This time last season we had 13 points as opposed to this seasons 10. We had won three games as opposed to this seasons two. Last season, we went into October and suffered several bad games including losing twice at home to Bristol. city and also QPR. Then golly gosh, we only went and reached the play-offs which only goes to prove that at this stage of the season, nothing is predictable.
Indeed we flattered to deceive in August, suffered a less than pleasant late summer and early Autumn, still looked inconsistent approaching winter, and yet played the opposition into the ground by April. Nothing is determined in the opening salvos of any competition and it is where you are on the last day of the season that counts.
Quote from: Peabody on September 18, 2017, 08:55:03 AM
This time last season we had 13 points as opposed to this seasons 10. We had won three games as opposed to this seasons two. Last season, we went into October and suffered several bad games including losing twice at home to Bristol. city and also QPR. Then golly gosh, we only went and reached the play-offs which only goes to prove that at this stage of the season, nothing is predictable.
You know what happened after Villa away, there was a change in style. We abandoned the pass mastery style into quick and effective attacking possession football.
This needs to happen this season. Our current style cannot continue, and there has been no evidence over the past season and 10 games that we have a back up style.
Quote from: Peabody on September 18, 2017, 08:55:03 AM
This time last season we had 13 points as opposed to this seasons 10. We had won three games as opposed to this seasons two. Last season, we went into October and suffered several bad games including losing twice at home to Bristol. city and also QPR. Then golly gosh, we only went and reached the play-offs which only goes to prove that at this stage of the season, nothing is predictable.
:plus one:
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Quote from: J.Perkins on September 18, 2017, 09:21:09 AM
Quote from: Peabody on September 18, 2017, 08:55:03 AM
This time last season we had 13 points as opposed to this seasons 10. We had won three games as opposed to this seasons two. Last season, we went into October and suffered several bad games including losing twice at home to Bristol. city and also QPR. Then golly gosh, we only went and reached the play-offs which only goes to prove that at this stage of the season, nothing is predictable.
You know what happened after Villa away, there was a change in style. We abandoned the pass mastery style into quick and effective attacking possession football.
This needs to happen this season. Our current style cannot continue, and there has been no evidence over the past season and 10 games that we have a back up style.
I seem to remember that your exact words were what was being said last year.
They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats. Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.
Quote from: Keynsham on September 18, 2017, 09:49:28 AM
They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats. Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.
I started one of those threads and I'm normally optimistic when it comes to the current regime
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on September 18, 2017, 09:56:23 AM
Quote from: Keynsham on September 18, 2017, 09:49:28 AM
They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats. Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.
I started one of those threads and I'm normally optimistic when it comes to the current regime
Then I wasn't talking about you in that case?
Disagree, we knew in June 2016 that we were losing our two main strikers. What have we got instead? A sick note and a striker who Slav obviously doesn't feel is good enough. You can't defend the indefensible. We needed a top quality striker with championship experience who was good To go at the beginning of August last year let alone this August not half way through the season
Quote from: Keynsham on September 18, 2017, 09:58:44 AM
Quote from: dannyboi-ffc on September 18, 2017, 09:56:23 AM
Quote from: Keynsham on September 18, 2017, 09:49:28 AM
They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats. Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.
I started one of those threads and I'm normally optimistic when it comes to the current regime
Then I wasn't talking about you in that case?
Lol. It's not the end of the world but I was proper wound up with the team on Saturday . We all have those days, certainly don't want Joka to leave but it needs to click sooner rather than later.
Oh for sure, it's frustrating mate, very frustrating. But we'll get it right, I'm sure of that.
I thought we over achieved last season and were inconsistent at different parts in that season. I hoped for a top six finish again this season with more cover in the squad for injuries.
Well we are still inconsistent and whether the cover for injuries is there or not depends on how well the new players gel.
For me the jury's out still and we have a lot of games to go, but we are still capable of a top 6 finish IMO.
I will be at the Boro game and looking forward to it, Lets get behind the team as there is still all to fight for.
COYW
We can't change the squad until January and changing our passing / possession style of play doesn't seem particularly likely to succeed.
So what to do differently? My suggestion is that if we have a fit and willing striker available, we put them up front. Strikers are different to interchangeable position attackers. Defenders have to think about them in different ways. They create confusion, uncertainty and space. That's when goals happen.
Quote from: Carborundum on September 18, 2017, 10:53:04 AM
My suggestion is that if we have a fit and willing striker available, we put them up front.
The 'if' in that sentence will fly over Mr Perkins' head.....
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Quote from: Keynsham on September 18, 2017, 09:49:28 AM
They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats. Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.
I started one of those threads and I'm normally optimistic when it comes to the current regime
Likewise for me
Quote from: Wex on September 18, 2017, 10:01:41 AM
Disagree, we knew in June 2016 that we were losing our two main strikers. What have we got instead? A sick note and a striker who Slav obviously doesn't feel is good enough. You can't defend the indefensible. We needed a top quality striker with championship experience who was good To go at the beginning of August last year let alone this August not half way through the season
a) a player who has been injured for 2 games isn't a sick-note, just injured. If he's injured again this side of Xmas (for a period of time, not two weeks) then I'll partially concede this point. However, see: Fredericks - was out start of last season and the season before...now a mainstay #fakenews
b) There's no evidence that Slav doesn't think Kamara is good enough - he's starting him slowly which managers do with new players (I refer you to Mkhitarayan at Utd who played alot less than Kamara by this point last seas and went on to be a starter, see also: Kebano)
c) Currently, there is no indefensible, only defensible. (It was literally 3 weeks ago that people were saying we'd had a good window)
d)and which championship striker that transferred in the season that meets your requirements transferred before Aug 1st pray tell that we'd have afforded. (hint: I work in statistics and have already fact-checked this point) Before you say Assombalonga, I thought we didn't want a sick-note. (refer: point a and our post - quoted)
e)8/46 = not halfway (hint: that's maths)
f) We lost our main two strikers before the start of last season, which coincided with us having our best season for 4-5 years (hint: that's history)
Now moan away, but keep it on point and factual.
Sorry but we finished last season performing so well, all that was needed was to keep our first eleven intact, add a striker and a couple of back up midfielders and we should have been favourites for promotion.
We have failed dismally and the only excuse is the mysterious injury to Cairney.
Unlikely that we will again turn things around sufficiently to put us in the promotion race that we all expected.
Was having a chat with someone who knows cairneys mum after Burton game
T.C could be out for a few weeks.
Quote from: filham on September 18, 2017, 12:22:48 PM
Sorry but we finished last season performing so well, all that was needed was to keep our first eleven intact, add a striker and a couple of back up midfielders and we should have been favourites for promotion.
We have failed dismally and the only excuse is the mysterious injury to Cairney.
Unlikely that we will again turn things around sufficiently to put us in the promotion race that we all expected
We shall see
Quote from: Peabody on September 18, 2017, 08:55:03 AM
This time last season we had 13 points as opposed to this seasons 10. We had won three games as opposed to this seasons two. Last season, we went into October and suffered several bad games including losing twice at home to Bristol. city and also QPR. Then golly gosh, we only went and reached the play-offs which only goes to prove that at this stage of the season, nothing is predictable.
Comparing this year with the same time last year is one way to look at it.
A better way for our management should have been to compare the way we started this season vs the way we finished last season. We should have aimed to maintain or improve over that period by retaining our best players and strengthening in the few areas we had weaknesses
Quote from: Statto on September 18, 2017, 01:10:30 PM
Quote from: hovewhite on September 18, 2017, 12:27:57 PM
Was having a chat with someone who knows cairneys mum after Burton game
T.C could be out for a few weeks.
Careful, I said that a couple of weeks ago and got all sorts of abuse on here
With respect, you said until Xmas, which is a few months. You cant read that though as you blocked me.
Last season, 85 goals scored, aggregate score...Fulham 9 Huddersfield 1.....what has just happened? :58: I am sure it will all get better. I am looking forward to my next visit to UK in time for the Derby Co. game so until then I am taking S001.gif
Quote from: jarv on September 18, 2017, 01:44:31 PM
Last season, 85 goals scored, aggregate score...Fulham 9 Huddersfield 1.....what has just happened? :58: I am sure it will all get better. I am looking forward to my next visit to UK in time for the Derby Co. game so until then I am taking S001.gif
As somebody said in another thread. We had only scored 8 in 9 last season. We will gel and be fine.
Quote from: Statto on September 18, 2017, 01:10:30 PM
Quote from: hovewhite on September 18, 2017, 12:27:57 PM
Was having a chat with someone who knows cairneys mum after Burton game
T.C could be out for a few weeks.
Careful, I said that a couple of weeks ago and got all sorts of abuse on here
thanks for that ,but belive what ive been told.but thanks again!
Quote from: Keynsham on September 18, 2017, 09:49:28 AM
They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats. Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.
It is a forum for different views,and if people are not happy they have a right to say so.
What do you want everyone of us to constantly agree how wonderful Slava is and Sess can do no wrong,and we should all be dancing with pixies at the bottom of the garden and toasting marshmallows.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 18, 2017, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: Keynsham on September 18, 2017, 09:49:28 AM
They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats. Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.
It is a forum for different views,and if people are not happy they have a right to say so.
What do you want everyone of us to constantly agree how wonderful Slava is and Sess can do no wrong,and we should all be dancing with pixies at the bottom of the garden and toasting marshmallows.
All I ask for factual arguments rather than emotional. Most negativity is based on emotion and can be picked apart fairly simply. Also the fact that those who have a pop then don't post when things are going well also erks me.
It's also always Khans or Klines fault, bad things happen, good things happen, we could be wiped out by North Korea, perspective.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 18, 2017, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: Keynsham on September 18, 2017, 09:49:28 AM
They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats. Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.
It is a forum for different views,and if people are not happy they have a right to say so.
What do you want everyone of us to constantly agree how wonderful Slava is and Sess can do no wrong,and we should all be dancing with pixies at the bottom of the garden and toasting marshmallows.
It doesn't have to be that black and white (ho ho ho!) does it? I mean, there is a vast amount of in-between there, isn't there, right?
All that I said was it is the same people creating the same threads that they do everytime there is a sticky patch. It's often rare that they are seen again afterwards until the next sticky patch too. Nothing that I said had anything to do with how well people are performing, just that when it is perceived that they are underperforming, we know who will be posting first.
And in this instance, where is the 'fact' that this is 'Stats Boy's' fault?
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on September 18, 2017, 03:24:45 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 18, 2017, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: Keynsham on September 18, 2017, 09:49:28 AM
They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats. Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.
It is a forum for different views,and if people are not happy they have a right to say so.
What do you want everyone of us to constantly agree how wonderful Slava is and Sess can do no wrong,and we should all be dancing with pixies at the bottom of the garden and toasting marshmallows.
All I ask for factual arguments rather than emotional. Most negativity is based on emotion and can be picked apart fairly simply. Also the fact that those who have a pop then don't post when things are going well also erks me.
It's also always Khans or Klines fault, bad things happen, good things happen, we could be wiped out by North Korea, perspective.
Ok then. factually, we look worse than last year and are dropping points against teams we bested last year. We look toothless, both at home and away and I personally think its down to poor recruitment. We identified key areas and did well to boost said areas but having not had a striker recently and adequate replacements for starters, its harming our position in the table. We are fortunate to only be 7 points behind top, but, in my humble opinion, should be capitalising on games like Burton away to close the gap. Its my personal belief, that, if we can't close off teams like Wednesday at Home, its vital we beat teams like Burton away. Also in perspective, both Hull and Burton, had been thoroughly beaten in prior games only for us to scrape a win, and lose. Regardless of refereeing decisions, we need to start finishing off chances we do have, as we dont create half as many as we did last year. I DO think it will get better, but thats only because we've been really poor and at times, fortunate recently.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 18, 2017, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: Keynsham on September 18, 2017, 09:49:28 AM
They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats. Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.
It is a forum for different views,and if people are not happy they have a right to say so.
What do you want everyone of us to constantly agree how wonderful Slava is and Sess can do no wrong,and we should all be dancing with pixies at the bottom of the garden and toasting marshmallows.
Not forgetting mischievous Elves with swollen heads in the land of the Goblins.
As you say mince, everyone has different views, and people to believe what they want to believe then so be it. But as you say, how can anyone be overjoyed with the start we have had. It's not a disaster, of course not. But all this stuff about in so and so we trust is straight out of the Book of Cobblers.
The squad is unbalanced and there is nothing we can do about it, but not as unbalanced as the stats merchants, nuisance number one and nuisance number two.
Let's hope that Jok can install some grit and determination and start picking the best team to start matches, who are fit to start and no passengers on the bench, cause v Burton we had passengers, who thought they could breeze their way through a match like that.
Well let's hope they and the manager have learnt an expensive lesson.
We will see over the next half dozen matches, whether we go up the ladder or down the snake.
Jok has to read the riot act as well as pick a team that will save his life, and players have to man up and grow a pair and show the character they showed on a number of occasions last season, and shake off this soft underbelly. Cause this League ain't no picnic.
Quote from: Wex on September 18, 2017, 10:01:41 AM
Disagree, we knew in June 2016 that we were losing our two main strikers. What have we got instead? A sick note and a striker who Slav obviously doesn't feel is good enough. You can't defend the indefensible. We needed a top quality striker with championship experience who was good To go at the beginning of August last year let alone this August not half way through the season
This has been posted innumerable times. Really its :dead horse: along with being without merit. Read what Peabody wrote.
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 18, 2017, 04:08:12 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on September 18, 2017, 03:24:45 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 18, 2017, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: Keynsham on September 18, 2017, 09:49:28 AM
They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats. Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.
It is a forum for different views,and if people are not happy they have a right to say so.
What do you want everyone of us to constantly agree how wonderful Slava is and Sess can do no wrong,and we should all be dancing with pixies at the bottom of the garden and toasting marshmallows.
All I ask for factual arguments rather than emotional. Most negativity is based on emotion and can be picked apart fairly simply. Also the fact that those who have a pop then don't post when things are going well also erks me.
It's also always Khans or Klines fault, bad things happen, good things happen, we could be wiped out by North Korea, perspective.
Ok then. factually, we look worse than last year and are dropping points against teams we bested last year. We look toothless, both at home and away and I personally think its down to poor recruitment. We identified key areas and did well to boost said areas but having not had a striker recently and adequate replacements for starters, its harming our position in the table. We are fortunate to only be 7 points behind top, but, in my humble opinion, should be capitalising on games like Burton away to close the gap. Its my personal belief, that, if we can't close off teams like Wednesday at Home, its vital we beat teams like Burton away. Also in perspective, both Hull and Burton, had been thoroughly beaten in prior games only for us to scrape a win, and lose. Regardless of refereeing decisions, we need to start finishing off chances we do have, as we dont create half as many as we did last year. I DO think it will get better, but thats only because we've been really poor and at times, fortunate recently.
By worse, do you mean drawing with Wigan 0-0, or losing at home 1-4 at home to Bristol City, after losing to them a few days earlier in the cup, or perhaps you are referring to losing at home to QPR and missing two pens in the process
Quote from: Peabody on September 18, 2017, 12:40:43 PM
Quote from: filham on September 18, 2017, 12:22:48 PM
Sorry but we finished last season performing so well, all that was needed was to keep our first eleven intact, add a striker and a couple of back up midfielders and we should have been favourites for promotion.
We have failed dismally and the only excuse is the mysterious injury to Cairney.
Unlikely that we will again turn things around sufficiently to put us in the promotion race that we all expected
We shall see
[/quote Of couse I should add that I really hope to be proved wrong and have to eat my words.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on September 18, 2017, 11:57:18 AM
Quote from: Wex on September 18, 2017, 10:01:41 AM
Disagree, we knew in June 2016 that we were losing our two main strikers. What have we got instead? A sick note and a striker who Slav obviously doesn't feel is good enough. You can't defend the indefensible. We needed a top quality striker with championship experience who was good To go at the beginning of August last year let alone this August not half way through the season
a) a player who has been injured for 2 games isn't a sick-note, just injured. If he's injured again this side of Xmas (for a period of time, not two weeks) then I'll partially concede this point. However, see: Fredericks - was out start of last season and the season before...now a mainstay #fakenews
b) There's no evidence that Slav doesn't think Kamara is good enough - he's starting him slowly which managers do with new players (I refer you to Mkhitarayan at Utd who played alot less than Kamara by this point last seas and went on to be a starter, see also: Kebano)
c) Currently, there is no indefensible, only defensible. (It was literally 3 weeks ago that people were saying we'd had a good window)
d)and which championship striker that transferred in the season that meets your requirements transferred before Aug 1st pray tell that we'd have afforded. (hint: I work in statistics and have already fact-checked this point) Before you say Assombalonga, I thought we didn't want a sick-note. (refer: point a and our post - quoted)
e)8/46 = not halfway (hint: that's maths)
f) We lost our main two strikers before the start of last season, which coincided with us having our best season for 4-5 years (hint: that's history)
Now moan away, but keep it on point and factual.
You can't argue with facts. +1.
Peabody and Marcel Gecov are killing the opposition here.
Nogood "early drawers, isit" Boyo
Quote from: Peabody on September 18, 2017, 06:34:57 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 18, 2017, 04:08:12 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on September 18, 2017, 03:24:45 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 18, 2017, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: Keynsham on September 18, 2017, 09:49:28 AM
They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats. Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.
It is a forum for different views,and if people are not happy they have a right to say so.
What do you want everyone of us to constantly agree how wonderful Slava is and Sess can do no wrong,and we should all be dancing with pixies at the bottom of the garden and toasting marshmallows.
All I ask for factual arguments rather than emotional. Most negativity is based on emotion and can be picked apart fairly simply. Also the fact that those who have a pop then don't post when things are going well also erks me.
It's also always Khans or Klines fault, bad things happen, good things happen, we could be wiped out by North Korea, perspective.
Ok then. factually, we look worse than last year and are dropping points against teams we bested last year. We look toothless, both at home and away and I personally think its down to poor recruitment. We identified key areas and did well to boost said areas but having not had a striker recently and adequate replacements for starters, its harming our position in the table. We are fortunate to only be 7 points behind top, but, in my humble opinion, should be capitalising on games like Burton away to close the gap. Its my personal belief, that, if we can't close off teams like Wednesday at Home, its vital we beat teams like Burton away. Also in perspective, both Hull and Burton, had been thoroughly beaten in prior games only for us to scrape a win, and lose. Regardless of refereeing decisions, we need to start finishing off chances we do have, as we dont create half as many as we did last year. I DO think it will get better, but thats only because we've been really poor and at times, fortunate recently.
By worse, do you mean drawing with Wigan 0-0, or losing at home 1-4 at home to Bristol City, after losing to them a few days earlier in the cup, or perhaps you are referring to losing at home to QPR and missing two pens in the process
Well a poster asked us to present facts for this season. We haven't played those yet so its a false equivalence. When we do, we'll have a factual conversation about those games, until them, we can only draw on this seasons results.
Killing the opposition....ha
Quote from: NogoodBoyo on September 19, 2017, 12:08:00 AM
Peabody and Marcel Gecov are killing the opposition here.
Nogood "early drawers, isit" Boyo
Thankfully.
Personally think the squad is better than last year. i'm happy with the playing style as we are creating chances. I just think it comes down to mentality with this team. Our confidence is fragile, i think we need to put come characters in the team starting with Mollo and Odoi. I think these two have the right attitude to give to the team at the moment.
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Quote from: Peabody on September 18, 2017, 06:34:57 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 18, 2017, 04:08:12 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on September 18, 2017, 03:24:45 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 18, 2017, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: Keynsham on September 18, 2017, 09:49:28 AM
They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats. Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.
It is a forum for different views,and if people are not happy they have a right to say so.
What do you want everyone of us to constantly agree how wonderful Slava is and Sess can do no wrong,and we should all be dancing with pixies at the bottom of the garden and toasting marshmallows.
All I ask for factual arguments rather than emotional. Most negativity is based on emotion and can be picked apart fairly simply. Also the fact that those who have a pop then don't post when things are going well also erks me.
It's also always Khans or Klines fault, bad things happen, good things happen, we could be wiped out by North Korea, perspective.
Ok then. factually, we look worse than last year and are dropping points against teams we bested last year. We look toothless, both at home and away and I personally think its down to poor recruitment. We identified key areas and did well to boost said areas but having not had a striker recently and adequate replacements for starters, its harming our position in the table. We are fortunate to only be 7 points behind top, but, in my humble opinion, should be capitalising on games like Burton away to close the gap. Its my personal belief, that, if we can't close off teams like Wednesday at Home, its vital we beat teams like Burton away. Also in perspective, both Hull and Burton, had been thoroughly beaten in prior games only for us to scrape a win, and lose. Regardless of refereeing decisions, we need to start finishing off chances we do have, as we dont create half as many as we did last year. I DO think it will get better, but thats only because we've been really poor and at times, fortunate recently.
By worse, do you mean drawing with Wigan 0-0, or losing at home 1-4 at home to Bristol City, after losing to them a few days earlier in the cup, or perhaps you are referring to losing at home to QPR and missing two pens in the process
Well a poster asked us to present facts for this season. We haven't played those yet so its a false equivalence. When we do, we'll have a factual conversation about those games, until them, we can only draw on this seasons results.
Killing the opposition....ha
I think you are missing the point, I deliberately used the term perspectiv e because whilst last seasons results are slightly better, they are not that much better but it remains to be seen as to how that translates, until the end of this season.
Quote from: Jimmy Hill on September 19, 2017, 10:51:49 AM
Personally think the squad is better than last year. i'm happy with the playing style as we are creating chances. I just think it comes down to mentality with this team. Our confidence is fragile, i think we need to put come characters in the team starting with Mollo and Odoi. I think these two have the right attitude to give to the team at the moment.
Considering how much everyone thought Mollo was a bench player who would never get in the team it's great that now he is viewed as somebody who can sort out this 'problem' we have.
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Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on September 18, 2017, 03:24:45 PM
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Quote from: Keynsham on September 18, 2017, 09:49:28 AM
They all start to crawl out of the woodwork after a couple of defeats. Just have a look at who has been starting threads since Saturday and you'll see that it's the same old mob, regurgitating the same old words in an almost gleeful manner.
It is a forum for different views,and if people are not happy they have a right to say so.
What do you want everyone of us to constantly agree how wonderful Slava is and Sess can do no wrong,and we should all be dancing with pixies at the bottom of the garden and toasting marshmallows.
All I ask for factual arguments rather than emotional. Most negativity is based on emotion and can be picked apart fairly simply. Also the fact that those who have a pop then don't post when things are going well also erks me.
It's also always Khans or Klines fault, bad things happen, good things happen, we could be wiped out by North Korea, perspective.
Ok then. factually, we look worse than last year and are dropping points against teams we bested last year. We look toothless, both at home and away and I personally think its down to poor recruitment. We identified key areas and did well to boost said areas but having not had a striker recently and adequate replacements for starters, its harming our position in the table. We are fortunate to only be 7 points behind top, but, in my humble opinion, should be capitalising on games like Burton away to close the gap. Its my personal belief, that, if we can't close off teams like Wednesday at Home, its vital we beat teams like Burton away. Also in perspective, both Hull and Burton, had been thoroughly beaten in prior games only for us to scrape a win, and lose. Regardless of refereeing decisions, we need to start finishing off chances we do have, as we dont create half as many as we did last year. I DO think it will get better, but thats only because we've been really poor and at times, fortunate recently.
By worse, do you mean drawing with Wigan 0-0, or losing at home 1-4 at home to Bristol City, after losing to them a few days earlier in the cup, or perhaps you are referring to losing at home to QPR and missing two pens in the process
Well a poster asked us to present facts for this season. We haven't played those yet so its a false equivalence. When we do, we'll have a factual conversation about those games, until them, we can only draw on this seasons results.
Killing the opposition....ha
I think you are missing the point, I deliberately used the term perspectiv e because whilst last seasons results are slightly better, they are not that much better but it remains to be seen as to how that translates, until the end of this season.
Actually, I was replying to another poster using my perspective on factual results. You replied to me with, what I call, irrelevant games from last season. Right now, we're dropping points against teams we didn't last year and relying on us picking up points against the toughest opposition, like say Newcastle last year, but until we see the actual results, its hard to speculate. Burton away and Sheffield at home and a number of draws, regardless of circumstance, will make our journey for automatic top 2, likely, out of our reach. Lots still to play for though, i'm just not convinced we're up to the task, especially right now.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on September 19, 2017, 11:07:23 AM
Quote from: Jimmy Hill on September 19, 2017, 10:51:49 AM
Personally think the squad is better than last year. i'm happy with the playing style as we are creating chances. I just think it comes down to mentality with this team. Our confidence is fragile, i think we need to put come characters in the team starting with Mollo and Odoi. I think these two have the right attitude to give to the team at the moment.
Considering how much everyone thought Mollo was a bench player who would never get in the team it's great that now he is viewed as somebody who can sort out this 'problem' we have.
'Problem'. So your happy/content with our results thus far this season?
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 19, 2017, 11:21:55 AM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on September 19, 2017, 11:07:23 AM
Quote from: Jimmy Hill on September 19, 2017, 10:51:49 AM
Personally think the squad is better than last year. i'm happy with the playing style as we are creating chances. I just think it comes down to mentality with this team. Our confidence is fragile, i think we need to put come characters in the team starting with Mollo and Odoi. I think these two have the right attitude to give to the team at the moment.
Considering how much everyone thought Mollo was a bench player who would never get in the team it's great that now he is viewed as somebody who can sort out this 'problem' we have.
'Problem'. So your happy/content with our results thus far this season?
I wasn't happy/content with our results last season either. I haven't ever been content since we had Dembele and Diarra in the middle and we stuffed Norwich.
We are hardly in crisis though, we lost to Burton, it happens, we dont need to act as if the skys falling in. If we'd have won we'd have been 7th-8th. I look at Palace, Brum etc and think christ it's not all bad, we beat Hull and Ipswich and have our best two players (maybe 3 - Soares) out with them to come back in.
We need to win a few games but it's not yet a problem, its a mild incovenience. its too early to start worrying.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on September 19, 2017, 11:30:49 AM
Quote from: FFC1987 on September 19, 2017, 11:21:55 AM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on September 19, 2017, 11:07:23 AM
Quote from: Jimmy Hill on September 19, 2017, 10:51:49 AM
Personally think the squad is better than last year. i'm happy with the playing style as we are creating chances. I just think it comes down to mentality with this team. Our confidence is fragile, i think we need to put come characters in the team starting with Mollo and Odoi. I think these two have the right attitude to give to the team at the moment.
Considering how much everyone thought Mollo was a bench player who would never get in the team it's great that now he is viewed as somebody who can sort out this 'problem' we have.
'Problem'. So your happy/content with our results thus far this season?
I wasn't happy/content with our results last season either. I haven't ever been content since we had Dembele and Diarra in the middle and we stuffed Norwich.
We are hardly in crisis though, we lost to Burton, it happens, we dont need to act as if the skys falling in. If we'd have won we'd have been 7th-8th. I look at Palace, Brum etc and think christ it's not all bad, we beat Hull and Ipswich and have our best two players (maybe 3 - Soares) out with them to come back in.
We need to win a few games but it's not yet a problem, its a mild incovenience. its too early to start worrying.
Oh, I 100% agree, its not a crisis. Just there are some problems that need addressing which I'm sure Slav and the team are doing.
