1st of all, I do not think he will be a starting player, esp in the short term. Already Fonte looks the type of player to gel quickly to our style as he is technically good and plays in an area where we are weak. Kamara on the other hand is shall we say agricultural in comparison. He does however have great pace and strength. A ball over the top for him to run onto for instance, or get him in the mix to bully defenders in the penalty area.
Kamara will struggle with our precise passing style but in a frantic finish where we go much more direct could be a good weapon.
He is very young, very raw and needs a lot of work but there is something there and we should not immediately make him public enemy no1 as he seems to have a desire which will help him improve. Learning the language, getting used to London and his new team mates could take a little time. What is the point in getting on his back, Ojo was more dissapointing for me last night, he would cost £10M to buy, is English, has played in England but did far less than Kamara last night ! And no I am not saying get on Ojo's back either. Remember StefJo was crap in his first game !
Quote from: FulhamStu on August 23, 2017, 10:26:36 AM
1st of all, I do not think he will be a starting player, esp in the short term. Already Fonte looks the type of player to gel quickly to our style as he is technically good and plays in an area where we are weak. Kamara on the other hand is shall we say agricultural in comparison. He does however have great pace and strength. A ball over the top for him to run onto for instance, or get him in the mix to bully defenders in the penalty area.
Kamara will struggle with our precise passing style but in a frantic finish where we go much more direct could be a good weapon.
He is very young, very raw and needs a lot of work but there is something there and we should not immediately make him public enemy no1 as he seems to have a desire which will help him improve. Learning the language, getting used to London and his new team mates could take a little time. What is the point in getting on his back, Ojo was more dissapointing for me last night, he would cost £10M to buy, is English, has played in England but did far less than Kamara last night ! And no I am not saying get on Ojo's back either. Remember StefJo was crap in his first game !
I agree with your observations
Despite the poor run, we mustn't get on any player's back - so long as they're trying.
I also find the original post well put. Above all, it is accurate.
Re kamara, I agree I also know he is more suited to running onto the ball than fed to him with his back to goal. Obviously he can do that, although not so much last night, but his main strength is running on in behind.
I am positive he will do ok for us, and agree no point jumping on him after 2 games with the youngsters and reserve players in the carabao cup and around 35 minutes of substitute action
Quote from: westcliff white on August 23, 2017, 11:11:21 AM
Re kamara, I agree I also know he is more suited to running onto the ball than fed to him with his back to goal. Obviously he can do that, although not so much last night, but his main strength is running on in behind.
I am positive he will do ok for us, and agree no point jumping on him after 2 games with the youngsters and reserve players in the carabao cup and around 35 minutes of substitute action
I agree he will come good. It shows what an important signing Fonte may be though. I thought he played amazingly well (considering he had a day with the squad). I love the fact that he took the ball for corners too. Looks like he is more than capable of takign charge (which is evident of his captaincy at Braga). When he get's a bit more vocal, he could be a great man to lead the line.
Quote from: westcliff white on August 23, 2017, 11:11:21 AM
Re kamara, I agree I also know he is more suited to running onto the ball than fed to him with his back to goal. Obviously he can do that, although not so much last night, but his main strength is running on in behind.
I am positive he will do ok for us, and agree no point jumping on him after 2 games with the youngsters and reserve players in the carabao cup and around 35 minutes of substitute action
Exactly, look at Kebano last year. It takes some time to settle.
This is a very pleasant thread.
and I like it
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 23, 2017, 11:18:40 AM
Quote from: westcliff white on August 23, 2017, 11:11:21 AM
Re kamara, I agree I also know he is more suited to running onto the ball than fed to him with his back to goal. Obviously he can do that, although not so much last night, but his main strength is running on in behind.
I am positive he will do ok for us, and agree no point jumping on him after 2 games with the youngsters and reserve players in the carabao cup and around 35 minutes of substitute action
Exactly, look at Kebano last year. It takes some time to settle.
He will yes, playing the ball quickly in behind is not what we tend to do, so he has to adjust a little as do the team to him.
It will come
Quote from: westcliff white on August 23, 2017, 11:26:06 AM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 23, 2017, 11:18:40 AM
Quote from: westcliff white on August 23, 2017, 11:11:21 AM
Re kamara, I agree I also know he is more suited to running onto the ball than fed to him with his back to goal. Obviously he can do that, although not so much last night, but his main strength is running on in behind.
I am positive he will do ok for us, and agree no point jumping on him after 2 games with the youngsters and reserve players in the carabao cup and around 35 minutes of substitute action
Exactly, look at Kebano last year. It takes some time to settle.
He will yes, it playing the ball quickly in behind is not what we tend to do, so he has to adjust a little as do the team to him.
It will come
I'm really excited about this year. I think we will actually click after the international break and do well.
I agree. Still think a loan would do him really good, perhaps in L1 or something. But thats never gonna happen this year at least unless his form seriously declines.
If he can work on his first touch then he would improve massively.
Kamara won't go out on loan to league one in any situation you can think of, if we were to,loan him (and we won't be this season) it would be back to France
I do hope it is accurate. I fear that it is overoptimistic
Quote from: Codgerinho on August 23, 2017, 11:58:37 AM
I do hope it is accurate. I fear that it is overoptimistic
Speed is always a problem for defenders and Kamara has that in abundance. Particularly as most defenders are lumbering things. He needs a goal, any goal, and then he'll be set.
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Quote from: Codgerinho on August 23, 2017, 11:58:37 AM
I do hope it is accurate. I fear that it is overoptimistic
Speed is always a problem for defenders and Kamara has that in abundance. Particularly as most defenders are lumbering things. He needs a goal, any goal, and then he'll be set.
Yep, I agree. He will feel a lot more confident when he scores. Same for Fonte. Hopefully they can both get one come Saturday.
The international break needs to be treated like a mini pre season to kick start ourselves, fully integrate the newbies, create a bit of morale and ensure everyone is at peak fitness going into the a September games
Quote from: Newry FFC on August 23, 2017, 12:26:36 PM
The international break needs to be treated like a mini pre season to kick start ourselves, fully integrate the newbies, create a bit of morale and ensure everyone is at peak fitness going into the a September games
On this note could there perhaps be some kind of behind closed doors game. I seem to remember us doing similar once?
From what's being said arent we looking at a McCormack/Dembele type pairing with Fonte and AK?
All these issues mentioned need to be put into action whilst the International break is operating to take full advantage of this time, no matter what happens against Ipswich Town.
The answer lies with the 3 amigos. Get Cairney, Johansen & McDonald 100% fit & hungry to replicate their form of last season & the goals will come from everyone.
A number of the favourite teams have actually started quite poorly this season, I don't think more than 2 of the current top 7 will make the top 6 at the end of the season.
Quote from: grandad on August 23, 2017, 01:20:08 PM
The answer lies with the 3 amigos. Get Cairney, Johansen & McDonald 100% fit & hungry to replicate their form of last season & the goals will come from everyone.
Absolutely agree, this is where we have been below par for the start of the season. Get those three up to last season's standards and the goals and wins will follow.
Quote from: FulhamStu on August 23, 2017, 10:26:36 AM
1st of all, I do not think he will be a starting player, esp in the short term. Already Fonte looks the type of player to gel quickly to our style as he is technically good and plays in an area where we are weak. Kamara on the other hand is shall we say agricultural in comparison. He does however have great pace and strength. A ball over the top for him to run onto for instance, or get him in the mix to bully defenders in the penalty area.
Kamara will struggle with our precise passing style but in a frantic finish where we go much more direct could be a good weapon.
He is very young, very raw and needs a lot of work but there is something there and we should not immediately make him public enemy no1 as he seems to have a desire which will help him improve. Learning the language, getting used to London and his new team mates could take a little time. What is the point in getting on his back, Ojo was more dissapointing for me last night, he would cost £10M to buy, is English, has played in England but did far less than Kamara last night ! And no I am not saying get on Ojo's back either. Remember StefJo was crap in his first game !
Agree - I would definitely cut AK some slack, as, if anything, he is probably trying to hard at the moment. Can't fault his effort, and he definitely has pace and power.
I would also like to eat my words on Djalo, who I admittedly wrote off after seeing one woeful 'performance' against Chelsea. He looked good at Wycombe, and last night he stood up to be counted, and played with determination. He deserves to succeed, and I hope he does.
Quote from: grandad on August 23, 2017, 01:20:08 PM
The answer lies with the 3 amigos. Get Cairney, Johansen & McDonald 100% fit & hungry to replicate their form of last season & the goals will come from everyone.
I hope that is the answer too. The midfield operation is always crucial to success in any team, and last year this trio was a trio to die for.
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Quote from: grandad on August 23, 2017, 01:20:08 PM
The answer lies with the 3 amigos. Get Cairney, Johansen & McDonald 100% fit & hungry to replicate their form of last season & the goals will come from everyone.
I hope that is the answer too. The midfield operation is always crucial to success in any team, and last year this trio was a trio to die for.
This was our main problem last night - although they huffed and puffed, Cisse, Norwood and O'Riley did not have any keys to unlock the 10/11 men behind the ball once Rovers scored.
I can see I'm in the minority here because I can't see the things in AK that others seem too. I hope he comes good I really do, but did we really pay £5m for him? His control is all over the place, as is his shooting. He looks like a smaller version of Ade Akinfenwa to me but without the fear factor.
Quote from: No one like Leggat on August 23, 2017, 02:07:24 PM
I can see I'm in the minority here because I can't see the things in AK that others seem too. I hope he comes good I really do, but did we really pay £5m for him? His control is all over the place, as is his shooting. He looks like a smaller version of Ade Akinfenwa to me but without the fear factor.
I know what you are saying, and I have also been critical of him for similiar reasons. Yes he is raw, and he couldn't trap a bag of spuds at the moment. But he is different physically and he has pace, and when we are throwing the kitchen sink at teams, I feel he could be an ideal battering ram.
Obviously time will tell, and if Fulham paid that kind of money for him, then I would expect a lot more from him than so far to date.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 23, 2017, 02:55:20 PM
Quote from: No one like Leggat on August 23, 2017, 02:07:24 PM
I can see I'm in the minority here because I can't see the things in AK that others seem too. I hope he comes good I really do, but did we really pay £5m for him? His control is all over the place, as is his shooting. He looks like a smaller version of Ade Akinfenwa to me but without the fear factor.
I know what you are saying, and I have also been critical of him for similiar reasons. Yes he is raw, and he couldn't trap a bag of spuds at the moment. But he is different physically and he has pace, and when we are throwing the kitchen sink at teams, I feel he could be an ideal battering ram.
Obviously time will tell, and if Fulham paid that kind of money for him, then I would expect a lot more from him than so far to date.
he's only played the equivalent of 1 1/2 league games this season. Lets give him a break, yeah?
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 23, 2017, 03:49:34 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 23, 2017, 02:55:20 PM
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I can see I'm in the minority here because I can't see the things in AK that others seem too. I hope he comes good I really do, but did we really pay £5m for him? His control is all over the place, as is his shooting. He looks like a smaller version of Ade Akinfenwa to me but without the fear factor.
I know what you are saying, and I have also been critical of him for similiar reasons. Yes he is raw, and he couldn't trap a bag of spuds at the moment. But he is different physically and he has pace, and when we are throwing the kitchen sink at teams, I feel he could be an ideal battering ram.
Obviously time will tell, and if Fulham paid that kind of money for him, then I would expect a lot more from him than so far to date.
he's only played the equivalent of 1 1/2 league games this season. Lets give him a break, yeah?
Yes it's early days, and to an extent I agree. These guys get well paid for what they do, and he cost enough to tell me he hasn't got time for a break, and we have lost enough points already, to sink a ship.
Fulham FC is not a holiday camp, where everyone has to be pampered till they get their act together. These players are supposed to be professional and even if your having a bad game, you can still run around, and run your heart out. One or two last night couldn't even be bothered to do that.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 23, 2017, 04:00:45 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 23, 2017, 03:49:34 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 23, 2017, 02:55:20 PM
Quote from: No one like Leggat on August 23, 2017, 02:07:24 PM
I can see I'm in the minority here because I can't see the things in AK that others seem too. I hope he comes good I really do, but did we really pay £5m for him? His control is all over the place, as is his shooting. He looks like a smaller version of Ade Akinfenwa to me but without the fear factor.
I know what you are saying, and I have also been critical of him for similiar reasons. Yes he is raw, and he couldn't trap a bag of spuds at the moment. But he is different physically and he has pace, and when we are throwing the kitchen sink at teams, I feel he could be an ideal battering ram.
Obviously time will tell, and if Fulham paid that kind of money for him, then I would expect a lot more from him than so far to date.
he's only played the equivalent of 1 1/2 league games this season. Lets give him a break, yeah?
Yes it's early days, and to an extent I agree. These guys get well paid for what they do, and he cost enough to tell me he hasn't got time for a break, and we have lost enough points already, to sink a ship.
Fulham FC is not a holiday camp, where everyone has to be pampered till they get their act together. These players are supposed to be professional and even if your having a bad game, you can still run around, and run your heart out. One or two last night couldn't even be bothered to do that.
We've lost 7 points with 126 left to play for... must be a pretty ropey ship.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 23, 2017, 04:05:16 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 23, 2017, 04:00:45 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on August 23, 2017, 03:49:34 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on August 23, 2017, 02:55:20 PM
Quote from: No one like Leggat on August 23, 2017, 02:07:24 PM
I can see I'm in the minority here because I can't see the things in AK that others seem too. I hope he comes good I really do, but did we really pay £5m for him? His control is all over the place, as is his shooting. He looks like a smaller version of Ade Akinfenwa to me but without the fear factor.
I know what you are saying, and I have also been critical of him for similiar reasons. Yes he is raw, and he couldn't trap a bag of spuds at the moment. But he is different physically and he has pace, and when we are throwing the kitchen sink at teams, I feel he could be an ideal battering ram.
Obviously time will tell, and if Fulham paid that kind of money for him, then I would expect a lot more from him than so far to date.
he's only played the equivalent of 1 1/2 league games this season. Lets give him a break, yeah?
Yes it's early days, and to an extent I agree. These guys get well paid for what they do, and he cost enough to tell me he hasn't got time for a break, and we have lost enough points already, to sink a ship.
Fulham FC is not a holiday camp, where everyone has to be pampered till they get their act together. These players are supposed to be professional and even if your having a bad game, you can still run around, and run your heart out. One or two last night couldn't even be bothered to do that.
We've lost 7 points with 126 left to play for... must be a pretty ropey ship.
It is at the moment, it has been becalmed on the sea.
All aboard have been struck down with yellow fever, limp legs hanging out of bunks, Yard arms with nobody to fasten them, and if you care to look at the hull, you will see a ruddy great hole in it.
That missed header last night has not endeared me to him, plus that shot in the first half from a very tight angle when he could have pulled it back to other players in the box.
Quote from: Bill2 on August 23, 2017, 04:23:35 PM
That missed header last night has not endeared me to him, plus that shot in the first half from a very tight angle when he could have pulled it back to other players in the box.
Aluko header on Saturday was much easier. Do you feel same about him?
Quote from: MJG on August 23, 2017, 04:58:38 PM
Quote from: Bill2 on August 23, 2017, 04:23:35 PM
That missed header last night has not endeared me to him, plus that shot in the first half from a very tight angle when he could have pulled it back to other players in the box.
Aluko header on Saturday was much easier. Do you feel same about him?
Didn't realise you were back mate!
Yep, that Aluko header was laughable
Quote from: JoelH5 on August 23, 2017, 05:02:18 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 23, 2017, 04:58:38 PM
Quote from: Bill2 on August 23, 2017, 04:23:35 PM
That missed header last night has not endeared me to him, plus that shot in the first half from a very tight angle when he could have pulled it back to other players in the box.
Aluko header on Saturday was much easier. Do you feel same about him?
Agreed Aluko's was poor. Looking at his chance last night he did almost everything right, powerful downward header and back to the post that the centre had come from. It was a foot wide - hardly a hanging offence as some are making out
Quote from: SG on August 23, 2017, 05:05:53 PM
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Quote from: MJG on August 23, 2017, 04:58:38 PM
Quote from: Bill2 on August 23, 2017, 04:23:35 PM
That missed header last night has not endeared me to him, plus that shot in the first half from a very tight angle when he could have pulled it back to other players in the box.
Aluko header on Saturday was much easier. Do you feel same about him?
Agreed Aluko's was poor. Looking at his chance last night he did almost everything right, powerful downward header and back to the post that the centre had come from. It was a foot wide - hardly a hanging offence as some are making out
Yep wasn't great but Aluko's was much worse. Center of the goal, 6 yards out. Puts it over haha
Quote from: JoelH5 on August 23, 2017, 05:02:18 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 23, 2017, 04:58:38 PM
Quote from: Bill2 on August 23, 2017, 04:23:35 PM
That missed header last night has not endeared me to him, plus that shot in the first half from a very tight angle when he could have pulled it back to other players in the box.
Aluko header on Saturday was much easier. Do you feel same about him?
Didn't realise you were back mate!
Yep, that Aluko header was laughable
like a bad penny
All signings are a gamble and I would say AK has shown enough in just 1 1/2 games to be given a bit more time. I agree that he may be more of an impact sub this year especially if Fonte is as good as those who saw the game Saturday are suggesting but at Leeds his work rate was good and he was bloody quick. He looked a bit one footed to me and doesn't have the natural trickery of Aluko or Kebano to go past people like that but he gives us an option and he won't get pushed around and had a terrific battle with the big Leeds CH, Jansen. I am not expecting even 10 goals from him this season but I do think he can offer us something we haven't got.
Too many more games firing blanks and his nickname will become Jaffa.
I'm not worried, the AK47 is the must reliable gun in the world!
Good comment above about strikers needing a goal to get them firing.
AK47 could be a modern Malcome McDonald, and I saw him (super Mac) in his first and only season at Fulham when as a bit part player was our top goal scorer with 5 goals before we sold him to Luton, where he scored Christ knows how many the next season.
Super Mac looked like a great player yet we gave him away, for those that think we are currently badly run, I recommend you research that era !
Regarding the header perhaps should have been on target, but from that distance would have been surprised if the I eeper wouldn't have gotnit if it was in target. Seemed the keeper was scrambling for sure but was he just making sure.
The right angle shot, well he is a striker and strikers shoot, maybe not the best choice but that's what they do.
Quote from: Riversider on August 23, 2017, 08:27:19 PM
Too many more games firing blanks and his nickname will become Jaffa.
What seedless?
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Quote from: JoelH5 on August 23, 2017, 05:02:18 PM
Quote from: MJG on August 23, 2017, 04:58:38 PM
Quote from: Bill2 on August 23, 2017, 04:23:35 PM
That missed header last night has not endeared me to him, plus that shot in the first half from a very tight angle when he could have pulled it back to other players in the box.
Aluko header on Saturday was much easier. Do you feel same about him?
Didn't realise you were back mate!
Yep, that Aluko header was laughable
like a bad penny
Welcome.
I thought he's looked very good generally, considering he's just arrived from a foreign league, with his strength and pace - at least he gets himself into positions to take shots/ headers on goal.
I can see him becoming a fans' favourite.
We need to be realistic with our expectations of AK47, we signed him from a poor league in which he had an acceptable goal scoring record at best.
It makes me smile when I come on here and read this thread then read comments on TIFF. According to some he is barely Conference standard at the very best. I have only seen him on the Fulham TV but he seems to have something about him.
Good raw talent and with the right coaching could be a good player, may take time though. Doesn't like a natural finisher but hopefully he'll improve there.
