But fail to make the leap to the Prem, who would ask Slav to go? I personally would still back him, two straight playoff appearances is immense, the sign of something going right and just the finishing functions of the players costing Slav and us supporters, not the other way around. This question presumes he doesn't leave on his own accord.
Forget Wolves they are up ,but looking at the current form of both Derby and Villa they should be red hot favourites to beat anyone else in the playoffs.
Still look at what Huddersfield did and are still doing.
Don't know if Slav will stay if we make play-offs, but fail again to go up, without, maybe, a guarantee of massive investment in the team.
Quote from: Stoneleigh Loyalist on January 18, 2018, 04:08:03 PM
Forget Wolves they are up ,but looking at the current form of both Derby and Villa they should be red hot favourites to beat anyone else in the playoffs.
Still look at what Huddersfield did and are still doing.
weren't we favourites to beat everyone in the playoffs last year? the games are "cup ties" anything can happen
I think another thread summarised it well within the first few replies... if we fail to go up again we will likely lose a number of key players eg Sess, McDonald, Cairney plus Kalas might not return (indeed it's 50:50 actually whether he will signed by someone next season as I think Chelsea will probably (and v v prematurely in my book) cut their ties).
Next season we will need someone to rebuild a squad... god knows how that will end with our current club ethos surrounding transfers.
If we make the playoffs again then win or lose I wold want SJ to stay.
Stay. I'm honestly not impressed with either Aston Villa or Derby. Sign a striker, get Cairney fit and play to the potential we all know we have and we could give both of those a massive hiding.
Quote from: Twig on January 18, 2018, 05:14:25 PM
If we make the playoffs again then win or lose I wold want SJ to stay.
:plus one:
This is the man to take us up, whether it's this season or not.
Yeah I wouldn't want Slav to leave, regardless if we make it up or not.
Quote from: BestOfBrede on January 18, 2018, 06:00:53 PM
Quote from: Twig on January 18, 2018, 05:14:25 PM
If we make the playoffs again then win or lose I wold want SJ to stay.
:plus one:
This is the man to take us up, whether it's this season or not.
Agree. But are we now in a better place than we were this time last season? Are we stocked with players more likely to transition to the Premier League if we were to get promoted than we were last season? Or have we taken a half step backwards?
I totally agree that I would like slav to stay no matter what but should he decide to leave who would be a good bet to replace him?
That's not the question. We go for top 2.
I'd let him see out his 3yr contract, personally
I would say, "Stay"
The Payoffs are a 'lottery' as we found out last year.
If he gets us there of course it will be a sucess but also disappointing as we
hoped for more, but that was then.
If he gets in his own players and we don't make automatic promotion this or next year
we need to have a s closer look.
If we sell Cairney that will be his signal to leave, but that isn't going to happen.
West Brom go away.
I would sell Sess for a minum of 35,000,000 and make sure (from football experts, who ever they are}
that money is well spent.
Whatever the dice roll he is under our microscope
Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on January 18, 2018, 10:02:14 PM
I'd let him see out his 3yr contract, personally
+1
We should keep him even if we don't make the playoffs.
Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on January 18, 2018, 10:02:14 PM
I'd let him see out his 3yr contract, personally
And i'd Try to negotiate a new contract or an extension. With SJ's playing style continuity is essential, players learn and improve, also the team as a unit gels. Even the youngsters and academy players start to learn to play SJ's style. We need to build for the long term.
Quote from: Milo on January 18, 2018, 05:11:19 PM
I think another thread summarised it well within the first few replies... if we fail to go up again we will likely lose a number of key players eg Sess, McDonald, Cairney plus Kalas might not return (indeed it's 50:50 actually whether he will signed by someone next season as I think Chelsea will probably (and v v prematurely in my book) cut their ties).
Next season we will need someone to rebuild a squad... god knows how that will end with our current club ethos surrounding transfers.
Yes , if we fail to go up this team could fall apart and we will need a bunch of our youngsters to come through and form the basis of a new team. The qaulity of our youngsters will be of prime importance
He is a good manager who likes to see his teams play good football. Two play-offs in a row shows progress on where we were before. We're only 2 or 3 players short of a side that should be challenging for automatic promotion, so that's where the focus should be.
Quote from: choice_of_ends on January 18, 2018, 09:13:52 PM
That's not the question. We go for top 2.
My bet is on finishing runnners up to Wolves.
Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on January 18, 2018, 10:02:14 PM
I'd let him see out his 3yr contract, personally
Well it runs to summer 2019 so thats fine
Given our squad, making the play offs would be over achieving, like last season, credit to the manager.
Quote from: Chutney on January 19, 2018, 12:32:39 PM
Given our squad, making the play offs would be over achieving, like last season, credit to the manager.
This overachieving is lasting a long time seeing as since Jan 1st 2017 we have 86 points from 50 games. Long may it last
If we reach the play off's and don't go up it will surely suggest continued lack of investment in the squad by the owners and those supposedly advising them.
I think we've been here before!
Quote from: MJG on January 19, 2018, 12:42:09 PM
Quote from: Chutney on January 19, 2018, 12:32:39 PM
Given our squad, making the play offs would be over achieving, like last season, credit to the manager.
This overachieving is lasting a long time seeing as since Jan 1st 2017 we have 86 points from 50 games. Long may it last
Yeah on the one hand we have the best midfield in the championship, and one of the best players in Sess, on the other hand our squad is rubbish and overachieving.
On the one hand Slav is no good, on the other hand he is overacheiving with his squad of players. Isn't thta what we want him to do?
Quote from: MikeW on January 19, 2018, 01:03:03 PM
If we reach the play off's and don't go up it will surely suggest continued lack of investment in the squad by the owners and those supposedly advising them.
I think we've been here before!
Or, like many football games since the stat of history, the outcome is determined by a bit of random chance, an odd bounce of the ball, an injury, poor decision from ref (like vs Reading last year), deflection into the goal...
I'm not sure that successive play off appearances is evidence of 'under investment'. All the teams below 6th place would gladly swap with those above.
If the club are genuinely serious about the ambition to achieve promotion.
Then we shouldn't have to rely on a bounce or a referee decision or anything random. If the club prepares properly and the team are organised and fit. Plus the Owner backs his managers qualified requests for team strengthening by bringing in the necessary players to strengthen our weaknesses, Then that increases our chances of going up no matter what else happens.
For example. If we are capable of taking our chances and score enough goals, then any contentious referees decision or bounce of the ball will not or should not effect the result.
But whist we are on the edge with regards to sustaining injuries we cannot cover, and continue to rely on over performing and worrying about keeping clean sheets.
Then If that is ignored again in this window, then our chances will be severely reduced and we may have to rely on pot luck on the day, like last year,, and we know what happened there.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 19, 2018, 01:22:04 PM
If the club are genuinely serious about the ambition to achieve promotion.
Then we shouldn't have to rely on a bounce or a referee decision or anything random. If the club prepares properly and the team are organised and fit. Plus the Owner backs his managers qualified requests for team strengthening by bringing in the necessary players to strengthen our weaknesses, Then that increases our chances of going up no matter what else happens.
For example. If we are capable of taking our chances and score enough goals, then any contentious referees decision or bounce of the ball will not or should not effect the result.
But whist we are on the edge with regards to sustaining injuries we cannot cover, and continue to rely on over performing and worrying about keeping clean sheets.
Then If that is ignored again in this window, then our chances will be severely reduced and we may have to rely on pot luck on the day, like last year,, and we know what happened there.
But they do. An enormous number of games are determined by chance and random events. A better team will mitigate against that, fair enough, but this cannot be eliminated. But for the handball decision last season, perhaps we were good enough to go up. We had already smashed Huddersfield twice, so it would suggest so. But one cannot mitigate against all random events and the owners cannot be held responsible for lack of investment when it was a dodgy penalty that cost us the playoffs.
Quote from: flyingfish on January 19, 2018, 01:39:58 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 19, 2018, 01:22:04 PM
If the club are genuinely serious about the ambition to achieve promotion.
Then we shouldn't have to rely on a bounce or a referee decision or anything random. If the club prepares properly and the team are organised and fit. Plus the Owner backs his managers qualified requests for team strengthening by bringing in the necessary players to strengthen our weaknesses, Then that increases our chances of going up no matter what else happens.
For example. If we are capable of taking our chances and score enough goals, then any contentious referees decision or bounce of the ball will not or should not effect the result.
But whist we are on the edge with regards to sustaining injuries we cannot cover, and continue to rely on over performing and worrying about keeping clean sheets.
Then If that is ignored again in this window, then our chances will be severely reduced and we may have to rely on pot luck on the day, like last year,, and we know what happened there.
But they do. An enormous number of games are determined by chance and random events. A better team will mitigate against that, fair enough, but this cannot be eliminated. But for the handball decision last season, perhaps we were good enough to go up. We had already smashed Huddersfield twice, so it would suggest so. But one cannot mitigate against all random events and the owners cannot be held responsible for lack of investment when it was a dodgy penalty that cost us the playoffs.
The owner did not Back the Manager last January when he needed it, and so far, unless something, anything, develops of significance, before the end of the month. it appears that a similar situation is occurring, which is in danger of culminating in the same ending.
So if that is the case once again, the moral of this story is "they never learn".
Quote from: gang on January 19, 2018, 11:44:55 AM
Quote from: choice_of_ends on January 18, 2018, 09:13:52 PM
That's not the question. We go for top 2.
My bet is on finishing runnners up to Wolves.
With you all the way and it is still possible, although it may not be Wolves..... :-)
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 19, 2018, 05:52:21 PM
Quote from: flyingfish on January 19, 2018, 01:39:58 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 19, 2018, 01:22:04 PM
If the club are genuinely serious about the ambition to achieve promotion.
Then we shouldn't have to rely on a bounce or a referee decision or anything random. If the club prepares properly and the team are organised and fit. Plus the Owner backs his managers qualified requests for team strengthening by bringing in the necessary players to strengthen our weaknesses, Then that increases our chances of going up no matter what else happens.
For example. If we are capable of taking our chances and score enough goals, then any contentious referees decision or bounce of the ball will not or should not effect the result.
But whist we are on the edge with regards to sustaining injuries we cannot cover, and continue to rely on over performing and worrying about keeping clean sheets.
Then If that is ignored again in this window, then our chances will be severely reduced and we may have to rely on pot luck on the day, like last year,, and we know what happened there.
But they do. An enormous number of games are determined by chance and random events. A better team will mitigate against that, fair enough, but this cannot be eliminated. But for the handball decision last season, perhaps we were good enough to go up. We had already smashed Huddersfield twice, so it would suggest so. But one cannot mitigate against all random events and the owners cannot be held responsible for lack of investment when it was a dodgy penalty that cost us the playoffs.
The owner did not Back the Manager last January when he needed it, and so far, unless something, anything, develops of significance, before the end of the month. it appears that a similar situation is occurring, which is in danger of culminating in the same ending.
So if that is the case once again, the moral of this story is "they never learn".
Woolly you are so right.
Woolly for D.O.F.
He would be so much better than Khan.
