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Title: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: Southcoastffc on December 08, 2017, 06:21:03 PM
"We want to play many minutes in the last third of the pitch, and we must show patience, precision, quality, and show the killer instinct, be clinical in this situation."

So says Slavisa. But do any of you who are or have been coaches know how to coach clinical finishing? Or is it an entirely innate skill that can't be coached?
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: MrD1879 on December 08, 2017, 06:57:18 PM
Tough one it's normally said your born with it but after reading an article on Harry Kane he puts his down to hours and hours and hours of practise.

I think our biggest problem is a) we never shoot the amount of goals conceded from a deflection or a save off the keeper are enormous. B) we never get anyone in the box and when they do they never get across the first man
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: alfie on December 08, 2017, 08:24:06 PM
We do a lot of shooting practice in warm up, then proceed to not doing any shooting during the game.
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: grandad on December 08, 2017, 08:35:30 PM
Slavisa should get them to do 3 & in.
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: filham on December 08, 2017, 09:49:52 PM
We need to get the ball quickly to men with a bit of space in or around the box. We need some six passes to get to the box by which time it is full of opponents.
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: HatterDon on December 09, 2017, 04:50:33 AM
What you can do to improve finishing? Encourage your strikers to be greedy in front of goal. Get your midfielders to make passes that turn defenders.

In the few Fulham matches I've been able to watch this season, there seems to be a general reluctance to shoot. As GWG [that's Great Wayne Gretsky] once said, "You miss 100% of shots you never take." Slava's passing game seems to me to discourage this greediness that all great goal scorers we know.
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: RaySmith on December 09, 2017, 07:13:54 AM
Feeling confident enough to  risk missing, and the crowd getting on your back.

I don't think it's a matter of  lack of shooting skill, but things just aren't flowing for our players at the moment,  scoring a few in a couple of wins  would do wonders.

Also, we don't have a recognised front man, who can get in the box and on the end of things. The  'easy' headers missed by Ojo are an example of this, though the lad did well to get into those positions, and  the chances were the product of great  moves from the team.

Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: toshes mate on December 09, 2017, 11:53:31 AM
Sure the first rule of finishing is always to be in the right position to finish, and perhaps it is an instinct that certain players have.  But it does tend to come and go with even the best strikers we have witnessed over the years and only a few seem to have that magic touch engrained so deep it doesn't go away. 

Last season we created spaces by moving the opposition about via patience, possession and passing, the three 'Ps' that seem to have gone awry this time around.  Some of it is the players themselves, their confidence levels, their concentration when not in possession and their bonding with team mates.  It's the same equation SJ and his staff had to work hard to achieve last season and it will happen again if the players look, listen and learn.
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: HatterDon on December 10, 2017, 02:44:34 AM
What's needed was summed up best by a former USA national team coach when he was asked what made Clint Dempsey a successful goalscorer: "He tries poo."
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: HatterDon on December 10, 2017, 02:45:15 AM
poo? really? are we like 5 years old?
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: Ronnief on December 10, 2017, 10:55:14 AM
Having watched the shooting practice in both the under 23's on Friday and then yesterday for the first team, there are too many players incapable of shooting on target even when not under pressure. I think our best shooters are in the under 23's.
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on December 10, 2017, 10:59:49 AM
Any shooters in the first team that cannot shoot need shooting.
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: filham on December 11, 2017, 01:05:30 PM
How to improve our shooting, just try rubbing shoulders with Ivor.
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: ScalleysDad on December 11, 2017, 01:29:31 PM
its time on the training ground, its realistic scenarios with pressure applied at times, more time on the training ground and practice, practice, practice which does not include running up to a ball unchallenged and blazing it wide which is a highlight of our warm up routine. I met a senior England coach at a seminar a few years back who titled his session 'getting the eyes in'. The session went on to look at getting the player to view the spaces in the box, where the ball was coming from, who had the ball and what the cross/pass was likely to be, anticipation, and we even covered orientation in the box which was very basically backs to the goal and then line up the near post or the far post from the pitch markings, the D for example or your alignment with your own goal, so that further options became available to you such as the one touch turn and shoot or shielding the ball, allowing it to travel and then shooting. Working with the forwards in such scenarios never included passing. The two goals Defoe scored against Palace recently were exactly what this session aimed to put across.
Class is permanent but practice something enough and it will see you through.
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on December 11, 2017, 01:52:02 PM
Quote from: alfie on December 08, 2017, 08:24:06 PM
We do a lot of shooting practice in warm up, then proceed to not doing any shooting during the game.


If that's the case, then somebody should be shot.
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: sarnian on December 11, 2017, 03:51:47 PM
Quote from: alfie on December 08, 2017, 08:24:06 PM
We do a lot of shooting practice in warm up, then proceed to not doing any shooting during the game.

Players don't seem to be coached in getting their heads over the ball when shooting.

In the warm up at games most shots seem to pepper the JH stand and both Johanssen and Ojo should have scored Saturday but both were leaning back when shooting  :dft003:
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: Southcoastffc on December 11, 2017, 03:53:18 PM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on December 11, 2017, 01:29:31 PM
its time on the training ground, its realistic scenarios with pressure applied at times, more time on the training ground and practice, practice, practice which does not include running up to a ball unchallenged and blazing it wide which is a highlight of our warm up routine. I met a senior England coach at a seminar a few years back who titled his session 'getting the eyes in'. The session went on to look at getting the player to view the spaces in the box, where the ball was coming from, who had the ball and what the cross/pass was likely to be, anticipation, and we even covered orientation in the box which was very basically backs to the goal and then line up the near post or the far post from the pitch markings, the D for example or your alignment with your own goal, so that further options became available to you such as the one touch turn and shoot or shielding the ball, allowing it to travel and then shooting. Working with the forwards in such scenarios never included passing. The two goals Defoe scored against Palace recently were exactly what this session aimed to put across.
Class is permanent but practice something enough and it will see you through.
Thanks ScalleysDad. I knew someone must have a better understanding of the complexities involved.
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: ScalleysDad on December 11, 2017, 04:48:51 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on December 11, 2017, 03:53:18 PM
Quote from: ScalleysDad on December 11, 2017, 01:29:31 PM
its time on the training ground, its realistic scenarios with pressure applied at times, more time on the training ground and practice, practice, practice which does not include running up to a ball unchallenged and blazing it wide which is a highlight of our warm up routine. I met a senior England coach at a seminar a few years back who titled his session 'getting the eyes in'. The session went on to look at getting the player to view the spaces in the box, where the ball was coming from, who had the ball and what the cross/pass was likely to be, anticipation, and we even covered orientation in the box which was very basically backs to the goal and then line up the near post or the far post from the pitch markings, the D for example or your alignment with your own goal, so that further options became available to you such as the one touch turn and shoot or shielding the ball, allowing it to travel and then shooting. Working with the forwards in such scenarios never included passing. The two goals Defoe scored against Palace recently were exactly what this session aimed to put across.
Class is permanent but practice something enough and it will see you through.
Thanks ScalleysDad. I knew someone must have a better understanding of the complexities involved.


The snag with this is that it is not that complicated. If the current coaching staff do not have the basic ability, experience or natural flair to deliver sessions that count then get a DVD player in and show the 100 Great Goals compilation. There are hundreds of articulate, passionate and gifted coaches out there who could do a job for us. Perhaps we should be scouting coaches and not decidedly average players from the continent?
Progress of sorts would be an end to the pathetic warm up routine of blazing the ball high and wide. Targets, even skittles, on the goal line would be a start as the Keeper gets nothing out of this exercise either.
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: Keynsham on December 11, 2017, 05:08:37 PM
Remember Andy Cole on the BBC advert all about muscle memory.  I'mg guessing that must be a thing.
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: Southcoastffc on December 11, 2017, 05:39:12 PM
Next home game, watch how good the goalkeeping coach is at shooting. I don't know who he is but he's far better (at least in the warm-up) than anyone else in Fulham kit.
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: ScalleysDad on December 11, 2017, 07:21:48 PM
Quote from: Statto on December 11, 2017, 06:28:18 PM
has it occurred to some that the purpose of a "warm up" routine is to warm up? ie, not to make long-term improvements to players' inherent level of skill, whicb is something done over many hours/days/weeks/months/years on the training ground

Standing in line to take turns to receive a short pass to take a shot, which most of the players do badly, can hardly be worthwhile, especially if those hours,days,weeks,years are used effectively, as it is not  likely to get the cardiovascular system ticking over or keep the muscles and tendons tuned in. Blimey breath Galvin!
We have lost our way in warm ups lately . . . . Oh for the days of Lewington marching from group to group with a quiet word or a show and tell.
Title: Re: How to coach clinical finishing
Post by: Carborundum on December 11, 2017, 08:57:31 PM
Mohamed Salah scored an amazing goal at the weekend.  What impressed me was how he never looked to see where the goal or goalkeeper were once the ball was with him.  He'd clocked all that before he got the ball and didn't need to check.  Only that enabled his actions to result in a goal.  The best thing is, that can be coached.  When to look and when not to look. How to look.  What to look for. 

It all comes down to hard work and confidence.  And putting in hard work breeds confidence.