Shahid Khan giving 'serious consideration to selling Fulham'by DAN on AUGUST 19, 2017(http://hammyend.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/DSC_0025300-225x300.jpg)
The Times deputy football correspondent Matt Hughes claims in his 'Football Notebook' column this morning that Shahid Khan is giving 'serious consideration' to selling Fulham.
Hughes, a well-connected football correspondent of many years standing, suggests that the decision to rebuff interest from across Europe in both Ryan Sessegnon and his twin brother Steven was influenced by the fact that Khan, who bought Fulham from Mohamed Al-Fayed in 2014, is open to offers for the club. He claims that the search for a new owner was put on hold as Slavisa Jokanovic's side reached the Championship play-offs last season but 'Khan remains interested in selling'.
Hughes' full column is behind the Times paywall, but the relevant Fulham section reads as follows:
Fulham's determination to keep hold of the highly-rated Sessegnon twins – Ryan and Steven – is being influenced by owner Shahid Khan giving serious consideration to selling the club. The American billionaire let it be known he would be interested in a sale towards the end of last season when Slavisa Jokanovic's side were in contention for promotion to the Premier League, but the search for a buyer was put on hold following their Championship play-off semi-final defeat by Reading. Khan remains interested in selling, however, and is determined to retain the club's most valuable playing assets in the interim. Tottenham Hotspur had a £25 million bid rejected for Ryan Sessegnon last week, while they are also keen on his 17 year-old brother Steven.
Fulham and Khan's representatives have strongly denied that the American billionaire, who also owns the NFL franchise Jackonsville Jaguars, is ready to part with the club pointing to the increased role of his son, Tony, who became the club's vice chairman and director of football operations last season.
http://hammyend.com/index.php/2017/08/shahid-khan-giving-serious-consideration-to-selling-fulham/
Really? If it's not Slava leaving it's Khan selling. Next
I, and I suspect most others (?), would not be averse to SK selling. Big caveat though would be the saying about better the devil you know.
oh god, more weeks of Khan this and Kline that.
You know what? I really don't care. Its a bumpy ride supporting Fulham. 3 points on the occasional saturday, a bit of fun. that will do me.
Quote from: BedsFFC on August 19, 2017, 09:34:44 AM
oh god, more weeks of Khan this and Kline that.
You know what? I really don't care. Its a bumpy ride supporting Fulham. 3 points on the occasional saturday, a bit of fun. that will do me.
Sometimes it really does help to take this approach.
Not fussed about this.
Everything is sellable at the right price. He is a businessman and if someone offered him top dollars I expect he would take it. A nothing story that could be written for every club in the world.
I've been taking it since 1987
Major spend on infrastructure, £15mil+ outlay on two new strikers, big contracts for Sessegnon and Cairney and his son currently occupies an influential role at the club. Nothing story.
Have to admit I don't know why he bought us in the first place. He had no idea what or who to bring in to help the club. Was an utter disaster under his ownership until the last few years. If he sells, he sells and we are back to wondering if the Cottage is safe, how the club can be anything but a simple plaything for the very rich who would be happy to lose money.
But as others have said. Other than cutting his loses, why sell now and still invest heavily? When Al Fayed was selling up. we could tell he was interested in leaving for a few years with the lack of direction and big investment.
We should be very careful what we wish for.
Well I'd prefer that he stayed. Multi billionaires don't grow on trees. And I'd hate to have another potential battle to keep craven cottage
Everything has a price. This includes footballers and football clubs. Khan is a businessman.
Having said that, this is a 'bob each-way' story. If Khan should sell then the writer is a genius. If he doesn't, then the story has already been explicitly denied in the last paragraph.
Quote from: peaty on August 19, 2017, 10:23:00 AM
We should be very careful what we wish for.
Yes.
Did the Times journalist get this information from Nose. lol
Well I for one hope he doesn't sell as things are going in the right direction on the pitch. Hopefully the Cottage will have a new stand in time that brings in further income!
Just cant see this myself.
Quote from: The Old Count on August 19, 2017, 10:28:28 AM
Did the Times journalist get this information from Nose. lol
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He has been trying to offload for over 2 years
It is well known in Florida business circles
I posted this 2 years ago and took considerable criticism amid accusations of slander
He has no interest in the business and it's is a plaything for his son
However we do now have a strong squad and a great manager - but SJ knows it's top 6 or the sack (again) this year
Someone from the supporters trust has tweeted to say that they're making a correction to the story - don't think it's gone down very well with the club
My pal in Newmarket been in touch with his son at Daily Express,says its utter poppycock in his opinion.
Absolute bollocks.
As Statto allude too, there is absolutely nothing to back this up.
How the Khan haters are loving this. Out of the woodwork they crawl.
Perhaps they would prefer some of these Chinese people who are flooding over here on the back of their sweat shops millions.
People like Khan do not get rich by standing still, dreaming, or rebuffing serious offers which improve their portfolio. I would suggest Mr Khan has been 'open to serious offers' from day one as, no doubt, any other owner has been and would be. It doesn't mean a 'serious offer' is out there or anywhere near approaching whatever valuation Mr Khan may place on Fulham FC as an asset. I also think it is kidology to believe the combined worth of all Fulham's players would increase such an asset's value to the point it becomes impossible to resist.
What makes anything worthwhile is its potential and if Fulham were in the PL with a much improved stadium with hospitality, conference and concert facilities and a healthy annual income then surely it would be a very tasty morsel indeed. The Academy is a different matter as it can be seen to run at a profit already and has the potential to turn out dozens more players with huge potential, but it needs the football club as a focal point of that potential to attract young children and their parents.
Just journalistic license being used because it is slow news month and he wanted to justify his fee.
Thus better be fake news
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WE knew MAF wanted to sell after the Europa Cup year when he started his financial wizardry & halting investment. Khan is doing the opposite. Investing what he is able to do under present restrictions with players. He has invested heavily in the infrastructure of the club. He does have plans for redevelopment of the Riverside, but only when he has the plans he wants in place. Khan doesn´t do cheap makeovers.
Last time something like the came out the fulham website published a rebuttal quite firmly stating they weren't selling the club and had no interest in doing so and were in it for the long haul.. or perhaps I made that up - pretty sure I didn't though. I don't see why this would be true since as not much with the club has changed and Khan seems to have gotten better with decision making and the club..
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2015/july/10/evening-standard-reaction
Re an evening standard article posted in July 2015 about shahid khan apparently wanting to sell the club.
Quote from: Baszab on August 19, 2017, 10:43:32 AM
He has been trying to offload for over 2 years
It is well known in Florida business circles
I posted this 2 years ago and took considerable criticism amid accusations of slander
He has no interest in the business and it's is a plaything for his son
However we do now have a strong squad and a great manager - but SJ knows it's top 6 or the sack (again) this year
Maybe Kit Symons will buy the club.
Quote from: BedsFFC on August 19, 2017, 09:34:44 AM
oh god, more weeks of Khan this and Kline that.
You know what? I really don't care. Its a bumpy ride supporting Fulham. 3 points on the occasional saturday, a bit of fun. that will do me.
Brilliantly put.
We would all sell our houses if we were offered a good price. Doesn't mean we want to move.
Quote from: The Old Count on August 19, 2017, 11:25:15 AM
Quote from: Baszab on August 19, 2017, 10:43:32 AM
He has been trying to offload for over 2 years
It is well known in Florida business circles
I posted this 2 years ago and took considerable criticism amid accusations of slander
He has no interest in the business and it's is a plaything for his son
However we do now have a strong squad and a great manager - but SJ knows it's top 6 or the sack (again) this year
Maybe Kit Symons will buy the club.
Haha
Quote from: Carborundum on August 19, 2017, 11:49:58 AM
Quote from: BedsFFC on August 19, 2017, 09:34:44 AM
oh god, more weeks of Khan this and Kline that.
You know what? I really don't care. Its a bumpy ride supporting Fulham. 3 points on the occasional saturday, a bit of fun. that will do me.
Brilliantly put.
Just going to ask. Exactly how far apart would "occasional" be?
I truly hope he doesn't sell, but I fear there may well be some truth to this story.
I reported that Chairman Mo wanted to sell way back in 2007. A friend of mine worked closely with him at the corner shop. His words were "he'd bite the hand off someone who made a decent offer." It took a long time until Khan came onto the scene with such an offer, but sell he did.
Football fans seem notoriously reluctant to admit that owners or players might not want to stick with their club, but it's just a business to the likes of Khan - and not a very lucrative one either for most.
Nogood "a sad day to read this, itis" Boyo
The times have withdrawn the story...
Quote from: Finnegans Wake on August 19, 2017, 12:41:07 PM
We would all sell our houses if we were offered a good price. Doesn't mean we want to move.
Wrong....We'd never sell ours for a million, its part of us and love living in it...So there..lol
Maybe if we get into the PS the value may entice him to sell.
But why now ?
Nonsense reporting, it seems
Red Bull wants to buy a football team in London...
Quote from: Baszab on August 19, 2017, 10:43:32 AM
He has been trying to offload for over 2 years
It is well known in Florida business circles
I posted this 2 years ago and took considerable criticism amid accusations of slander
He has no interest in the business and it's is a plaything for his son
However we do now have a strong squad and a great manager - but SJ knows it's top 6 or the sack (again) this year
With all due respect, you posted this TWO YEARS ago and now there is a story that supports your claims.
I could predict that sometime in the future Khan will sell Fulham, Jose will leave United and the Sessegnon bros will be sold and I have a certainty that all three will likely come true in my lifetime.
As TM rightly said, Khan is a businessman, with a club like Fulham, if the right offer comes along any of our owners would sell.
There could be something to this story, it could be the usual journo crap we are all used to, but I, for one, wait until there is some concrete facts behind a story before I can believe it in.
As far as club owners go, SK's been pretty good. I understand, his tenure at the club hasn't been very positive, but at least he's not trying to change our name to 'Fulham Cottagers' because we'd appeal to a 'global audience' or 'Red Bull London' because he wants to attach his product on our club name and changing our kits and badge to red because it appeals to an Asian audience. At least he's not trying to move our club to Milton Keynes, at least he's finally improving our team
I trust SK because we could have had someone far worse
I would love it to be true!
Quote from: fcfulham55 on August 19, 2017, 05:53:14 PM
I would love it to be true!
Then find some businessmen who will lend you the money and buy him out!
Sorry, but I get fed up with those who keep harping on about Khan and how bad he is for the club. He is nowhere near the best of owners, but given what we have seen from other owners of similar-sized clubs in the past, he is nowhere near the worst either.
Criticize him by all means, but just wanting him to sell for the sake of selling is a poor outlook from my view, as we all know, the grass is ALWAYS greener, isn't it?
Talk of Shahid Khan selling Fulham is rubbish
American owner is not looking to sell Whites, despite national newspaper's claims
Get West London understands that suggestions Shahid Khan is considering selling Fulham are rubbish.
A story in the Times yesterday reported that the Whites owner was 'seriously considering' selling the west London outfit.
Khan bought the Cottagers from Mohamed Al-Fayed in 2013 and his son Tony was made vice-chairman and director of football operations just last year.
We understand that any talk of a sale is false, however, with the Khan family keen to take Fulham back into the Premier League.
The Fulham Supporters' Trust, who enjoy a good working relationship with the club, released a statement saying they believed the story was "without foundation".
It read: "The Fulham Supporters' Trust were surprised to read a story in yesterday's Times by the paper's deputy football correspondent, Matt Hughes, stating that Shahid Khan was interested in selling Fulham Football Club.
"The Trust has worked hard since Mr Khan's purchase of Fulham in 2013 to build a constructive working relationship that has allowed us to communicate the views of Fulham fans to the Club's ownership and decision makers.
"We are heartened by Mr Khan and Fulham Football Club's desire to retain their key players, such as captain Tom Cairney, and Ryan and Steven Sessegnon, as well the continued investment in Motspur Park and Craven Cottage. We believe the story that was published in the Times to be totally without foundation."
http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/talk-shahid-khan-selling-fulham-13502925 (http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/talk-shahid-khan-selling-fulham-13502925)
Quote from: CincyFulham1 on August 21, 2017, 04:10:08 PM
Talk of Shahid Khan selling Fulham is rubbish
American owner is not looking to sell Whites, despite national newspaper's claims
Get West London understands that suggestions Shahid Khan is considering selling Fulham are rubbish.
A story in the Times yesterday reported that the Whites owner was 'seriously considering' selling the west London outfit.
Khan bought the Cottagers from Mohamed Al-Fayed in 2013 and his son Tony was made vice-chairman and director of football operations just last year.
We understand that any talk of a sale is false, however, with the Khan family keen to take Fulham back into the Premier League.
The Fulham Supporters' Trust, who enjoy a good working relationship with the club, released a statement saying they believed the story was "without foundation".
It read: "The Fulham Supporters' Trust were surprised to read a story in yesterday's Times by the paper's deputy football correspondent, Matt Hughes, stating that Shahid Khan was interested in selling Fulham Football Club.
"The Trust has worked hard since Mr Khan's purchase of Fulham in 2013 to build a constructive working relationship that has allowed us to communicate the views of Fulham fans to the Club's ownership and decision makers.
"We are heartened by Mr Khan and Fulham Football Club's desire to retain their key players, such as captain Tom Cairney, and Ryan and Steven Sessegnon, as well the continued investment in Motspur Park and Craven Cottage. We believe the story that was published in the Times to be totally without foundation."
http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/talk-shahid-khan-selling-fulham-13502925 (http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/talk-shahid-khan-selling-fulham-13502925)
Where do these ratty journalists get off making up rubbish? What do they hope to get out of it? The national newspaper (The Times?) must get sources for their stories and if so, they need to check them (same source as Charliejonessports?) as they are bogus. I could make up a story... In fact I will... News UK wants to sell The Times... there we go equally as rubbish as their story.
The source of the info given to the The Times was not from the club or Khan's or anyone remotely related to the club. It was given to the juno there to cause instability at the club for whatever reason that individual had.
Quote from: Baszab on August 19, 2017, 10:43:32 AM
He has been trying to offload for over 2 years
It is well known in Florida business circles
I posted this 2 years ago and took considerable criticism amid accusations of slander
He has no interest in the business and it's is a plaything for his son
However we do now have a strong squad and a great manager - but SJ knows it's top 6 or the sack (again) this year
You contradict yourself. The first four lines are the usual anti Khan claptrap and then you say "However we do now have a strong squad and a great manager ". Why would the first four be true if the last one is?
Quote from: MJG on August 21, 2017, 05:00:59 PM
The source of the info given to the The Times was not from the club or Khan's or anyone remotely related to the club. It was given to the juno there to cause instability at the club for whatever reason that individual had.
That was my guess and it worked. Hopefully the knock on effect will be to actually galvanise everyone. If I was one of the khans I would be straight down the training ground telling the squad not to believe it and that we are 100 per cent behind you all, etc, etc. A good opportunity to contribute to confidence...
1. I still don't get the anti-Khan venom and why people would want this to be true.
2. If he was looking to get out, surely he would have cashed in on the likes of Cairney and Sess. Cash in the hand is king.
3. If he was looking to get out surely he wouldn't have invested in the likes of Fonte, Ojo, Cisse, Norwood etc.
4. Be careful what you wish for. There will of course at some stage be another owner, and there's no guaranteeing they'll be an improvement.
5. It seems to me that Khan, after the terrible first few years, has now put in place very professional processes and staff. To me, we now look like a well-run club and I'm sure results will follow.
Disclaimer : of course I could be completely naive and a really bad judge of character, and the club might be sold to Ernie Clay mark II tomorrow.
Good post Snibbo I agree with all you have said,including the disclaimer.
I had a statement on this from the Trust emailed to me last night. It was quite strident:
"The Fulham Supporters' Trust were surprised to read a story in yesterday's Times by the paper's deputy football correspondent, Matt Hughes, stating that Shahid Khan was interested in selling Fulham Football Club. We note that yesterday afternoon the story was amended to include a quote from a Fulham Football Club spokesperson insisting that 'Mr Khan has no intention of selling Fulham Football Club'.
The Trust has worked hard since Mr. Khan's purchase of Fulham Football in 2013 to build a constructive working relationship that has allowed us to communicate the views of Fulham fans to the Club's ownership and decision makers. This has led to what has been recognised by the Government and Supporters Direct as one of the strongest structured relationships in British football.
We are heartened by Mr. Khan and Fulham Football Club's desire to retain their key players, such as captain Tom Cairney, and Ryan and Steven Sessegnon, as well the continued investment in Motspur Park and Craven Cottage. We believe the story that was published in the Times to be totally without foundation. We look forward to working closely with Fulham Football Club to further our structured relationship over the coming months."
Quote from: paulbrookersmazydribbles on August 22, 2017, 09:27:32 AM
I had a statement on this from the Trust emailed to me last night. It was quite strident:
"The Fulham Supporters' Trust were surprised to read a story in yesterday's Times by the paper's deputy football correspondent, Matt Hughes, stating that Shahid Khan was interested in selling Fulham Football Club. We note that yesterday afternoon the story was amended to include a quote from a Fulham Football Club spokesperson insisting that 'Mr Khan has no intention of selling Fulham Football Club'.
The Trust has worked hard since Mr. Khan's purchase of Fulham Football in 2013 to build a constructive working relationship that has allowed us to communicate the views of Fulham fans to the Club's ownership and decision makers. This has led to what has been recognised by the Government and Supporters Direct as one of the strongest structured relationships in British football.
We are heartened by Mr. Khan and Fulham Football Club's desire to retain their key players, such as captain Tom Cairney, and Ryan and Steven Sessegnon, as well the continued investment in Motspur Park and Craven Cottage. We believe the story that was published in the Times to be totally without foundation. We look forward to working closely with Fulham Football Club to further our structured relationship over the coming months."
Interesting the inclusion of Steven Sessegnon in that as a key player...
If Khan was to sell, and we were to get an owner who considers us as more than a side project and actually gets involved themselves rather than handing us down to his son, surely that's a good thing?
Khan selling isn't the risk here, its who he sells to.
Quote from: Chutney on August 22, 2017, 01:41:21 PM
If Khan was to sell, and we were to get an owner who considers us as more than a side project and actually gets involved themselves rather than handing us down to his son, surely that's a good thing?
Khan selling isn't the risk here, its who he sells to.
What's the issue with handing us to his son? Don't all business leaders delegate?
Quote from: Chutney on August 22, 2017, 01:41:21 PM
If Khan was to sell, and we were to get an owner who considers us as more than a side project and actually gets involved themselves rather than handing us down to his son, surely that's a good thing?
Khan selling isn't the risk here, its who he sells to.
MAF's plan as he told us was to pass it on to his remaining son, but of course that didn't happen. Would you have been happy with that?
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 02:00:00 PM
Quote from: Chutney on August 22, 2017, 01:41:21 PM
If Khan was to sell, and we were to get an owner who considers us as more than a side project and actually gets involved themselves rather than handing us down to his son, surely that's a good thing?
Khan selling isn't the risk here, its who he sells to.
MAF's plan as he told us was to pass it on to his remaining son, but of course that didn't happen. Would you have been happy with that?
LOL +1
Some people on this board do say silly things.
I don't think that the suspicion and doubt about Khan would be so high if he just communicated better.
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If Khan was to sell, and we were to get an owner who considers us as more than a side project and actually gets involved themselves rather than handing us down to his son, surely that's a good thing?
Khan selling isn't the risk here, its who he sells to.
MAF's plan as he told us was to pass it on to his remaining son, but of course that didn't happen. Would you have been happy with that?
LOL +1
Some people on this board do say silly things.
There's a difference between putting your son on the board with very high level oversight, as MAF did, versus putting your son in charge of player recruitment, something traditionally within the manager's, scouts' and/or DoF's mandate (in any case an experienced football professional, probably an ex-player).
Let's be clear, what Khan has done is only one step away from insisting we play his sister up front against Ipswich.
I'm happy with his ownership overall but I don't think what Chutney has said is "silly"
To suggest his son who runs a sports data company TruMedia Networks being put in charge of recruitment is any where near his hypothetical sister being played up front against Ipswich is also silly. In fact it's beyond silly.
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Quote from: Chutney on August 22, 2017, 01:41:21 PM
If Khan was to sell, and we were to get an owner who considers us as more than a side project and actually gets involved themselves rather than handing us down to his son, surely that's a good thing?
Khan selling isn't the risk here, its who he sells to.
MAF's plan as he told us was to pass it on to his remaining son, but of course that didn't happen. Would you have been happy with that?
LOL +1
Some people on this board do say silly things.
There's a difference between putting your son on the board with very high level oversight, as MAF did, versus putting your son in charge of player recruitment, something traditionally within the manager's, scouts' and/or DoF's mandate (in any case an experienced football professional, probably an ex-player).
Let's be clear, what Khan has done is only one step away from insisting we play his sister up front against Ipswich.
I'm happy with his ownership overall but I don't think what Chutney has said is "silly"
Suggesting his son who runs a sports data company being put in charge of recruitment is any where near his sister playing up front against Ipswich is also silly. In fact it's beyond silly.
My point is, be it silly or not, that there is no need to panic about Khan selling, as long as the person he sells to the right person, it could well end up being a good thing, we just don't know.
Regarding the original question about MAF and his Son, no, I would not be happy had MAF put his son in charge of our recruitment.
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Quote from: Chutney on August 22, 2017, 01:41:21 PM
If Khan was to sell, and we were to get an owner who considers us as more than a side project and actually gets involved themselves rather than handing us down to his son, surely that's a good thing?
Khan selling isn't the risk here, its who he sells to.
MAF's plan as he told us was to pass it on to his remaining son, but of course that didn't happen. Would you have been happy with that?
LOL +1
Some people on this board do say silly things.
There's a difference between putting your son on the board with very high level oversight, as MAF did, versus putting your son in charge of player recruitment, something traditionally within the manager's, scouts' and/or DoF's mandate (in any case an experienced football professional, probably an ex-player).
Let's be clear, what Khan has done is only one step away from insisting we play his sister up front against Ipswich.
I'm happy with his ownership overall but I don't think what Chutney has said is "silly"
Suggesting his son who runs a sports data company being put in charge of recruitment is any where near his sister playing up front against Ipswich is also silly. In fact it's beyond silly.
My point is, be it silly or not, that there is no need to panic about Khan selling, as long as the person he sells to the right person, it could well end up being a good thing, we just don't know.
Regarding the original question about MAF and his Son, no, I would not be happy had MAF put his son in charge of our recruitment.
Would you rather somebody like TK running recruitment or that we go down the road that Palace have just gone down and appoint an ex-player like Dougie Freedman who literally is the definition of a failed manager?
If it's the second one, then I despair.
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Quote from: Chutney on August 22, 2017, 01:41:21 PM
If Khan was to sell, and we were to get an owner who considers us as more than a side project and actually gets involved themselves rather than handing us down to his son, surely that's a good thing?
Khan selling isn't the risk here, its who he sells to.
MAF's plan as he told us was to pass it on to his remaining son, but of course that didn't happen. Would you have been happy with that?
LOL +1
Some people on this board do say silly things.
There's a difference between putting your son on the board with very high level oversight, as MAF did, versus putting your son in charge of player recruitment, something traditionally within the manager's, scouts' and/or DoF's mandate (in any case an experienced football professional, probably an ex-player).
Let's be clear, what Khan has done is only one step away from insisting we play his sister up front against Ipswich.
I'm happy with his ownership overall but I don't think what Chutney has said is "silly"
Suggesting his son who runs a sports data company being put in charge of recruitment is any where near his sister playing up front against Ipswich is also silly. In fact it's beyond silly.
My point is, be it silly or not, that there is no need to panic about Khan selling, as long as the person he sells to the right person, it could well end up being a good thing, we just don't know.
Regarding the original question about MAF and his Son, no, I would not be happy had MAF put his son in charge of our recruitment.
Would you rather somebody like TK running recruitment or that we go down the road that Palace have just gone down and appoint an ex-player like Dougie Freedman who literally is the definition of a failed manager?
If it's the second one, then I despair.
I'd prefer we give our manager and his staff the final say on the players we bring in, as it is them who decides if they play or not and them that know best what the team needs. So not the second one. Craig Kline is currently able to overrule Jokanovic, who do you trust more to judge a players ability?
I just think its a silly policy to sign players the manager has no intention of using and doesn't want. Final say on a player joining should be with Jokanovic, this clearly isn't the case while TK is in charge of recruitment.
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Quote from: Chutney on August 22, 2017, 01:41:21 PM
If Khan was to sell, and we were to get an owner who considers us as more than a side project and actually gets involved themselves rather than handing us down to his son, surely that's a good thing?
Khan selling isn't the risk here, its who he sells to.
MAF's plan as he told us was to pass it on to his remaining son, but of course that didn't happen. Would you have been happy with that?
LOL +1
Some people on this board do say silly things.
There's a difference between putting your son on the board with very high level oversight, as MAF did, versus putting your son in charge of player recruitment, something traditionally within the manager's, scouts' and/or DoF's mandate (in any case an experienced football professional, probably an ex-player).
Let's be clear, what Khan has done is only one step away from insisting we play his sister up front against Ipswich.
I'm happy with his ownership overall but I don't think what Chutney has said is "silly"
Suggesting his son who runs a sports data company being put in charge of recruitment is any where near his sister playing up front against Ipswich is also silly. In fact it's beyond silly.
My point is, be it silly or not, that there is no need to panic about Khan selling, as long as the person he sells to the right person, it could well end up being a good thing, we just don't know.
Regarding the original question about MAF and his Son, no, I would not be happy had MAF put his son in charge of our recruitment.
Would you rather somebody like TK running recruitment or that we go down the road that Palace have just gone down and appoint an ex-player like Dougie Freedman who literally is the definition of a failed manager?
If it's the second one, then I despair.
I'd prefer we give our manager and his staff the final say on the players we bring in, as it is them who decides if they play or not and them that know best what the team needs. So not the second one. Craig Kline is currently able to overrule Jokanovic, who do you trust more to judge a players ability?
I just think its a silly policy to sign players the manager has no intention of using and doesn't want. Final say on a player joining should be with Jokanovic, this clearly isn't the case while TK is in charge of recruitment.
I feel like we've gone back in time. We dont have a manager, Joka is a head coach. Its a different job description. Fulham have guarded themselves against having to tear up our plans should SJ leave. It's the correct decision. Most managers come in and want to buy their own players which causes wastage. This way the manager comes in and knows that he wont have final say and it's transparent. Which player have we signed that Joka wont play on current evidence? Djalo? Who's started 1 out of 5 games (and probably will tonight) and been on the bench for the other 4. I actually would trust Kline to judge what the club can afford and play with a budget accordingly which he has done well. It can almost be guaranteed that Kline will be here after SJ and as such is building a team with more of an eye to long-termism.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 02:47:59 PM
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Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: Chutney on August 22, 2017, 02:28:16 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 02:20:29 PM
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Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 02:06:28 PM
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Quote from: Chutney on August 22, 2017, 01:41:21 PM
If Khan was to sell, and we were to get an owner who considers us as more than a side project and actually gets involved themselves rather than handing us down to his son, surely that's a good thing?
Khan selling isn't the risk here, its who he sells to.
MAF's plan as he told us was to pass it on to his remaining son, but of course that didn't happen. Would you have been happy with that?
LOL +1
Some people on this board do say silly things.
There's a difference between putting your son on the board with very high level oversight, as MAF did, versus putting your son in charge of player recruitment, something traditionally within the manager's, scouts' and/or DoF's mandate (in any case an experienced football professional, probably an ex-player).
Let's be clear, what Khan has done is only one step away from insisting we play his sister up front against Ipswich.
I'm happy with his ownership overall but I don't think what Chutney has said is "silly"
Suggesting his son who runs a sports data company being put in charge of recruitment is any where near his sister playing up front against Ipswich is also silly. In fact it's beyond silly.
My point is, be it silly or not, that there is no need to panic about Khan selling, as long as the person he sells to the right person, it could well end up being a good thing, we just don't know.
Regarding the original question about MAF and his Son, no, I would not be happy had MAF put his son in charge of our recruitment.
Would you rather somebody like TK running recruitment or that we go down the road that Palace have just gone down and appoint an ex-player like Dougie Freedman who literally is the definition of a failed manager?
If it's the second one, then I despair.
I'd prefer we give our manager and his staff the final say on the players we bring in, as it is them who decides if they play or not and them that know best what the team needs. So not the second one. Craig Kline is currently able to overrule Jokanovic, who do you trust more to judge a players ability?
I just think its a silly policy to sign players the manager has no intention of using and doesn't want. Final say on a player joining should be with Jokanovic, this clearly isn't the case while TK is in charge of recruitment.
I feel like we've gone back in time. We dont have a manager, Joka is a head coach. Its a different job description. Fulham have guarded themselves against having to tear up our plans should SJ leave. It's the correct decision. Most managers come in and want to buy their own players which causes wastage. This way the manager comes in and knows that he wont have final say and it's transparent. Which player have we signed that Joka wont play on current evidence? Djalo? Who's started 1 out of 5 games (and probably will tonight) and been on the bench for the other 4. I actually would trust Kline to judge what the club can afford and play with a budget accordingly which he has done well. It can almost be guaranteed that Kline will be here after SJ and as such is building a team with more of an eye to long-termism.
"Which player have we signed that Joka wont play on current evidence?" - Pestos, Jozabed, Cyriac and Siggurdsson. Djalo won't get near the side in a proper game as Joka doesn't seem to rate him, hence he will only be trusted against the likes of Wycombe.
You trust Kline to judge a player over Jokanovic? That is madness.
But we're missing the point by debating our transfer policy, I used it merely as an example, the point is if Khan was looking to sell, its not the end of the world, we could end up much better off as a result with an owner who takes direct responsibility for the running of the club, I understand Khan's priority is the Jags, which is fine, but having an owner who's only priority is Fulham wouldn't be a bad thing. I don't think that's a silly point to make at all.
Quote from: Chutney on August 22, 2017, 02:56:48 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 02:47:59 PM
Quote from: Chutney on August 22, 2017, 02:37:00 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: Chutney on August 22, 2017, 02:28:16 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 02:20:29 PM
Quote from: Statto on August 22, 2017, 02:14:36 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 02:06:28 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 02:00:00 PM
Quote from: Chutney on August 22, 2017, 01:41:21 PM
If Khan was to sell, and we were to get an owner who considers us as more than a side project and actually gets involved themselves rather than handing us down to his son, surely that's a good thing?
Khan selling isn't the risk here, its who he sells to.
MAF's plan as he told us was to pass it on to his remaining son, but of course that didn't happen. Would you have been happy with that?
LOL +1
Some people on this board do say silly things.
There's a difference between putting your son on the board with very high level oversight, as MAF did, versus putting your son in charge of player recruitment, something traditionally within the manager's, scouts' and/or DoF's mandate (in any case an experienced football professional, probably an ex-player).
Let's be clear, what Khan has done is only one step away from insisting we play his sister up front against Ipswich.
I'm happy with his ownership overall but I don't think what Chutney has said is "silly"
Suggesting his son who runs a sports data company being put in charge of recruitment is any where near his sister playing up front against Ipswich is also silly. In fact it's beyond silly.
My point is, be it silly or not, that there is no need to panic about Khan selling, as long as the person he sells to the right person, it could well end up being a good thing, we just don't know.
Regarding the original question about MAF and his Son, no, I would not be happy had MAF put his son in charge of our recruitment.
Would you rather somebody like TK running recruitment or that we go down the road that Palace have just gone down and appoint an ex-player like Dougie Freedman who literally is the definition of a failed manager?
If it's the second one, then I despair.
I'd prefer we give our manager and his staff the final say on the players we bring in, as it is them who decides if they play or not and them that know best what the team needs. So not the second one. Craig Kline is currently able to overrule Jokanovic, who do you trust more to judge a players ability?
I just think its a silly policy to sign players the manager has no intention of using and doesn't want. Final say on a player joining should be with Jokanovic, this clearly isn't the case while TK is in charge of recruitment.
I feel like we've gone back in time. We dont have a manager, Joka is a head coach. Its a different job description. Fulham have guarded themselves against having to tear up our plans should SJ leave. It's the correct decision. Most managers come in and want to buy their own players which causes wastage. This way the manager comes in and knows that he wont have final say and it's transparent. Which player have we signed that Joka wont play on current evidence? Djalo? Who's started 1 out of 5 games (and probably will tonight) and been on the bench for the other 4. I actually would trust Kline to judge what the club can afford and play with a budget accordingly which he has done well. It can almost be guaranteed that Kline will be here after SJ and as such is building a team with more of an eye to long-termism.
"Which player have we signed that Joka wont play on current evidence?" - Pestos, Jozabed, Cyriac and Siggurdsson. Djalo won't get near the side in a proper game as Joka doesn't seem to rate him, hence he will only be trusted against the likes of Wycombe.
You trust Kline to judge a player over Jokanovic? That is madness.
But we're missing the point by debating our transfer policy, I used it merely as an example, the point is if Khan was looking to sell, its not the end of the world, we could end up much better off as a result with an owner who takes direct responsibility for the running of the club, I understand Khan's priority is the Jags, which is fine, but having an owner who's only priority is Fulham wouldn't be a bad thing. I don't think that's a silly point to make at all.
I think unless there is a billionaire Fulham fan then it'll never happen. The other option to a Khan realistically is a chinese investor or an oligarch. Id prefer a son who wants to prove himself to his father over that any day.
Quote from: Chutney on August 22, 2017, 02:56:48 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 02:47:59 PM
Quote from: Chutney on August 22, 2017, 02:37:00 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: Chutney on August 22, 2017, 02:28:16 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 02:20:29 PM
Quote from: Statto on August 22, 2017, 02:14:36 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 22, 2017, 02:06:28 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 02:00:00 PM
Quote from: Chutney on August 22, 2017, 01:41:21 PM
If Khan was to sell, and we were to get an owner who considers us as more than a side project and actually gets involved themselves rather than handing us down to his son, surely that's a good thing?
Khan selling isn't the risk here, its who he sells to.
MAF's plan as he told us was to pass it on to his remaining son, but of course that didn't happen. Would you have been happy with that?
LOL +1
Some people on this board do say silly things.
There's a difference between putting your son on the board with very high level oversight, as MAF did, versus putting your son in charge of player recruitment, something traditionally within the manager's, scouts' and/or DoF's mandate (in any case an experienced football professional, probably an ex-player).
Let's be clear, what Khan has done is only one step away from insisting we play his sister up front against Ipswich.
I'm happy with his ownership overall but I don't think what Chutney has said is "silly"
Suggesting his son who runs a sports data company being put in charge of recruitment is any where near his sister playing up front against Ipswich is also silly. In fact it's beyond silly.
My point is, be it silly or not, that there is no need to panic about Khan selling, as long as the person he sells to the right person, it could well end up being a good thing, we just don't know.
Regarding the original question about MAF and his Son, no, I would not be happy had MAF put his son in charge of our recruitment.
Would you rather somebody like TK running recruitment or that we go down the road that Palace have just gone down and appoint an ex-player like Dougie Freedman who literally is the definition of a failed manager?
If it's the second one, then I despair.
I'd prefer we give our manager and his staff the final say on the players we bring in, as it is them who decides if they play or not and them that know best what the team needs. So not the second one. Craig Kline is currently able to overrule Jokanovic, who do you trust more to judge a players ability?
I just think its a silly policy to sign players the manager has no intention of using and doesn't want. Final say on a player joining should be with Jokanovic, this clearly isn't the case while TK is in charge of recruitment.
I feel like we've gone back in time. We dont have a manager, Joka is a head coach. Its a different job description. Fulham have guarded themselves against having to tear up our plans should SJ leave. It's the correct decision. Most managers come in and want to buy their own players which causes wastage. This way the manager comes in and knows that he wont have final say and it's transparent. Which player have we signed that Joka wont play on current evidence? Djalo? Who's started 1 out of 5 games (and probably will tonight) and been on the bench for the other 4. I actually would trust Kline to judge what the club can afford and play with a budget accordingly which he has done well. It can almost be guaranteed that Kline will be here after SJ and as such is building a team with more of an eye to long-termism.
"Which player have we signed that Joka wont play on current evidence?" - Pestos, Jozabed, Cyriac and Siggurdsson. Djalo won't get near the side in a proper game as Joka doesn't seem to rate him, hence he will only be trusted against the likes of Wycombe.
You trust Kline to judge a player over Jokanovic? That is madness.
But we're missing the point by debating our transfer policy, I used it merely as an example, the point is if Khan was looking to sell, its not the end of the world, we could end up much better off as a result with an owner who takes direct responsibility for the running of the club, I understand Khan's priority is the Jags, which is fine, but having an owner who's only priority is Fulham wouldn't be a bad thing. I don't think that's a silly point to make at all.
Jozabed 100% a SJ pick
Waits for Statto to jump in. ;-)
Not to drift off topic - One thing that I think gets lost in translation is that the head coach vs. manager description is very American. American football only has head coaches, and they almost never have a hand in signings - they are only responsible for getting the best out of the players for the most part.
This is Khan's approach and Fulham is being run like an American team either by choice or he simply doesn't know better to draw from the strengths available from a different league/system.
Right or wrong, it's the Khan show and he is at least trying to get us promoted, and UK football is not an area of expertise for him (or American football for that matter).
Quote from: The Rock on August 22, 2017, 03:30:15 PM
Not to drift off topic - One thing that I think gets lost in translation is that the head coach vs. manager description is very American. American football only has head coaches, and they almost never have a hand in signings - they are only responsible for getting the best out of the players for the most part.
This is Khan's approach and Fulham is being run like an American team either by choice or he simply doesn't know better to draw from the strengths available from a different league/system.
Right or wrong, it's the Khan show and he is at least trying to get us promoted, and UK football is not an area of expertise for him (or American football for that matter).
Im fine with this setup.
Having seen in the last decade Sanchez, Jol and Magath have free reign pretty much to sign who they want then to have a system in place that looks to reduce errors count me in.
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 03:33:16 PM
Quote from: The Rock on August 22, 2017, 03:30:15 PM
Not to drift off topic - One thing that I think gets lost in translation is that the head coach vs. manager description is very American. American football only has head coaches, and they almost never have a hand in signings - they are only responsible for getting the best out of the players for the most part.
This is Khan's approach and Fulham is being run like an American team either by choice or he simply doesn't know better to draw from the strengths available from a different league/system.
Right or wrong, it's the Khan show and he is at least trying to get us promoted, and UK football is not an area of expertise for him (or American football for that matter).
Im fine with this setup.
Having seen in the last decade Sanchez, Jol and Magath have free reign pretty much to sign who they want then to have a system in place that looks to reduce errors count me in.
Absolutely, my point exactly. Should mean that we dont have an exodus when SJ leaves but equally the club may sell favourites in view of their larger strategy.
I must admit to being largely won over to the Kline approach by the success of recent signings, especially when you think of all the money wasted on some past 'big name' signings, though I think Slavisa, and scouts, should still have a say, as is stated club policy.
Quote from: MJG on August 22, 2017, 03:33:16 PM
Quote from: The Rock on August 22, 2017, 03:30:15 PM
Not to drift off topic - One thing that I think gets lost in translation is that the head coach vs. manager description is very American. American football only has head coaches, and they almost never have a hand in signings - they are only responsible for getting the best out of the players for the most part.
This is Khan's approach and Fulham is being run like an American team either by choice or he simply doesn't know better to draw from the strengths available from a different league/system.
Right or wrong, it's the Khan show and he is at least trying to get us promoted, and UK football is not an area of expertise for him (or American football for that matter).
Im fine with this setup.
Having seen in the last decade Sanchez, Jol and Magath have free reign pretty much to sign who they want then to have a system in place that looks to reduce errors count me in.
You just beat me too it Mike. Magath was given full control by Khan and he had his fingers and wallet burned big time. I suspect what we now see is partly due to Khans experience of Magath.
Let's be honest, last season was great, we just ran our of steam and did not get the luck in the playoffs. This close season signings have been good again and now the head coach has to get the best out of them. Injuries did not hurt us last,season but we are seeing already how they can hurt you, Slavs coaching skills are now critical.
Im coming round to thinking that khan has the right idea, setting up wht Jr and kline hope that joka gets a good imput and dont think he would have signed a new contract if it wasnt the case.
Personally despite what he says I don't believe that SJ has no say in who comes in and out. Also I think his coaching leaves something to be desired.we continue to concede goals, and get nullified by the opposition because we play the same way every time . So I am happy that we have recruitment at least partly independent of him
