Shocking footage of the assault on the bridge but not surprising given the arrogance of the jiggers & cyclists on there. Lock him up.
Just saw the video. I say throw the jogger under a bus.
Just seen it absolutely disgusting. No lawyer but got to be close to attempted murder.
Cameras will track the Barsteward down.
Joggers are habitual. That will be his normal jogging route, maybe not now that the video has been published though.
TFull credit to the driver for avoiding her. 065.gif
Extraordinary - hope it's published far and wide so that he's recognised and caught.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on August 08, 2017, 07:44:35 PM
Cameras will track the Barsteward down.
May be, may be not. Incident happened in May. Police have only released footage now because they have "exhausted leads".
Looks suspiciously like Chris Martin. Probably running for the bus back to Derby.
Quote from: peaty on August 09, 2017, 12:03:58 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on August 08, 2017, 07:44:35 PM
Cameras will track the Barsteward down.
May be, may be not. Incident happened in May. Police have only released footage now because they have "exhausted leads".
That's a shame. Really hope someone identifies the man he gets his just rewards.
Even made the news here in Oz. Sickening.
Even had the hide to run back across the bridge past the same woman.
any footage ?
Quote from: peaty on August 09, 2017, 12:03:58 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on August 08, 2017, 07:44:35 PM
Cameras will track the Barsteward down.
May be, may be not. Incident happened in May. Police have only released footage now because they have "exhausted leads".
Didn't know it was in May.
Somebody will I believe in time recognize his face.
Quote from: rogerpinvirginia on August 09, 2017, 02:58:11 AM
any footage ?
Notice how he changes direction towards the woman
https://www.google.com/amp/www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/shocking-attack-by-runner-on-london-pavement-cannot-be-blamed-on-jogger-rage-a3606906.html%3famp
This is shocking. She was not in his way or provoking him in any manner. If the police haven't been able to apprehend him, plainly he's no longer jogging that route but surely someone will recognise him from the footage now that it's been released. What an arrogant man.
Yes looked deliberate to me. Hats off to the driver for avoiding the woman. Hope they catch him but as this was in May the footage must only have been released as a last resort.
He'll get caught for sure with the video now out. I hope he gets a severe prison sentence . Arrogance at its peak.you have to ask why she wasn't in his way.
As someone who walks across Putney Bridge every morning the amount of joggers is incredible. After watching this video I will be keeping an eye out for this gentleman and it'll prompt a two footed slide tackle.
Nasty bast**d he is lucky not to be facing a murder charge when caught. He can jog around the prison yard
Quote from: love4ffc on August 08, 2017, 08:06:00 PM
Full credit to the driver for avoiding her. 065.gif
Danny boi was driving
Even if caught, it would be so difficult to prove without him admitting intent. That said, he doesn't appear to slow down or look back after he whacks into her. Any decent lawyer prompting him and he would end up saying ' sorry, I wasn't concentrating, put my arms out when saw her at the last minute to stop running into her, I never thought I had knocked her over, so much on my mind, my wife has left me, blah blah'...
Even though he's clearly an arrogant dick, sadly, I doubt he would ever be convicted of anything that would send him to jail.
shocking and disgusting
According to a news portal, the jogger would running back the same way a short while later. The woman who had previously been pushed then tried to stop him without success.
Quote from: stevehawkinslidingtackle on August 09, 2017, 10:14:04 AM
Even if caught, it would be so difficult to prove without him admitting intent. That said, he doesn't appear to slow down or look back after he whacks into her. Any decent lawyer prompting him and he would end up saying ' sorry, I wasn't concentrating, put my arms out when saw her at the last minute to stop running into her, I never thought I had knocked her over, so much on my mind, my wife has left me, blah blah'...
Even though he's clearly an arrogant dick, sadly, I doubt he would ever be convicted of anything that would send him to jail.
Are you joking. Video evidence is clear cut. Even OJs lawyers couldn't get him off.
Just been pointed out on another forum, if you watch closely she tries to trip him up as approaches her so not so clear cut as people might think, watch for her right leg coming up.
Quote from: G_Gribby on August 09, 2017, 10:45:57 AM
According to a news portal, the jogger would running back the same way a short while later. The woman who had previously been pushed then tried to stop him without success.
See the post above and you can see why he had no problem coming back, another trial by social media
Quote from: epsomraver on August 09, 2017, 12:48:58 PM
Just been pointed out on another forum, if you watch closely she tries to trip him up as approaches her so not so clear cut as people might think, watch for her right leg coming up.
Contact is made before her leg comes out - when you slow it down, she is falling away when her leg comes out.
Quote from: rweller86 on August 09, 2017, 12:58:23 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on August 09, 2017, 12:48:58 PM
Just been pointed out on another forum, if you watch closely she tries to trip him up as approaches her so not so clear cut as people might think, watch for her right leg coming up.
Contact is made before her leg comes out - when you slow it down, she is falling away when her leg comes out.
Also he seems to move towards here slightly. If you follow him level with the shadow he seems to slightly move to his right towards here. Also if she had gone to trip him, why did he not stop at all? If he was to be the victim of something why not confront her?
Set of railings parallel to the road wouldn't go amiss. Wonder if the bridge connects two boroughs and that's why they aren't in place already.
Walking along that bridge to the game I've often thought how easy it would be for a little one to take a wrong step....
Quote from: MJG on August 09, 2017, 01:02:56 PM
Quote from: rweller86 on August 09, 2017, 12:58:23 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on August 09, 2017, 12:48:58 PM
Just been pointed out on another forum, if you watch closely she tries to trip him up as approaches her so not so clear cut as people might think, watch for her right leg coming up.
Contact is made before her leg comes out - when you slow it down, she is falling away when her leg comes out.
Also he seems to move towards here slightly. If you follow him level with the shadow he seems to slightly move to his right towards here. Also if she had gone to trip him, why did he not stop at all? If he was to be the victim of something why not confront her?
Can be interpreted either way, just strange that he came back the same way 15 minutes later, if you or I had done something like shove her for no good reason don't think we would come back the same way, I am not making any judgement on this, video is not that great , the bus has video so perhaps that is clearer? just pointing out that possibly an attempted trip was made and that would explain it, why else would you shove a person over like that?
Quote from: Carborundum on August 09, 2017, 01:09:30 PM
Set of railings parallel to the road wouldn't go amiss. Wonder if the bridge connects two boroughs and that's why they aren't in place already.
Walking along that bridge to the game I've often thought how easy it would be for a little one to take a wrong step....
That applies to thousands of miles of pavements , you cannot fence the whole lot in
Quote from: epsomraver on August 09, 2017, 01:14:25 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 09, 2017, 01:02:56 PM
Quote from: rweller86 on August 09, 2017, 12:58:23 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on August 09, 2017, 12:48:58 PM
Just been pointed out on another forum, if you watch closely she tries to trip him up as approaches her so not so clear cut as people might think, watch for her right leg coming up.
Contact is made before her leg comes out - when you slow it down, she is falling away when her leg comes out.
Also he seems to move towards here slightly. If you follow him level with the shadow he seems to slightly move to his right towards here. Also if she had gone to trip him, why did he not stop at all? If he was to be the victim of something why not confront her?
Can be interpreted either way, just strange that he came back the same way 15 minutes later, if you or I had done something like shove her for no good reason don't think we would come back the same way, I am not making any judgement on this, video is not that great , the bus has video so perhaps that is clearer? just pointing out that possibly an attempted trip was made and that would explain it, why else would you shove a person over like that?
Why would you go to trip someone? Must admit I slowed video down after reading your post. her leg does go out but it seems to be after he touches her.
Whole thing is very odd no matter what way you look at it.
many joggers are very regimented in their routines. I suspect any time since then he has run over that bridge at the same time give or take a few minutes difference.
From today....hes running over Hammersmith Bridge.
Quote from: Carborundum on August 09, 2017, 01:09:30 PM
Set of railings parallel to the road wouldn't go amiss. Wonder if the bridge connects two boroughs and that's why they aren't in place already.
Walking along that bridge to the game I've often thought how easy it would be for a little one to take a wrong step....
My thoughts exactly. All such bridges should have railings, not only for this kind of thing (falling rather than deliberately pushing) but also it might inhibit the kind of thing we saw on Westminster Bridge not too long ago.
I have not seen the video, but......
Can I put another slant on it. We're the two of them known to each other before the alleged incident. But are no longer good friends, a romantic tiff maybe, that has turned hostile.
Therefore, on that basis maybe one knew the other would be in a certain place at a certain time, and there was confrontation.
I admit it's unlikely view of the situation, nevertheless, you never know, funnier things have happened.
But it's another angle, and a different view.
You cannot rule out anything in the absence of any facts.
Unless of course there is a huge age difference that makes this theory unlikely.
Quote from: epsomraver on August 09, 2017, 01:16:29 PM
Quote from: Carborundum on August 09, 2017, 01:09:30 PM
Set of railings parallel to the road wouldn't go amiss. Wonder if the bridge connects two boroughs and that's why they aren't in place already.
Walking along that bridge to the game I've often thought how easy it would be for a little one to take a wrong step....
That applies to thousands of miles of pavements , you cannot fence the whole lot in
Aside from or in addition to this incident, after what has happened this year on Westminster Bridge and London Bridge railings on ALL Thames bridges in London should be a priority.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 09, 2017, 01:33:24 PM
I have not seen the video, but......
Can I put another slant on it. We're the two of them known to each other before the alleged incident. But are no longer good friends, a romantic tiff maybe, that has turned hostile.
Therefore, on that basis maybe one knew the other would be in a certain place at a certain time, and there was confrontation.
I admit it's unlikely view of the situation, nevertheless, you never know, funnier things have happened.
But it's another angle, and a different view.
You cannot rule out anything in the absence of any facts.
Unless of course there is a huge age difference that makes this theory unlikely.
id imagine that if he were known to her then we wouldn't have ever seen the video. No need to appeal to find someone if you alr Andy know who he is
Quote from: epsomraver on August 09, 2017, 01:14:25 PM
...just strange that he came back the same way 15 minutes later, if you or I had done something like shove her for no good reason don't think we would come back the same way...
If you live on the Putney side of the bridge and you cross it to the Fulham side, it's a long way round to get home again if you don't come back the same way.
Quote from: Arthur on August 09, 2017, 02:19:51 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on August 09, 2017, 01:14:25 PM
...just strange that he came back the same way 15 minutes later, if you or I had done something like shove her for no good reason don't think we would come back the same way...
If you live on the Putney side of the bridge and you cross it to the Fulham side, it's a long way round to get home again if you don't come back the same way.
He could have crossed on the Rail Bridge.I think he knew he bumped into someone but didn't realise exactly what transpired afterwards.Obviously should have apologised at the time.Maybe someone on holiday ?
Couldn't it have been an accident? Not been looking and bumped into her? Admittedly any normal person would've apologised and checked she as okay... I think he just ignored her?
Quote from: Milo on August 09, 2017, 05:10:37 PM
Couldn't it have been an accident? Not been looking and bumped into her? Admittedly any normal person would've apologised and checked she as okay... I think he just ignored her?
He changed course as he got to her - looked dodgy.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 09, 2017, 01:33:24 PM
I have not seen the video, but......
Can I put another slant on it. We're the two of them known to each other before the alleged incident. But are no longer good friends, a romantic tiff maybe, that has turned hostile.
Therefore, on that basis maybe one knew the other would be in a certain place at a certain time, and there was confrontation.
I admit it's unlikely view of the situation, nevertheless, you never know, funnier things have happened.
But it's another angle, and a different view.
You cannot rule out anything in the absence of any facts.
Unless of course there is a huge age difference that makes this theory unlikely.
Your just an old Romantic at heart Woolly...lol
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on August 09, 2017, 05:22:00 PM
Quote from: Milo on August 09, 2017, 05:10:37 PM
Couldn't it have been an accident? Not been looking and bumped into her? Admittedly any normal person would've apologised and checked she as okay... I think he just ignored her?
He changed course as he got to her - looked dodgy.
To my eye, he shoved her - something for which he should get his comeuppance, out of court - in a very dangerous direction, simply for having the temerity to be in his way. Hope the courts don't waste their time but that he gets identified and that she has a father, big brothers, uncles or cousins to tend to him. Boys just shouldn't push/hit girls.
I have now seen the footage for myself, and in my opinion he deliberately moved towards her direction and pushed her. A heinous act is the very least I can label it.
The fact that he did not go to her aid, shows to me that he is also callus as well as guilty.
I would hope somebody would recognise his features, and present him to the authority's.
Also we can all narrow it down to the fact that he is a jogger in his 30s I would imagine.
Probably lives on the Fulham side of the river.
The question is, has he seen his photo in the morning journals, will he continue to use the same route. Does somebody else like a friend or relative know who he is.
After all as has been already documented, the lady is somebody's mother and/or wife or sister or daughter etc, and not only did she come close to being fately injured, but also how about the mental scars the lady has sustained, which will never be erased from her memory.
Let us hope he is identified and brought to justice.
They must know each other surely. We haven't got the full story here...
Someone's been arrested. They may have found him.
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on August 10, 2017, 01:55:18 PM
Someone's been arrested. They may have found him.
41 years old. Chelsea address.
Police hunting a jogger who appeared to push a woman into the path of a bus on Putney Bridge have arrested a man.
The Met Police said the 41-year-old was detained at an address in Chelsea on Thursday morning on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm.
Hope this dork gets slated for this dispicable act.
Been released now
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40889511
Quote from: Arthur on August 09, 2017, 02:19:51 PM
Quote from: epsomraver on August 09, 2017, 01:14:25 PM
...just strange that he came back the same way 15 minutes later, if you or I had done something like shove her for no good reason don't think we would come back the same way...
If you live on the Putney side of the bridge and you cross it to the Fulham side, it's a long way round to get home again if you don't come back the same way.
Can you no longer walk over the railway bridge as an alternative route.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/08/10/man-arrested-after-jogger-shoved-woman-into-path-of-oncoming-bus-in-london/?utm_term=.8fa9a4e00a5d
The more I look at this the worse it appears. I hope he gets a custodial sentence.
Just seen the vid, and I don't think he purposely knocked the woman out of the way, and didn't realise he'd hit her and she'd fallen. But there is an element of not wanting to diverge from his course to avoid the woman walking towards him, who also didn't get out of his way - and why should she?
He actually seems to just clip her shoulder, but she lost balance and fell. I think he might not have even seen her- he was looking straight ahead and concentrating like you do when you're running, or thinking of something else, in his own little world.
The fact that he just carries on at the same pace indicates to me that he didn't intend to knock her out the way, and didn't realise what he'd done, but he obviously should gave been more aware.
Quote from: RaySmith on August 11, 2017, 04:15:23 PM
Just seen the vid, and I don't think he purposely knocked the woman out of the way, and didn't realise he'd hit her and she'd fallen. But there is an element of not wanting to diverge from his course to avoid the woman walking towards him, who also didn't get out of his way - and why should she?
He actually seems to just clip her shoulder, but she lost balance and fell. I think he might not have even seen her- he was looking straight ahead and concentrating like you do when your running, or thinking of something else, in his own little world.
The fact that he just carries on at the same pace indicates to me that he didn't intend to knock her out the way, and didn't realise what he'd done, but he obviously should gave been more aware.
Hmmmmmmm:
1. If you watch the slower replay he clearly veers towards her (she was not in his way), and his body turns sideways as the shove is made. Pretty sure you can see a raised arm.
2. It is inconceivable that he did not realise that contact had been made.
Sorry to disagree...
Quote from: Burt on August 11, 2017, 04:29:22 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 11, 2017, 04:15:23 PM
Just seen the vid, and I don't think he purposely knocked the woman out of the way, and didn't realise he'd hit her and she'd fallen. But there is an element of not wanting to diverge from his course to avoid the woman walking towards him, who also didn't get out of his way - and why should she?
He actually seems to just clip her shoulder, but she lost balance and fell. I think he might not have even seen her- he was looking straight ahead and concentrating like you do when your running, or thinking of something else, in his own little world.
The fact that he just carries on at the same pace indicates to me that he didn't intend to knock her out the way, and didn't realise what he'd done, but he obviously should gave been more aware.
Hmmmmmmm:
1. If you watch the slower replay he clearly veers towards her (she was not in his way), and his body turns sideways as the shove is made. Pretty sure you can see a raised arm.
2. It is inconceivable that he did not realise that contact had been made.
Sorry to disagree...
Exactly. It appears entirely intentional.
Quote from: Burt on August 11, 2017, 04:29:22 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on August 11, 2017, 04:15:23 PM
Just seen the vid, and I don't think he purposely knocked the woman out of the way, and didn't realise he'd hit her and she'd fallen. But there is an element of not wanting to diverge from his course to avoid the woman walking towards him, who also didn't get out of his way - and why should she?
He actually seems to just clip her shoulder, but she lost balance and fell. I think he might not have even seen her- he was looking straight ahead and concentrating like you do when your running, or thinking of something else, in his own little world.
The fact that he just carries on at the same pace indicates to me that he didn't intend to knock her out the way, and didn't realise what he'd done, but he obviously should gave been more aware.
Hmmmmmmm:
1. If you watch the slower replay he clearly veers towards her (she was not in his way), and his body turns sideways as the shove is made. Pretty sure you can see a raised arm.
2. It is inconceivable that he did not realise that contact had been made.
Sorry to disagree...
This is exactly right. You can't clip someone's shoulder and they go flying into the road from where she was.
Quote from: RaySmith on August 11, 2017, 04:15:23 PM
Just seen the vid, and I don't think he purposely knocked the woman out of the way, and didn't realise he'd hit her and she'd fallen. But there is an element of not wanting to diverge from his course to avoid the woman walking towards him, who also didn't get out of his way - and why should she?
He actually seems to just clip her shoulder, but she lost balance and fell. I think he might not have even seen her- he was looking straight ahead and concentrating like you do when you're running, or thinking of something else, in his own little world.
The fact that he just carries on at the same pace indicates to me that he didn't intend to knock her out the way, and didn't realise what he'd done, but he obviously should gave been more aware.
So perhaps the charge will be jogging without due care and attention.
Whoever he is, and in my view he clearly changed direction to run into her and push her deliberately and intentionally, and then to carry on, shows what a callous and heinous individual he is. Guilty as charged, they should place him in an empty room, with a bottle of whiskey and a revolver.
One things for sure, whether he likes it or not, he is definitely on the run now, and he will be sprinting not jogging.
Whoever they get it won't be very easy to prove from that video
His victim should recognise him.
Quote from: Andy S on August 12, 2017, 12:16:53 AM
Whoever they get it won't be very easy to prove from that video
The bus driver might be a witness to the whole thing, he reacted so quickly he may have been watching. As for identifying the culprit, the woman recognised him when he ran back over the bridge, so should have a good shout at picking him out.
If this bloke is some high-flyer, he may have got someone to trump-up (apologies for the expression)- and he's had three months to come up with it - this so-called evidence that he was overseas at the time but there must surely be travel records to discredit that.
Police got wrong man,not charged as he was in America at the time...lol
Quote from: Holders on August 12, 2017, 12:15:11 PM
If this bloke is some high-flyer, he may have got someone to trump-up (apologies for the expression)- and he's had three months to come up with it - this so-called evidence that he was overseas at the time but there must surely be travel records to discredit that.
america has a good visa system. Doubt you could blag your way around it
Quote from: fulhamben on August 12, 2017, 07:31:38 PM
Quote from: Holders on August 12, 2017, 12:15:11 PM
If this bloke is some high-flyer, he may have got someone to trump-up (apologies for the expression)- and he's had three months to come up with it - this so-called evidence that he was overseas at the time but there must surely be travel records to discredit that.
america has a good visa system. Doubt you could blag your way around it
That's my point, he'd have to invoke that, just calling on a mate to vouch for him would not do.
