That is two games in a row where we honestly deserved nothing.
We look soft, desynchronized on the ball, and too arrogant.
We will be lucky to break into the Top 6 with piss poor play like that.
Fonte is nothing.
Cisse should never have come on, he has almost zero game time, Mollo or Kebano are the obvious players to bring on.
Ayite had a mare, should have come off.
Subs should have been:
Cairney for Norwood
Mollo for Fonte
Kebano for Ayite.
Were actually in a false position for the season.
Apart from Ipswich and a couple of others we've been poor...Too lightweight been found out by teams and can't win at home..
Too much pretty stuff and not enough oooomph.
We are too short, too lightweight and have no outlet when being pressured.
Disapointing not to have addressed these issues in the transfer window. Poor recruitment and a lack of understanding of what's needed to get promotion.
No chance of the playoffs let alone top two.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on October 21, 2017, 05:01:06 PM
Were actually in a false position for the season.
Apart from Ipswich and a couple of others we've been poor...Too lightweight been found out by teams and can't win at home..
Too much pretty stuff and not enough oooomph.
spot on I've been saying all season top 12 would be good for us this season after our poor summer window. Not one of our 10 signings have made a starting 11 better than what we had last season. And now our top scorer is injured
Haven!t seen any of it. No chance is there that villa were good enough to keep us out?
We have to beat teams like Villa if we want top 6. They're not a top 6 team IMO. And sadly nor are we.
Do well to come top half, as our squad has been significantly weakened over the summer.
Question. Should Fonte be even in the football league?
We have won 4 in 13 matches, that tells us how much work needs to be done. It's not acceptable, but we have too many of the same type of players, and there is no way we will win many more matches this season unless we start keeping clean sheets, get a genuine striker and centre back, and find more leaders.
It tells you a lot when John Terry scores against us.
And if Cairney was fit enough for the bench he should have started.
Or is he set to be a 30 minute wonder this season ?
No forwards to pass to - Fonte had his goal at Ipswich and AK seems to be hufing and puffing. gayle wouldn't have been the answer but he would have been more effective.
But that's not SJ's fault
Change of mind since the 'Teams in' thread where I think you said similar to: 'that's the team right there'
We lost at Villa where we have lost many many times - wow!
You'll be singing the praises in a couple of weeks
Fickle Fulham Fans (FFF)
It's a long season, surely many thought that this game wasn't a gimme. We lost 2-1, the most common result statistically. We will be hovering around the playoffs all season, we all know a striker in Jan yawn yawn repeat and we may push into the interesting part of the table. 3 points from top six it's still October. Tight, unpredictable I'm strapped in, rather us here than a whipping boy in the premiership. Simples. S001.gif
I think we're missing Piazon. He has more guile when it comes to creating shooting opportunities.
We're missing Cairney.
End of.
Quote from: BestOfBrede on October 21, 2017, 05:20:14 PM
Change of mind since the 'Teams in' thread where I think you said similar to: 'that's the team right there'
We lost at Villa where we have lost many many times - wow!
You'll be singing the praises in a couple of weeks
Fickle Fulham Fans (FFF)
I hope we will be signing their praises soon as they have been pretty poor for most of the season
BBC London quote "no reason why Fulham shouldn't be in the playoffs or pushing for automatic, from what I've seen" and that's objective.
Quote from: BestOfBrede on October 21, 2017, 05:20:14 PM
Change of mind since the 'Teams in' thread where I think you said similar to: 'that's the team right there'
We lost at Villa where we have lost many many times - wow!
You'll be singing the praises in a couple of weeks
Fickle Fulham Fans (FFF)
Don't think anyone is being fickle at all,just pointing out our obvious weaknesses, and if you don't see them well that's down to you...We've as I've already said been poor,we've gone back since last season,poor signings.
Quote from: BestOfBrede on October 21, 2017, 05:20:14 PM
Change of mind since the 'Teams in' thread where I think you said similar to: 'that's the team right there'
We lost at Villa where we have lost many many times - wow!
You'll be singing the praises in a couple of weeks
Fickle Fulham Fans (FFF)
Seriously? Fickle? Did you watch the same game(s) as the rest of us these past few weeks
A 36 year old scores a header against our defence, where we have a ridiculous rule preventing the club from signing anyone over 28, you couldn't make it up.
But this farce will continue along with a lightweight short in stature leaderless team that currently couldnt beat a carpet.
Pray tell me where is the evidence to show anything is going to change. We are predictable which makes us vulnerable. We cannot keep a clean sheet, and with a defence far too small in stature that a 36 year old can rise above us and score with ease, and no genuine or orthodox striker.
On top of that, we are poor overal at set pieces at both ends of the pitch.
ayete had a mare ? What game were you watching my friend? He should have scored in the second half but apart from that he was our biggest threat!
Didn't see the game or hear any commentary, but looking at the stats the answer is obvious 68% possession and yet only 9 shots with 2 0n target. To me is nothing in front of goal, same as last year.
The problem with these threads that happen straight after a defeat is they are full of posters who didn't see the game and just listened to Jim.
Jim commentates like a fan. He gets frustrated and I think unintentionally puts a negative spin when we lose. He also seems to hate the building from the back.
I couldn't go but have spoken individually to a couple of groups that went. They all said we played ok. I spoke to a Villa mate who said that's the best they have played all season.
What is clear is that we have a conundrum up front. Fonte and Kamara shows no sign of clicking.
Slavisa seems to escape any criticism. Whilst I don't feel the need to criticise and FFC player or coach, I feel that the onus is on Slavisa to really show how good a coach he is.
Quote from: BedsFFC on October 21, 2017, 06:24:39 PM
The problem with these threads that happen straight after a defeat is they are full of posters who didn't see the game and just listened to Jim.
Jim commentates like a fan. He gets frustrated and I think unintentionally puts a negative spin when we lose. He also seems to hate the building from the back.
I couldn't go but have spoken individually to a couple of groups that went. They all said we played ok. I spoke to a Villa mate who said that's the best they have played all season.
What is clear is that we have a conundrum up front. Fonte and Kamara shows no sign of clicking.
Slavisa seems to escape any criticism. Whilst I don't feel the need to criticise and FFC player or coach, I feel that the onus is on Slavisa to really show how good a coach he is.
You make some good points, especially about Skavisa and his input.
However, we lost, and allowed them to play the best they have played all season. That's the players fault not the supporters. The stats show we had two thirds possession, because we passed endlessly across the back, whilst they pressed our back four.
They had twice as many shots, how come.
So much for stats. They had leaders, we did not, they were bigger and stronger and that's no coincidence.
Yes Slavisa has to take responsibility also. But If Khans son, and Khans sons best mate are picking the players to sign, then no wonder we are where we are.
As I have said, They had twice as many shots as us, why ?
No point playing Cairney in next three games. Wait for after next int break. A semi-fit Cairney would not have changed this result nor Bolton, Bristol and Wolves. 6 from next 9 is ok considering the way we are playing
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 21, 2017, 06:36:22 PM
Quote from: BedsFFC on October 21, 2017, 06:24:39 PM
The problem with these threads that happen straight after a defeat is they are full of posters who didn't see the game and just listened to Jim.
Jim commentates like a fan. He gets frustrated and I think unintentionally puts a negative spin when we lose. He also seems to hate the building from the back.
I couldn't go but have spoken individually to a couple of groups that went. They all said we played ok. I spoke to a Villa mate who said that's the best they have played all season.
What is clear is that we have a conundrum up front. Fonte and Kamara shows no sign of clicking.
Slavisa seems to escape any criticism. Whilst I don't feel the need to criticise and FFC player or coach, I feel that the onus is on Slavisa to really show how good a coach he is.
You make some good points, especially about Skavisa and his input.
However, we lost, and allowed them to play the best they have played all season. That's the players fault not the supporters. The stats show we had two thirds possession, because we passed endlessly across the back, whilst they pressed our back four.
They had twice as many shots, how come.
So much for stats. They had leaders, we did not, they were bigger and stronger and that's no coincidence.
Yes Slavisa has to take responsibility also. But If Khans son, and Khans sons best mate are picking the players to sign, then no wonder we are where we are.
As I have said, They had twice as many shots as us, why ?
A year ago tomorrow, we went to Villa Park and had 66% possession and 0 shots on goal. I went to that game and it was up there with one of the worst games I have ever been to.
You ask why?
Villa are starting to click. I think it highly likely that Villa will finish higher than us this season. Player for player they are probably better than us and without question have a better strike force.
We need inspirational players, so far I don't see many.
Quote from: BedsFFC on October 21, 2017, 06:24:39 PM
The problem with these threads that happen straight after a defeat is they are full of posters who didn't see the game and just listened to Jim.
Jim commentates like a fan. He gets frustrated and I think unintentionally puts a negative spin when we lose. He also seems to hate the building from the back.
I couldn't go but have spoken individually to a couple of groups that went. They all said we played ok. I spoke to a Villa mate who said that's the best they have played all season.
What is clear is that we have a conundrum up front. Fonte and Kamara shows no sign of clicking.
Slavisa seems to escape any criticism. Whilst I don't feel the need to criticise and FFC player or coach, I feel that the onus is on Slavisa to really show how good a coach he is.
But in this post is a very telling comment. The villa fans thought it was one of their best performances .. and apart from Wolves, they have been winning most of their games. By implication that means apart from Wolves they thought we were one of the best teams they've played, yet most of the FFF brigade seem to be slagging us off. Did Villa really not deserve any credit for the way they played? Is it entirely down to our "trash" play? And those who say Villa are crap, useless and we should beat them home and away every year, well, I'll put a pint on them being in the top six this year.
Trash , garbage ?? Must've been watching a different game to some on here.
Fantastic delivery on a set piece to one of the most prolific central defenders in premier league history & a flukey second for the second. We played all the football, could we play better? absolutely, but to say we were trash is absolute bollox. Missed a sitter at 2-1 , score there & seing how Villa panicked for the last 15mins I reckon we go on & win that.
People talking as if we're going to some two bob club today, 31,000 people there watching the divisions form side, gutted, but we go again
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on October 21, 2017, 07:26:06 PM
Trash , garbage ?? Must've been watching a different game to some on here.
Fantastic delivery on a set piece to one of the most prolific central defenders in premier league history & a flukey second for the second. We played all the football, could we play better? absolutely, but to say we were trash is absolute bollox. Missed a sitter at 2-1 , score there & seing how Villa panicked for the last 15mins I reckon we go on & win that.
People talking as if we're going to some two bob club today, 31,000 people there watching the divisions form side, gutted, but we go again
Are you talking about the same John Terry who has been crap all season,got ran ragged by Wolves forwards last week,cost them the game at Cardiff as too slow to clear the ball....Did we put pressure on him today like they did...No...Did our manager do his homework and watch their game against Wolves and see how he got goosed whole game...
Your right about one thing playing the football again.
But where does it get us?
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on October 21, 2017, 07:39:06 PM
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on October 21, 2017, 07:26:06 PM
Trash , garbage ?? Must've been watching a different game to some on here.
Fantastic delivery on a set piece to one of the most prolific central defenders in premier league history & a flukey second for the second. We played all the football, could we play better? absolutely, but to say we were trash is absolute bollox. Missed a sitter at 2-1 , score there & seing how Villa panicked for the last 15mins I reckon we go on & win that.
People talking as if we're going to some two bob club today, 31,000 people there watching the divisions form side, gutted, but we go again
Are you talking about the same John Terry who has been crap all season,got ran ragged by Wolves forwards last week,cost them the game at Cardiff as too slow to clear the ball....Did we put pressure on him today like they did...No...Did our manager do his homework and watch their game against Wolves and see how he got goosed whole game...
Your right about one thing playing the football again.
But where does it get us?
Sorry so Terry cant head a ball anymore?
Kamara tried , not fit & when have we played a pressing game?. Slag Terry off all you want, blokes a complete bellend, also happens to be one of the best English centre halves of the last 30 years. Villa fans I spoke to said hes looking ok after a shaky start
Quote from: BedsFFC on October 21, 2017, 06:24:39 PM
The problem with these threads that happen straight after a defeat is they are full of posters who didn't see the game and just listened to Jim.
Jim commentates like a fan. He gets frustrated and I think unintentionally puts a negative spin when we lose. He also seems to hate the building from the back.
I couldn't go but have spoken individually to a couple of groups that went. They all said we played ok. I spoke to a Villa mate who said that's the best they have played all season.
What is clear is that we have a conundrum up front. Fonte and Kamara shows no sign of clicking.
Slavisa seems to escape any criticism. Whilst I don't feel the need to criticise and FFC player or coach, I feel that the onus is on Slavisa to really show how good a coach he is.
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Well I did see the game unlike some on here ...
We missed three open goals - no more than tap in's
We are too small and lightweight throughout the team
We cannot defend the back post
Fonte is not a Championship footballer by any stretch of the imagination.
We will end up lower mid table with performances like these
Oh, and Villa aren't much better either other than Snodgrass who we should have signed
Over and out
Mince ... BBC stats say we had over 65% of possession today. The missing words are 'mostly sideways'.
Even at the death, when we must have had possession for 3 of the 4 mins did we attempt to get out wide or push into channels? (no point in the long ball, no one can head or reach it). No, we played it prettily across the back, little triangles etc while Villa watched and held us at bay.
Quote from: MikeW on October 21, 2017, 08:39:32 PM
Mince ... BBC stats say we had over 65% of possession today. The missing words are 'mostly sideways'.
Even at the death, when we must have had possession for 3 of the 4 mins did we attempt to get out wide or push into channels? (no point in the long ball, no one can head or reach it). No, we played it prettily across the back, little triangles etc while Villa watched and held us at bay.
We've become just like Paul Bracewell's/Ray Wilkins Fulham. Lots of possession but all sideways & backwards.
All very ineffective.
come on give me a break. We tried to play our footboll and if Ayete had put his chance away we would all be happy with agood point away at Villa who have spent a hell of a lot of money on players and are a much bigger club than us.
Not our best performance perhaps but the negativity here is ridiculous to be honest!
A lot of the negativity was on the field of play ....
Mike you seem to be suggesting that Fulham play boring footboll. Is that what you are suggesting?
Quote from: colinwhite on October 21, 2017, 09:31:53 PM
Mike you seem to be suggesting that Fulham play boring footboll. Is that what you are suggesting?
It has become a little boring & not particularly effective any more. Way too much sideways & backwards passing.
Although, if we continue to play with 0 or 1 striker there's little point in going forward too quickly, but that's a continuation of the poor recruitment story.
Quote from: One Martin Thomas on October 21, 2017, 06:51:32 PM
No point playing Cairney in next three games. Wait for after next int break. A semi-fit Cairney would not have changed this result nor Bolton, Bristol and Wolves. 6 from next 9 is ok considering the way we are playing
I am fine in principle with not playing Cairney to get him fully fit..however it cannot be Norwood in his role, sorry, nice guy and all that but he was crap last week other than the penalty and today he either again gave the ball away or played it sideways and/or backwards. I echo the comment elsewhere that we are too small/light weight, how many balls in the middle of the park did Villa win today? Norwood slows us down in transition and does not give any forward option.
I am not sure its Cisse so maybe its a rejigged 3-5-2 with Soares/Sess and Fred as wingbacks and StefJo, KMac with Ayite or Mollo roaming behind Fonte and Kamara....but that means either Odoi or Madl comes into the back 3...
We haven't got the players currently to
Challenge for a top two spot.
Where are the Leaders ?
If we want any chance of a play off spot, we need to address the short fall in the January transfer window. Starting with a strong powerful tall centre back, and an orthodox striker that can head a ball, and score goals on a regular basis, but he needs to bully defences.
Those two are just for starters.
We need to start showing a lot more aggression and grit. We have too many of the same kind of players. We need more power and height to stand our ground and fight our corner.
Otherwise you can forget about promotion for the forcible future.
If Ayite and Fonte score from point blank, then there wouldn't even be this topic. Sorry, think we're trying to over-validate a theme that is far off base. We're a good side, but just like the Burton Albion match, we didn't finish our chances.
Quote from: Matt10 on October 22, 2017, 02:29:56 AM
If Ayite and Fonte score from point blank, then there wouldn't even be this topic. Sorry, think we're trying to over-validate a theme that is far off base. We're a good side, but just like the Burton Albion match, we didn't finish our chances.
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I object to the OP headline, and find it offensive as a Fulham fan.
I just don't think it describes how the team played, and the players' commitment, even if they were found wanting in the end.
Quote from: Matt10 on October 22, 2017, 02:29:56 AM
If Ayite and Fonte score from point blank, then there wouldn't even be this topic. Sorry, think we're trying to over-validate a theme that is far off base. We're a good side, but just like the Burton Albion match, we didn't finish our chances.
You are incorrect. We have missed big chances in every game. This is a major problem that the manager doesn't seem to be resolving.
Quote from: MikeW on October 21, 2017, 08:39:32 PM
Mince ... BBC stats say we had over 65% of possession today. The missing words are 'mostly sideways'.
Even at the death, when we must have had possession for 3 of the 4 mins did we attempt to get out wide or push into channels? (no point in the long ball, no one can head or reach it). No, we played it prettily across the back, little triangles etc while Villa watched and held us at bay.
Correct. Yesterday's performance was boring.
Matt 10: If Ayite and Fonte score ? .... But they didn't
Colin White: No not boring Colin, more frustrating and ineffective.
Ok Mike ,but its very fine margins and for the original poster to go so far over the top in his criticism and point the finger at fellow supporters to "wake up", implies what exactly? and for the other usual suspects to jump on the bandwagon .....well enough said about that.
I dont hear any suggestions on how to resolve our problems. People seem to Forget extremely quickly. If we win our next 2 home games the picture can change very quickly. The problem for me is that we have let in too many sloppy goals. Without Tc our possession game is alot more fragile and teams can successfully press us high. If weare going to be without him for agood period then Jokanovic needs to resolve this ussue and maybe change our shape,as I agree with youngsbitter that norwood is not the answer(sooner part of the problem ). The next 2 games will say alot about our team and i dont believe that they will show us to be "garbage" or "trash". In my eyes the person writing that doesnt have a particularly good understanding of the game. No offence meant.
The thing that worries me most is the seeming reliance that Cairney will come on and turn things around when it's not going our way.
The noises coming from the club seem to be that Tom has a knee 'condition' rather than an injury. If he is not fit enough to play 90 minutes perhaps we might think about starting with him and subbing him when he needs to rest the knee rather than the other way round. I know the 'bring him on when the other side are tiring argument but these days with the fitness levels that sides have does it really make that much difference.
Or, should we send him somewhere to get the position clear (and hopefully sorted) and get used to not having him available until we do know what the prognosis is.
That's all we hear all the time on this forum,If If If If,its definitely a lot of people's favourite word.
Point is Ayite and Fonte didnt score did they.😬 😬 😬
Massive overreaction.
no the Point is that they didnt score and that doesnt suddenly make us a poor side.
That is two poor performances on the bounce for me, and, along with others on these pages, I can see there isn't a lot of room for optimism - at least superficially. Yes, we are missing injured parties, but missing them isn't going to get them fit. This is supposed to be, as so many have told me on here, a 'stronger, upgraded squad', and yet we are missing Malone, Aluko and Martin too, three players who have neither been replaced nor upgraded in that 'wonderful window' where we didn't sign a striker or defender of note. And so, let's get back to reality and make sure our reaction isn't massively OTT.
Last season, about this time, we had three wins under our belt and had just been beaten at Villa. Our play was inconsistent and uneven, fits and starts, although we had shown an aptitude to score goals when we turned up and played. We did turn up against Huddersfield at the end of October and had a feast. I don't say it'll happen that way this time around but, as Best of Brede says, we do know how fickle many Fulham supporters are, and so let's at least acknowledge the current side haven't had much chance to settle down yet - a bit like last season too - what with all the squad changes and injuries etc. Let's see how SJ moves things around for the visit of Bolton.
Quote from: The Old Count on October 21, 2017, 05:01:36 PM
We are too short, too lightweight and have no outlet when being pressured.
Disapointing not to have addressed these issues in the transfer window. Poor recruitment and a lack of understanding of what's needed to get promotion.
No chance of the playoffs let alone top two.
Quote from: colinwhite on October 22, 2017, 09:47:11 AM
no the Point is that they didnt score and that doesnt suddenly make us a poor side.
Not a poor side but a pointless side losing touch with top 2
Quote from: One Martin Thomas on October 22, 2017, 07:39:39 PM
Quote from: colinwhite on October 22, 2017, 09:47:11 AM
no the Point is that they didnt score and that doesnt suddenly make us a poor side.
Not a poor side but a pointless side losing touch with top 2
Apointless Side leaving villa park where not many away teams are going to win this season
Quote from: colinwhite on October 22, 2017, 09:47:11 AM
no the Point is that they didnt score and that doesnt suddenly make us a poor side.
Exactly. The concept of being a poor side is trying to be validated and a bit of a stretch.
We are just not finishing. It is really that simple. Last match the standouts were Ayite and Fonte. Match before that it was Ojo wasn't it?
How does a manager impart finishing skills in match situations? If that's where we need to focus, then let's focus there. Instead, we're hearing things about how we are shite and need to wake up? Come off it with your overreaction. I am very glad noone listens to the negativity towards Slav because if they did, we'd end up exactly how we exited the Prem...shuffling managers and delaying the inevitable.
The team are being poorly coached and poorly managed. Enough of blaming everyone else under the sun, now is the time to blame Jokanovic.
Quote from: J.Perkins on October 22, 2017, 11:09:40 PM
The team are being poorly coached and poorly managed. Enough of blaming everyone else under the sun, now is the time to blame Jokanovic.
Boldest comment for days. So apart from average players remaining average players, the same mistakes being made and our best performances relying heavily on key individuals and not tactics or a game plan that makes the most of the resources we have what do you base your outrageous statement on?
From week to week, We do not seem to learn from our shortcomings which are never addressed properly as we see the same mistakes being made.
The same system of play which is never adjusted to deal with different challenges. What do they do in training all week I ask myself.
Quote from: ScalleysDad on October 22, 2017, 11:24:17 PM
Quote from: J.Perkins on October 22, 2017, 11:09:40 PM
The team are being poorly coached and poorly managed. Enough of blaming everyone else under the sun, now is the time to blame Jokanovic.
Boldest comment for days. So apart from average players remaining average players, the same mistakes being made and our best performances relying heavily on key individuals and not tactics or a game plan that makes the most of the resources we have what do you base your outrageous statement on?
Mistakes being made each game is a coaching issue. The players are failing to finish chances consistently across the board.
Our game plan has gone backwards. Possession and only possession. Very predictable.
The poorness of the team selection each week. Kamara and Ayite over Mollo and Kebano? Sessegnon continues to play out of position even though Soares is now fit.
The poor substitutions. Bringing on Cisse on Saturday was an atrocious decision.
Poorly coached as our weaknesses are across the whole team. Poorly managed as Jokanovic only have 1 style per game and doesn't impact the game with his subs.
Quote from: Statto on October 23, 2017, 12:05:31 AM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on October 22, 2017, 11:24:17 PM
Quote from: J.Perkins on October 22, 2017, 11:09:40 PM
The team are being poorly coached and poorly managed. Enough of blaming everyone else under the sun, now is the time to blame Jokanovic.
Boldest comment for days. So apart from average players remaining average players, the same mistakes being made and our best performances relying heavily on key individuals and not tactics or a game plan that makes the most of the resources we have what do you base your outrageous statement on?
I'd suggest that should read "below average players becoming above average players" and it would then demonstrate exactly why the players are not being poorly coached/managed
The standard most on this forum seem to think we should be playing at is top 2, or at least top 6
So just out of interest, how many of our current team were playing regularly and well for top 2 or top 6 sides when we signed them? Aside from Norwood, they came from bottom half Championship teams, poor foreign leagues or other clubs reserve/youth teams, and almost all for low fees.
Where do we get this idea that these players are capable of more?
Who out of the whole team has played better anywhere else in his entire career than he's playing now, under Jokanovic?
You don't need a great team to go up. We have an above average team performing at not even half of what they are capable of.
Bar Malone and Aluko, we saw what this starting XI was capable of last season. Demolishing teams on a frequent basis, most of the time without a recognised striker.
The players in our team have played probably the best football of their career with Jokanovic. LAST SEASON. Other teams have developed, we have not. And the style of play has been found out.
Mike you have been watching to many American films. To end a communication you simply say OUT! by saying OVER this means your waiting for the recipient to reply
I blame Jokanovic that we have gone from being hopeless and boring ,hoofing the ball anywhere under k symons to a side playing what most people recognise as probably the best in the division. The other teams in this league would love it we were so fickle as to blame jokanovic for us not being in the top 6 (3 points off the top six isnt good enough with only 33games to go).
You are presumably suggesting we sack Jokanovic J Perkins ? If not why are you writing this drivel?
Quote from: Nasty Neil on October 23, 2017, 08:09:33 AM
Mike you have been watching to many American films. To end a communication you simply say OUT! by saying OVER this means your waiting for the recipient to reply
and there's me thinking those films always ended with " son of a bitch ", as the Directors couldn't think of anything else the Actors could shout.
Jok should be able to carry on to the end of his contract, as he should be allowed to finish what he started, even though he seems to have his hands tied behind his back when it comes to signing the players he wants, but that's another reason why we are where we are, but that's not his fault entirely. If he was sacked tomorrow, would there be a queue of decent managers outside the gates willing to work with the Chairman's son and his best mate. I am not sure there would be.
Yes I would like to know what exactly they do on the Training Ground to eradicate the deficiencies on the field of play.
Replacing Jok during this season is not the answer, even if he is not the finished article, he deserves better than that. He is a Professional Football man, unlike Khan and Kline, you can sack them if you like.
Because by bringing in a new guy, you will still have the same players, who seem to lack the steel needed to compete at this level. Small lightweight players who lack height and physical presence, that won't go away by replacing Jok.
Let's hoping they are working hard on the training Ground to ensure we have a long awaited good performance and Victory in our home match on Saturday, and make it 2 wins in 7 Home games so far this season.
....replacing jokanovic during this season is not only not the answer it would mindbogglingly stupid !!!!
Dont buy the physicallity argument . Under symons we had one the tallest teams in the division and still let more goals in from set pieces than any other team in the league !
Since Joka seriously began to Address the issue of conceded goals from set pieces we have improved enormously, in spite of lack of size. Yet to see any player consistantly beat Odoi in the air and hes no giant.
Quote from: colinwhite on October 23, 2017, 10:35:45 AM
....replacing jokanovic during this season is not only not the answer it would mindbogglingly stupid !!!!
Dont buy the physicallity argument . Under symons we had one the tallest teams in the division and still let more goals in from set pieces than any other team in the league !
Since Joka seriously began to Address the issue of conceded goals from set pieces we have improved enormously, in spite of lack of size. Yet to see any player consistantly beat Odoi in the air and hes no giant.
Under Symons the defence had no shape, no depth no balance, that was down to poor coaching and organisation and motivation, which was the Hall Mark of his tenure.
But to say that our defence has no problems with height and physicality is telling me you are not addressing the reasons why every team enjoys bullying us, and it's become embarrassing to see it every week.
There is no voice at the back, no real leaders no marshalling of the defence, no real strength in the air, very little communication it appears, Sunday morning stuff.
Also why is Sess playing at left back, when he should be playing further up the pitch with his ability.
Quote from: J.Perkins on October 23, 2017, 12:17:14 AM
Mistakes being made each game is a coaching issue.
Everything is a coaching issue once the transfer window is completed since the only people capable of rectifying recruitment mistakes are the coaches. We were not taking chances regularly during last autumn and it was only a settled side playing to coaches demands that got us into the top six. Some of those players noticeably upped their games throughout that time turning a half empty side into a half full one, and then filling the glass match by match. Perhaps we are looking at a case of the recruitment team got lucky last season but this time around it isn't proving to be such a lucky system, especially having sold some of the best of last year's successful growth in all the euphoria.
Quote from: colinwhite on October 23, 2017, 08:12:30 AM
I blame Jokanovic that we have gone from being hopeless and boring ,hoofing the ball anywhere under k symons to a side playing what most people recognise as probably the best in the division. The other teams in this league would love it we were so fickle as to blame jokanovic for us not being in the top 6 (3 points off the top six isnt good enough with only 33games to go).
You are presumably suggesting we sack Jokanovic J Perkins ? If not why are you writing this drivel?
And our beautiful football got us to a play off semi final. Unattractive football won Huddersfield the playoffs. Playing nice football is a bonus if you're winning. Which we are not doing enough.
Im saying the Jokanovic has to seriously up his game. His coaching is clearly an issue and the players are unaware what to do when under the kosh. His game management is frankly awful, poor subs poorly timed.
Last season doesn't impact this season. This season we are failing.
Quote from: toshes mate on October 23, 2017, 11:39:31 AM
Quote from: J.Perkins on October 23, 2017, 12:17:14 AM
Mistakes being made each game is a coaching issue.
Everything is a coaching issue once the transfer window is completed since the only people capable of rectifying recruitment mistakes are the coaches. We were not taking chances regularly during last autumn and it was only a settled side playing to coaches demands that got us into the top six. Some of those players noticeably upped their games throughout that time turning a half empty side into a half full one, and then filling the glass match by match. Perhaps we are looking at a case of the recruitment team got lucky last season but this time around it isn't proving to be such a lucky system, especially having sold some of the best of last year's successful growth in all the euphoria.
The recruitment team are the people to look at during a transfer window. As you say, coaching issues are apparent at any other time.
Maybe Jokanovic got lucky last season. A style of football not many teams knew how to deal with. Guess what? These same teams have worked us out.
And you cannot moan at selling Malone and Aluko for the profit we sold them for, with both probably not having a better season again in their careers.
Quote from: toshes mate on October 23, 2017, 11:39:31 AM
Quote from: J.Perkins on October 23, 2017, 12:17:14 AM
Mistakes being made each game is a coaching issue.
Everything is a coaching issue once the transfer window is completed since the only people capable of rectifying recruitment mistakes are the coaches. We were not taking chances regularly during last autumn and it was only a settled side playing to coaches demands that got us into the top six. Some of those players noticeably upped their games throughout that time turning a half empty side into a half full one, and then filling the glass match by match. Perhaps we are looking at a case of the recruitment team got lucky last season but this time around it isn't proving to be such a lucky system, especially having sold some of the best of last year's successful growth in all the euphoria.
Totally agree with your comments m8!!!
Quote from: Statto on October 23, 2017, 12:05:31 AM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on October 22, 2017, 11:24:17 PM
Quote from: J.Perkins on October 22, 2017, 11:09:40 PM
The team are being poorly coached and poorly managed. Enough of blaming everyone else under the sun, now is the time to blame Jokanovic.
Boldest comment for days. So apart from average players remaining average players, the same mistakes being made and our best performances relying heavily on key individuals and not tactics or a game plan that makes the most of the resources we have what do you base your outrageous statement on?
I'd suggest that should read "below average players becoming above average players" and it would then demonstrate exactly why the players are not being poorly coached/managed
The standard most on this forum seem to think we should be playing at is top 2, or at least top 6
So just out of interest, how many of our current team were playing regularly and well for top 2 or top 6 sides when we signed them? Aside from Norwood, they came from bottom half Championship teams, poor foreign leagues or other clubs reserve/youth teams, and almost all for low fees.
Where do we get this idea that these players are capable of more?
Who out of the whole team has played better anywhere else in his entire career than he's playing now, under Jokanovic?
And just a point to back this up; how many appearances did Norwood make for Brighton last season? I really don't know the answer to this question, but if they thought he was a key player last year, why loan him to us and not keep him even as a squad player?
Quote from: J.Perkins on October 22, 2017, 11:09:40 PM
The team are being poorly coached and poorly managed. Enough of blaming everyone else under the sun, now is the time to blame Jokanovic.
Lol, you cannot be serious!
Quote from: colinwhite on October 23, 2017, 10:35:45 AM
....replacing jokanovic during this season is not only not the answer it would mindbogglingly stupid !!!!
Dont buy the physicallity argument . Under symons we had one the tallest teams in the division and still let more goals in from set pieces than any other team in the league !
Since Joka seriously began to Address the issue of conceded goals from set pieces we have improved enormously, in spite of lack of size. Yet to see any player consistantly beat Odoi in the air and hes no giant.
Colin - another reasonable and rational post. While Kalas and Ream are not exactly giants, they have been doing well. Even against Preston when the main aim seemed to be to rough them up, the only time the over-physical presence worked only resulted in fairly meaningless flicks that did not result in anything. And that was due to the pressure they were under, IMO. And second half, I thought they had Hugill in their pockets. True, we got hold of the game, but they had their moments but they came to diddly squat. Sometimes our failing is that because of our offence we leave big gaps at the back, normally down the flanks as the full backs press ahead, and that certainly applied to the Preston game. To decry our defensive abilities because of what I see as a progressive tactic is disappointing. Maybe we need Mick McCarthy as manager, and then we can get Matt Smith back.
Quote from: Whitesideup on October 23, 2017, 10:28:26 PM
Quote from: colinwhite on October 23, 2017, 10:35:45 AM
....replacing jokanovic during this season is not only not the answer it would mindbogglingly stupid !!!!
Dont buy the physicallity argument . Under symons we had one the tallest teams in the division and still let more goals in from set pieces than any other team in the league !
Since Joka seriously began to Address the issue of conceded goals from set pieces we have improved enormously, in spite of lack of size. Yet to see any player consistantly beat Odoi in the air and hes no giant.
Colin - another reasonable and rational post. While Kalas and Ream are not exactly giants, they have been doing well. Even against Preston when the main aim seemed to be to rough them up, the only time the over-physical presence worked only resulted in fairly meaningless flicks that did not result in anything. And that was due to the pressure they were under, IMO. And second half, I thought they had Hugill in their pockets. True, we got hold of the game, but they had their moments but they came to diddly squat. Sometimes our failing is that because of our offence we leave big gaps at the back, normally down the flanks as the full backs press ahead, and that certainly applied to the Preston game. To decry our defensive abilities because of what I see as a progressive tactic is disappointing. Maybe we need Mick McCarthy as manager, and then we can get Matt Smith back.
LOL, he would be a steal at 7 or 8m, but better value than Fonte!! Smith by the way not McCarthy!
We definitely havent seen too much from Fonte ,but Smith better value for money? You are joking right?
Quote from: colinwhite on October 24, 2017, 06:00:14 AM
We definitely havent seen too much from Fonte ,but Smith better value for money? You are joking right?
Of course!!!!
