Then surely Graham has to be a strong contender for the far wide left position? Unless, Slav bring Odoi in at left back, and moves Sessegnon up. Personally, I feel he may play Sessegnon at left back again, so, are we likely to see the following?
Betts
Fred - Kalas - Ream - Sess
McDonald
Ojo - Norwood - Cairney - Graham
Johansen (False 9)
All being fit Sess LW and Odoi LB no question. Sunderland huge game and I can't see Grahame being risked. Shame Mollo has fallen away, could have been exactly what we needed.
Mollo was on the bench Saturday wasn't he?Maybe back in contention with any luck
Quote from: mrmicawbers on December 12, 2017, 01:54:09 PM
Mollo was on the bench Saturday wasn't he?Maybe back in contention with any luck
Indeed with DLT and Graham. If we had to play Sess LB then Mollo gets there ahead of Graham who, quite frankly, has so far been a waste of time.
Quote from: Statto on December 12, 2017, 01:25:18 PM
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on December 12, 2017, 01:16:21 PM
All being fit Sess LW and Odoi LB no question.
Exactly. Surely even the harshest Jokanovic critic wouldn't suggest he's been playing Sessegnon at LB out of choice these last few games.
Jocanovic has been playing Sess at left back from choice most of the season. Perhaps if we stop asking for Sess. to be moved forward it may happen.
Bettinelli
Fredericks - Kalas - Ream - Odoi
Norwood - McDonald
Ojo - Cairney - Sessegnon
Kamara
Bench: Button, Djalo, Edun, Johansen, de la Torre, Graham/Mollo, Fonte
Bettinelli, Fredericks Kalas Ream Odoi, Mcdonald Norwood Cairney, Ojo Fonte Sessegnon
Most likely:
Betts
Fredericks Kalas Ream Sess
McDonald
Cairney Norwood
Ojo Johansen Fonte
What I would hope to see:
Betts
Fredericks Kalas Ream Odoi
McDonald
Cairney Norwood
Ojo Kamara Sess
Johansen should not be a false 9 we need to give Kamara a chance. His pace away from home could be crucial
Although he did not show us much at the beginning of the season, Graham has been outstanding for the U23s in their last few games and must surely have earned a run out for the first team sometime soon.
He knows where the goal is and his goals have been quality.
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on December 12, 2017, 07:39:43 PM
Although he did not show us much at the beginning of the season, Graham has been outstanding for the U23s in their last few games and must surely have earned a run out for the first team sometime soon.
He knows where the goal is and his goals have been quality.
But u23s is literally league 2 standard.
It's just not right to describe a man with 1 senior goal in 23 games as 'knowing where the goal is'
He is a direct winger who is an asset and can take men on but he's not a goalscorer by any means. I would have Mollo starting ahead of him.
The answer surely is move our most effective forward Sess up to left win, odoi left back and for God's sake no Johanson as a false 9/ extra 10. For me I would go:
Betts
Fredericks Kalas Ream Odoi
Kmac
Norwood Cairney
Ojo Sess
Kamara
It's a funny old game as somebody in football once said. I see Stefjo is out of favour with a few team selections and the pyriah that was once Oliver Norwood is shoe horned in. I know Johansen has been carrying an injury which might have had an impact on his performances lately but I also think he is being strangled by the game plan. He and Cairney bringing the ball out through the midfield and threatening the opposition goal was a thing of beauty less than a year ago
Betts.
Fredericks
Kalas
Ream
Odoi
McDonald
Norwood
Cairney
Ojo
Sess
Fonte
Then take Fonte off after 20 minutes of play, and bring Kamara on as an impact sub.
Quote from: MrD1879 on December 12, 2017, 08:13:00 PM
The answer surely is move our most effective forward Sess up to left win, odoi left back and for God's sake no Johanson as a false 9/ extra 10. For me I would go:
Betts
Fredericks Kalas Ream Odoi
Kmac
Norwood Cairney
Ojo Sess
Kamara
This is by far the most obvious team selection, can't see why Jocanovic needs to give it much consideration.
Quote from: ScalleysDad on December 12, 2017, 08:28:24 PM
It's a funny old game as somebody in football once said. I see Stefjo is out of favour with a few team selections and the pyriah that was once Oliver Norwood is shoe horned in. I know Johansen has been carrying an injury which might have had an impact on his performances lately but I also think he is being strangled by the game plan. He and Cairney bringing the ball out through the midfield and threatening the opposition goal was a thing of beauty less than a year ago
I like Johansen very much. I think his work rate off the ball and his direct play, not to mention goal scoring, is what we need.
With that said, Joka wants a 3 forward system. Where else could Johansen go?
If we could seriously let go of the 3 forward system, and go to a 4-4-2, then transition to a 4-5-1 in defense, I could see Johansen getting a chance to truly play his position.
I think you're right though, he's a bit of a scapegoat from a product of the gameplan, in particular the concept of the False-9. Whoever plays that role, is pretty much going to be marked out of position. The thing is, with Joka, you are not going to play your true position. I think the sooner we can accept that, the less gloomy things will be...or...the sooner Joka will accept it's wrong...the less gloomy things will be. So take your pick :)
Quote from: filham on December 12, 2017, 09:03:37 PM
Quote from: MrD1879 on December 12, 2017, 08:13:00 PM
The answer surely is move our most effective forward Sess up to left win, odoi left back and for God's sake no Johanson as a false 9/ extra 10. For me I would go:
Betts
Fredericks Kalas Ream Odoi
Kmac
Norwood Cairney
Ojo Sess
Kamara
This is by far the most obvious team selection, can't see why Jocanovic needs to give it much consideration.
I agree, and if my life depended on it, I would select your team. The one I chose was what I think Sepp Blatter would have chosen.
But please note I was prepared to sub the hapless Fonte for the more effective Kamara after 1200 seconds.
Quote from: filham on December 12, 2017, 09:03:37 PM
Quote from: MrD1879 on December 12, 2017, 08:13:00 PM
The answer surely is move our most effective forward Sess up to left win, odoi left back and for God's sake no Johanson as a false 9/ extra 10. For me I would go:
Betts
Fredericks Kalas Ream Odoi
Kmac
Norwood Cairney
Ojo Sess
Kamara
This is by far the most obvious team selection, can't see why Jocanovic needs to give it much consideration.
I'd go with this too and rest SJ. In fact I'd get him in for surgery, the sooner we get a fully fit SJ back the better.
Quote from: Twig on December 12, 2017, 10:13:37 PM
Quote from: filham on December 12, 2017, 09:03:37 PM
Quote from: MrD1879 on December 12, 2017, 08:13:00 PM
The answer surely is move our most effective forward Sess up to left win, odoi left back and for God's sake no Johanson as a false 9/ extra 10. For me I would go:
Betts
Fredericks Kalas Ream Odoi
Kmac
Norwood Cairney
Ojo Sess
Kamara
This is by far the most obvious team selection, can't see why Jocanovic needs to give it much consideration.
I'd go with this too and rest SJ. In fact I'd get him in for surgery, the sooner we get a fully fit SJ back the better.
All of the above.
Regarding SJ. As last season waned away I would have put SJ in a box and hidden him away for the summer as I felt sure a better offer was coming. However I think we are quite safe in keeping him this January but with my uber suspicious mind in full flow I doubt we will buy anybody of note. Therefore yes pack him off for surgery and rehab and by very late January or mid Feb we might just get the player we had and it will be like a new signing. Mind you then he will have to find a slot in whatever formation we are trying out at the time. 3.5.1 with him in a free roaming role perhaps?
Having KMac, Cairney , Norwood and now obviously a glut of midfielders from the academy like Edun, De la Torre to fill the void, we have been able to afford to take Stef Jo out of midfield. Whether it's niggling injuries or plain second season syndrome , he is a shadow of himself .
It can't help throwing himself as a square peg into a false round hole, surely an unconfident striker or academy boy is better than playing a clearly lacking sharpness Stef jo in a position he either is struggling with, isn't confident with or can't do.
We actually have the luxury of reinforcements in midfield yet we use that fact to reinforce the forward line instead of keeping our square pegs in square holes refreshed and rested when they need it
I also remember when Norwood wasn't good enough for us, apparently.
Quote from: Keynsham on December 13, 2017, 09:47:11 AM
I also remember when Norwood wasn't good enough for us, apparently.
He had a couple of shockers when he first joined us and looked like a player that would provide cover and not start but with Stef Jo's injury/lack of form he's earnt his place for me
Quote from: RolandAJ on December 13, 2017, 05:28:14 AM
Quote from: Twig on December 12, 2017, 10:13:37 PM
Quote from: filham on December 12, 2017, 09:03:37 PM
Quote from: MrD1879 on December 12, 2017, 08:13:00 PM
The answer surely is move our most effective forward Sess up to left win, odoi left back and for God's sake no Johanson as a false 9/ extra 10. For me I would go:
Betts
Fredericks Kalas Ream Odoi
Kmac
Norwood Cairney
Ojo Sess
Kamara
This is by far the most obvious team selection, can't see why Jocanovic needs to give it much consideration.
I'd go with this too and rest SJ. In fact I'd get him in for surgery, the sooner we get a fully fit SJ back the better.
All of the above.
A lot of us in favour of this obvious line up, you can bet your life Jocanovic will go for something different.
Quote from: filham on December 13, 2017, 12:45:06 PM
Quote from: RolandAJ on December 13, 2017, 05:28:14 AM
Quote from: Twig on December 12, 2017, 10:13:37 PM
Quote from: filham on December 12, 2017, 09:03:37 PM
Quote from: MrD1879 on December 12, 2017, 08:13:00 PM
The answer surely is move our most effective forward Sess up to left win, odoi left back and for God's sake no Johanson as a false 9/ extra 10. For me I would go:
Betts
Fredericks Kalas Ream Odoi
Kmac
Norwood Cairney
Ojo Sess
Kamara
This is by far the most obvious team selection, can't see why Jocanovic needs to give it much consideration.
I'd go with this too and rest SJ. In fact I'd get him in for surgery, the sooner we get a fully fit SJ back the better.
All of the above.
A lot of us in favour of this obvious line up, you can bet your life Jocanovic will go for something different.
Yes you could well be right. But I would feel much more confident if this was the starting lineup.
I hope Jok reads this thread.
Yeah, I'm probably overdoing it a bit to be fair.
But still, I think you and hpoefuly some others get my gist.
For me we should attack Sunderland Saturday if Kebano & Ayite are unavailable I would like to see
Bettinelli
Fredericks Kalas Ream Odoi
McDonald Norwood
Ojo Cairney Sessegnon
Kamara
Subs - Button , Djalo , Johansen , De La Torre , Mollo , Graham , Fonte
Quote from: JackHFFC1990 on December 13, 2017, 05:42:07 PM
For me we should attack Sunderland Saturday if Kebano & Ayite are unavailable I would like to see
Bettinelli
Fredericks Kalas Ream Odoi
McDonald Norwood
Ojo Cairney Sessegnon
Kamara
Subs - Button , Djalo , Johansen , De La Torre , Mollo , Graham , Fonte
Yes I would go with that starting lineup. Sunderland are there for the taking if we are prepared and organised. Hit them hard from the start, don't give them hope when their isn't any, score first and silence the crowd. Sow seeds of doubt in their minds. Starve them of the ball once we go 3 Up. We have to be ruthless, but are the team and the manager capable of taking no prisoners
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 12, 2017, 08:43:13 PM
Betts.
Fredericks
Kalas
Ream
Odoi
McDonald
Norwood
Cairney
Ojo
Sess
Fonte
Then take Fonte off after 20 minutes of play, and bring Kamara on as an impact sub.
Give him as much as 20 mins?
Bit excessive Woolly!
I last saw us play at the S of L at the start of the 13-14 season where we scraped a 1-0 win, it is my birthday on Saturday and I am expecting a nice present of a convincing win, no matter who plays. I won't know till Monday when I watch the game on ftv. Hopefully worth the wait.
Quote from: kiwian on December 14, 2017, 10:56:00 PM
I last saw us play at the S of L at the start of the 13-14 season where we scraped a 1-0 win, it is my birthday on Saturday and I am expecting a nice present of a convincing win, no matter who plays. I won't know till Monday when I watch the game on ftv. Hopefully worth the wait.
Hey. My birthday Saturday too.
Dec 16th. My best away game on that date in a snowy Basel
Quote from: Jims Dentist on December 14, 2017, 06:57:54 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 12, 2017, 08:43:13 PM
Betts.
Fredericks
Kalas
Ream
Odoi
McDonald
Norwood
Cairney
Ojo
Sess
Fonte
Then take Fonte off after 20 minutes of play, and bring Kamara on as an impact sub.
Give him as much as 20 mins?
Bit excessive Woolly!
On second thoughts, perhaps I am being far too generous
betts
Fredericks
Ream
Kalas
Soares
Johansen
Cairney
Norwood
Sessegnon
Ojo
Kamara
Quote from: kevin on December 15, 2017, 12:03:19 PM
betts
Fredericks
Ream
Kalas
Soares
Johansen
Cairney
Norwood
Sessegnon
Ojo
Kamara
Is there any reason why you have left out McDonald, and why would you favour Soures over Odoi ?
Oh dear our need for a striker is really beginning to show, Fonte and Kamara have shared 32 games between them with only a tally of 3 goals. No wonder the coach is putting his faith in an invisible striker who has scored 4 goals from 20 games.
We can still bring in a reasonable player in the winter widow who can finish the season as leading scorer.
Have a good one Beds.
Id go keeper.... really dont think it matters who, fred, kalas, ream, odoi,
Mcdonald, norwood, cairney.
Ojo, sess.
Fonte
I actually think both kamara and fonte looked bright last game. Im starting with fonte because he has clearly worked hard, become more physically competitive and kamara is probably a tired defender's worse nightmare
Jokanovic has only had his strongest team available on a few occasions this year . Norwood has done well but one of the success stories of last year was that midfield axis of macdonald , Cairney , johanson. I would aim to get that up and running again . There is no out and out left back at the club ( Sess is definitely at his best in the front 3 ) and there is no out and centre forward at the club . Fonte or Kamara is the best option . Plenty of players have been poor here when they first arrived ( Gera , Baird , Zamora ) , I think fonte just needs some confidence .
Quote from: bahay18 on December 15, 2017, 10:48:03 PM
Jokanovic has only had his strongest team available on a few occasions this year . Norwood has done well but one of the success stories of last year was that midfield axis of macdonald , Cairney , johanson. I would aim to get that up and running again . There is no out and out left back at the club ( Sess is definitely at his best in the front 3 ) and there is no out and centre forward at the club . Fonte or Kamara is the best option . Plenty of players have been poor here when they first arrived ( Gera , Baird , Zamora ) , I think fonte just needs some confidence .
It's not Confidence Fonte needs, he Is not 12 years old.
What he needs is a kick up the backside, he thinks and plays as if Fulham Football Club is a flaming Holiday Camp.
If he was an 18 year old from the Academy, the self righteous elite would be saying he ain't good enough, too light weight, too inexperienced, far too young, nowhere near good enough.
But he isn't, he is a £9m waste of time, because at that price, anyone who knows anything about football will understand he should by now be scoring regularly and making an impact. That's what £9m players are paid to do, otherwise why would this club be such mugs as to buy him for him to spend 6 months growing a pair, like so many like him seem to need.
As for any injuries we may sustain just like any other club, as we are not the only club, every club gets injuries. In our case we never made enough effort or had the foresight vision or intelligence to recruit enough cover in key positions for the unexpected.
The recruitment and the keystone cop stats dudes have let us down once again.
Yet another reason the club has to change its recruitment policy and replace some of its staff for such incompetentance.
Quote from: Statto on December 12, 2017, 08:24:50 PM
Quote from: MrD1879 on December 12, 2017, 08:13:00 PM
Betts
Fredericks Kalas Ream Odoi
Kmac
Norwood Cairney
Ojo Sess
Kamara
Same but Fonte up front to me, played well Saturday and I also think Kamara more effective as an impact sub
Betts
Fredericks Kalas Ream Odoi
Kmac
Norwood Cairney
Ojo Sess
Fonte
:plus one:
Whichever one we start with, they look better balanced. The main issue is how Jok game manages, and to use his subs in a proactive manner not in a reactive one.