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Poll
Question: Sell Aluko & buy a striker or keep Aluko?
Option 1: Keep votes: 42
Option 2: Sell to fund another striker votes: 82
Title: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: dannyboi-ffc on August 20, 2017, 03:22:37 PM
Seems a relevant topic at the moment. It's proven to be an interesting debate on other threads but I'm curious to see where the votes go when given the choice.

So pretty simple, would you rather keep Aluko knowing his strengths and weaknesses and have Fonte/Kamara as our strikers.

Or would you sell providing it was a decent price (4-6m) to fund a third striker who had a proven scoring record?

The latter is a very specific description because that's the terms I would happily accept him being sold for.
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: Luka on August 20, 2017, 04:45:21 PM
It all depends on if he now actually would prefer to go.
If he wants out I'd say sell now before the window shuts.
Put another way, it's his call.

Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: colinwhite on August 20, 2017, 04:57:19 PM
I want both!
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: masterhaynes on August 20, 2017, 04:57:25 PM
Your putting a lot faith in our scouting, it would need to be an experienced and accomplished striker in the ilk of  Fonte certainly not Kamara level. I think at thiis stage of window with rising prices as sellers smell the desperation we would need to match the £6m we get for Aluko with a similar sum to buy such a forward, unless our scouts have unearthed a gem that no one else knows about and are already in process of being signed.
Some how I can't see us spending the necessary money nor have great faith in our scouting - look at the players other teams have loaned or signed for a pittance. Saiz at Leeds looks at absolute steal and Sheff Wed Loaning Venancio compared to FFC signing Djalo puts our summer signings into perspective
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: hovewhite on August 20, 2017, 05:18:07 PM
Danny he's played out wide most of the time and he was crap out wide yesterday,also with his attitude the way it is I'd get rid as plenty wide options.sign another striker waste of time as 1 is only gonna play.I have votwed sell.
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: aaronmcguigan on August 20, 2017, 05:18:35 PM
I'm sorry , but even with desperation of other clubs and as much as he's done for us, I cannot see any club, even a moneybags team coming in and paying the guys of 6million for Aluko.

Reading aren't made of money and going by posts on their forums, a 3-4m bid is realistic which I would agree with, which probably wouldn't buy the laces of a decent striker
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: Whitesideup on August 20, 2017, 05:39:50 PM
Trouble with the question Dannyboi, is that you won't get a striker with a proven scoring record for 4-6 million. Try £15.
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: dannyboi-ffc on August 20, 2017, 05:46:41 PM
Quote from: Whitesideup on August 20, 2017, 05:39:50 PM
Trouble with the question Dannyboi, is that you won't get a striker with a proven scoring record for 4-6 million. Try £15.

So how much did Wednesday pay for Fletcher? I don't know, just curious. How much would Glen Murray cost? Someone along those lines who's been there and done it
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: westcliff white on August 20, 2017, 06:37:22 PM
Aluko isn't a striker he is a wide forward, to be considered a striker you need to score more than he does
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: Milo on August 20, 2017, 06:42:05 PM
Surprised the majority want to sell!

I feel he will be our player of the season or close to it this year.. looked especially promising during pre season. However as I've already said I feel he would be better behind the strikers in a Cairney style position (moved back like Dembele MK I). Or have him out wide where he is now and wait for Fonte to gel and the goals to come... we need someone in form while AK/Fonte get used to English football.

Can see the argument though for selling him if he wants to go.
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: davew on August 20, 2017, 06:46:00 PM
If we could get a proven goal scorer for 4m, why have we paid 8m for somebody who is not bad at taking corners?
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: bill taylors apprentice on August 20, 2017, 06:57:27 PM
I'd like to keep him, he can't be relied upon to score many goals but he's a very good team player.

Frustrating at times but adds something to those around him IMO.
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: Mullers OG on August 20, 2017, 11:29:13 PM
Strange decision to have Fonte taking corners and free kicks (although he took them well).  Given the inability of our other forwards to hit a barn door one would have hoped our new striker would have been in the 6 yard area to finish.  On one outing though Fonte looks the part. 

Aluko was never good enough for Fulham in my opinion.  Even if he did have brilliant moments last season they were outweighed by all the terrible finishing and head down headless chicken running.  Get rid of him and play Kebano who looks as if he's up for it.
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: ffccaz on August 21, 2017, 01:28:56 PM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on August 20, 2017, 06:57:27 PM
I'd like to keep him, he can't be relied upon to score many goals but he's a very good team player.

Frustrating at times but adds something to those around him IMO.

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Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: Marcel_Gecov on August 21, 2017, 01:31:38 PM
Quote from: Mullers OG on August 20, 2017, 11:29:13 PM
Strange decision to have Fonte taking corners and free kicks (although he took them well).  Given the inability of our other forwards to hit a barn door one would have hoped our new striker would have been in the 6 yard area to finish.  On one outing though Fonte looks the part. 

Aluko was never good enough for Fulham in my opinion.  Even if he did have brilliant moments last season they were outweighed by all the terrible finishing and head down headless chicken running.  Get rid of him and play Kebano who looks as if he's up for it.

"Inability of our other forwards to hit a barn door"

You mean, top scorers from last season? LOL
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: aaronmcguigan on August 21, 2017, 01:50:20 PM
http://www.footcharts.co.uk/index.cfm?task=basics_shots&league=E1&venue=T&season=31/05/2017

Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: Marcel_Gecov on August 21, 2017, 01:54:04 PM
What point is that making?
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on August 21, 2017, 07:45:14 PM
I cannot imagine Fulham receiving anything over 4.Million for him. The question is, is he worth more to us, taking into consideration his recent attitude and body language and match application, and how good a man manager is Jok.
Against the sum of money we may receive for him, and what do we do with that money.
If we sell him will we get an adequate replacement, or will it be a different position.
Or will we end up selling a potentially good player and trousering the proceeds, because The 'A'team on their computers, cannot negotiate a deal for another player.
Do we twist or stick or bust.
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: aaronmcguigan on August 21, 2017, 07:57:24 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 21, 2017, 01:54:04 PM
What point is that making?

The barn door comment. It compares shots to shots on target. We took the most shots, and we're 4th for shots on target, while there's room to improve, we're still one of the most proficient and effective teams in the division. Doesn't back up the barn door comment.
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: alexmur on August 21, 2017, 08:18:09 PM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on August 20, 2017, 03:22:37 PM
Seems a relevant topic at the moment. It's proven to be an interesting debate on other threads but I'm curious to see where the votes go when given the choice.

So pretty simple, would you rather keep Aluko knowing his strengths and weaknesses and have Fonte/Kamara as our strikers.

Or would you sell providing it was a decent price (4-6m) to fund a third striker who had a proven scoring record?

The latter is a very specific description because that's the terms I would happily accept him being sold for.
I think aluko is great and love having him in the squad, but let's be fair he finishes are not up to scratch, I'd rather see someone else given the chances. Sell him for 5+ and buy someone else.

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Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: Jims Dentist on August 24, 2017, 06:27:43 PM
There would be little point in getting in another striker if he is yet another clone of those we already have (which T Khan & Kline seem to have some kind of fetish for).
Someone who can hold the ball up with his back to goal and who is a bit dangerous in the box would help, even if only used as a plan B.
Right now do we have any options for a plan B?
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: hovewhite on August 24, 2017, 09:35:45 PM
I am wondering if he played when injured ,because of covering and doing the captains role for the team,if thats the case i apologise for my  comments sone.
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: FulhamStu on August 24, 2017, 09:41:28 PM
I would swap Aluko for a goal scoring striker, however Ojo and Kebano would have to do a lot better that Tuesday to be adequate replacements, then again we also have Sess, Ayite and Piazon to return.
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: aaronmcguigan on August 24, 2017, 10:11:10 PM
Honestly don't see why Reading would pay anywhere near 5m for him. Also don't see how they'd afford him or break the bank to get him.
He's the kind of guy who's a no brainer on a free transfer, zero risk deal but no chance are we going to get the silly figures being mentioned for him.
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: One Martin Thomas on August 25, 2017, 12:10:14 AM
Bored with Aluko now. I think we should sell and move on. We need goals..... and he has got none in him
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: toshes mate on August 25, 2017, 04:26:11 AM
My big worry about this topic, and the vote, is that it is an illusion to believe the recruitment team are going to get a proven striker solution, with or without decent money being received for Aluko.  If Aluko's goal scoring is unsatisfactory then so is the recruitment team's targeting over the past few years, or is this thread about another last minute Martinesque scenario?  I feel we can do without the panic buys because so many people are happy with our start to the season and our purchases so far and this topic seems a little incongruous.  I'd prefer to buy a presence in the dressing room who can stir up the natives and get them in the mood to do battle, and even a loudspeaker with a recording of Craven Cottage atmosphere at its best would do better than panic buys. 
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: Whitesideup on August 25, 2017, 09:12:21 AM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on August 20, 2017, 05:46:41 PM
Quote from: Whitesideup on August 20, 2017, 05:39:50 PM
Trouble with the question Dannyboi, is that you won't get a striker with a proven scoring record for 4-6 million. Try £15.

So how much did Wednesday pay for Fletcher? I don't know, just curious. How much would Glen Murray cost? Someone along those lines who's been there and done it
Don't know how much Wednesday paid but clearly less than Sunderland did (£12 million) as Fletcher's star had faded. Is he even a regular first choice for Wednesday now? I suspect his form has been seriously affected by injury.

But the point is the cost of a "proven goalscorer". Well let's start with Woods at Leeds  - £15 million to Burnley. What would we have to pay for Abraham? And don't forget how much we paid for McCormack. Today's prices are inflated, and £4 million for Aluko would not get us a proven goalscorer at Championship level.
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: Marcel_Gecov on August 25, 2017, 10:22:12 AM
Quote from: Whitesideup on August 25, 2017, 09:12:21 AM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on August 20, 2017, 05:46:41 PM
Quote from: Whitesideup on August 20, 2017, 05:39:50 PM
Trouble with the question Dannyboi, is that you won't get a striker with a proven scoring record for 4-6 million. Try £15.

So how much did Wednesday pay for Fletcher? I don't know, just curious. How much would Glen Murray cost? Someone along those lines who's been there and done it
Don't know how much Wednesday paid but clearly less than Sunderland did (£12 million) as Fletcher's star had faded. Is he even a regular first choice for Wednesday now? I suspect his form has been seriously affected by injury.

But the point is the cost of a "proven goalscorer". Well let's start with Woods at Leeds  - £15 million to Burnley. What would we have to pay for Abraham? And don't forget how much we paid for McCormack. Today's prices are inflated, and £4 million for Aluko would not get us a proven goalscorer at Championship level.

I said in another thread, if we sell Aluko we need to be looking for a Vardy, Gray, Rhodes type (in status not style) but before they hit the big time. I think missing out on Cummings will come back to haunt us, maybe Bogle now he's in a better team. We could get this up and coming player for under 4m but that wont appease fans who want a ready made goalscorer. This player would be a risk. For every Cummings, theres a Taggart.

With that in mind, I would stick with Aluko, despite his profligacy in front of goal he was still 5th top scorer last year and is a pain in the proverbial for defences.
Title: Re: *Poll* Aluko or another striker?
Post by: ffcwickford on August 25, 2017, 11:41:38 AM
Aluko stays - team is better balanced with him in it - he doesn't score as many goals as everyone would like but he is not a striker! Give him a new contract Fulham, as he is an absolute handful for defences in this division and others we have purchased will learn to feed off him. Absolutely stupid to sell him to a rival whatever the price.