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Two of their fans just been grounded by police in B Park for kicking off.👺
Every team does it especially as Preston were on top. Lucky penalty and a mistake by their keeper is how they will look at it.
We look at it as a rare penalty we actually scored and a good finish and pressure by the lads after all the time added on.
Felt today deserved more time added on then the QPR match with the 9 minutes. The amount of time wasting was incredible. Their physio must have come on pitch 6/7 times, plus injury to ream. Let alone slow corners, and blocking our free kicks. Their number 11 and 4 the worst culprits. Counted 4 times in 5 mins their no 4 timewasted in first half, including picking up the ball from the center spot and throwing it away after one of their goals. Also their no.11 dribbled off with the ball and fought for it like it was open play after one free kick.
This needs to be addressed as it is a chronic issue we see exploited time and time again at the cottage
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Utter nonsense. Preston were the better team from start to finish. I don't know why they did time waste, they were great. Alex Neil has done a fab job.
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Utter nonsense. Preston were the better team from start to finish. I don't know why they did time waste, they were great. Alex Neil has done a fab job.
The scoreline flatters Preston. Alex Neil should be happy going away with a point. They ran out of steam in the second half. They will finish mid table by the end of the season.
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Utter nonsense. Preston were the better team from start to finish. I don't know why they did time waste, they were great. Alex Neil has done a fab job.
The scoreline flatters Preston. Alex Neil should be happy going away with a point. They ran out of steam in the second half. They will finish mid table by the end of the season.
Flatters Preston,they could have been 4 up at half time.
They should have put us to bed by half time.
Their tactics of feigning injuries and wasting time was utterly pathetic and the worse I've ever seen so they got what they deserved. I'll add them to the Reading bracket after that nonsense
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Utter nonsense. Preston were the better team from start to finish. I don't know why they did time waste, they were great. Alex Neil has done a fab job.
The scoreline flatters Preston. Alex Neil should be happy going away with a point. They ran out of steam in the second half. They will finish mid table by the end of the season.
Flatters Preston,they could have been 4 up at half time.
Exactly. What match did they watch????
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Utter nonsense. Preston were the better team from start to finish. I don't know why they did time waste, they were great. Alex Neil has done a fab job.
It was an even game until their first and then they slaughtered us for the rest of the first half. We battered them second half and got our reward. Preston are a good side with a good manager but I don't know where you got the 'better team from start to finish' part from.
I think Kalas has been poor imo since he came back.
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Enough said - beautiful drama
Utter nonsense. Preston were the better team from start to finish. I don't know why they did time waste, they were great. Alex Neil has done a fab job.
The scoreline flatters Preston. Alex Neil should be happy going away with a point. They ran out of steam in the second half. They will finish mid table by the end of the season.
Flatters Preston,they could have been 4 up at half time.
We should have been 2 up before they scored, we were all over them first 18 mins.
At the end of the day we rescued a point with a last gasp equaliser, and what a relief that was. We stretch our unbeaten run, it's a shame that at times we can be so fragile, and then we produce some quality football. That 96th minute goal shows we can fight back, but we have to start matches with more aggression and tenacity.
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Utter nonsense. Preston were the better team from start to finish. I don't know why they did time waste, they were great. Alex Neil has done a fab job.
Ah, a visitor from planet Zorb ... Welcome.
Have we overlooked the fact we could have been 2 ahead before they scored ?
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I think Kalas has been poor imo since he came back.
Sorry Mince, totally, I mean totally disagree. Kalas is the rock at the heart of our defence.
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Utter nonsense. Preston were the better team from start to finish. I don't know why they did time waste, they were great. Alex Neil has done a fab job.
Ah, a visitor from planet Zorb ... Welcome.
They were better after they scored but not before and second half Fulham were much the better side, although pushing forward is always going to give them a chance on the break. 71% possession more shots and more shots on target and their keeper being their MOM tells me they weren't the better side over the whole game.
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Utter nonsense. Preston were the better team from start to finish. I don't know why they did time waste, they were great. Alex Neil has done a fab job.
Ah, a visitor from planet Zorb ... Welcome.
Think I must be from a different planet I certainly saw a different match. I saw an almost perfect away performance against us. Their work rate was superb and they attacked with purpose.
Their game plan was decent in the first half but had a considerable amount of luck given the chances we had before they scored, plus their second goal so very lucky. They run out of puff on the hour mark so no not perfect, they need to work on their fitness more and less focus on diving and time wasting and maybe they would of won the game.
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Utter nonsense. Preston were the better team from start to finish. I don't know why they did time waste, they were great. Alex Neil has done a fab job.
Ah, a visitor from planet Zorb ... Welcome.
Think I must be from a different planet I certainly saw a different match. I saw an almost perfect away performance against us. Their work rate was superb and they attacked with purpose.
What an extraordinary view. Sgt Fulham was right when he said "It was an even game until their first and then they slaughtered us for the rest of the first half. We battered them second half and got our reward. Preston are a good side with a good manager but I don't know where you got the 'better team from start to finish' part from."
Would you believe that the Preston manager has just been winging on TV because he thinks the ref overran the 5 minutes extra time by a minute, which of course he was entitled to in view of all of the time wasting.
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Have we overlooked the fact we could have been 2 ahead before they scored ?
Dead right.
Don't agree with the view that Preston were that good, yes they did a great job on us first half, but as i said to my mate 'if they're gonna come after us like that, there'll be a price to pay for that later on '
So it proved.
Hugill is a thug, very limited ability, well dirty, don't like him.
Didn't like their typical championship tactics, reminded me of Reading and SW. Quite like being able to say that we don't indulge in such skullduggery and just play good football, that hopefully will bring us out on top in the end.
It was akin to our home match v Sheffield wed last season.
They were a good side with many decent players but resorted to the awful tactics endeavouring to win by them. Got their just deserts.
Quote from: filham on October 14, 2017, 09:32:56 PM
Would you believe that the Preston manager has just been winging on TV because he thinks the ref overran the 5 minutes extra time by a minute, which of course he was entitled to in view of all of the time wasting.
...yes, I can't believe he had the audacity to come out with that after his team's disgraceful display of timewasting and 'gamesmanship'. What a contrast to Joka's magnanimous reaction to the match and their performance; just shows the enormous gulf in class between the two managers.....
Three things changed the game in our favour.
1. Their number 24 went off injured after running us ragged on our right.
2. TC came on 2nd half and gave us some controll and class in the middle.
3. Mollo came on to replace a poor Johansen and scared them shi##ess.
We scrapped well and deserved the point.
Neil's whingeing is amazing. The game ran on as their keeper tried to run down the clock my feigning a head injury. Hence the extra minute and our beautiful goal. If you cheat you will get found out!!
Molly was cool. Great movement. TC fixed kid field.
Quote from: Robbie on October 14, 2017, 10:58:58 PM
Neil's whingeing is amazing. The game ran on as their keeper tried to run down the clock my feigning a head injury. Hence the extra minute and our beautiful goal. If you cheat you will get found out!!
Funny that, after his injury he limped up to place the ball and then ran up to kick it.
If he'd have been that injured he'd have asked a defender to take the kick.
Blatant or what.
Their coach/manager in the dugout also got out of the way as the ball rolled towards their dugout.
Most people would have stopped it and kicked or thrown onto the pitch
Slag
Thought that while they were certainly not pretty to watch they were bloody-minded, well-organised and effective. Totally stopped us playing for long periods of the first half and had enough chances to bury us. Cairney, even on one leg, made a huge difference and we just about deserved a point. Disagree about Hugill Thought he looked nippy for someone of his size, used his physique well and gave our centre backs a really hard afternoon.
Quote from: Tonywa on October 15, 2017, 12:24:18 AM
Thought that while they were certainly not pretty to watch they were bloody-minded, well-organised and effective. Totally stopped us playing for long periods of the first half and had enough chances to bury us. Cairney, even on one leg, made a huge difference and we just about deserved a point. Disagree about Hugill Thought he looked nippy for someone of his size, used his physique well and gave our centre backs a really hard afternoon.
"used his physique well" - well, yes to as degree, but most of that (hitting the defender before the ball has arrived) according to the laws of the game is foul play. I would need at least all my fingers to count the number of fouls that should have been awarded against him. I don't deny that PNE played well in the first half; our insistence to play cost us, as their pressure created maybe four of five good chances of which they converted two. But we had equally good chances .. converted zero. Score, and the dynamic of the game could have changed. I thought they did very well and looked dangerous, but at times we too looked as though we could score. So I didn't regard the first half as one-sided at all. We just came off second, and deservedly so .. thanks to their keeper, our finishing .. and their finishing .. if you see what I mean.
Their keeper made one mistake in the 96th minute and it cost them two points
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Utter nonsense. Preston were the better team from start to finish. I don't know why they did time waste, they were great. Alex Neil has done a fab job.
I don't know what game you were watching in the second half but we were all over them from kick off. We showed them up to be a long ball team who were very physical. If they hadn't done so much time wasting they would have won. There keeper kept them in the game especially with the double save in the first half.
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Utter nonsense. Preston were the better team from start to finish. I don't know why they did time waste, they were great. Alex Neil has done a fab job.
I don't know what game you were watching in the second half but we were all over them from kick off. We showed them up to be a long ball team who were very physical. If they hadn't done so much time wasting they would have won. There keeper kept them in the game especially with the double save in the first half.
They sat back in second half and tried to defend and hit us on the counter + their second half chances were better than ours. For a home side based in 1st and 2nd half together, it's not top six yet.
We had some early chances, but Preston were well better than we were over the first 70 mins. Then we got the penalty and they ran out of gas. Draw probably was fair on the balance, but I thought they were a good side. Lots of pressing and countering with quickness. We couldn't match their tempo until they tired.
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Neil's whingeing is amazing. The game ran on as their keeper tried to run down the clock my feigning a head injury. Hence the extra minute and our beautiful goal. If you cheat you will get found out!!
Funny that, after his injury he limped up to place the ball and then ran up to kick it.
If he'd have been that injured he'd have asked a defender to take the kick.
Blatant or what.
Their coach/manager in the dugout also got out of the way as the ball rolled towards their dugout.
Most people would have stopped it and kicked or thrown onto the pitch
Slag
Slag - love it lol!!
When Maguire went off with what looked like a hamstring - it changed the game - he had the beating of Denis all day. They were out on their feet after 70 mins - good draw in the end but PNE played well made us look very vulnerable to players running at us and their centre forward caused our centre backs trouble all day. It looked like TC still not fit to me but he started to exert the control we needed. Desperately missed penetration from our full backs - need Fredericks back ASAP and didn't think I would be saying this missed Malone today
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When Maguire went off with what looked like a hamstring - it changed the game - he had the beating of Denis all day. They were out on their feet after 70 mins - good draw in the end but PNE played well made us look very vulnerable to players running at us and their centre forward caused our centre backs trouble all day. It looked like TC still not fit to me but he started to exert the control we needed. Desperately missed penetration from our full backs - need Fredericks back ASAP and didn't think I would be saying this missed Malone today
We also missed a player like Chris Martin who could be an outlet when teams press us high like Preston did.
Preston's tactics from the start were to close down our distribution from Button. Poor control and slow distribution resulted in Preston winning the ball between the 18 yard box and the half way line far too often. We must learn to change tactics earlier and stop dilly dallying at the back. Preston's other tactic was to pump the ball high up to our centre backs and then deliberately jump into the centre backs often fouling them with a leading arm or elbow. These tactics were not picked up by the ref and especially by the linesman running the line on the Stevenage Road side. How Hugill was not punished for his persistent fouling is beyond me.
Quote from: Ronnief on October 15, 2017, 09:49:31 AM
Preston's tactics from the start were to close down our distribution from Button. Poor control and slow distribution resulted in Preston winning the ball between the 18 yard box and the half way line far too often. We must learn to change tactics earlier and stop dilly dallying at the back. Preston's other tactic was to pump the ball high up to our centre backs and then deliberately jump into the centre backs often fouling them with a leading arm or elbow. These tactics were not picked up by the ref and especially by the linesman running the line on the Stevenage Road side. How Hugill was not punished for his persistent fouling is beyond me.
You can rest assured that there will be other teams adopting similar tactics against us, we have to learn to deal with it.
Quote from: Ronnief on October 15, 2017, 09:49:31 AM
Preston's tactics from the start were to close down our distribution from Button. Poor control and slow distribution resulted in Preston winning the ball between the 18 yard box and the half way line far too often. We must learn to change tactics earlier and stop dilly dallying at the back. Preston's other tactic was to pump the ball high up to our centre backs and then deliberately jump into the centre backs often fouling them with a leading arm or elbow. These tactics were not picked up by the ref and especially by the linesman running the line on the Stevenage Rdoad side. How Hugill was not punished for his persistent fouling is beyond me.
yes that was so apparent to me right from the first whistle they pressed hard on our back four and continued to do so . Forcing us into slower build ups for attacks this nullifies our normal game of fast flowing passes through midfield that were so obvious last season.
It's very true to say opponents have recognised this and acting accordingly. Slav need to latch onto it and find a remedy
I thought Preston played us extremely well. As did Wednesday, Cardiff and Norwich.
As we all seem to see the same pressured tactics on us continually working and Joka has mentioned it on more than one occasion in various pre and post match interviews. It is not an option to rely on the refs. We know that this is standard Championship football. The question is what are the coaching staff and team going to do to combat it?
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Thought that while they were certainly not pretty to watch they were bloody-minded, well-organised and effective. Totally stopped us playing for long periods of the first half and had enough chances to bury us. Cairney, even on one leg, made a huge difference and we just about deserved a point. Disagree about Hugill Thought he looked nippy for someone of his size, used his physique well and gave our centre backs a really hard afternoon.
"used his physique well" - well, yes to as degree, but most of that (hitting the defender before the ball has arrived) according to the laws of the game is foul play. I would need at least all my fingers to count the number of fouls that should have been awarded against him. I don't deny that PNE played well in the first half; our insistence to play cost us, as their pressure created maybe four of five good chances of which they converted two. But we had equally good chances .. converted zero. Score, and the dynamic of the game could have changed. I thought they did very well and looked dangerous, but at times we too looked as though we could score. So I didn't regard the first half as one-sided at all. We just came off second, and deservedly so .. thanks to their keeper, our finishing .. and their finishing .. if you see what I mean.
Quite right about Hugill.
First half he looked good because Kalas and Ream were trying to play the ball. Second half, Ream in particular, waited for the inevitable back-in from Hugill and instead played the ball with his feet from a lower angle. They had him in the second half, just a shame the ref didn't see that he was always playing the man and never looked at the ball. I don't think he won a single actual header.
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Utter nonsense. Preston were the better team from start to finish. I don't know why they did time waste, they were great. Alex Neil has done a fab job.
I don't know what game you were watching in the second half but we were all over them from kick off. We showed them up to be a long ball team who were very physical. If they hadn't done so much time wasting they would have won. There keeper kept them in the game especially with the double save in the first half.
They sat back in second half and tried to defend and hit us on the counter + their second half chances were better than ours. For a home side based in 1st and 2nd half together, it's not top six yet.
Their second half chances were better than ours!! I am struggling to think of any clear cut chances they had in the second half. All their play was in the first half when they chased us down especially from stopping our keeper play the ball to feet, but that tactic is very tiring and is why they going down like flies with cramp in the second half.
Why is every one saying what a good side they are, I thought they were tactically astute, but that does not make them a good side and their main tactic was route 1 play long to Hugill and pick up the bones from any knock ons. Saying that I thought the second goal was a good solo effort.
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Utter nonsense. Preston were the better team from start to finish. I don't know why they did time waste, they were great. Alex Neil has done a fab job.
I don't know what game you were watching in the second half but we were all over them from kick off. We showed them up to be a long ball team who were very physical. If they hadn't done so much time wasting they would have won. There keeper kept them in the game especially with the double save in the first half.
They sat back in second half and tried to defend and hit us on the counter + their second half chances were better than ours. For a home side based in 1st and 2nd half together, it's not top six yet.
Their second half chances were better than ours!! I am struggling to think of any clear cut chances they had in the second half. All their play was in the first half when they chased us down especially from stopping our keeper play the ball to feet, but that tactic is very tiring and is why they going down like flies with cramp in the second half.
Why is every one saying what a good side they are, I thought they were tactically astute, but that does not make them a good side and their main tactic was route 1 play long to Hugill and pick up the bones from any knock ons. Saying that I thought the second goal was a good solo effort.
Their same guy on the left wing had like three terrific chances inside the box to end the match at 2-0 and blew all of them
I'm just glad some people have joined in the debate and saw what I saw.
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Enough said - beautiful drama
Utter nonsense. Preston were the better team from start to finish. I don't know why they did time waste, they were great. Alex Neil has done a fab job.
I don't know what game you were watching in the second half but we were all over them from kick off. We showed them up to be a long ball team who were very physical. If they hadn't done so much time wasting they would have won. There keeper kept them in the game especially with the double save in the first half.
They sat back in second half and tried to defend and hit us on the counter + their second half chances were better than ours. For a home side based in 1st and 2nd half together, it's not top six yet.
Their second half chances were better than ours!! I am struggling to think of any clear cut chances they had in the second half. All their play was in the first half when they chased us down especially from stopping our keeper play the ball to feet, but that tactic is very tiring and is why they going down like flies with cramp in the second half.
Why is every one saying what a good side they are, I thought they were tactically astute, but that does not make them a good side and their main tactic was route 1 play long to Hugill and pick up the bones from any knock ons. Saying that I thought the second goal was a good solo effort.
Their same guy on the left wing had like three terrific chances inside the box to end the match at 2-0 and blew all of them
Thank you.
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Saying that I thought the second goal was a good solo effort.
Although the deflection off of their own player absolutely killed Button, no chance he could readjust to save it at that pace.
QPR supporters were moaning about us time wasting at their place and our players going down to easily. Frustration when your behind always seem worse.
Difficult to complain about time wasting etc. when the way the matches are officiated makes it part of a game plan, and one which if the boot was on the other foot we would probably have done as well to wind down the clock. It's not great viewing, and it's frustrating to the team that are doing the chasing, but it is what it is.
Preston had our number in the first half, they played a high line, closed down quickly and throttled our preference to play out from the back and ultimately their two goals were down to us losing possession in a dangerous place.
Fair play to them, good tactics.
The key learnings are:
1. We need to be more ruthless when we carve out a chance. We had a couple of good opportunities to take the lead before they got their first goal.
2. We need a plan B for when other teams do play the way Preston did in the first half.
The second half was predominantly one-way traffic, although they did look dangerous on the break. Hats off to the team for never giving up, in the end the equaliser was well deserved and on balance a draw was probably a fair result.
It wouldn't surprise me if Preston end the season up there amongst the play offs, well organised, gritty and tenacious.
