With Kevin McDonald suspended for the game against Derby who do we have to replace him on the pitch.
We are going to struggle against Derby anyway so I fear that we will be over run in midfield.
Cisse or Norwood, both poor options but this is the realism of our situation post Tony Khan transfer window.
Quote from: Chutney on November 06, 2017, 09:52:45 PM
Cisse or Norwood, both poor options but this is the realism of our situation post Tony Khan transfer window.
I reckon there is probably 5/6 teams in this league where Norwood would be their best player. Not sure how hes a poor back up in anyones mind when he started 16 games for a team that got promoted.
I just think that as he isn't Cairney, Johansen or Kmac people get deflated when he comes on. He as dynamic as the other3 but is a decent water carrier who keeps the ball moving. Surely Cisse in for Kmac though.
Quote from: @jolslover on November 07, 2017, 08:16:52 AM
Quote from: Chutney on November 06, 2017, 09:52:45 PM
Cisse or Norwood, both poor options but this is the realism of our situation post Tony Khan transfer window.
I reckon there is probably 5/6 teams in this league where Norwood would be their best player. Not sure how hes a poor back up in anyones mind when he started 16 games for a team that got promoted.
I meant as a replacement for Kmac, he's a poor back up for the DM role. Do we know if Madl is alive?
Quote from: Chutney on November 07, 2017, 10:40:59 AM
Quote from: @jolslover on November 07, 2017, 08:16:52 AM
Quote from: Chutney on November 06, 2017, 09:52:45 PM
Cisse or Norwood, both poor options but this is the realism of our situation post Tony Khan transfer window.
I reckon there is probably 5/6 teams in this league where Norwood would be their best player. Not sure how hes a poor back up in anyones mind when he started 16 games for a team that got promoted.
I meant as a replacement for Kmac, he's a poor back up for the DM role. Do we know if Madl is alive?
It would have to be Cisse surely. I think he's looked pretty good for the 2 games worth of football he has played (190 minutes). Alternatively Edun is the other option. I read on another thread that Johansen is not 100% so we could do with a defensive anchor man of which Norwood is not.
It is a key position and McDonald has almost been our man of the match in every game.
Has to be Norwood any one else is too much of a risk in defence.
I am guessing it will be Cisse
Quote from: filham on November 07, 2017, 12:25:53 PM
It is a key position and McDonald has almost been our man of the match in every game.
Has to be Norwood any one else is too much of a risk in defence.
Norwood is not a like for like, so I don't see how you can say anyone else is too much of a Risk?
Quote from: Twig on November 07, 2017, 02:32:46 PM
Quote from: filham on November 07, 2017, 12:25:53 PM
It is a key position and McDonald has almost been our man of the match in every game.
Has to be Norwood any one else is too much of a risk in defence.
Norwood is not a like for like, so I don't see how you can say anyone else is too much of a Risk?
This. Our only options are really Cisse or Edun (too young but benched)
Quote from: @jolslover on November 07, 2017, 08:16:52 AM
Quote from: Chutney on November 06, 2017, 09:52:45 PM
Cisse or Norwood, both poor options but this is the realism of our situation post Tony Khan transfer window.
I reckon there is probably 5/6 teams in this league where Norwood would be their best player. Not sure how hes a poor back up in anyones mind when he started 16 games for a team that got promoted.
but is not wanted by that team. And 16 games of 46. He's ok but hardly tearing up trees.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on November 07, 2017, 03:03:53 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on November 07, 2017, 08:16:52 AM
Quote from: Chutney on November 06, 2017, 09:52:45 PM
Cisse or Norwood, both poor options but this is the realism of our situation post Tony Khan transfer window.
I reckon there is probably 5/6 teams in this league where Norwood would be their best player. Not sure how hes a poor back up in anyones mind when he started 16 games for a team that got promoted.
but is not wanted by that team. And 16 games of 46. He's ok but hardly tearing up trees.
Give Cisse a go, the guys only played 190 minutes. No time to judge him.
I suppose another option, which would be safe, is to play Odoi in place of McDonald.
Quote from: filham on November 07, 2017, 04:06:15 PM
I suppose another option, which would be safe, is to play Odoi in place of McDonald.
Interesting idea. Depends on the Kalas question.
Quote from: filham on November 07, 2017, 04:06:15 PM
I suppose another option, which would be safe, is to play Odoi in place of McDonald.
We'll certainly miss Kmac's height, so I would err towards Odoi as he's not bad in the air.
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on November 07, 2017, 03:06:12 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on November 07, 2017, 03:03:53 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on November 07, 2017, 08:16:52 AM
Quote from: Chutney on November 06, 2017, 09:52:45 PM
Cisse or Norwood, both poor options but this is the realism of our situation post Tony Khan transfer window.
I reckon there is probably 5/6 teams in this league where Norwood would be their best player. Not sure how hes a poor back up in anyones mind when he started 16 games for a team that got promoted.
but is not wanted by that team. And 16 games of 46. He's ok but hardly tearing up trees.
Give Cisse a go, the guys only played 190 minutes. No time to judge him.
I think Cisse is a good sound option, he has played a bit so its not a massive step up, he was great against Leeds in that role. The issues people have had with his later sub appearances is that we have been wanting him to replace TC. The real problem is without KMac we have to play Norwood who is a nightmare - slows us down every time he touches the ball and only forward pass is the Hollywood ball to the other wing. I would much rather see us play 3-5-2 with Odoi, Kalas and Ream, mid 5 of Soares/Sess, Cisse, Stefjo, TC and Fred with Fonte and Kamara up top. Fonte plays the TC role is TC still hurt.
I would play Odoi in there. We really need someone with energy who can just break up play. Bring Kalas back in. I would go.
Button
Fredericks Kalas Ream Soares (Should be fit after this break now)
Odoi
TC Norwood
Ojo (if fit). Sess
Fonte
Although his finishing was terrible against QPR and Burton his pace just caused mega problems. I think the time for Soares to play if he is going to is now. If we have a rumoured 15 million agreed depending on promotion this lad must be able to play. He looked off the pace and knackered against Wolves so I would expect him to be doing heavy fitness work over these next 2 weeks. Choosing the front man is the hardest thing at the moment. Fonte just edges it for me, he experience gets him the start over Kamara.
We need Soares at left back, afraid to say that Sess. has not looked good in that position this season.
However Soares needs to demonstrate that he is up to the job, yes, he came here with a flattering reputation
but then so did one or two others who have not lived up to their reputation.
If Kmac were to get injured we'll probably be in a relegation battle. Can anyone disagree with this statement at the moment? He's carrying the team right now and doing more than his own job. Injury aside if he got a band would we'd be in a lot of trouble.
How about Odoi and Kalas at back and Ream as the CDM? If needed he can then slip into the central position to make a back three.
Failing that it will certainly be Norwood, but I'd like to see Cisse given a chance.
Quote from: MJG on November 08, 2017, 05:03:10 PM
How about Odoi and Kalas at back and Ream as the CDM? If needed he can then slip into the central position to make a back three.
Failing that it will certainly be Norwood, but I'd like to see Cisse given a chance.
I'm with you, Cisse would be my first call but Ream has played DM before. Anyone but Norwood please!
Cisse is a disaster, and nowhere near ready.
Norwood is a defensive mid. Not got the physicality of McDonald, but will do much better playing the deeper role.
Remember neither Cairney nor Johansen are fully fit and doubtful for a full 90 minutes so it is more than just possible that some stage in the match we will be without all three of our star midfielders. Three replacements will then be needed.
We may end up with Norewood, Odoi and Cisse on the pitch.
Switching players round from their normal positions to solve one problem, only creates another problem.
I would give it to Cisse as a one for one, cannot see it being a major problem. He is physical and can win a ball and let's an opponent know he is there, and we need more of that.
Anyway in a lot of cases, some players need opportunity and match time to ease their way in, rather than ten minutes here and twenty minutes there. Pick him with the intention of playing him 90 mins. Too much fannying around worrying about what might happen, rather than could happen.
It's not as though we are top of the League and other players have nailed down a position, because they have not, as 17th in the Division and 4 wins in 16 League matches has shown. That's a measly quarter, that's not only meadiocre but not acceptable.
Some players worth to the team are over blown no matter what they do, and other players are not given enough credit, no matter what they do.,
