Might as well let teams play without a keeper. Might as well if were gonna play without a striker. Stubborn for no ones benefit other than West Hams maybe. Even then not sure no strikers works in the prem
I'm so angry!
Sack him before its too late...lol
I wonder if he will rattle out the same comments again.
!We were far the better side,but we have to start taking our chances!...Its getting boring Slava.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 16, 2017, 05:24:15 PM
Sack him before its too late...lol
Lol yep. Obviously that's not what I want but I'm slowly losing it. You can't continuously play without a striker.
Jokanovic has no plan B. Its possession and only possession.
He is failing badly this season.
Its head scratching but the formulae that Jok and Fulham FC use is not working, maybe Nigel Clough can advise Jok where he is going wrong, cause not only have we no plan B, we have no plan A.
Jok is not proactive enough, he mainly reacts. But if they are not his players, then maybe he should leave it to Kline and Khan to make a pigs ear of it. Cause so far they are doing a great job of fouling up.
I don't and have never thought that SJ was that great. Imagine what Mick McCarthy could do with this squad!
Quote from: J.Perkins on September 16, 2017, 05:30:27 PM
Jokanovic has no plan B. Its possession and only possession.
He is failing badly this season.
Interesting comment. The infamous man on the train who told us in late June that Malone was off used part of your comment with "He is failing badly or has he found his level?"
None of the team from last year look like better players and there still seems to be no discernible pattern of play for the newbies to integrate into. Its all still harum scarum.
Slavisa should be ashamed of today. Appalling bench, subs and attitude towards the game.
tactics? 90 minutes with 70% possession and 2 shots on target is me and my mates Down the garden with jumpers for goalposts.
Quote from: AlexW132 on September 16, 2017, 05:44:37 PM
Slavisa should be ashamed of today. Appalling bench, subs and attitude towards the game.
Hands in pocket all game I tell ya something, if Kit Symons is slated for being ineffective from the touchline.....Slav has just matched him today.
Genuinely never believed for a second he would leave but after his ATTITUDE towards the match today I'm not ruling out him going to another club. Tell ya something though, good luck out smarting the prem managers who are tactically astute with better players if you can't even work it out against bloody Burton!
And I've got a week of stick off all these Ipswich Prix*
who live in Newmarket as they won..Aaaaaargh
Stats Boy manages to keep clear of all of this flack. Is the question "Can the player shoot at goal" included in his computer programme.
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on September 16, 2017, 05:49:11 PM
Quote from: AlexW132 on September 16, 2017, 05:44:37 PM
Slavisa should be ashamed of today. Appalling bench, subs and attitude towards the game.
Hands in pocket all game I tell ya something, if Kit Symons is slated for being ineffective from the touchline.....Slav has just matched him today.
Genuinely never believed for a second he would leave but after his ATTITUDE towards the match today I'm not ruling out him going to another club. Tell ya something though, good luck out smarting the prem managers who are tactically astute with better players if you can't even work it out against bloody Burton!
Agree Slav does nothing on the sideline vocally. He needs to be more aggressive
Quote from: filham on September 16, 2017, 05:50:46 PM
Stats Boy manages to keep clear of all of this flack. Is the question "Can the player shoot at goal" included in his computer programme.
So it's Kline's fault that our best striker is on the bench and the other one not even in the squad?
its like the Wilkins days pass pass pass them pass pass pass again
Quote from: AlexW132 on September 16, 2017, 05:51:29 PM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on September 16, 2017, 05:49:11 PM
Quote from: AlexW132 on September 16, 2017, 05:44:37 PM
Slavisa should be ashamed of today. Appalling bench, subs and attitude towards the game.
Hands in pocket all game I tell ya something, if Kit Symons is slated for being ineffective from the touchline.....Slav has just matched him today.
Genuinely never believed for a second he would leave but after his ATTITUDE towards the match today I'm not ruling out him going to another club. Tell ya something though, good luck out smarting the prem managers who are tactically astute with better players if you can't even work it out against bloody Burton!
Agree Slav does nothing on the sideline vocally. He needs to be more aggressive
And that song "he'll f******* murder ya"
Not from what I've seen. Unless they mean the lack of shots because yes....its slowly killing me now
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Quote from: filham on September 16, 2017, 05:50:46 PM
Stats Boy manages to keep clear of all of this flack. Is the question "Can the player shoot at goal" included in his computer programme.
So it's Kline's fault that our best striker is on the bench and the other one not even in the squad?
It's Kline's fault that our best striker is injury prone and the other one isn't good enough yes.
Reality is, whatever anyone thinks, because of our soppy recruitment system Slav has a ready-made excuse for that crap today, blame Khan and Kline, and he'll still leave us with his reputation intact, for a bigger club and more money
He can do and make up whatever he likes but let's not kid ourselves. Kamara not even on the bench but 6 wingers in the squad is ridiculous. Managers selections are suspect too
Bad performance. I hate how players don't get a chance. Jokanovic is not our biggest problem. He is however to blame in some regards. Our defence is better than last season. And I hold hope. We are not good or convincing. I will trust that we get that way. I hope I'm not wrong.
Quote from: Statto on September 16, 2017, 06:12:43 PM
Quote from: AlexW132 on September 16, 2017, 05:52:26 PM
Quote from: filham on September 16, 2017, 05:50:46 PM
Stats Boy manages to keep clear of all of this flack. Is the question "Can the player shoot at goal" included in his computer programme.
So it's Kline's fault that our best striker is on the bench and the other one not even in the squad?
It's Kline's fault that our best striker is injury prone and the other one isn't good enough yes.
Reality is, whatever anyone thinks, because of our soppy recruitment system Slav has a ready-made excuse for that crap today, blame Khan and Kline, and he'll still leave us with his reputation intact, for a bigger club and more money
Nice to see you've written Kamara off already even though he's been impressive, and Fonte because he's had one minor injury.
Have I woken up in the future? Are we now all against the manager who has given us an identity back and coached us to the playoffs when we were hopeless for at least three seasons previously?
Appalling result, sure, and not a great start. But we're far from out of touch and with some of our key players still to return from injury.
Well observed as if a team mirrors their manager standing on the touchline with hands in pockets and quiet as a mouse without any reaction or passion.
Then Jok makes Kit Symons look like an extrovert.
Because there is no excuse for losing the way we lost.
What is more worrying is that Jok looked clueless with no presence, which was the complete opposite to the passionate and big hearted Nigel Clough who had far less resources to use and play with. Yet his team turned Fulham over.
I've always wondered why people automatically think that just because a manger is not shouting he is rubbish. Like managers that shout loud instructions all the time are the best ones??
Why does everyone suddenly care again about the manager doing a Neil Warnock on the sidelines?
Genuinely interested as to what difference an angry coach is likely to make?
Quote from: PokerMatt on September 16, 2017, 06:29:47 PM
Have I woken up in the future? Are we now all against the manager who has given us an identity back and coached us to the playoffs when we were hopeless for at least three seasons previously?
Appalling result, sure, and not a great start. But we're far from out of touch and with some of our key players still to return from injury.
I fear Joks coaching abilities had little to do with key players suddenly clicking and a couple of teams folding. Those key players have not maintained that consistency or improved enough to take us onwards and upwards which indicates the coaching methodology is flawed or the players are'nt buying in.
Quote from: fashion140 on September 16, 2017, 06:36:26 PM
I've always wondered why people automatically think that just because a manger is not shouting he is rubbish. Like managers that shout loud instructions all the time are the best ones??
Most of the time Slav has a presence on the touchline. You can feel it even though he says very little. Today it was hands in pockets with no care in the world which isn't like him
Quote from: ScalleysDad on September 16, 2017, 06:39:55 PM
Quote from: PokerMatt on September 16, 2017, 06:29:47 PM
Have I woken up in the future? Are we now all against the manager who has given us an identity back and coached us to the playoffs when we were hopeless for at least three seasons previously?
Appalling result, sure, and not a great start. But we're far from out of touch and with some of our key players still to return from injury.
I fear Joks coaching abilities had little to do with key players suddenly clicking and a couple of teams folding. Those key players have not maintained that consistency or improved enough to take us onwards and upwards which indicates the coaching methodology is flawed or the players are'nt buying in.
You mean last season? I feel Joka had a great deal to do with the way we played. Moving cairney to #10, putting Stef in as box to box, rotating the front three were all things he changed that made us better.
But to each their own. If you put it down to coincidence then you can believe that.
The manager and the players have to take responsibility for this performance no excuses, three points down the drain. The worrying thing is that this is becoming a habit that needs to be arrested before the rot sets in. But indifferent team selection poor substitutions which are not particularly well timed, and mediocre game management is starting to become an issue.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 16, 2017, 06:32:36 PM
Well observed as if a team mirrors their manager standing on the touchline with hands in pockets and quiet as a mouse without any reaction or passion.
Then Jok makes Kit Symons look like an extrovert.
Because there is no excuse for losing the way we lost.
What is more worrying is that Jok looked clueless with no presence, which was the complete opposite to the passionate and big hearted Nigel Clough who had far less resources to use and play with. Yet his team turned Fulham over.
If he goes to West Spam,I hope not.
Then Cloughie Jnr is the boy to get in.
Quote from: PokerMatt on September 16, 2017, 06:43:33 PM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on September 16, 2017, 06:39:55 PM
Quote from: PokerMatt on September 16, 2017, 06:29:47 PM
Have I woken up in the future? Are we now all against the manager who has given us an identity back and coached us to the playoffs when we were hopeless for at least three seasons previously?
Appalling result, sure, and not a great start. But we're far from out of touch and with some of our key players still to return from injury.
I fear Joks coaching abilities had little to do with key players suddenly clicking and a couple of teams folding. Those key players have not maintained that consistency or improved enough to take us onwards and upwards which indicates the coaching methodology is flawed or the players are'nt buying in.
You mean last season? I feel Joka had a great deal to do with the way we played. Moving cairney to #10, putting Stef in as box to box, rotating the front three were all things he changed that made us better.
But to each their own. If you put it down to coincidence then you can believe that.
If I believed in coincidences I would never leave the house. I do believe in consistencies though and JOka has still not developed a style of play that makes us consistent as a team. Stef box to box was a joy to watch when he really fancied it but it was never a consistent and it was often shut down. Rotating the front three rarely worked until those odd occasions when everything clicked. How many times did this board bemoan the fact we could not hit a barn door, how Aluko or in his day Martin did not get involved or plea for a broad chested No.9?
We do not even try a 'ten minute model' these days where if we see a possible weakness we change tactics to test it, overload one flank, keep two up top, pepper shots at the Keeper or set up chances to get low pacey crosses in. A standard Championship back four will have Fonte and probably Ojo for breakfast but played to feet and in the box anything can happen. . . . . . but we don't. We just predictably pass the ball to death. Nigel Clough possibly said something along the lines of "hold the midfield and let them pass the ball to death" and I suspect that note appears on every other managers prep sheet nowadays.
You use the term 'making us better'. Respectfully I would say we have not progressed as required and it is not all down to one player being absent.
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Quote from: PokerMatt on September 16, 2017, 06:43:33 PM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on September 16, 2017, 06:39:55 PM
Quote from: PokerMatt on September 16, 2017, 06:29:47 PM
Have I woken up in the future? Are we now all against the manager who has given us an identity back and coached us to the playoffs when we were hopeless for at least three seasons previously?
Appalling result, sure, and not a great start. But we're far from out of touch and with some of our key players still to return from injury.
I fear Joks coaching abilities had little to do with key players suddenly clicking and a couple of teams folding. Those key players have not maintained that consistency or improved enough to take us onwards and upwards which indicates the coaching methodology is flawed or the players are'nt buying in.
You mean last season? I feel Joka had a great deal to do with the way we played. Moving cairney to #10, putting Stef in as box to box, rotating the front three were all things he changed that made us better.
But to each their own. If you put it down to coincidence then you can believe that.
If I believed in coincidences I would never leave the house. I do believe in consistencies though and JOka has still not developed a style of play that makes us consistent as a team. Stef box to box was a joy to watch when he really fancied it but it was never a consistent and it was often shut down. Rotating the front three rarely worked until those odd occasions when everything clicked. How many times did this board bemoan the fact we could not hit a barn door, how Aluko or in his day Martin did not get involved or plea for a broad chested No.9?
We do not even try a 'ten minute model' these days where if we see a possible weakness we change tactics to test it, overload one flank, keep two up top, pepper shots at the Keeper or set up chances to get low pacey crosses in. A standard Championship back four will have Fonte and probably Ojo for breakfast but played to feet and in the box anything can happen. . . . . . but we don't. We just predictably pass the ball to death. Nigel Clough possibly said something along the lines of "hold the midfield and let them pass the ball to death" and I suspect that note appears on every other managers prep sheet nowadays.
You use the term 'making us better'. Respectfully I would say we have not progressed as required and it is not all down to one player being absent.
Correct.
And as you say other teams will let us have the ball as well,and then hit us...We never have a plan b.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 16, 2017, 07:12:32 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 16, 2017, 06:32:36 PM
Well observed as if a team mirrors their manager standing on the touchline with hands in pockets and quiet as a mouse without any reaction or passion.
Then Jok makes Kit Symons look like an extrovert.
Because there is no excuse for losing the way we lost.
What is more worrying is that Jok looked clueless with no presence, which was the complete opposite to the passionate and big hearted Nigel Clough who had far less resources to use and play with. Yet his team turned Fulham over.
If he goes to West Spam,I hope not.
Then Cloughie Jnr is the boy to get in.
The passionate and big hearted Nigel Clough is definitely the man we should get in to guide this team to glory. Hope we sack Slav tomorrow and bring Clough in straight away or we risk losing him to one of the big teams in the Premier League.
Some people on here are starting to sound like club owners who have lost their bottle.
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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on September 16, 2017, 05:37:52 PM
Its head scratching but the formulae that Jok and Fulham FC use is not working, maybe Nigel Clough can advise Jok where he is going wrong, cause not only have we no plan B, we have no plan A.
Jok is not proactive enough, he mainly reacts. But if they are not his players, then maybe he should leave it to Kline and Khan to make a pigs ear of it. Cause so far they are doing a great job of fouling up.
Spot on. He's only the head coach. It's not his responsibility for choosing players that can't perform.
Oximoronal, isn't it?
Where's no goodboyo to tell Khan that we aren't the Jacksonville Jaguars and we need a running back. Isn't it?
After reading everyone's thoughts, it's become clear.
Our lack of cohesion causes us to play up or down depending the competition. It's a problem with many non PL clubs I'd think. Sadly we are prone. "Play up Pompey" came from somewhere.
Jokanovic is a stubborn coach, who fails to change things on and off the pitch.
He comes up with the same excuses every week, we need more fight, we need to take our chances more, the ref was poor. How about say how it's your fault we didn't win today?
The board have given him a squad capable of so much more. Look at the quality Burton have, we shouldn't even need to be in 2nd gear to beat them. Clough, as the rest of the league, have found Jokanovic out.
I honestly hope Birmingham make an approach for him. If he stays, shows he's committed and not ready to jump ship yet. If he goes, well, we lose a manager who has only won 3/10 games.
If we convert our chances and win 4-2, do you still sack him?
Is this seriously the mentality we have? I thought it was just a cliche to just say "sack the coach" after a loss, I didn't realize we gave up that quickly?
Baffling.
Quote from: Matt10 on September 17, 2017, 03:29:45 AM
If we convert our chances and win 4-2, do you still sack him?
Is this seriously the mentality we have? I thought it was just a cliche to just say "sack the coach" after a loss, I didn't realize we gave up that quickly?
Baffling.
I wish people would stop using that word "IF"
Point is we didn't convert them chances,and maybe that's down to the coach not playing with a striker.
For the amount of possession & pretty football that we play the amount of chances we create per game is pathetic.
Is Jokanovic guilty of any wrongdoing apart from having a egotistical boss whose 'my team' is not quite the cracker he though it looked on the computer screen. Of course there is still time for a comeback but surely all this business should have been done and dusted eighteen months ago, again one year ago, and again eight months ago by letting the coach at least have a say in all forms of team building. Just thinking about the points you have to throw away before a team clicks is tragic but then soccer and football ain't that similar in any parts of the USA......
Quote from: Matt10 on September 17, 2017, 03:29:45 AM
If we convert our chances and win 4-2, do you still sack him?
Is this seriously the mentality we have? I thought it was just a cliche to just say "sack the coach" after a loss, I didn't realize we gave up that quickly?
Baffling.
Tend to share this view. Maybe not our greatest performance, and I haven't seen the 90 minutes, but I bet Burton worked all week on how to get behind the ball and close down the important spaces, and yes, as Clough says they are better than last year. But yes, we lack a presence in the box. And this division is hugely competitive, look at Leeds v Millwall. And many games may be decided by fine margins - a penalty that looked incredibly harsh to me (compare that to the trip on Ayite the other week that wasn't given) and a glaring miss by Ojo. I know it's a ridiculous hypothesis, but if both of these go the other way, we run out 2-1 winners instead of losers. Point is, games will increasingly be decided by moments, and that includes referees' decisions.
Generally I like the way we play. And that's down to the manager. Remember, we still don't have arguably our most important player in the team. And Fonte may become the second.
Until we stop conceding goals and keep clean sheets we are going nowhere. The players are good enough it is down to how they are set up and play. That is down to the management team and how the team is set up
The problem is he has a limited amount of things he can do with this team. We have no plan B ever. We have not one target player so all he does is change the front three around during the match. He is on the wing, now he is in the middle. I am always puzzled by Sess being at wing back and not further up. I always think we are better with Odoi behind and Sess in front. Besides Sess is a poorer defender as Malone was.
However this side has never ever had a plan B. We have no forwards he trusts. We always play with a false number 9. When Fonte did come on did out tactics change?
Poor tactician is fair enough. But he has a squad of samey players. Take off one wide player and put on another. We will have good and bad days. But after last season not one of us can say we have a better team for him to work with.
Quote from: Statto on September 17, 2017, 10:13:03 AM
Quote from: J.Perkins on September 17, 2017, 03:25:50 AM
The board have given him a squad capable of so much more.
What is this statement based on?
The only evidence can be that Jokanovic had some of them playing well last year.
The new players are largely unknown quantities from lesser foreign leagues.
The only players that have been good anywhere else in England are Kalas and Norwood, and Norwood looks the worst of all for us ironically.
We needed more defensive depth, he got it.
We needed more midfield depth, he got it.
We needed more attacking depth, he got it.
The starting XI has lost 2 players. I'm quite certain Malone and Aluko weren't the glue that held the team together. So why are we so much poorer?
Quote from: Matt10 on September 17, 2017, 03:29:45 AM
If we convert our chances and win 4-2, do you still sack him?
Is this seriously the mentality we have? I thought it was just a cliche to just say "sack the coach" after a loss, I didn't realize we gave up that quickly?
Baffling.
The way we keep the ball and can play is superb. He's clearly focused on ball retention in training, and you can't argue that nearly every player we have can do that.
But nearly every player can't hit the target. I believe it shows a lack of finishing technique in training. He has 1 plan and 1 system only. And it's hurting us.
Quote from: SG on September 17, 2017, 09:58:54 AM
Until we stop conceding goals and keep clean sheets we are going nowhere. The players are good enough it is down to how they are set up and play. That is down to the management team and how the team is set up
This.
Quote from: J.Perkins on September 17, 2017, 10:16:00 AM
We needed more defensive depth, [Jokanovic] got it.
We needed more midfield depth, he got it.
We needed more attacking depth, he got it.
And your evidence that 'he got it' is a poor start to the season which followed an abysmal pre-season fiasco. In his summary SJ has said the players must show 'a desire to improve' and I take that to mean on the training ground so that the team will pick itself for him. Players must desire to play and it is clear that the players SJ leaves out of the squad are not showing that desire, are injured, or are simply not good enough. We are not scoring goals we should score and now we are conceding goals we should not concede. That is down to the players SJ has got and not SJ.
Quote from: toshes mate on September 17, 2017, 10:25:41 AM
Quote from: J.Perkins on September 17, 2017, 10:16:00 AM
We needed more defensive depth, [Jokanovic] got it.
We needed more midfield depth, he got it.
We needed more attacking depth, he got it.
And your evidence that 'he got it' is a poor start to the season which followed an abysmal pre-season fiasco. In his summary SJ has said the players must show 'a desire to improve' and I take that to mean on the training ground so that the team will pick itself for him. Players must desire to play and it is clear that the players SJ leaves out of the squad are not showing that desire, are injured, or are simply not good enough. We are not scoring goals we should score and now we are conceding goals we should not concede. That is down to the players SJ has got and not SJ.
Where is the defensive depth. We sold a reserve centre half and brought in a reserve centre half. No improvement there. Kalas just returned and we have to play Ream at centre half. Neither are good at defending high balls in the area. Both are very good at one on one situations. Midfield, yes we did bring in two reserve players. Up front we brought in one forward to replace Martin. Lost Aluko and brought in a reserve forward who may or may not be good enough to replace Woodrow. Plus wingers and wide players. Lots of them. Where is the depth? Just lots of players that play the same way.
I get the impression he's like me with my long term girlfriend after I've just met a new, tasty Italian girl in a wine bar. You don't put the same energy or effort into the mundane everyday things you used to enjoy together and she slowly starts to notice. If you can keep it up for a few weeks she will actually dump you and you're free to go off with who you want!
Is he dreaming of West Ham etc in sexy lingerie or have I taken this analogy too far?
In other words Lighthouse, SJ got nothing except what the recruitment team could muster out out of a multitude of choice. I agree with you that the recruitment has, until proven otherwise, not been good enough and it certainly hasn't been 'in depth' in defence. Elsewhere I think the standard has roughly been the same except that we still are not seeing an out and out goal scoring talent. I still believe we will come good in about a month's time, but players must inspire the head coach to play them.
Quote from: toshes mate on September 17, 2017, 10:40:06 AM
In other words Lighthouse, SJ got nothing except what the recruitment team could muster out out of a multitude of choice. I agree with you that the recruitment has, until proven otherwise, not been good enough and it certainly hasn't been 'in depth' in defence. Elsewhere I think the standard has roughly been the same except that we still are not seeing an out and out goal scoring talent. I still believe we will come good in about a month's time, but players must inspire the head coach to play them.
We will have good days like the Ipswich game. But I cannot see how a coach can change things when he has lots of square pegs and only the odd square hole. Trying to fit so many same shapes into different ......well you see where I am going with this. We had such a good second half to last season. But for a poor start we would have been in the top two. What we needed was improvement. We are down on last seasons start. Not sure we can expect such a great revival again. However good or bad the coach is. As you say the standard is roughly the same. But every club now knows what to expect. Put pressure on us and send high balls into our area.
Quote from: Statto on September 17, 2017, 10:31:29 AM
Quote from: J.Perkins on September 17, 2017, 10:16:00 AM
Quote from: Statto on September 17, 2017, 10:13:03 AM
Quote from: J.Perkins on September 17, 2017, 03:25:50 AM
The board have given him a squad capable of so much more.
What is this statement based on?
The only evidence can be that Jokanovic had some of them playing well last year.
The new players are largely unknown quantities from lesser foreign leagues.
The only players that have been good anywhere else in England are Kalas and Norwood, and Norwood looks the worst of all for us ironically.
We needed more defensive depth, he got it.
We needed more midfield depth, he got it.
We needed more attacking depth, he got it.
The starting XI has lost 2 players. I'm quite certain Malone and Aluko weren't the glue that held the team together. So why are we so much poorer?
Above all else We needed a striker to replace Martin... he didn't get it.
In all areas except the wings we lost at least as many players as we gained - dont forget Sigurdsson, Stearman, Parker, Thanos, LVC, Woodrow - so we haven't gained depth in terms of quantity.
There's this assumption that Djalo, Cisse, Mollo, Kamara et al are better quality but as I said, what's that based on other than YouTube highlights from the Kazakh 3rd tier and such like?
As for the existing players, Ream, Fredericks, Cairney, Johansen, McDonald et al, most were only good last year because Jokanovic coached them to play better than they had anywhere else in their respective careers, so I'm not going to hold it against the manager that they aren't playing to the same standard now.
Fonte is Martins replacement, Kamara Woodrow's. Are they an improvement? Yes.
Norwood and Cisse were LVC and Parker replacement. Same question? Yes.
Djalo and Soares replaced Sigurdsson and Malone. Once again? Yes.
And we have a multitude of wingers so there is a vast array of depth there.
Player performances is a coaching issue. You say the players aren't playing to a high enough standard. Button has improved. Fredericks much improved defensively. Kalas same standard, and Ream is doing superbly well. Sessegnon shouldn't be playing at LB, Odoi should. McDonald superb standards haven't dropped. I agree that the attacking players aren't playing to the same standards, but the fact that defense has improved, proves coaching issues attacking wise.
Djalo and Soares an improvement on Sigg and Malone.
On what evidence do you base this?
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 17, 2017, 11:27:22 AM
Djalo and Soares an improvement on Sigg and Malone.
On what evidence do you base this?
Sigurdsson was hopeless, any replacement was an upgrade.
Soares comes with glowing critics from the top tier of Portugese football with a £15m price put on him. Malone was average.
Quote from: J.Perkins on September 17, 2017, 11:29:38 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 17, 2017, 11:27:22 AM
Djalo and Soares an improvement on Sigg and Malone.
On what evidence do you base this?
Sigurdsson was hopeless, any replacement was an upgrade.
Soares comes with glowing critics from the top tier of Portugese football with a £15m price put on him. Malone was average.
This as you well know isn't really true. An injured player may have some wonderful write ups. But I prefer an average player that scores goals and plays at the top of his skill set. To a superb player who is on the treatment table. But when he is fit I am sure he will be wonderful. Fingers crossed he is ever fit. Sigurdson wasn't hopeless but wasn't good enough. There is no proof that his replacement is any improvement as he is not good enough to make the team yet. Not one of the players we brought in has proved that they are any more than improvements on squad players that struggled to get in the team. Fonte has been injured and showed he is a clever player. But then an injured great player is not any improvement on an average fit one.
Quote from: toshes mate on September 17, 2017, 10:40:06 AM
In other words Lighthouse, SJ got nothing except what the recruitment team could muster out out of a multitude of choice. I agree with you that the recruitment has, until proven otherwise, not been good enough and it certainly hasn't been 'in depth' in defence. Elsewhere I think the standard has roughly been the same except that we still are not seeing an out and out goal scoring talent. I still believe we will come good in about a month's time, but players must inspire the head coach to play them.
Maybe the head coach should be doing the inspiring . I think he gets away with a lot due to our style of play. Things had better start to improve or there may be some difficult conversations being had. I always say the table starts to take shape only after 10 games. It looks at the moment as if we are heading for mid table mediocrity
and Fonte when he came on was dropping back into midfield
Quote from: SG on September 17, 2017, 01:00:48 PM
Maybe the head coach should be doing the inspiring . I think he gets away with a lot due to our style of play. Things had better start to improve or there may be some difficult conversations being had. I always say the table starts to take shape only after 10 games. It looks at the moment as if we are heading for mid table mediocrity
At this level you are required to inspire yourself to the standard demanded by the coaching staff at training. Players are paid loads of money and they should work for it. SJ's job is to sort the players who cut the mustard from those who don't and we know he does that very well indeed. None of the newbies has set the world on fire and whilst it may happen, until it does, you cannot say anyone was an upgrade. Untried, untested, and mostly unknown quantities at Championship level (unlike Aluko, Martin and Malone).
Can't believe the people on this site ripping into SJ. It was only a couple of month's ago everyone was petrified he was going to leave and the main priority was to hold onto him. We played the best football in the championship last year and exceeded expectations. We have some main players out through injury and we lose two games out of eight, both by the odd goal. SJ is now seemingly clueless and should be replaced by Nigel Clough of all people ! God help us..
Quote from: EastEndWhite on September 16, 2017, 10:47:50 PM
Some people on here are starting to sound like club owners who have lost their bottle.
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:54:Spot on, what happens if we win the next game convincingly do we start proclaiming Joka as the 2nd coming. Wolves are the only team looking like they are slowly it together, Looking at the stats and reports Millwall played Leeds off the park and Cardiff snatched a late draw. Lets wait ans see how we perform with new players fit and bedded and Cairney back. Then Joka has a selection problem to contend with and different options available. I find it laughable the claims by Fans from Villa, Leeds & QPR(although they have calmed down lately) being far too good for this league and having the best squad. This league is tough anyone can beat anyone.
If all the players are not on their game or ref is off his game then its going to be very tough, we need all our players to take their chances when they are presented and not be so wasteful and things will start looking better. 049:gif
Not one of your better posts Danny .
