Played fantastic tonight imo very well played quick feet how many fouls/yellow cards did he draw. Also always goes to the children to sign things after every game piazon and odoi also very good for this
I thought he was outstanding for the 55 mins or whatever he played...he is far from the finished article and remains inconsistent but tonight showed what he brings to the party.
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He played well. Caused them problems, 2 of their bookings were fouls on him
Statto, I don't know which game you were watching but I and many thousand others stood to give him a well deserved ovation when he was subbed. Out of interest, did you watch the game at the Cottage or on line?
Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 07, 2018, 12:07:21 AM
Statto, I don't know which game you were watching but I and many thousand others stood to give him a well deserved ovation when he was subbed. Out of interest, did you watch the game at the Cottage or on line?
He just checked his stats. ;)
Thought he tackled back pretty well and won the ball a fair few times in the first half. Definitely put a shift in.
Going forward he holds onto the ball too long sometimes and never, ever plays it first time but hopefully learning when to run / when to pass / shoot will come. Usually cuts inside all too often but actually went on the outside to try and cross tonight so hopefully a sign he's learning.
Has the raw materials but needs to develop his footballing brain - if he does he will be a mean player one day.
Quote from: Statto on March 06, 2018, 11:55:06 PM
Really?
He was the only player in the starting XI that I'd criticise.
Thought he did nothing, looked out of ideas (did he skin anyone all night?) and overal out of place in a team playing as well as we have been lately
He needs to improve dramatically if he's ever to play for Liverpool or England, like some were saying he had the potential to.
I agree with you he is a good character and that might be what enables him to progress
Don't know what game you were watching lad
He played well enough but its tough comparing him to his outstanding team mates and as bad as we made Sheff Utd look they worked very hard to deny us space.
He does allow the ball to slip from his control too often but he can improve that, don't forget he hasn't had a long run of games
I say it every week. Sign him as he will only get better and better
Quote from: Statto on March 06, 2018, 11:55:06 PM
Really?
He was the only player in the starting XI that I'd criticise.
Thought he did nothing, looked out of ideas (did he skin anyone all night?) and overal out of place in a team playing as well as we have been lately
He needs to improve dramatically if he's ever to play for Liverpool or England, like some were saying he had the potential to.
I agree with you he is a good character and that might be what enables him to progress
You must have been playing on your phone last night instead of watching the game.
Funny how people see things different, the lad caused them all sorts of problems.
I'm with Statto on this. Thought Ojo was the weak point in the first half. He was continually static & in the space we use to exploit Fred's pace
The one time Ojo moved to the inside right position Cairney was able to find Fred, cross & 1-0
The right attacking berth is the one position that is up for grabs. Piazon & Ayite enhance the free movement & link up play, create space for the Fred overlap. Ojo & Kebano, who we have not seen for some time, tend to hug the right touch line more
If all the loanees are fit which 5 would you have in the match day squad?
Mitro, Targett, Kalas, Norwood & Piazon for me
He has a lot of potential but at the moment far from the finished article which is presumably why he is out on loan gaining experience. I think Ayite and Piazon are better players than Ojo.
Played well. Surprised he got subbed - but piazon was also lively when he came on.
He played well enough but he needs to realise he's part of a team. The rest of our players were like a well oiled machinery. Ojo was the one who repeatedly made the wrong decisions, holding on to the ball too long, attempting shots when we had players in much better positions. Not for the first time. He's a very talented young player with a good work rate but he needs to realise football is a team sport. Far too selfish in critical moments for me. Would rather see Ayite in that position. And Kebano on the bench. They are both better suited to our fast passing style IMO.
Yeah, I agree with Statto. I also thought he was the weakest player and thought the team looked stronger when Piazon came on. That's not a particular criticism of Ojo - every man was sensational last night - but I can't say he stood out.
Quote from: Statto on March 07, 2018, 08:06:04 AM
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on March 07, 2018, 12:11:11 AM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 07, 2018, 12:07:21 AM
Statto, I don't know which game you were watching but I and many thousand others stood to give him a well deserved ovation when he was subbed. Out of interest, did you watch the game at the Cottage or on line?
He just checked his stats. ;)
I was at the game, but since you mention stats, a few questions for you and the others jumping down my throat:
1. How many times did he skin his man? (Zero to my recollection)
2. How many useful crosses did he put in? (Zero to my recollection, or not many)
3. Of the total number of times a fulham player lost possession before Ojo went off, what proportion of the time was it Ojo? (I'm guessing about 50%)
4. MOST IMPORTANTLY- who in the starting XI would you say was our weakest player last night if it wasn't Ojo?
Just checked out a few ratings from football writers on diff outlets and they marked him same as Fred and Sess, and one had him above them.Until he tired after being out few games I thought his pace scared them.
And I rated him above Sess the hour he was on the park...But like I've said we all see things different.
Thought Ojo looked bright in periods but definitely still a lot of development required in terms of his footballing brain. I would say Sess at 17 is a lot more mature a footballer than Ojo is. Credit to our academy.
If Statto asks who was the weakest on the pitch I would have to say Sess, he produced very little last night. Ojo's defensive work was excellent as Count Flapula notes, some of his tackling back was ferocious. I saw him put in a couple of fast crosses and in terms of beating his man I would say he tries to do that too often. He's clearly not the finished article and you have to wonder what the Liverpool academy have been playing at because those of our youngsters whith that sort of talent look far more mature at the same age. However I agree with those who say he is only going to get better and better.
My goodness we still find things to moan about :doh:
I thought he was a weak link last night and didnt always work well with Freddo. Goes to ground easily getting us free kicks and them bookings - not sure what to think about that aspect. He may be young and raw but a long way from the quality required by Liverpool. Before someone asks yes I was there!
1. How many times did he skin his man? (Zero to my recollection) Short memory, watch the first half again, he maybe got past his man 3 times over in the riverside putney corner
2. How many useful crosses did he put in? (Zero to my recollection, or not many) 3 crosses in total, 1 reaching his man
3. Of the total number of times a fulham player lost possession before Ojo went off, what proportion of the time was it Ojo? (I'm guessing about 50%) We had an 89% pass rate before he went off and a 93% pass rate when he went off. Would you agree we were just walking at times in last 30 minutes? Ojo lost possession 3 times out of the 28 times in total we lost it. Fredericks and Mirovic lost it 5 times each.
4. MOST IMPORTANTLY- who in the starting XI would you say was our weakest player last night if it wasn't Ojo? We have Ojo, Ayite, Kebano, Piazon and maybe Fonte and Kamara who for various reasons are that 11th man. I'm not sold 100% on any of them if truth be told. I could argue for and against all of them.
I get the distinct impression that Mr Statto does not like Ojo, for every 2 positive things to say about him Mr S will find 3 negatives. What I don't understand is after a performance like that why is it necessary to dig out one player and put him down, strikes me as a bit vindictive towards him.
That wide right positon is up for grabs , the candidates are Ojo, Piazon Kebano and Ayite. Fonte and Kamara can also be used there.
Difficult to say who is best, I suspect it is the one position where we may see "rotation" and that Jocanovic may decide on his preferred player in time for the play offs.
He's certainly not better than Piazon/Ayite/Kebano, so not sure why he's starting.
That said, if we keep winning games who am I to question any of our managers decisions?!
Well said Statto - If there is one thing I dont like about this forum it is the horrible way some object to anothers views, often with the "were you actually there" comment. If TC or Sess has a bad game and someone posts about how great they were I assume they dont mind if I disagree so this OP was about Ojo and I thought it was OK to say what I thought without abuse. I take on board that others thought he was good. Last year I thought Tim Ream was alful but this year he is close to MoM every game.
Quote from: Statto on March 07, 2018, 09:44:12 AM
Quote from: Twig on March 07, 2018, 08:34:13 AM
If Statto asks who was the weakest on the pitch I would have to say Sess, he produced very little last night. Ojo's defensive work was excellent as Count Flapula notes, some of his tackling back was ferocious. I saw him put in a couple of fast crosses and in terms of beating his man I would say he tries to do that too often. He's clearly not the finished article and you have to wonder what the Liverpool academy have been playing at because those of our youngsters whith that sort of talent look far more mature at the same age. However I agree with those who say he is only going to get better and better.
But Sessegnon is the hottest property in world football and our top scorer so gets special attention inhibiting him
Sorry Statto but you last two responses are clutching at straws.
Quote from: filham on March 07, 2018, 11:05:23 AM
That wide right positon is up for grabs , the candidates are Ojo, Piazon Kebano and Ayite. Fonte and Kamara can also be used there.
Difficult to say who is best, I suspect it is the one position where we may see "rotation" and that Jocanovic may decide on his preferred player in time for the play offs.
Yes I agree. For me Ayite or Kebano but last night I didn't think Ojo was a weak link. Interestingly there are some on the Sheffield site praising his efforts.
Quote from: Twig on March 07, 2018, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: filham on March 07, 2018, 11:05:23 AM
That wide right positon is up for grabs , the candidates are Ojo, Piazon Kebano and Ayite. Fonte and Kamara can also be used there.
Difficult to say who is best, I suspect it is the one position where we may see "rotation" and that Jocanovic may decide on his preferred player in time for the play offs.
Yes I agree. For me Ayite or Kebano but last night I didn't think Ojo was a weak link. Interestingly there are some on the Sheffield site praising his efforts.
Wonder if thats because he was right in front of them for the first half and could see the problems he was causing more clearly?
It's a bit much criticising anyone after a fantastic team performance last night; but if I had to pick out those who I thought weren't at their best I would have to mention Sess and Ojo. Sess is in amazing form and is clearly destined for great things, but last night wasn't his best night. Even the very best are entitled to the odd off day and his presence alone on the pitch causes panic in the opposing side.
I would have to agree with Statto. I thought Ojo wasn't up to the level of Ayite. He stayed wide too long and blocked off Fred's runs. Fred couldn't get forward for much of the first half until the first goal. Ojo is young and will only get better but at present there are, to my mind, better right hand side players (Ayite, Kebano and Piazon). Having said that the manager has to rotate players around to avoid tiredness and last night we were excellent.
I was sat right in front of ojo on the Riverside during the first half. He wasn't bad, but honestly he was worse than most of our other 11.
Seemed to run out of ideas in the 1-1 and kept missing a screaming Fred on the overlap. Our first goal came when ojo moved in and Fred went down the side and put it in the box.
Like I said he wasn't bad, but other players were better.
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Ojo was good especially considering his lack of game time. Slav is clearly trying to rotate the squad. It's tough for whomever is coming in to get straight onto the regular team wavelength. He managed it well in my view. Slav clearly rates him and he's proving to be a pretty good judge
Is he a Jack Grealish wannabe playing with his socks half way down his shin?
I couldn't make it last night so will pass judgement on his performance. I always felt he could excite & frustrate in equal measures, but I fully expect Ayite to be restored for Saturday.
I think any criticism should be weighed against the excellent team performance and Ojo played his part!
Being harsh, he was probably the least effective player in a white shirt last night but that's a moot point considering the overall performance.
He had his best game in the away fixture and tactically they did a good job on him last night but playing a wide player further up the pitch stretched the opposition and allowed space for others to work in.
Sometimes a player does a good job without being spectacular!
Quote from: Dodger53 on March 07, 2018, 11:40:01 AM
Well said Statto - If there is one thing I dont like about this forum it is the horrible way some object to anothers views
And in the case of the OP, the words "pot" and "kettle" come to mind
Quote from: Statto on March 07, 2018, 11:03:22 AM
Quote from: alfie on March 07, 2018, 09:47:29 AM
I get the distinct impression that Mr Statto does not like Ojo, for every 2 positive things to say about him Mr S will find 3 negatives. What I don't understand is after a performance like that why is it necessary to dig out one player and put him down, strikes me as a bit vindictive towards him.
Ironically I think it's quite "vindictive" to call someone "vindictive" just because they don't agree with your view on a particular aspect of a football match.
FYI I like Ojo, think he is a good character. I follow him on social media and often like his posts purely because he seems like a nice person. He is a good lad, English, Christian, and the abuse he got when he was injured from some of our "fans" online was disgusting.
But being a nice person and potentially good in the future doesn't change the simple fact that Last night imo he was substantially poorer than anyone else in our team, with the possible exception of Piazon, who I also thought was poor. Ironically Piazon is one of my favourite players, but again, I will always give an honest opinion of individual performances on here.
Please don't make silly personal comments just because I disagree with you
Ok apologies for the word "vindictive ", I did not make any comment about his performance so not quite sure what you are disagreeing with, the question I asked is why did you feel it necessary to single Ojo out like that, he was / is part of a successful team, some always seem to want to dig out players. A nice well done lads would have been nice.
I'm glad he used his right foot a lot more than I thought he would. Often times we would have a break on the right side, and he would slow up play just to cut into his left foot. Mitro's runs into the box were out of sequence as a result, and that was the biggest difference to me. Ojo played with composure though, but as someone said, the RW is completely up for grabs among 6 players. That's an incredible problem to have. I personally prefer Ayite there because he is right footed and has created chances, and finished his chances. Problem with him is his health and sometimes an absent-minded decisions here and there. Piazon is next for me, because he's just so solid in decision making. Sometimes he hasn't got his feet yet, but he definitely makes a difference.
Quote from: Statto on March 06, 2018, 11:55:06 PM
Really?
He was the only player in the starting XI that I'd criticise.
Thought he did nothing, looked out of ideas (did he skin anyone all night?) and overal out of place in a team playing as well as we have been lately
He needs to improve dramatically if he's ever to play for Liverpool or England, like some were saying he had the potential to.
I agree with you he is a good character and that might be what enables him to progress
Re watch the "two minutes of magic". He skins their left back with childlike ease.
I thought Ojo was ok and he gives us a directness and pace but for me the problem was a tactical one ,and i am sure thats why he got taken off.
He wanted to stay out wide ,with chalk on his feet which blocked the space for Fredricks who got played in once by Cairney in the whole of the first half (leading to our goal ). Time and again Ojo blocked out the space for our most lethal wide player ,Ryan Fredricks.
Ayete and Piazon both come in off the line on the right allowing Fredricks the space to run into,O Jo did not .
Quote from: colinwhite on March 07, 2018, 06:32:03 PM
I thought Ojo was ok and he gives us a directness and pace but for me the problem was a tactical one ,and i am sure thats why he got taken off.
He wanted to stay out wide ,with chalk on his feet whcih blocked the space for Fredricks who got played in once by Cairney in the whole of the first half (leading to our goal ). Time and again Ojo blocked out the space for our most lestal wide player ,Ryan Fredricks.
Ayete and Piazon both come in off the line on the right allowing Fredricks the space to run into,O Jo did not .
couple of people mentioned how wide he was, well so was Sess in front of me first half. At time I thought it was tactics by Slav given that Utd play with wingback and we stretched the pitch to its full width. Illustrated by the two minutes video given how wide the ball goes on the left and then right to Fred with Ojo well to his right on wing.
Not everything is down to the player wanting to do things.
Dont buy that really that.Ojo looked like he wanted to stamp his mark and keep his place in the team so we cant blame him fo that ,but you could see by Fredricks body language and where he ended up that he didnt know what to do with Ojo licking the line.On the other side target rarely looks to get beyond Sessegnon, and they work really well together.
The flow of our play did get slowed down a bit by Ojo ,but he hast played for a while and not with quite a few of this players so I dont want to be too harsh on him.
Quote from: FFC73 on March 07, 2018, 07:13:28 AM
I'm with Statto on this. Thought Ojo was the weak point in the first half. He was continually static & in the space we use to exploit Fred's pace
The one time Ojo moved to the inside right position Cairney was able to find Fred, cross & 1-0
The right attacking berth is the one position that is up for grabs. Piazon & Ayite enhance the free movement & link up play, create space for the Fred overlap. Ojo & Kebano, who we have not seen for some time, tend to hug the right touch line more
If all the loanees are fit which 5 would you have in the match day squad?
Mitro, Targett, Kalas, Norwood & Piazon for me
:plus one: Whilst I do not think he played badly, I did notice that he continually took the space on the right that Fred loves to run into and build up speed.
I also saw that this changed when Ojo moved more to the inside in the second half - which I guess was an instruction at half-time - and yes we broke through much more often after that.
Not a criticism of the player, more the tactics - I did think that Ojo showed real power last evening and will be very important for us in games to come as he regains something close to full match fitness
A good Point about both wide players starting position for us ,but when we had possession on the right with ojo interchanging passes with others he always took the wide option when he could have opened it up for Ryan .
Quote from: Statto on March 07, 2018, 07:17:27 PM
It seems from current vote totals in the MOTM thread that the democratic view of 300 odd users of this forum is Ojo was the worst player in the starting XI. I can only assume the OP is yet to vote...
(Does that mean he was awful, considering how well the others played? No of course not)
Mitrovic 239
Cairney 24
Bettinelli 9
Odoi 7
Johansen 7
McDonald 6
Ream 5
Targget 3
Fredericks 2
Sessegnon 1
Ojo 0
That doesn't really work, as we all know a lot of supporters who can't get to the game make a semi-random vote just to see the results.
Warnock spoke earlier in the season that Liverpool would charge a hefty fine to Cardiff if they don't start one of their loan players for x amount of games. I imagine it is a similar scenario with Ojo which suggests why he seems to start so much when he's fit.
With the best will in the world no one would say Ojo was MOM, but he wasn't the worst player on Tuesday from my view. Yes he did take positions that seemed to stop Fred going down the outside, but who knows if that was tactics. He certainly gave their defence a hard time and sheff Utd fans thought he was decent too. Anyway we all see what we want to.
Thought Ojo had a good game but he doesn't link up with Fredericks like Ayite does & it's vital to us that we get Fredericks involved
I take issue with the words being used here. It's, in my view, inappropriate to say that Ojo was 'the worst' player. That implies that he was the most bad of a bad group. I saw no bad Fulham players on Tuesday.
It seems nitpicking and churlish to me to analyse so critically one player's performance when the overall performance, and importantly, the result, was so good.
The TEAM, of which Ojo was a part, must have been doing something right.
Ojo had a solid game but he is in my opinion, a luxury player.
Not one you'd want to have next to you in the trenches but good to be able to call on for back up or if your winning a battle and want to press on.
Quote from: Luka on March 08, 2018, 09:03:49 AM
Ojo had a solid game but he is in my opinion, a luxury player.
Not one you'd want to have next to you in the trenches but good to be able to call on for back up or if your winning a battle and want to press on.
Yet probably made one of the best sliding tackles of the game on a player in the second half.
Quote from: RaySmith on March 08, 2018, 08:54:35 AM
It seems nitpicking and churlish to me to analyse so critically one player's performance when the overall performance, and importantly, the result, was so good.
The TEAM, of which Ojo was a part, must have been doing something right.
:plus one:
I cannot understand why anyone would want to look to criticise a player when the team have just completed a 3 0 route of a promotion rival, and thereby extending our unbeaten run.
Yes of course we have all seen a player in a winning team have a poorer game than others, and some have even looked like a bit of a passenger.
But unlike some players in the past, Ojo has natural talent, technique, has pace and we have seen him play well.
If I have to find criticism of him, then he can hold on to the ball longer than he should, and sometimes his decision making is floored. There even maybe one or two other faults for all I know. But he contributed to a winning team the other night, and he has potential, and we are going to need his services in the coming weeks amongst others to give us the best chance of promotion.
He has quality all the same, and maybe Jok has and will knock any poor attitude out of him before the season is out.
But I see no reason to give him a hard time.
Nothing wrong with being critical of a player and I know I have defended him against some of Statto's comments. But thats because in my view when someone is critical they need to support that view in the right way instead of just saying he was rubbish, or he never beat anyone, he did nothing. When clearly a player has done something.
I'm as guilty as everyone else is in never seeing the good a player does if I already have a negative view of them Likewise a player you rate is always doing well or if he isn't its other reasons why. You just need to try and be objective, which is hard. I never rated Senderos for example. Always thought he had a flawed defensive technique which he made up for at time by being a bullheaded CB who went in where it hurt, and fans like that. But he couldn't in my view mark in the right way.
Out of the current squad I'm struggling to think of a player I dislike. I certainly think some are overrated (Ayite is one for me) but thats not to say I dont see merit in them starting and playing.
With Ojo I think peoples views are maybe clouded by the unsubstantiated view that he has to play (You cant have that rule in a contract that a player HAS to play). Do you really think that Slav would start a player he didn't like? We have seen how he treats players like that. Also I know the coaches like and rate Ojo. As someone says maybe he is a luxury player, but when he has performed well what a good luxury he is.
Yes I agree about nothing being wrong with constructive criticism even in light of an impressive victory, and of course I can understand Ojo being labelled a bit of a luxury player, and I also agree that he shouldn't be selected because of a loan agreement.
He must have been picked on merit on this occasion as there were other alternatives for Jok, so he obviously must see potential in him, and Jok and his coaching staff feel they can make him a better player which would be in Fulham's interest in the coming weeks.
Agree with MJG. I also think its all about the balance of the team,and also to an extent who the oppsition is.
The thing that worries me about Ojos comeback is that he hasnt been looking to find to Mitrovic or play the ball into the box.What we now need from the other two ( dont like the term wingers it doesnt describe how Jokanovic wants these players to play ) in the front three is probably different since the big serb came in the door.
It will be interesting to see if he can adjust his game to life with a main striker which we havent had on his previous outings for the team.
Quote from: Green Machine on March 08, 2018, 12:01:13 AM
Warnock spoke earlier in the season that Liverpool would charge a hefty fine to Cardiff if they don't start one of their loan players for x amount of games. I imagine it is a similar scenario with Ojo which suggests why he seems to start so much when he's fit.
I wonder about this too. Nothing wrong with Ojo, just not sure why he is often favored to Kebano or Piazon when they are all fit. Have thought maybe it has to do with his loan contract somehow.
I've been critical of Ojo in the past because he always appears lethargic to me.. slowing moves down and just generally gives a non-threatening impression.
That said he also oozes confidence and skill that's so impressive for a 20 year old.
I really just think he needs more coaching to speed up the directness of his play and he will be a really good player in the future. I think that's how I will judge him at the end of the season.. if he plays more direct and at a faster pace hence (quite literally) going in the right direction.
Interesting to note Sheff Utd forums there were quite a few who were (quite) "happy to see the back of him".
Let's clear one thing up; if SJ picks any player it will be because he wants him to play. Not because of loan contracts (which do not mandate that a loanee must be selected) and, when Kline was around, not because someone else in the club wants to influence selection. SJ is his own man and Ojo played because SJ favoured him on the night, simple.
I think a lot of the responses are pretty balanced and I'm in the camp of not singling out a player as "worst" after a 3-0 win. I think some of us are a bit sensitive to criticism of Ojo because of the vitriol aimed at him by one or two numpties when he was badly injured earlier in the season. That was a rather distasteful incident.
Thought he was the weakest of the XI.
Apart from his own frailties, I think Fredericks isn't helped with Ojo in front of him. Ojo has the footballing brain of David Button, which is a shame, because he has all the physical qualities you want in a winger.
I started the thread because everyone was surprised/critical to see ojo in the starting line up but after watching the game (yes I was there) I thought he had a great game and warranted his place which is why I made the "weird" thread
He's a young lad learning his trade , weather he will make the grade for Liverpool let alone England.
Quote from: Statto on March 08, 2018, 08:20:42 PM
if the word "worst" has been used it may sound harsh but it is a factual, accurate label in this instance.
From an earlier post, I presume that you are basing your assertion - that it's a 'factual, accurate label' - on the MotM poll.
I disagree with your interpretation of the poll.
Clearly, when a player - Mitrovic - secures 239 votes to Ojo's zero, it's accurate to say that Mitrovic must have been the better of the two.
When, however, the third-to last-ranked players in the poll have fewer than 10 votes apiece out of some 300 (i.e. 3% or less), this is, statistically, too small a margin to assert that Ojo's 'worst' label is factual.
With such a small numbers of votes covering nine of the eleven players, it cannot be assumed with any certainty that a poll for 'worst' player would simply be an inverted table of the MotM result.
While Ojo -on the basis of his having received no votes as MotM - would have to be be the bookies' favourite, the odds of it turning out to be another player is sufficiently great for there to be no sense in which the MotM poll
proves Ojo to have been our worst player.
An option on the right (when Kalas is fit) could be to play Odoi at RB and push Fred to right wing (do they still call it that ?
I still prefer Kebano over Ojo, Kebano has an end product, Ojo doesn't have that, Yet
Whoever Slav choice is good with me.He sees them in training all week and I trust his judgement.
Quote from: Statto on March 09, 2018, 11:05:26 PM
I will repeat for what, the 5th time, my simple question... Who in the starting XI was worse in your opinion? (Or if you prefer, "less good"?)
To be honest I am surprised you're taking issue with that point (that Ojo was worst) which seems to me to be settled. That's based not only on the MotM poll, but also on this fact that no one on here seems even to have suggested any other player in the starting XI was worse than Ojo.
I'm taking issue with your claim that Ojo being the worst player is a 'factual, accurate label'. It isn't.
I'll spell it out for you: There is not enough evidence - either within this thread or the MotM poll - to make it a fact. It is an opinion.
That you should ask my opinion as to who in the starting XI was worse than Ojo serves only to highlight that it's not a fact.
Ojo being the worst player may seem settled to you - but the fallacy behind your reasoning with regard to the MotM poll can't be put any more simply than it already has.
Quote from: Statto on March 09, 2018, 11:05:26 PM
It seems to me the central debate on this thread is actually, is it ok to call out any particular player for being the worst player in a team performance that overall was extremely good?
Go back and read the first page of this thread. It is you who introduces the notion of Ojo being the weakest player into this topic. If you want to question whether it is okay to call out a particular player after such a good team performance, look no further than questioning yourself.
The O.P's intention is quite clearly to extol the positives in Ojo's performance. Those on here - and there are many - who have responded to the spirit of the O.P. (and avoided being drawn into your counter-topic of identifying the weakest man) simply aren't looking for a 'worst' player among Tuesday's line-up. It's not - as you have interpreted it to be - evidence in support of your claim.
"..........why do I need to, when it's not disputed?" Are you sure about that? Perhaps you should read and digest the whole thread again. Or maybe, just let it go?
I don't think there's much to be gained by prolonging this or repeating the previous nearly 4 pages of comment in which you assert that Ojo was the worst/least good player v Sheff Utd and others take issue with your view. It's hard to see just why you are so intransigent re Sheyi Ojo but it's your prerogative. I hope you find some joy in watching the next game and are able to conclude that all the on-field players in the squad will have played equally well/badly.
Well done Ojo. Great impact subs by Slav again
He wasn't the worst player today, don't care who was!!!
Quote from: davew on March 10, 2018, 05:09:40 PM
He wasn't the worst player today, don't care who was!!!
There was no worst player today just that one or two were a little better.
Quote from: grandad on March 10, 2018, 05:18:24 PM
Quote from: davew on March 10, 2018, 05:09:40 PM
He wasn't the worst player today, don't care who was!!!
There was no worst player today just that one or two were a little better.
As there were last week, rather have him in the squad than back at Liverpool.
Quote from: Statto on March 10, 2018, 08:23:42 PM
I see he was the only player dropped from Tuesday's starting XI, so Jokanovic clearly agrees he was the worst player Tuesday as well
(Not that any more proof was needed)
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Statto I often enjoy and support your posts but this is verging on the intransigent and the rather smirking tone of this latest post is just tedious.
