Fulham submit plans for new Riverside StandThis application follows a period of consultation and open dialogue with residents, supporters, and many stakeholders with an interest in the project and local area
Fulham Football Club has today submitted an application to the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham council for the redevelopment of the Riverside stand at its historic Craven Cottage home.
This application follows a period of consultation and open dialogue with residents, supporters, and many stakeholders with an interest in the project and local area.
The Club secured planning permission for its previous design in 2013. The new proposal, commissioned by Fulham FC's Chairman Mr Shahid Khan, has incorporated a modern design that is sympathetic with the river and local area and best reflects the needs of the Club, community and neighbourhood by delivering a wide range of benefits both now and for future generations.
Alistair Mackintosh, Fulham FC Chief Executive Officer, said: "Everyone here at Fulham Football Club is incredibly excited to submit this application, and we are confident that the plans we have laid out will both upgrade the current stand and add new facilities that everyone in the community will be able to enjoy and appreciate."
In addition to increasing the seating capacity at Craven Cottage, the Club has sought to add amenities to help transform the riverside walkway into a world-class leisure destination, both on matchdays and non-matchdays.
The Riverside on a matchdayThis new design will still allow the River Thames walkway to be opened up, an aspect of the approved design in 2013, and will incorporate bars, restaurants, and lounges—all of which will be open for business throughout the year.
The redevelopment will bring significant investments in the local community, adding new full-time jobs and further opportunities for employment.
http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/fulham-submit-plans-new-riverside-13983320.amp
Looks good!
I'm made up.... love it and can't wait to have a look around it.
I was there for the first game in the Riverside in 71/72 so would dearly love to witness the opening of the latest reincarnation of The Riverside.
Love it also
Really need this to happen so that my dear old Pa gets to see.enjoy it!
It would be fantastic for me, Pa and my brother to all go together like the old days...
Even sweeter if it's for the Prem!
The old design seemed to incorporate the current stand, which made it seem reasonable to say construction could continue throughout the season. How will this work with the new design?
Haven't had a chance to look at the previous plan's pictures and compare them, but it seems like the double deck feature is lessened, and the use of the corners as viewing platforms is reduced in this new incarnation. As I recall, the previous plan was to incorporate the existing into the new by building two end towers and creating a second tier as a bridge structure over it.
Hope it works out, but I was rather more impressed by the original idea.
Quote from: _Putney_ on December 01, 2017, 06:59:32 PM
The old design seemed to incorporate the current stand, which made it seem reasonable to say construction could continue throughout the season. How will this work with the new design?
the plan is to knock the whole thing down, relocate fans to other stands without leaving. That's the plan.
Just another planning proposal, any one kept a record on how much we have spent on architects and planning in recent years.
Enough to buy a striker and a centre back.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 01, 2017, 11:06:00 PM
Enough to buy a striker and a centre back.
A quality striker at that!
Oooo another proposal it may be built before our next centenary. 079.gif
It says our capacity will be increased from the current 25,700. Does anyone know what to?
Quote from: Fulham 442 on December 02, 2017, 11:00:09 AM
It says our capacity will be increased from the current 25,700. Does anyone know what to?
25,701.
Quote from: Fulham 442 on December 02, 2017, 11:00:09 AM
It says our capacity will be increased from the current 25,700. Does anyone know what to?
My understanding is that it's around the 30,000 mark.
But somebody may have a more exact figure.
Nice plans, let's just hope the stand takes into account the wind off the Thames, or the sailing club will be moaning again! Don't want to upset the lovies over the water.
As others have said, let's wait and see what we finally get!
Going to be a proper job & not a mix & match. Any costs of the project have no bearing on FFP so Mr Khan can spend what ever he wants without any restrictions. Any extra income from non matchday activities will go against our operating costs which will helpus with FFP. Good on you Mr Khan.
Love it more from inside the ground than outside. It looks great. Was there any talk of the Hammersmith and Putney ends ? I was sure there was something about plans here too in the future after the riverside.
Do we know what the final capacity will be?
Assuming 30,000 like the last plan
I cannot tell you how much I'd love to get one of those flats.
How much we reckon they would cost?
Strange there is no ffc branding on the outside or inside of the new stand. It may just be those plans haven't been completed yet.
Quote from: BedsFFC on December 04, 2017, 01:18:12 PM
I cannot tell you how much I'd love to get one of those flats.
How much we reckon they would cost?
Millions in Fulham on the River,will go a long way to paying for the redevelopment. Mind you I'm sure he will have one and his son too.What they should do is do short term rentals on them them all the money comes into the club and can be sold at later date if required.Not sure how the sale of apartments would effect the FFP though?
Nine fully managed short term lease apartments could potentially bring in close to a Million a year.Sounds like a no brainer and will only increase in value in both rental and sales values and no FFP effect.
More chance of our front line and back 4 getting rebuilt in 2018 than there is of the Riverside getting rebuilt ,
HS2 and the 3rd runway at Heathrow have had less delays than this stand.
Can almost hear the planning department now saying "oh no, not again"
More chance of our front line and back 4 getting rebuilt in 2018 than there is of the Riverside getting rebuilt ,
HS2 and the 3rd runway at Heathrow have had less delays than this stand.
Can almost hear the planning department now saying "oh no, not again".
But think of the fees!
Reminds me of the old Les Dawson joke .... "Just one problem, it faces the pitch!"
The really. really good news is that you can just see SJ pacing up and down outside the dugouts......
That looks/sounds great! Will mean it'll be much harder to get tickets tho
Quote from: BedsFFC on December 04, 2017, 01:18:12 PM
I cannot tell you how much I'd love to get one of those flats.
How much we reckon they would cost?
Fontes monthly wage.
Quote from: Fernhurst on December 01, 2017, 06:52:18 PM
I'm made up.... love it and can't wait to have a look around it.
I was there for the first game in the Riverside in 71/72 so would dearly love to witness the opening of the latest reincarnation of The Riverside.
Wasn't that the Benfica game?
Quote from: MikeW on December 04, 2017, 02:33:42 PM
More chance of our front line and back 4 getting rebuilt in 2018 than there is of the Riverside getting rebuilt ,
HS2 and the 3rd runway at Heathrow have had less delays than this stand.
Or dualling the A303
I wonder where our Trophy Cabinet will be located ?
Quote from: Holders on December 04, 2017, 03:11:06 PM
Quote from: Fernhurst on December 01, 2017, 06:52:18 PM
I'm made up.... love it and can't wait to have a look around it.
I was there for the first game in the Riverside in 71/72 so would dearly love to witness the opening of the latest reincarnation of The Riverside.
Wasn't that the Benfica game?
It was Jim, including the immaculate Eusebio
Such a fond memory as The only time I attended with my Dad and brother.
So jealous of my older brother who lived in London and seemed to know everyone at Fulham FC.
Im sure the location and the retail and restaurant offers will leave QPR and Brentford seething.
It may be so good it will push the house values in the vicinity even higher!
Wish Dad had kept the family home in Fernhurst Road.
Anyone else seen palace and their new stand redevelopment? Now theirs is very impressive. A class well above our design, but we'll still have the best overall stadium.
For me it's a shame, because the design should take into account the future. For a start, there's a massive open back. Going to keep people cool at the top of the stand with a breeze. Any noise made will have more room to escape again. Albeit in the non noise riverside stand lol.
Our one stand we can really go for it and improve, has not really done it for me. Prefer it as it is almost. I only want the best for our club. The block of flat's takes the piss. Could be the start of something really bad.
Quote from: fcfulham55 on December 04, 2017, 04:57:50 PM
Anyone else seen palace and their new stand redevelopment? Now theirs is very impressive. A class well above our design, but we'll still have the best overall stadium.
For me it's a shame, because the design should take into account the future. For a start, there's a massive open back. Going to keep people cool at the top of the stand with a breeze. Any noise made will have more room to escape again. Albeit in the non noise riverside stand lol.
Our one stand we can really go for it and improve, has not really done it for me. Prefer it as it is almost. I only want the best for our club. The block of flat's takes the piss. Could be the start of something really bad.
the top of the stand which you can see through is going to glass apparently. I asked that specific question to the design company. So no gap.,but more will be seen in full plans.
Just a couple of months ago we had, planning permission, a developer and plans to start next year, now all of a sudden we have NO permission, and NO developer !
Have I got that right ?
If I have then there is next to NO chance of it starting next year 😠
Lots of info in the planning but I know some are worried about the flats and this is about them.
Short-Stay Serviced Apartments
4.25 The spaces between the roof and the cores at either end of the stand provide the opportunity to
contribute to the active frontage and passive surveillance overlooking the neighbouring parks
and Riverside walkway by the inclusion of nine apartments. However, unlike the previous
scheme that proposed four residential units for rent on the "open market", the current proposal
is for nine short-stay, serviced apartments to be used by the club/people affiliated to the club
and others, as appropriate. Users will include the owner, sponsors and new players joining the
club in need of accommodation for a few months before they find more permanent
accommodation elsewhere.
4.26 On this basis, the proposed units will operate as serviced apartments (Use Class C1). The
apartments will provide:
• One no. two-bed apartment and three no. three-bed serviced apartments at second floor
level;
• Two no. two-bed and two no. three-bed serviced apartments at third floor level; and
• One no. one-bed serviced apartment at fourth floor level.
4.27 The serviced apartments will be designed to a high quality. Private amenity space will be
provided for each unit in the form of a balcony, as well as larger roof terraces on the upper floors
of each block.
Planning ahead as well for Putney and Hammersmith:
As Fulham FC considers its potential future
expansion plans, the club must take into account
the existing features which will influence the nature
of the development. The fact that their Ground has
its own very special and unique character with four
distinct stands around the pitch, and with heritage
assets in the form of the Johnny Haynes Stand
and the Craven Cottage itself, naturally leads to
a solution that retains the four stand concept but
allows each stand to be developed, or refurbished
as necessary. The redevelopment of the Riverside
Stand maintains the four stand approach. If the
Hammersmith and Putney Stands were ever
amended or replaced at some stage in the future
they would also be expected to follow the four
stand approach. The design of the Riverside Stand
proposal has taken this into account, in so far as
there is nothing in this proposal that precludes
redevelopment of the Hammersmith and Putney
Stands in the future, and the rectilinear form of
the proposed stand with the vertical facades of the
blocks at either end of the seating tiers provide a
perfect 'book-end' in the corners of the stadium,
up to which new Hammersmith and Putney Stands
could be built, whilst retaining the setting of the
heritage listed assets and the overall special
character of the Ground as a whole.
The flats will provide the beiggest development value per sq m out out of anything else there. A developer would be mad not to include residebtial floorplace in a site like this and itbwill effectively cross-subsidise the rest of the (low development value) development. A football stand by itself would generate insufficient profit for a developer to bother with it, so this is the right approach and will hopefully get it done.
Anybody remember Darlington FC and their new ground ?
Quote from: Buffalo76 on December 04, 2017, 03:52:32 PM
Quote from: Friendsoffulham on December 04, 2017, 12:54:55 PM
https://populous.com/news/2017/12/04/fulham-fc-submits-planning-application-populous-designed-riverside-stand-redevelopment/
Very impressed
I'm sure we'll all be impressed with the next set of designs when the current ones also get shelved for some reason.
As someone else has said, the development is going backwards.
Why is it going backwards? What on earthbare you talking about?
Quote from: Baszab on December 05, 2017, 08:04:07 PM
Anybody remember Darlington FC and their new ground ?
Yes. I remember it particularly because Feethams was such a fabulous little ground.
I also remember that their then chairman, the man responsible for the fiasco, includes on his cv various prison terms for theft of cigarettes, burglary, safe-cracking, handling explosives, tax evasion and breach of parole.
So obviously a 'fit and proper person' - but not much in common with our own situation.
I understand the scepticism but am optimistic that this is Khan's own design and his preferred approach. After all the stalling let's hope it goes ahead this time.
Quote from: flyingfish on December 05, 2017, 08:18:31 PM
Why is it going backwards? What on earthbare you talking about?
As someone said above.... 'A couple of months ago we had planning permission, a developer and plans to start next year, now all of a sudden we have NO permission, and NO developer !
All true unfortunately. That's what I'm talking about
Will they bother to have a Trophy Cabinet installed.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 05, 2017, 08:52:33 PM
Will they bother to have a Trophy Cabinet installed.
We'll probably have something to put in a trophy cabinet before the New stand gets built...
Quote from: Fulham76 on December 05, 2017, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 05, 2017, 08:52:33 PM
Will they bother to have a Trophy Cabinet installed.
We'll probably have something to put in a trophy cabinet before the New stand gets built...
Let's hope it's something metallic and shines in the dark, rather than something wooden and shaped similiar to a spoon.
You can view the full planning application for the Riverside Stand here http://public-access.lbhf.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=P0ADRMBIJRA00
Quote from: MJG on December 05, 2017, 06:38:39 PM
Planning ahead as well for Putney and Hammersmith:
As Fulham FC considers its potential future
expansion plans, the club must take into account
the existing features which will influence the nature
of the development. The fact that their Ground has
its own very special and unique character with four
distinct stands around the pitch, and with heritage
assets in the form of the Johnny Haynes Stand
and the Craven Cottage itself, naturally leads to
a solution that retains the four stand concept but
allows each stand to be developed, or refurbished
as necessary. The redevelopment of the Riverside
Stand maintains the four stand approach. If the
Hammersmith and Putney Stands were ever
amended or replaced at some stage in the future
they would also be expected to follow the four
stand approach. The design of the Riverside Stand
proposal has taken this into account, in so far as
there is nothing in this proposal that precludes
redevelopment of the Hammersmith and Putney
Stands in the future, and the rectilinear form of
the proposed stand with the vertical facades of the
blocks at either end of the seating tiers provide a
perfect 'book-end' in the corners of the stadium,
up to which new Hammersmith and Putney Stands
could be built, whilst retaining the setting of the
heritage listed assets and the overall special
character of the Ground as a whole.
Cheers Mike
But it still does not confirm or state where the Trophy Cabinet will be located, and how huge the Cabinet will be, I cannot find it anywhere in the plans.
Any silverware will be popped down at uncle's to raise some cash for a striker....
Quote from: Statto on December 05, 2017, 09:08:24 PM
Quote from: Fulham76 on December 05, 2017, 08:48:19 PM
Quote from: flyingfish on December 05, 2017, 08:18:31 PM
Why is it going backwards? What on earthbare you talking about?
As someone said above.... 'A couple of months ago we had planning permission, a developer and plans to start next year, now all of a sudden we have NO permission, and NO developer !
All true unfortunately. That's what I'm talking about
Agreed. And Khan and the club have lied to us before. So if I may quote George W, There's an old saying in Tennessee/Texas that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.
But this is just not true. There is stiall a planning permission it hasnt gone away. There was no developer. Its not like they started is it? The latest iteration is superior from a real estate perspectuie and the pricess shows diligence on the part of the khans. I work in the development industry and mahor developments like this are constantly reappraised and often successuve planning consents are sought. Once the initial principles are established a diligent landowber will see what else they can do and improve in. Development is an interative process and id be more concenred had they just merrily started digging away in the old consnet when it is obvious to anyone who has any feeling at all for property that there is so much more value to be squeezed from the site which ultimately will be for the good of the club.
Also a planning application itself requires commitment. It is not drawn up in an afternoon. It takes months and just the application itself will cost north of about 500k to prepare. The fact that they bothered shows intent. Sorry but they cannot be faulted on this.
i guess whether they can be faulted is down to ones own point of view on the subject. Me - I'll believe it is being built when I see the first spade break ground. I am not holding my breath.
Quote from: BedsFFC on December 05, 2017, 09:45:10 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 05, 2017, 06:38:39 PM
Planning ahead as well for Putney and Hammersmith:
As Fulham FC considers its potential future
expansion plans, the club must take into account
the existing features which will influence the nature
of the development. The fact that their Ground has
its own very special and unique character with four
distinct stands around the pitch, and with heritage
assets in the form of the Johnny Haynes Stand
and the Craven Cottage itself, naturally leads to
a solution that retains the four stand concept but
allows each stand to be developed, or refurbished
as necessary. The redevelopment of the Riverside
Stand maintains the four stand approach. If the
Hammersmith and Putney Stands were ever
amended or replaced at some stage in the future
they would also be expected to follow the four
stand approach. The design of the Riverside Stand
proposal has taken this into account, in so far as
there is nothing in this proposal that precludes
redevelopment of the Hammersmith and Putney
Stands in the future, and the rectilinear form of
the proposed stand with the vertical facades of the
blocks at either end of the seating tiers provide a
perfect 'book-end' in the corners of the stadium,
up to which new Hammersmith and Putney Stands
could be built, whilst retaining the setting of the
heritage listed assets and the overall special
character of the Ground as a whole.
Cheers Mike
No problem at all.
I went through a lot of the 201 documents last night and if you take away personal thoughts on the Khans , this is a much more comprehensive set of documents and planning than the 2013 submission.
The new designers are a step above the last set that was put forward.
Quote from: SG on December 06, 2017, 08:59:36 AM
i guess whether they can be faulted is down to ones own point of view on the subject. Me - I'll believe it is being built when I see the first spade break ground. I am not holding my breath.
Not forgetting the first club, the first diamond and the first heart.
Quote from: flyingfish on December 06, 2017, 08:47:51 AM
Quote from: Statto on December 05, 2017, 09:08:24 PM
Quote from: Fulham76 on December 05, 2017, 08:48:19 PM
Quote from: flyingfish on December 05, 2017, 08:18:31 PM
Why is it going backwards? What on earthbare you talking about?
As someone said above.... 'A couple of months ago we had planning permission, a developer and plans to start next year, now all of a sudden we have NO permission, and NO developer !
All true unfortunately. That's what I'm talking about
Agreed. And Khan and the club have lied to us before. So if I may quote George W, There's an old saying in Tennessee/Texas that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.
But this is just not true. There is stiall a planning permission it hasnt gone away. There was no developer. Its not like they started is it? The latest iteration is superior from a real estate perspectuie and the pricess shows diligence on the part of the khans. I work in the development industry and mahor developments like this are constantly reappraised and often successuve planning consents are sought. Once the initial principles are established a diligent landowber will see what else they can do and improve in. Development is an interative process and id be more concenred had they just merrily started digging away in the old consnet when it is obvious to anyone who has any feeling at all for property that there is so much more value to be squeezed from the site which ultimately will be for the good of the club.
Also a planning application itself requires commitment. It is not drawn up in an afternoon. It takes months and just the application itself will cost north of about 500k to prepare. The fact that they bothered shows intent. Sorry but they cannot be faulted on this.
Wrong !
The Buckingham Group were given the construction contract, it has now been put out for tender,
And yes we did have planning permission with work due to start next summer.
My understanding too, Riversider.
I'd really like Khan Snr to be more honest and straightforward as an owner in everything he does regarding FFC, because I am really beginning to doubt the family's interests.
I would imagine if you were a Billionaire these are the sort of projects you would like to get involved with.I'm sure he would do the same sort of thing when building one of his new Yachts. I'm that this proceeds, can't understand go through all this and not building it unless he wants to sell up with the planning permission in place.
Quote from: mrmicawbers on December 06, 2017, 02:32:16 PM
I would imagine if you were a Billionaire these are the sort of projects you would like to get involved with.I'm sure he would do the same sort of thing when building one of his new Yachts. I'm that this proceeds, can't understand go through all this and not building it unless he wants to sell up with the planning permission in place.
With a yacht, the owner mainly liaises with the consultants doing the plan approval and site supervision. They, in turn, do the liaison with the shipyard. So, in this case, he'll be dealing with the architects not the builders (who haven't been appointed yet anyway). If you're a billionaire you've little else to do but indulge your hobbies. A company I worked for built a yacht for Ivana Trump who was often on the phone. Nice lady.
Tony Khan must have asked his dad for a cowboy outfit when he was younger. The delivery is ongoing as pop is in the process of creating one in SW6.
Quote from: flyingfish on December 06, 2017, 08:47:51 AM
Quote from: Statto on December 05, 2017, 09:08:24 PM
Quote from: Fulham76 on December 05, 2017, 08:48:19 PM
Quote from: flyingfish on December 05, 2017, 08:18:31 PM
Why is it going backwards? What on earthbare you talking about?
As someone said above.... 'A couple of months ago we had planning permission, a developer and plans to start next year, now all of a sudden we have NO permission, and NO developer !
All true unfortunately. That's what I'm talking about
Agreed. And Khan and the club have lied to us before. So if I may quote George W, There's an old saying in Tennessee/Texas that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.
But this is just not true. There is stiall a planning permission it hasnt gone away. There was no developer. Its not like they started is it? The latest iteration is superior from a real estate perspectuie and the pricess shows diligence on the part of the khans. I work in the development industry and mahor developments like this are constantly reappraised and often successuve planning consents are sought. Once the initial principles are established a diligent landowber will see what else they can do and improve in. Development is an interative process and id be more concenred had they just merrily started digging away in the old consnet when it is obvious to anyone who has any feeling at all for property that there is so much more value to be squeezed from the site which ultimately will be for the good of the club.
Also a planning application itself requires commitment. It is not drawn up in an afternoon. It takes months and just the application itself will cost north of about 500k to prepare. The fact that they bothered shows intent. Sorry but they cannot be faulted on this.
So good to read some solid professional insight opposed to the normal Chairman bashing rhetoric!
These delays and improvements are perfectly normal in a project this size and is somewhat reassuring the piper who plays the tune is determined to provide an iconic Riverside structure to benefit not only the football club but the entire Fulham area.
"Go West London" reported in May that the Chairman had delayed the building work (two weeks before it was due to start) so we could maximise ticket revenues and a review on the new stand could be undertaken. Planning permission for that stand/design would still be in place.
I'm pretty sure MJG posted that as the new new stand was radically different from the old new stand another application had to be made.
I'd have to agree with Fernhurst. Being that the Club have a unique ground in a unique place any building work should try and live up to that. I'm probably biased but I feel part of the action watching football at the Cottage unlike other grounds that simply don't have a soul.
Quote from: ron on December 06, 2017, 05:25:51 PM
Tony Khan must have asked his dad for a cowboy outfit when he was younger. The delivery is ongoing as pop is in the process of creating one in SW6.
+1
Danny Murphy sums it up elsewhere and I especially like the 'walk on water' analogy he uses. Perhaps the Khans and company should learn to walk on London SW6 6HH soil first.
I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt; he's said all the right things in the past but when they mainly don't happen it'd be nice to hear from him in the form of an update. That could deflect a lot of the criticism/doubt that he receives. It would be particularly good to hear from him on recruitment policy post-Kline and whether the head coach will now get the support he wants.
Does anyone know when the counsel will be looking and hopefully agreeing these plans?
Quote from: fulhaman on December 08, 2017, 09:25:32 PM
Does anyone know when the counsel will be looking and hopefully agreeing these plans?
was told it would be looking at feb/Mar planning meetings, but tbc.