to say they are ambitious and not follow through effectively shooting the manager in the foot, does not make sense to me.
it isn't what we did from february, it is what we should have done since May
I am glad you are content.
Quote from: Andy S on July 29, 2017, 10:18:40 PM
When Slav took the job it was as head coach not manager. He knows the position and so do we. We might prefer Slav to have the traditional title as we understand what that stands for. I don't think we did badly today and was still in the game until quite late. Yes we looked rusty anal over the place after the substitutions but there is a fine line to tread in giving players game time and integrating new players as well as winning a game. The proof will be next Saturday
Reading all these comments about any self respecting, decent manager storming out of the club etc, I could help but think of your first line. We have a head coach, not a manager.
The head coach should be frustrated that he's not got the talent in positions that he feels he needs it, but he's never been in the position of talent identification and recruitment whilst at Fulham.
If I was Slavisa, I would be frustrated with the constant questions regarding matters out of his control.
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Quote from: aussierod on July 29, 2017, 11:14:47 PM
Quote from: Andy S on July 29, 2017, 10:18:40 PM
When Slav took the job it was as head coach not manager. He knows the position and so do we. We might prefer Slav to have the traditional title as we understand what that stands for. I don't think we did badly today and was still in the game until quite late. Yes we looked rusty anal over the place after the substitutions but there is a fine line to tread in giving players game time and integrating new players as well as winning a game. The proof will be next Saturday
Reading all these comments about any self respecting, decent manager storming out of the club etc, I could help but think of your first line. We have a head coach, not a manager.
The head coach should be frustrated that he's not got the talent in positions that he feels he needs it, but he's never been in the position of talent identification and recruitment whilst at Fulham.
If I was Slavisa, I would be frustrated with the constant questions regarding matters out of his control.
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is that it? Am I to understand that a head coach has no/minimal input into the squad recurietment.
I am asking a serious question. I had understod that both the manager and the stats had to be in alignment regarding transfer policy. whilst it is not posible to know every player all over the wworld/europe/Uk as amanager/head coach, if you were in charge of the first team, surely you would want a major say in recurietment.
I was also stunned from the report from the FST that we buy players with a view to increasing value, they didn't say we buy players to get us promoted.
I seriously think that we could be minus a head coach sooner than later.
Can some one now explain to us fans who is actually running this team and club.
It is not the Chairman , he is hands off in the States and it would seem it is not the Head Coach who has stated he has no say in transfers.
Is it Stats Boy.
We really have never , ever seen a situation like this before. The chairman should get involved and issue a clear statement without delay.
Quote from: nose on July 29, 2017, 11:30:03 PM
Quote from: aussierod on July 29, 2017, 11:14:47 PM
Quote from: Andy S on July 29, 2017, 10:18:40 PM
When Slav took the job it was as head coach not manager. He knows the position and so do we. We might prefer Slav to have the traditional title as we understand what that stands for. I don't think we did badly today and was still in the game until quite late. Yes we looked rusty anal over the place after the substitutions but there is a fine line to tread in giving players game time and integrating new players as well as winning a game. The proof will be next Saturday
Reading all these comments about any self respecting, decent manager storming out of the club etc, I could help but think of your first line. We have a head coach, not a manager.
The head coach should be frustrated that he's not got the talent in positions that he feels he needs it, but he's never been in the position of talent identification and recruitment whilst at Fulham.
If I was Slavisa, I would be frustrated with the constant questions regarding matters out of his control.
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is that it? Am I to understand that a head coach has no/minimal input into the squad recurietment.
I am asking a serious question. I had understod that both the manager and the stats had to be in alignment regarding transfer policy. whilst it is not posible to know every player all over the wworld/europe/Uk as amanager/head coach, if you were in charge of the first team, surely you would want a major say in recurietment.
I was also stunned from the report from the FST that we buy players with a view to increasing value, they didn't say we buy players to get us promoted.
I seriously think that we could be minus a head coach sooner than later.
My view is that the head coach dictates the style of play his team wants to play and assesses the positions which need improving. He gives some requirements for the positions he wishes to improve, e.g. he may say to Tony Khan and team: "I want to play with pace, with positive forward movement, with passing and interchanging between my forward players, please find me some players who can play up front which meet my requirements". Tony and team therefore have statistics which look at pace, pass completion, runs into channels or off the last man's shoulder, as well as having a good strike rate with respect to shots taken, shots on target. A list is quickly drawn up by statistical analysis, weighting the different leagues on competitiveness, highlighting the hundred players which meet this requirement. Filtering further, a quarter of these may have only 1 yr left on their contract so we should identify these first as clubs are more likely to sell these players and they are cheaper. Our scouts look through these 25 players to see how they play, do they fit Slavisa's brief, do they fit our club brand and team ethos. We prioritise and then begin the process of working through the recruitment process with the club, the agent, the player and hope that everybody is in agreement with our valuation, else we move onto the next on the list, and so on.
Personally I believe that Slavisa should be focusing on the team, not scouring the globe for players who fit his brief, as at our level there could be hundreds of players across the dozens of leagues which are capable of playing his style. Slavisa possibly does not know every league in detail, nor every club, nor every player, their contract situation etc etc in full detail to find the best player for his requirements. He possibly gets loads of agents telling him of a player he should sign and he could be convinced without doing his due diligence, or may be swayed by personal bias, all of which we've been burnt by before, e.g. jol, Sanchez, magath, Symons etc
Anyway, this is purely my take on it, the club is trying to take the huge workload of player identification and recruitment out of Slavisa's hands so that he can focus solely on improving the team at hand
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We are just Tony Khan's play thing. Surely you can all see that? We were bought for the son who already has every other toy
I remember being dismissed after I said 'because Joka's position is 'Head Coach' and not 'Manager' maybe he doesnt have control over the transfers out', now it seems it could be true although I hope this isnt the case
But how much control did Jol have about selling his best players - when Dempsey and Dembele were sold from under him.
People say about the players seeing out their careers brought in under him, but how much money was there to spend?
Haven't read responses so I can give honest first opinion -
I feel he was definitely have a moan. No questions asked. Or there wouldn't have even been an interview.
He is more tactful in how he approaches it compared to last year I.e. Very happy with contract extensions, miserable we are missing a LB and striker, but I've got confidence in the recruitment team and I'm sure they'll find me a replacement.
Nonetheless its still speaking out...
True . He's actually spoke out in the defence of the recruitment team. He doesn't agree with the approach, but he's confident they can deliver him the right players and he specified which positions.
In a defined role of head coach , I think that's his limit. Specifying the position and type of player, which I'm assuming stats boi and co will incorporate into their fact finding missions.
But I'm pretty sure one of the next questions at the FST needs to be, why does such a small club continually have its dirty linen washed in public? They are professionals and need to work as such. I'm not saying stop Joka being ranty, but also stop the current relationship from making him feel like he needs to rant to get his point across. Motspur is a big enough place to have a rant without involving the BBC
Having read all the articles & posts on the subject I do not regard SJ´s comments a rip snorting lambast as the Journos make out.
So much of what SJ says is due to his comparative poor English. He just doesn´t have the vocabulary to get over exactly what he wants to say.
Quote from: nose on July 29, 2017, 11:30:03 PM
Quote from: aussierod on July 29, 2017, 11:14:47 PM
Quote from: Andy S on July 29, 2017, 10:18:40 PM
When Slav took the job it was as head coach not manager. He knows the position and so do we. We might prefer Slav to have the traditional title as we understand what that stands for. I don't think we did badly today and was still in the game until quite late. Yes we looked rusty anal over the place after the substitutions but there is a fine line to tread in giving players game time and integrating new players as well as winning a game. The proof will be next Saturday
Reading all these comments about any self respecting, decent manager storming out of the club etc, I could help but think of your first line. We have a head coach, not a manager.
The head coach should be frustrated that he's not got the talent in positions that he feels he needs it, but he's never been in the position of talent identification and recruitment whilst at Fulham.
If I was Slavisa, I would be frustrated with the constant questions regarding matters out of his control.
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is that it? Am I to understand that a head coach has no/minimal input into the squad recurietment.
I am asking a serious question. I had understod that both the manager and the stats had to be in alignment regarding transfer policy. whilst it is not posible to know every player all over the wworld/europe/Uk as amanager/head coach, if you were in charge of the first team, surely you would want a major say in recurietment.
I was also stunned from the report from the FST that we buy players with a view to increasing value, they didn't say we buy players to get us promoted.
I seriously think that we could be minus a head coach sooner than later.
You been saying it a long time. You will be proved correct at some point
Quote from: BedsFFC on July 30, 2017, 11:38:15 AM
Quote from: nose on July 29, 2017, 11:30:03 PM
Quote from: aussierod on July 29, 2017, 11:14:47 PM
Quote from: Andy S on July 29, 2017, 10:18:40 PM
When Slav took the job it was as head coach not manager. He knows the position and so do we. We might prefer Slav to have the traditional title as we understand what that stands for. I don't think we did badly today and was still in the game until quite late. Yes we looked rusty anal over the place after the substitutions but there is a fine line to tread in giving players game time and integrating new players as well as winning a game. The proof will be next Saturday
Reading all these comments about any self respecting, decent manager storming out of the club etc, I could help but think of your first line. We have a head coach, not a manager.
The head coach should be frustrated that he's not got the talent in positions that he feels he needs it, but he's never been in the position of talent identification and recruitment whilst at Fulham.
If I was Slavisa, I would be frustrated with the constant questions regarding matters out of his control.
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is that it? Am I to understand that a head coach has no/minimal input into the squad recurietment.
I am asking a serious question. I had understod that both the manager and the stats had to be in alignment regarding transfer policy. whilst it is not posible to know every player all over the wworld/europe/Uk as amanager/head coach, if you were in charge of the first team, surely you would want a major say in recurietment.
I was also stunned from the report from the FST that we buy players with a view to increasing value, they didn't say we buy players to get us promoted.
I seriously think that we could be minus a head coach sooner than later.
You been saying it a long time. You will be proved correct at some point
well it is true, nowadays no manager or player ever seems to last that long, so yes I am bound to be proved correct. actually in joca's case I have realy only said it after he is clearly not being supported properly. The issue is why a manager goes. If it is for a better life or bigger team, well we are used to that... if it is because he feels isolated and unloved by the management, that is quite a different thing.
three times now joca has spoken out. clearly since the first incident he has been advised or decided to use measured more terms. But there is no doubt we have IMO the best manager in the division, a few decent signings, not even that excesive spending that some seem to go in for, woiuld see us walk the division. But to be no better and possibly less well equipped at the start of this season is unbeliveable. That is why i actually think the clock is genuinely ticking.
