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Title: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: Baszab on December 02, 2017, 04:56:33 PM
He has contributed nothing in the last 10 games
It's just not fair on us paying money to support the team
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: filham on December 02, 2017, 05:01:44 PM
We will be told that he has to settle, acclimatise, bed in, adjust, find the pace, gain full match fitness etc., make no mistake he is right up there with our other prime failures Marlet, Mitroglou and Ruiz.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: Matt10 on December 02, 2017, 05:06:57 PM
I've come to the realization, thanks to this board, that Fonte will never win. He's DOA until he starts scoring goals, and only goals.

Not assists, not winning pens, and not holding the ball to set up others...just Goals. Afterall, that's what he's paid to do. Good luck, Fonte!
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: davew on December 02, 2017, 05:10:21 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on December 02, 2017, 05:06:57 PM
I've come to the realization, thanks to this board, that Fonte will never win. He's DOA until he starts scoring goals, and only goals.

Not assists, not winning pens, and not holding the ball to set up others...just Goals. Afterall, that's what he's paid to do. Good luck, Fonte!
At least Matt he must sleep well at night knowing he has 1 blinkered supporter on here (lol)......YOU!!
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: grandad on December 02, 2017, 05:10:44 PM
Kamara is desperate to score & Fonte is not capable of scoring in a brothel.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: davew on December 02, 2017, 05:12:40 PM
It is beyond belief that Kamara does not get more playing time, Joka obviously has his favourites, shame most of them are not Championship material!!
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: Matt10 on December 02, 2017, 05:20:26 PM
Quote from: Statto on December 02, 2017, 05:12:15 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on December 02, 2017, 05:06:57 PM
I've come to the realization, thanks to this board, that Fonte will never win. He's DOA until he starts scoring goals, and only goals.

Not assists, not winning pens, and not holding the ball to set up others...just Goals. Afterall, that's what he's paid to do. Good luck, Fonte!

We have had our differences but the impression i get from your posts is you're an intelligent and passionate fan who knows his football... in fact, just the sort of person i come on this board to hear opinions from about the club we both support... but honestly i really think you are just bang wrong about fonte for some reason... it's not a matter of perception he's just plain poor!

I appreciate it. Well I played for a living and am learning to be a coach, so yeah I'm a bit passionate. I've seen this before, and I've tried to determine where he's falling short in terms of the requirements of a striker/forward - and it's simply down to not scoring goals.

I'm a bit exhausted of having to list out what might not have happened with him on the pitch (heck, you saw my video), but that's not really valid anymore because we live in the present and not in the past. I have nothing else to suggest of Fonte, but only to start taking more shots so the numbers can work in his favor to score goals. Ojo's figured it out, and before that everyone wrote him off. Fonte better start going the same route because he's going to have less match time to have these chances - needs to make the most out of it with goals, nothing more, nothing less.

Just to be clear, before this turns into another cliche bashing (not from you Statto, FYI) , I don't want him to start anymore. I want him to score goals and do what he's supposed to do. Because there is literally no point to give him credit for anything else, because he will always look like he didn't contribute. So again, he won't win with the fans until he scores goals. Till then, he's DOA.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: filham on December 02, 2017, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on December 02, 2017, 05:06:57 PM
I've come to the realization, thanks to this board, that Fonte will never win. He's DOA until he starts scoring goals, and only goals.

Not assists, not winning pens, and not holding the ball to set up others...just Goals. Afterall, that's what he's paid to do. Good luck, Fonte!
Can you please let us know when he is going to do all those other good things because when he does the rest of the team will be scoring buckets loads of goalsand we will all be pleased to excuse a miss or two from him.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on December 02, 2017, 05:29:10 PM
Fonte does not play within the framework of the team. If he was a loose cannon but still scored goals, I can understand him being given a run out. He hasn't even got 90 minutes in him.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: fluffyninja on December 02, 2017, 06:05:34 PM
I was in the Brentford end today and what a game of 2 halves , thought some of the team played well in the first half , Kebano and Sess got a lot of joy down the left then Josh Clarke came out a changed man in the second half and they had all the joy down our left side in the second half.Big holes on that flank even before Odoi was sent off , Sess is such an attacking player and that's great but he does give the ball away a fair bit and leave the defence stranded but hey he's young and our most promising player.

Agree with all the comments on Fonte I'm afraid , well done to all you that noted things he did today , well or badly , again I don't remember anything he contributed.I tried to explain to my 2 Brentford mates we've become a 1 goal team not ripping teams apart like last year and we needed strikers.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: fluffyninja on December 02, 2017, 06:07:58 PM
Quote from: filham on December 02, 2017, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on December 02, 2017, 05:06:57 PM
I've come to the realization, thanks to this board, that Fonte will never win. He's DOA until he starts scoring goals, and only goals.

Not assists, not winning pens, and not holding the ball to set up others...just Goals. Afterall, that's what he's paid to do. Good luck, Fonte!
Can you please let us know when he is going to do all those other good things because when he does the rest of the team will be scoring buckets loads of goalsand we will all be pleased to excuse a miss or two from him.

I wouldn't mind him missing if he shot , vs Derby and today can't remember a shot or defence splitting pass or any positive contribution.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: Twig on December 02, 2017, 06:20:17 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on December 02, 2017, 05:06:57 PM
I've come to the realization, thanks to this board, that Fonte will never win. He's DOA until he starts scoring goals, and only goals.

Not assists, not winning pens, and not holding the ball to set up others...just Goals. Afterall, that's what he's paid to do. Good luck, Fonte!

Matt, if he had an exceptional assist rate then I would accept your argument but he doesn't.  As for hold up play; well he does not have many assists from holding up and setting up others and as for "winning" penalties, well I'm sorry, but I don't really see that a player "wins" pens. But even if you buy into that view how many pens has he won?  Sorry but even setting aside his lack of goal scoring I struggle to see what his contribution is.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: Matt10 on December 02, 2017, 06:50:17 PM
Quote from: Twig on December 02, 2017, 06:20:17 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on December 02, 2017, 05:06:57 PM
I've come to the realization, thanks to this board, that Fonte will never win. He's DOA until he starts scoring goals, and only goals.

Not assists, not winning pens, and not holding the ball to set up others...just Goals. Afterall, that's what he's paid to do. Good luck, Fonte!

Matt, if he had an exceptional assist rate then I would accept your argument but he doesn't.  As for hold up play; well he does not have many assists from holding up and setting up others and as for "winning" penalties, well I'm sorry, but I don't really see that a player "wins" pens. But even if you buy into that view how many pens has he won?  Sorry but even setting aside his lack of goal scoring I struggle to see what his contribution is.

Like I said, it really doesn't matter. Until he starts scoring goals, his contributions won't matter. I could list out all his contributions through the matches he was in, and I could say he didn't do anything wrong in this match. The problem is it's not about what he does right anymore, it's about what impact the right things he does and how it relates directly to our goal scoring. I'm not naive to think that he's our central point of attack, and if that player doesn't have goals next to his name - it really doesn't matter. He's an easy target, no pun intended, but because he doesn't score goals...or more importantly to me, take a couple of shots at goal, he doesn't stand a chance in this argument.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on December 02, 2017, 07:00:55 PM
Unfortunately for us, Fonte has no visible impact when he has his opportunity on the pitch, and how much did he cost.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: Matt10 on December 02, 2017, 07:04:38 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 02, 2017, 07:00:55 PM
Unfortunately for us, Fonte has no visible impact when he has his opportunity on the pitch, and how much did he cost.

Yes, I agree. His market value, and our investment, isn't paying off - just contributes to the understandable frustration with him.

I'm just at the point where I want to see some shots from the guy. Tired of him constantly trying to play everyone in. He needs to be less all over the place with his runs off the ball lately, and needs to make chances count.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: davew on December 02, 2017, 09:11:26 PM
Quote from: Twig on December 02, 2017, 06:20:17 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on December 02, 2017, 05:06:57 PM
I've come to the realization, thanks to this board, that Fonte will never win. He's DOA until he starts scoring goals, and only goals.

Not assists, not winning pens, and not holding the ball to set up others...just Goals. Afterall, that's what he's paid to do. Good luck, Fonte!

Matt, if he had an exceptional assist rate then I would accept your argument but he doesn't.  As for hold up play; well he does not have many assists from holding up and setting up others and as for "winning" penalties, well I'm sorry, but I don't really see that a player "wins" pens. But even if you buy into that view how many pens has he won?  Sorry but setting aside his lack of goal scoring I struggle to see what his contribution is.
Twig take a step back, don't give the impression that you might have missed something as regards Fonte's contribution this season, because you haven't!! Matt10 is unfortunately giving the impression that he idolises the guy, well why is he always trying to defend Fonte and suggest the rest of us on the forum (in the UK) are wrong? Rose spectacle glasses spring to mind and maybe a long ocean separates us! So it goes on about Fonte, the jury is still not out, he has been found guilty and the appeal system has determined that he should serve a longer service .......well away from FFC!! Matt10, sorry m8 but your comments really do irritate me and others. I think that we are not interested in your history (ex coach was it), video analysis of Mr Fonte or more importantly trying to criticise members of this board who have watched our club for many years (in my case 60+). The forum is here for people to express their opinions, including you and me, so in a few words was Fonte worth all that money, is he a striker, a play maker, a holder, an assistor or as I have already made up my mind a freeloader and a waste of space? Sorry this seems like a personal attack on you, it isn't!
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: Matt10 on December 02, 2017, 09:51:37 PM
Quote from: davew on December 02, 2017, 09:11:26 PM
Quote from: Twig on December 02, 2017, 06:20:17 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on December 02, 2017, 05:06:57 PM
I've come to the realization, thanks to this board, that Fonte will never win. He's DOA until he starts scoring goals, and only goals.

Not assists, not winning pens, and not holding the ball to set up others...just Goals. Afterall, that's what he's paid to do. Good luck, Fonte!

Matt, if he had an exceptional assist rate then I would accept your argument but he doesn't.  As for hold up play; well he does not have many assists from holding up and setting up others and as for "winning" penalties, well I'm sorry, but I don't really see that a player "wins" pens. But even if you buy into that view how many pens has he won?  Sorry but setting aside his lack of goal scoring I struggle to see what his contribution is.
Twig take a step back, don't give the impression that you might have missed something as regards Fonte's contribution this season, because you haven't!! Matt10 is unfortunately giving the impression that he idolises the guy, well why is he always trying to defend Fonte and suggest the rest of us on the forum (in the UK) are wrong? Rose spectacle glasses spring to mind and maybe a long ocean separates us! So it goes on about Fonte, the jury is still not out, he has been found guilty and the appeal system has determined that he should serve a longer service .......well away from FFC!! Matt10, sorry m8 but your comments really do irritate me and others. I think that we are not interested in your history (ex coach was it), video analysis of Mr Fonte or more importantly trying to criticise members of this board who have watched our club for many years (in my case 60+). The forum is here for people to express their opinions, including you and me, so in a few words was Fonte worth all that money, is he a striker, a play maker, a holder, an assistor or as I have already made up my mind a freeloader and a waste of space? Sorry this seems like a personal attack on you, it isn't!

Sorry, Dave. That was a bit personal. You can't say insults and then just say "nothing personal", and all is okay.

It's okay though. I didn't realize living far away made my comments or opinions invalid. Sorry that I don't play the role of cliche fan who wants to jump on the hate bandwagon, and start a mutiny towards the team or its players. Sorry, I'm not going to tell you want you want to hear either. That's now how I'm wired. I believe if you support Fulham, you support ALL of Fulham, no matter how crap a player you feel they are, you support them...until they aren't part of the club anymore - and of course there are exceptions.

FWIW, I didn't say anyone was right or wrong. You're grossly misunderstanding and putting words into my mouth. That's a bit sad. I've just given a different perspective. Whether it's right or wrong is down to perspective - which is what an opinion is in the first place. So before you go putting in the riot of Me vs the Forum, think again, and grow up a bit more than whatever credentials you feel validates you to dish out personal insults to anyone, whether it be here or anywhere in the world, in the first place.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: @jolslover on December 02, 2017, 10:07:24 PM
Surely if your in a foreign country you can watch all the games live on stream through Fulham TV? So he probably sees more of Fulham than you and I do (Assuming he streams the games)
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: RaySmith on December 02, 2017, 10:13:24 PM
I don't think it was doing Fonte any favours to bring him on to lead the line, when we desperate for a goal in the closing stages of the game.

Whatever his qualities, they don't seem to be  rampaging though opposing defences to try and get on the end of something - Kamara is surely more suitable for this.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: davew on December 02, 2017, 10:21:37 PM
Matt, no personal insult was intended, the inference about being across the Atlantic was probably a show of frustration against a few people living over there who have basically put this club on a downward spiral! My portfolio signature is true "Grandson of a former Director" which doesn't make me better or worse than anybody else on here! I speak from the heart!! There are a few on here (but not that many) older than me and have enjoyed and endured many years watching FFC, that is part of following any football club, not just our club! I do follow your comments which are constructive and well meant, but in regard to the subject/player we are talking about, I cannot find any substance behind why you think the guy is good enough to play for FFC? I am very surprised that there aren't more people questioning your judgement especially as there are many on here saying the same as I am! At the end of the day the true supporters want us to succeed, that is something we can agree on!! Maybe this time next week we will have experienced a more enjoyable Saturday!!
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: BedsFFC on December 02, 2017, 10:26:03 PM
Hey Matt, just wanted to say that I really like your well thought out posts on team and players. To put together a video to discuss a point of discussion was top drawer. You clearly study the game and you opened my eyes to a couple of things I was wrong on. One being Frederics and his reluctance to get early balls whipped in.
I see you are taking a bit of a battering. I'm sure you can deal with it.

As for Fonte, I fear his time is up. He needed a goal at least two weeks ago. He is starting to take stick at games just as his confidence is low. I'll be amazed if he turns it around
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: Matt10 on December 02, 2017, 10:27:30 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on December 02, 2017, 10:07:24 PM
Surely if your in a foreign country you can watch all the games live on stream through Fulham TV? So he probably sees more of Fulham than you and I do (Assuming he streams the games)

Yeah, I love FFCtv. 90 minutes replays have been incredible service, which is why I've subscribed year round. Wish it wasn't 24-hours wait though as avoiding social media and this board are hard to do.

Quote from: RaySmith on December 02, 2017, 10:13:24 PM
I don't think it was doing Fonte any favours to bring him on to lead the line, when we desperate for a goal in the closing stages of the game.

Whatever his qualities, they don't seem to be  rampaging though opposing defences to try and get on the end of something - Kamara is surely more suitable for this.

That's the reality of it all, he's just DOA no matter what. He's losing if he's on the bench as well. I have accepted that it's only going to make fans happy if he's subbed in late when we're up a couple goals. Of course, I'd predict that the complaints would be to put in some younger, unproven, blood, instead of him.

What will most likely happen is that Slav will do what he wants, and it will go against the general consensus, by playing Fonte. It's in those unwelcomed moments that Fonte needs to take advantage and stop being a team player and become a selfish one. Like some have said, a hold up player like Fonte, who is all about setting up his teammates, may not work in this framework of what the fans want. While that may be true, we do not control what the manager chooses to do with his players, so the reality is - you just hope for the best.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: JoelH5 on December 02, 2017, 11:20:58 PM
Matt, I've seen your Fifa videos, where are the Fulham ones? Specifically on Fredricks getting the ball in early.

Cheers
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: Matt10 on December 02, 2017, 11:35:36 PM
Quote from: davew on December 02, 2017, 10:21:37 PM
Matt, no personal insult was intended, the inference about being across the Atlantic was probably a show of frustration against a few people living over there who have basically put this club on a downward spiral! My portfolio signature is true "Grandson of a former Director" which doesn't make me better or worse than anybody else on here! I speak from the heart!! There are a few on here (but not that many) older than me and have enjoyed and endured many years watching FFC, that is part of following any football club, not just our club! I do follow your comments which are constructive and well meant, but in regard to the subject/player we are talking about, I cannot find any substance behind why you think the guy is good enough to play for FFC? I am very surprised that there aren't more people questioning your judgement especially as there are many on here saying the same as I am! At the end of the day the true supporters want us to succeed, that is something we can agree on!! Maybe this time next week we will have experienced a more enjoyable Saturday!!

No worries, Dave. I understand speaking from the heart. I was just surprised by that from you because of your sig. I felt I really must've pissed you off, and that's the last thing I want because there is no way I can touch your level of dedication or experience to this club. It's hard to support a club from this far away, so the only real connection is this board that I've stumbled upon - and have grown to love.

Regarding Fonte, it's not about being good enough for the club or not. By that logic, and the nature of the weekly posts here, there really isn't anyone good enough to play to our standards - except for Cairney, McDonald, Sess and Ojo, right? It's not that I don't think the criticism is valid, and necessary, but I also think that they are not 100% thought out, but are somehow 100% supported. That seems too good to be true, and that's what drives me to approach the different perspective. Just a couple weeks ago I did an analysis on Ayite because everyone was saying how weak he was in the Sheffield match, yet because of his indirect contributions we scored 3 goals.

A different perspective should not be seen as negative, or assumed to be combative, it's merely showing that there is potentially another way to look at things. After all, we're the fans, we don't control what the manager does. Make the best of it, and be the best by supporting all of the club, whether it be good enough players or not.

Can I ask a genuine question? In all honesty, if you had Fonte sitting right in front of you, and he asks what would you like from him to do to be considered good enough, what would you say to him? Keep in mind you can't control the manager, so he's going to play whether you like it or not. The answer to that question is exactly how I approach discussions with our players.

Lastly, I've said this already, but let me put it a different way. I don't want Fonte to start anymore. If the manager starts him, or subs him in, I want him to shoot when he gets the chance and I want him to be selfish. If he doesn't do this, then I will also prefer he not play. That doesn't mean he's not good enough or whatever, it just means that to me he needs to do these things - if he doesn't, then he's done to me. It's the same thing if Ojo had kept trying to dribble past everyone, the same if Fredericks wouldn't send in first time crosses, the same if Ream couldn't make a decision on the ball last year and the same if Slav keeps playing Sess out of position.

I also hope a more enjoyable Saturday next week. Shame for today. Time to drink up!
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: Matt10 on December 02, 2017, 11:40:26 PM
Quote from: BedsFFC on December 02, 2017, 10:26:03 PM
Hey Matt, just wanted to say that I really like your well thought out posts on team and players. To put together a video to discuss a point of discussion was top drawer. You clearly study the game and you opened my eyes to a couple of things I was wrong on. One being Frederics and his reluctance to get early balls whipped in.
I see you are taking a bit of a battering. I'm sure you can deal with it.

As for Fonte, I fear his time is up. He needed a goal at least two weeks ago. He is starting to take stick at games just as his confidence is low. I'll be amazed if he turns it around

The good thing is everyone's heart is in the right place - that's all that matters to me. Discussions like these are equivalent to a friendly bar gathering with a couple of pints. Agree to disagree, but keep the civility :)

Thanks for the kind words. Right when I think about not creating anymore, it's positive comments and messages like yours that give me a bit of willpower.

Fonte is at put up or shut up time for me.

Quote from: JoelH5 on December 02, 2017, 11:20:58 PM
Matt, I've seen your Fifa videos, where are the Fulham ones? Specifically on Fredricks getting the ball in early.

Cheers

Yeah, I have those unlisted as they aren't exactly the nature of the channel. Here you go though:

Fonte
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nixWHt175Es

Ayite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvKF5STchsA
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: Baszab on December 03, 2017, 01:15:58 AM
I've seen nearly every game Fonte has played in live - and believe me he may make a few diagonal runs  to take a central defender wide - but the fact is he's just bloody useless for FFC in a promotion battle - far more useless than Ruiz was who in fact was a class player
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: rogerpbackinMidEastUS on December 03, 2017, 01:40:11 AM
Mixed feelings about the posts on here, but the fact is Fonte was bought in to score goals and be in the right position to score them.
There is only one person to blame I'm sorry to say and that is the person who lets him run around all over the place to do whatever he does.
By comparison, Ruiz (who I wasn't keen on) Martin (who I was) Berbatov (say no more) Mitrolgou (who I liked - from what I saw) have all drifted back to try to get the ball when there was no service.
However there is service now from a bucket load of crosses, but Joka has not told him to 'goal hang' or get his butt into the box, which is surely his main job.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: RaySmith on December 03, 2017, 05:41:42 AM
I tend to think - well, Fonte must have something to warrant his signing for that money.

But, the thing is that he hasn't shown this so far, at a time when we are desperate for a goal scoring striker.

This is a brutal league. The rewards are great, but so are the pressures to produce - from club owners, with huge financial investment in success, and fans, who aren't very tolerant of under performing, yet highly paid, players.

Cauley Woodrow and Matt Smith were surplus to requirements, but  would they be less successful as strikers for Fulham than Fonte?

But I hope that Fonte will come good, and that he  just needs time to settle - but time isn't  a luxury  given to players in this competitive league.

I always said of Ruiz - give him a chance, he does have talent, but in the end  even I was forced to the conclusion that he just wasn't suited to the English game.

But I hope that Fonte does come good for us, and we will be forced to eat our words.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on December 03, 2017, 06:05:33 AM
I shall not be forced to eat my words, as I have lost my appetite waiting for Fonte to come good. He is a professional sportsman, if players like him cannot make an immediate impact, then he isn't good enough, and why then waste money buying him, another balls up by the amateur recruitment merchants. This nonsense about settling in is just that nonsense, how old is he 12.
These guys get paid enough money to earn their corn from day one.
It's Cobblers to make excuses about waiting for him to settle in, what are we running a holiday camp.
To pay that kind of money he should settle in as soon as he puts a kit on.
Jimmy Greaves scored on every debut he made for his new clubs, but then he was not a snowflake.
Fonte is the biggest error of judgement since the Charge of the Light Brigade in 1854.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: hovewhite on December 03, 2017, 08:58:11 AM
Quote from: Baszab on December 03, 2017, 01:15:58 AM
I've seen nearly every game Fonte has played in live - and believe me he may make a few diagonal runs  to take a central defender wide - but the fact is he's just bloody useless for FFC in a promotion battle - far more useless than Ruiz was who in fact was a class player
Now ruiz was a rolls royce to rui who i would class as a unrelient robin!
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on December 03, 2017, 05:47:56 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 03, 2017, 06:05:33 AM
I shall not be forced to eat my words, as I have lost my appetite waiting for Fonte to come good. He is a professional sportsman, if players like him cannot make an immediate impact, then he isn't good enough, and why then waste money buying him, another balls up by the amateur recruitment merchants. This nonsense about settling in is just that nonsense, how old is he 12.
These guys get paid enough money to earn their corn from day one.
It's Cobblers to make excuses about waiting for him to settle in, what are we running a holiday camp.
To pay that kind of money he should settle in as soon as he puts a kit on.
Jimmy Greaves scored on every debut he made for his new clubs, but then he was not a snowflake.
Fonte is the biggest error of judgement since the Charge of the Light Brigade in 1854.

👍
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: RaySmith on December 03, 2017, 06:17:49 PM
Just  presenting both sides of the argument.

We've paid the money for Fonte, he is a Fulham player now. Shouldn't we give him every chance to come good, while also, of course, we should avoid playing him if it means us losing games.

Presumably, The manager must see something in Fonte to play him at all, but I don't know how much longer he will continue to do so.

But we did take the lead, and seem in control in the first half, and the defensive  errors weren't Fonte's fault,  nor Odoi not getting his injury treated, or being subbed, and then a second yellow.

But I'm not pleading the case for Fonte, but just  putting forward an argument in his favour.

Personally, I'm not at all convinced that he will come good, but obviously hope he will, since he  has signed on as a Fulham player, and you can't get rid of him just like that.
Plus, we aren't exactly  overwhelmed with striking possibilities, but , like many fans, I wonder why Kamara didn't  come on instead of Fonte.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: malcbridger on December 04, 2017, 07:42:14 AM
Fonte was brought in to score goals, he has had plenty of playing time and doesn't look like he will become a 5 goal per season striker, let alone a 10-15 goal a season acquisition.
If Braga want him back for a couple of million euros less than we paid...we should bite their hand off, and try and sign Mitrovic. Slavisa knows him well from managing him at Partizan Belgrade, ok, he is a bit of a loose cannon, but...he is aggressive, has a decent scoring record and would be a positive outlet up front.
Fonte, runs around a bit, nice touches but doesn't offer any goal threat?! We need someone up front who can cope with the physical rigours of championship football, Fonte doesn't tick those boxes, Mitrovic (at a reported 9 million euros) would be a great replacement i.m.o.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: Chutney on December 04, 2017, 09:32:56 AM
Quote from: grandad on December 02, 2017, 05:10:44 PM
Kamara is desperate to score & Fonte is not capable of scoring in a brothel.

Neither of them are good enough for the championship, really shoddy recruitment.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: FFC1987 on December 04, 2017, 10:39:24 AM
I posted about this after Boro. I said he showed a few aspects of a decent footballer, nice touch, holding off defenders, but ultimately, I predicted he'd struggle in a set up not built for his game. I'd like to see if this was a stat recruit or Slav signing or both, because his stats aren't impressive at all as a goal scorer. Slav spoke a lot about having attacking options and having 2-3 strikers at his disposal who were 'the best in the league', if he sanctioned this transfer, I think it was in his plans that likely, 1-2 more were coming. Maybe a Gayle (big spend) or a Cameron (medium spend), I just don't think Slav would say/think that Fonte was the answer and going to fire in 15+ goals.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: glenhodgso on December 09, 2017, 09:27:33 PM
Quote from: Statto on December 09, 2017, 09:15:09 PM
In fairness he looked decent today, got stuck in and was successful in most challenges, didn't give the ball away once to my recollection, and very nearly scored late on with a header from a cross he did well to get on the end of

Agreed.  He looked strong and good today. Let's hope the corner has benn turned...
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: @jolslover on December 09, 2017, 09:45:28 PM
Quote from: Chutney on December 04, 2017, 09:32:56 AM
Quote from: grandad on December 02, 2017, 05:10:44 PM
Kamara is desperate to score & Fonte is not capable of scoring in a brothel.

Neither of them are good enough for the championship, really shoddy recruitment.

Disagree completely.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: Matt10 on December 09, 2017, 09:55:12 PM
I think Fonte and Kamara should be playing together somehow, and as much as we can. They both work hard off the ball and can distribute fairly well. I loved that Kamara took some shots from distance, and I was hoping that Fonte would try a bit more, but to be fair he wasn't in many positions to shoot except for the header - which he should've gotten on frame.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: Barrett487 on December 09, 2017, 10:09:44 PM
Quote from: Statto on December 09, 2017, 09:15:09 PM
In fairness he looked decent today, got stuck in and was successful in most challenges, didn't give the ball away once to my recollection, and very nearly scored late on with a header from a cross he did well to get on the end of

:plus one:

Agreed, Fonte was harrying and was more physical today. He had a couple of efforts that were close, most notably his header. I'd like to think he's beginning to get a grip with what's expected in this league. He has undoubted touch, so if he can put it about consistently, and maybe hit the target, he may become a regular.
Title: Re: Please do not play Fonte again - unless we run out of reserves
Post by: EJL on December 10, 2017, 01:39:22 AM
Fonte not being suited to the rough and tumble of the Championship has been a lazy stereotype since day one. Our fans are desperate to have a new Ruiz. We've all seen him hold the ball up and lay it off effectively despite the best efforts to stop that by, sometimes, three or four opposing players. His issues are with confidence, form and our ability to create for centre-forwards.