I hope Fred stays because if Christie is the long term replacement we have issues. He offered little, poor touch and apart from the goal which fair play to him a very poor cross.
Too early to write a player off after just one game....
A little early to make conclusions. First game for a time in a new team. Provided a good cross for our goal. Wait a little before deciding he should not play again.
Not writing him off just compared what I have been watching with Fred I'd be gutted if that is our long term replacement
His touch was terrible,gave away 2 corners with bad control,but he want be up to match standard yet through not playing.
Give him a chance, he has a good reputation.
Clearly some people never learn from past mistakes
Yes we have to give him a chance. You cannot judge a player on one game. Tonight was no picnic, it was fast and furious, and both sides made too many unforced errors. There were tired legs out there as well. I was hoping Kebano would have been amongst the subs that came on.
Well, the evidence before today stood as:
Excellent for 'Boro against us at the Cottage
Tony Pulis didn't fancy him
That surely earns him the benefit of the doubt for a while yet.
FFS :doh:
I will judge him on one performance as that is all I have seen in a Fulham shirt, happy to have egg on my face, today was a very poor display.
Quote from: SG on February 21, 2018, 10:23:56 PM
FFS :doh:
+1, I waited at least 6 games to write off a 9m player and have done so ever since, Christie is allowed a lot more games yet before I write him off! I think Joka should have kept the same team from the week-end, it's posted on another thread. The inquest about the team selection tonight will no doubt gather pace as the night rolls on especially after we didn't win, but then we didn't lose either and we are still 5th!
Quote from: ollienixs on February 21, 2018, 10:27:45 PM
I will judge him on one performance as that is all I have seen in a Fulham shirt, happy to have egg on my face, today was a very poor display.
I understand your concern, and you can only comment on what you see. I hope his reputation that he is a good footballing defender eventually comes to the fore and his next performance is a lot better.
Having said that, he was part of a defence that only got beaten once and was bombarded with a lot of high balls that had to be dealt with.
He may be a a little ring rusty, but I think he will turn out to be a good addition.
Player makes unbelievably quality assist on debut and gets slagged off.
Quote from: SG on February 21, 2018, 10:23:56 PM
FFS :doh:
Couldn't agree more! What is wrong with people these days !
" my scapegoat , my scapegoat- my kingdom for a scapegoat !"
I m not worried about what your eyes saw I m just somewhat alarmed at the interpretation from any potential grey matter that might be in evidence. That is his first game in a Fulham shirt - please please demonstrate some level of grace and humanity!
He was very quiet after his assist but that alone was an incredible ball. Without it we probably would have lost. Yes, I still prefer Fredericks but he could be a bloody good backup
I was at the game. Odd post. Great assist and didn't do too much wrong. At least give the guy more than a game.
Quote from: ollienixs on February 21, 2018, 10:27:45 PM
I will judge him on one performance as that is all I have seen in a Fulham shirt, happy to have egg on my face, today was a very poor display.
I understand your viewpoint and at times tonight I too was frustrated by his performance- but, back at the hotel with a glass of wine to reflect, I think that if you compare Cyrus to Fred - on tonight's performance- then you are comparing a player who has not played recently, never played for the team before, and up against a very good team - to probably one of the top three full backs in our league who had played nearly every game of the last season and two thirds and is in the best run of form of his career.
So, on balance - I will give Vyrus some more time - and he will play again - Fred was a racing certainty for a Yellow today if he played, and soon he will pick up a suspension.
BTW - I thought Dennis was immense today (mostly) and anyone else notice how, despite all the pressure on him by the Bristol players, and with zero protection from the officials, Marcus still kept his run of only conceding a maximum of one goal per game this season.
That's a good run to keep going !!!
:wine: 049:gif
I have no had time to calm and I shall give him the benefit of the doubt a based on people's arguements but then I do question why introduce him into a game of such manerufe without any minutes off the bench before hand.
He didn't have a good game bar the pass and every fan sat around me was sharing that opioniin baes on the groans that I was hearing. Maybe I'm just used to watching Fred and disappointed.
Odoi was a class act and probably made the most passes forward
Quote from: ollienixs on February 21, 2018, 11:37:40 PM
I have no had time to calm and I shall give him the benefit of the doubt a based on people's arguements but then I do question why introduce him into a game of such manerufe without any minutes off the bench before hand.
He didn't have a good game bar the pass and every fan sat around me was sharing that opioniin baes on the groans that I was hearing. Maybe I'm just used to watching Fred and disappointed.
Odoi was a class act and probably made the most passes forward
That's fair enough about Christie, and you were at the game, so you saw it first hand, as you say it was a hell of a game to be thrown into without a dress rehearsal, but he got through 90 plus mins, I expect he will sleep well tonight, and it should stand him in good stead for for future appearances.
Awful. Seen enough
He looked a little nervous on the ball - but what he didn't do was create the triangle space to run on onto the line ball - he was too square
I also thought he played their bloke onside for the goal
New player to a new system. Goes to show that you can practice all you want, but match time is what is key here. Slav needs to play him when he can to give him the needed reps. Targett was shaky at the start as well, and look how well he has done.
I do not understand how anyone can write him off so quickly. First match, first assist. Our team is so full of depth, it's amazing. Each player is an individual, of different talents, yet they can customize their play to the system - and the coach can adjust his system to his players. If that's not a compliment to our current run of form, then I have no idea how else to make you lot happy.
one match, away to a fellow promotion candidate, provides the assist for our only goal which earns us a point, hmmmm
STONE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: hopper on February 21, 2018, 10:48:43 PM
Player makes unbelievably quality assist on debut and gets slagged off.
Exactly
I thought he did well.
Fred is great but I believe he would have been kicked off the park if he'd played
Fredericks was woeful for the first few years, he's come on in leaps and bounds since Joka took over. Jola will improve Christie.
Absolutely a pointless post!
We have an unenviable record. We slag off new players after their first game more than any other Club in the World.
I remember the same happened to Hangeland. Bambi on ice etc.
Against us Christie terrorized us. Give him a bit of time to properly set into our style.
He played poorly after his excellent assist. However it's only his first game - so cannot conclude anything yet.
Quote from: Sgt Fulham on February 21, 2018, 10:58:45 PM
I was at the game. Odd post. Great assist and didn't do too much wrong. At least give the guy more than a game.
Agreed. Mostly his touch was fine and was able to weave out of a few situations just like Odoi or Ream would have.
Didn't get down the right anywhere near as much as Fredericks. Doesn't have his pace. But his crossing does look better - some dangerous balls WHEN he got into that position.
I think though that Christie was being played to give us more height against long balls/crosses and be a bit more defensive. I think teams of a few years ago would've conceded 2-3 tonight ... SJ has to find the right balance between attack and defence against the bigger teams.
Ultimately next season the only difference has to be that he should be urged in training to get down the wing more. Taggart incidentally did very well on the other side and I would give my right leg to sign him.
I thought he had a decent game. The cross may have been out of a strange things episode but it was effective. He was thrown into a really tough game for his debut and obviously needs more game time to get up to speed. If I wanted to be critical I could argue that perhaps SJ should have given him some sub time in previous games. But he's okay and I can see some potential for offering something different to Fredericks. I think the team was set up not to concede the first goal.
Stupid post and compounded by further comments from the OP
This player may or may not be as good as the current first choice RB and a comparison is valid but please make a more intelligent assessment.
WAY too early to comment on Christie. Remember Ream and before him Baird? Betting he comes good much sooner than these 2 cult heroes.
What a load of tosh it's his first game got an assist and when he played at the cottage for Boro he was outstanding people on here never cease to amaze me with their narrow minded gut reactions for example in November people said sack Joka!! I will say no more 049:gif
Fredericks was horrible when he joined us. Stupid unforced errors, mental lapses, bad positioning and technically poor. Some of that is still visible, but he has cut down the mistakes and found a way to use his pace going forward.
Christie didn't want to commit a mistake in his first appearance and played it more conservative than Fredericks. He can very well bomb down the wing as he did at Boro and Derby. Just give him some time. His assist was a beautiful outside of the boot curled pass Fredericks can only dream of. He won many headers Fredericks wouldn't even have reached. There is no doubt that we have the best right fullback duo in the league.
The main problem was that he didn't mesh well with Odoi. Were a couple of times that they went for the same man/ball.
Understanding will come in time though.
Unbelievable that anybody could say he had a good game, constantly gave the ball away and offered nothing going forward. Our goal was a shambles from them not a good assist.
The anti Christie mob can´t see further than the end of their noses. It was obvious, to me at least, that he was selected for his extra height & defensive qualities. Slavisa was quite aware of the tactics Bristol would use so IMO it turned out to be the correct decision to play him over Fredericks.
Quote from: ffcthereligion on February 22, 2018, 11:45:07 AM
Unbelievable that anybody could say he had a good game, constantly gave the ball away and offered nothing going forward. Our goal was a shambles from them not a good assist.
I wasn't there and so didn't see how he played, but have seen the assist on sky. That was a fantastic pass into space for Mitro. To take that away seems completely disingenuous. I liked him at Derby and at Boro' so I will give him time.
Also hasn't Fred got 8 yellows or something like that, so it may have been tactical from a yellow card perspective to leave him out.
Quote from: ffcthereligion on February 22, 2018, 11:45:07 AM
Unbelievable that anybody could say he had a good game, constantly gave the ball away and offered nothing going forward. Our goal was a shambles from them not a good assist.
I'm sorry but what on earth are you on about? Constantly gave the ball away? What twice? One bad touch and cross all game. As someone else said used good footwork to weave out of at least two tight situations. Made at least one memorable crucial tackle and better than Fred in the air. Got mixed up with Odoi on one occasion but the communication will come in time.
The assist was class. Outside the boot. Poor defending, sure but that doesn't detract from the quality of the assist. I can't believe how quickly some posters are to dismiss some new players, especially one giving a decent first account and assisting our only goal.
Think Christie had a decent game. Is he as good as Fredericks? No my for me especially at RB but I think he could do a job infront of him as we see with the goal he has good feet & a decent delivery
Quote from: davew on February 21, 2018, 10:29:39 PM
Quote from: SG on February 21, 2018, 10:23:56 PM
FFS :doh:
+1, I waited at least 6 games to write off a 9m player and have done so ever since, Christie is allowed a lot more games yet before I write him off! I think Joka should have kept the same team from the week-end, it's posted on another thread. The inquest about the team selection tonight will no doubt gather pace as the night rolls on especially after we didn't win, but then we didn't lose either and we are still 5th!
That was very generous of you!
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on February 22, 2018, 09:45:28 AM
Stupid post and compounded by further comments from the OP
This player may or may not be as good as the current first choice RB and a comparison is valid but please make a more intelligent assessment.
:plus one:
I wasn't there and have just viewed highlights, including a classy assist from him.
According to the stats of the match, his passing success rate was lower than we expect in that position (69% instead of 77% from Fredricks). Apart from that, the OP's problem does not translate into measurables, but seems semi-contradicted.
Was responsible for 3 of our 31 losses of possession.
Made 9 of our 52 clearances (Odoi 11, Ream 8)
Won 6 aerial duels (Baker and Flint 7 each, Ream 4).
complete nonsense to write a guy off so soon. I didnt think he had the best of games, but his assist was fantastic and undoubtedly won us the point as we were second best last night. First game in a new team/nerves. come on guys.... give him a chance.
Quote from: SG on February 21, 2018, 10:23:56 PM
FFS :doh:
:plus one: What is wrong with some people?
Next they'll be judging a player from how they performed in the prematch warm up.
Quote from: Max Headroom on February 22, 2018, 04:10:24 PM
complete nonsense to write a guy off so soon. I didnt think he had the best of games, but his assist was fantastic and undoubtedly won us the point as we were second best last night. First game in a new team/nerves. come on guys.... give him a chance.
Nogood "no need to add anything to this, isit" Boyo
Quote from: ealex40 on February 22, 2018, 05:31:52 PM
Quote from: SG on February 21, 2018, 10:23:56 PM
FFS :doh:
:plus one: What is wrong with some people?
Next they'll be judging a player from how they performed in the prematch warm up.
seen that on these pages.
Quote from: Max Headroom on February 22, 2018, 04:10:24 PM
complete nonsense to write a guy off so soon. I didnt think he had the best of games, but his assist was fantastic and undoubtedly won us the point as we were second best last night. First game in a new team/nerves. come on guys.... give him a chance.
Totally agree, ridiculous. There were plenty of people who did not have their best games - TC, Odoi, Sess, Piazon...his contribution was arguably better than their's and it was his first 90 minutes FFS.
What ? His cross for the goal was an exquisite piece of skill ! Is this a wind up post ? Are you a supporter? Get behind a debutant if you are. COYW
I am sure we will see Fredericks back in the team against Wolves but I am not going to be hard on Christie for a while, more assists like last night's and we could end up singing his praises.
