Late goal by Kane gets England the win. I can't see England getting very far
Agreed, when you have players like henderson, sterling, linguard, walker, and young in your team, you are always on borrowed time
Quote from: The Swan on June 18, 2018, 08:57:32 PM
Late goal by Kane gets England the win. I can't see England getting very far
I wouldn't say England were lucky. Could justifiably have had 2 penalties and had by far the better chances.
The Tunisians were very cynical - God knows what the point of VAR is!
Fulham have played teams like Tunisia over the past season, teams from the lower part of the Championship, they don't want to play football they just want to survive and employ all the tactics known within the law to spoil the game of football. England won, football won.
Negative nigel....
Deserved the win, we will only get better
What a relief gaining the valuable 3 points. I felt like a Villa fan waiting for my team to score in a Wembley final.
What an absolute load of rubbish saying England were lucky.
We thoroughly deserved it.
The referee was Tunisia's best player.
We should have been 3 0 up at half time, their penalty was a joke, we should have had two nailed on penalty's. Tunisia never had a shot on goal, all they did was foul. Where was VAR.
England kept going never gave up, and the first 90 + minutes are the most important.
My only criticism is that we should have been more clinical, and Ruben Loftes Cheek should have come on earlier.
England won tonight, and so did football.
Well deserved well done England. 🏴
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 18, 2018, 09:25:53 PM
What an absolute load of rubbish saying England were lucky.
We thoroughly deserved it.
The referee was Tunisia's best player.
We should have been 3 0 up at half time, their penalty was a joke, we should have had two nailed on penalty's. Tunisia never had a shot on goal, all they did was foul. Where was VAR.
England kept going never gave up, and the first 90 + minutes are the most important.
My only criticism is that we should have been more clinical, and Ruben Loftes Cheek should have come on earlier.
England won tonight, and so did football.
Well deserved well done England. 🏴
Good post.
Perhaps the VAR panel was made up of Scottish, Welsh & Irish officials!
Agree with Wooly .
Agreed. Lucky ! What rubbish we by far the better team unlucky not to win by 3
Quote from: Stefan The Viking (The Moose) on June 18, 2018, 09:29:42 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 18, 2018, 09:25:53 PM
What an absolute load of rubbish saying England were lucky.
We thoroughly deserved it.
The referee was Tunisia's best player.
We should have been 3 0 up at half time, their penalty was a joke, we should have had two nailed on penalty's. Tunisia never had a shot on goal, all they did was foul. Where was VAR.
England kept going never gave up, and the first 90 + minutes are the most important.
My only criticism is that we should have been more clinical, and Ruben Loftes Cheek should have come on earlier.
England won tonight, and so did football.
Well deserved well done England. 🏴
Good post.
Quote from: Stefan The Viking (The Moose) on June 18, 2018, 09:29:42 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 18, 2018, 09:25:53 PM
What an absolute load of rubbish saying England were lucky.
We thoroughly deserved it.
The referee was Tunisia's best player.
We should have been 3 0 up at half time, their penalty was a joke, we should have had two nailed on penalty's. Tunisia never had a shot on goal, all they did was foul. Where was VAR.
England kept going never gave up, and the first 90 + minutes are the most important.
My only criticism is that we should have been more clinical, and Ruben Loftes Cheek should have come on earlier.
England won tonight, and so did football.
Well deserved well done England. 🏴
Good post.
likewise.
England played well and good to see them force deserved victory.Keep it up England.
Well we deserved the win despite a poorer second half. A young team whom I couldn't name which clubs half of them come from. The referee was poor and VAR missed two England penalties. So a narrow late win but not lucky.
What a joke this post is. Either enjoy it or at least quit your whinging. Great result. Fully deserved.
England looked very much like Fulham did this past season, clearly the better team but seemed to be missing something. Even so, a win is a win and Panama will surely be deflated in the next match. Besides, Brazil, Spain, Argentina, Germany and France all looked below par. I'm still calling for Iceland to win it all!
Its just the first game. The second and third tier teams come in all charged up and play above themselves. That and these refs they dig up are abysmal. The guy today was poor. The ref in the Panama-Belgian match was even worse. He never saw a Belgian dive he didn't like.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 18, 2018, 09:25:53 PM
What an absolute load of rubbish saying England were lucky.
We thoroughly deserved it.
The referee was Tunisia's best player.
We should have been 3 0 up at half time, their penalty was a joke, we should have had two nailed on penalty's. Tunisia never had a shot on goal, all they did was foul. Where was VAR.
England kept going never gave up, and the first 90 + minutes are the most important.
My only criticism is that we should have been more clinical, and Ruben Loftes Cheek should have come on earlier.
England won tonight, and so did football.
Well deserved well done England. 🏴
Spot on. My wife who is very level headed and fair was claiming the ref must have been bribed and was cursing corruption in FIFA!
Should have put the game to bed within the first fifteen minutes. So many chances. We can only get better. Three points is better than Germany, Spain, Brazil, Portugal, all of whom have got less, and we play Panama next.
Very dodgy officiating.It does make you wonder.
It was a very good performance for the first thirty minutes, and then 60 mins of dullness, and then 3 minutes of Goodness.
Overall a good result for England, they can take positives from the first thirty minutes, I think Rashford looked good when he come on and should start ahead of Sterling. The last minute winner for England is very unusual and two goals for our striker and captain is great to see.
Negatives though, Lindegarrds finishing, blooming Eck.
England ground out a result against a side who turned up to play anti-football.
Fortunately a good result against Panama and we will be through to the 2nd phase and playing teams who are here for football and not WWF.
Also the poorer Ref's get sent home, so that's a double win!!
COYW
England deserved the win, but it was a little worrying. Faced with a team which set out to frustrate, to push and pull, to foul and break up the play, the team did seem to run out of ideas quite quickly.
More talented teams will pose a bigger challenge, and England still miss something. Not quite sure what it is, maybe a midfield playmaker, a genuine wizard, which most of the top teams have, or a football genius, someone who reads the play, spots the opportunity and makes the crucial pass. They have one of course, but the young lad is on his holidays, when he should be on the pitch.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 18, 2018, 09:25:53 PM
What an absolute load of rubbish saying England were lucky.
We thoroughly deserved it.
The referee was Tunisia's best player.
We should have been 3 0 up at half time, their penalty was a joke, we should have had two nailed on penalty's. Tunisia never had a shot on goal, all they did was foul. Where was VAR.
England kept going never gave up, and the first 90 + minutes are the most important.
My only criticism is that we should have been more clinical, and Ruben Loftes Cheek should have come on earlier.
England won tonight, and so did football.
Well deserved well done England. 🏴
👍👍👍👍 oh so right woolly , yes some players as always were not as good as others but never lucky. In that context swan , you could say any team is lucky when they win. We deserved it.
I think swan you may have been sent down the swanny on this occasion.
Sorry but in the end we never gave up and luck was on our side in the last minute. But yes we deserved it and should have scored the goals earlier. Well done England for grinding it until the end
With U.S. and Canada out of it, I'm supporting England. Hope my recorder worked so I can see it later tonight.
We deserved the win but we are going to have to improve a lot and quickly. Many players were poor in particular Sterling, Dele Alli and Young. Never rated Walker either. Hopefully there are changes for the next game. On a positive note I thought both center backs were good.
Not Lucky at all!
But shows the lack of clinical finishing, Kane apart!
Some will improve but the likes of Sterling seem unable to add coolness under pressure to his pace and trickery.
If this team really is a long term plan, then fair enough but when they meet teams who ask more questions we will be offer a better assessment.
There were shades of not being clinical at finishing off moves with only Kane showing composure in the final third, not just his finishing, but in expecting the referee to protect him from foul play throughout and showing remarkable restraint. I'd thought, for one ridiculous moment, that FIFA had introduced VAR to root out bad refereeing decisions but, apparently, it was just a fancy way of employing another five officials to sit idly by. I hope Kane's composure is infectious because don't most of England's players need a whole huge dose of it? Sterling and Young were notable offenders.
The outcome was just on the balance of play but didn't England make hard work of achieving it? If they can just stretch out that opening twenty minutes of fine play to last ninety then they may have a chance of going further.
A result against a poor side but so many poor performances. They look as if this was their 1st time playing together. Apart from Kane the rest were well below the standard required to go very far in the competition. We are in the easiest group to qualify but there are so many quality sides ahead of us.
We will never win another World Cup until we field a Fulham player.
I did not say that England did not deserve to win but that they were lucky to get the winner in added time.
Quote from: The Swan on June 19, 2018, 09:11:46 AM
I did not say that England did not deserve to win but that they were lucky to get the winner in added time.
Why lucky? Down to the timing? I would imagine many goals are scored in injury time or late on and we always think it is unlucky if it is against us or good timing if it is our team who scored. 'We never gave up' rubbish. But goals will always be scored late on as we have seen this World Cup.
Quote from: gezkc on June 18, 2018, 09:11:08 PM
Quote from: The Swan on June 18, 2018, 08:57:32 PM
Late goal by Kane gets England the win. I can't see England getting very far
I wouldn't say England were lucky. Could justifiably have had 2 penalties and had by far the better chances.
The Tunisians were very cynical - God knows what the point of VAR is!
+ 1
The only problem they'll have with playing a high press, high intensity game is that the climate is pretty much against them. They showed what they can do in the first 20 minutes but playing in such hot and humid conditions when they're not used to them will kill them off pretty quickly, as we saw with the intensity dropping in the second half. You know it's pretty bad when even South American teams are going down with cramp and fatigue.
Other than that I think England definitely deserved it. It was very much like a Fulham performance in that they tried to dominate the ball, but occasionally got guilty of moving it too slowly and struggled to break down a team that sat very deep for almost the whole game. Probably should've been out of sight by half time but that's football. No idea what the ref was doing because that penalty was very dodgy, and how England didn't get two penalties I'll never know. On a side note, it always makes me laugh when western Europeans are called soft, yet you literally had a Tunisian player rolling around for over a minute because Trippier kicked a ball that hit him in the ribs...
Thought England played a great game fully in control not shots on target apart from a bit of soft penalty. Doing a full press for 90 mins isnt an option with the humidity but showed how dangerous they are when they do it. Looked like one of the better teams in the tournament after the 1st round of matches but tougher tests to come
Phew, we were by far the better team but came so close to dropping two points. Changes needed for next match, can we afford to give Sterling another chance, Walker is not a centre back, Loftus Cheek deserves more match time.
Can't really see this young team matching the big boys like Spain and Brazil unless we develop fast over the next couple of matches.
Nice to see England playing in our national colours as well.
Yes we deserved the win! First twenty was encouraging, but overall a poor game in my opinion!
But I guess disappointment because we all wanted to see a good strong performance.
Quote from: Fulham Tup North on June 18, 2018, 10:48:49 PM
England ground out a result against a side who turned up to play anti-football.
Fortunately a good result against Panama and we will be through to the 2nd phase and playing teams who are here for football and not WWF.
Also the poorer Ref's get sent home, so that's a double win!!
COYW
Well said Sir, My thoughts entirely and what`s the point of VAR when Harry Kane was body slammed twice a la WWE, Kurt Angle would have been well chuffed by those two moves 092.gif.
I think it was mentioned that last nights climate will probably be the worse that we will have to play in, but heres what i took away from it, we beat the best team africa currently has to offer in difficult conditions, the referee & VAR was a waste of space & much like fulham i honestly believe when we start playing teams that actually want to play football our front line could cause havoc, but walker will need to be dropped for cahill against better opposition
Quote from: Steeeeeeeeeed on June 18, 2018, 10:24:47 PM
It was a very good performance for the first thirty minutes, and then 60 mins of dullness, and then 3 minutes of Goodness.
Overall a good result for England, they can take positives from the first thirty minutes, I think Rashford looked good when he come on and should start ahead of Sterling. The last minute winner for England is very unusual and two goals for our striker and captain is great to see.
Negatives though, Lindegarrds finishing, blooming Eck.
Have to agree with comment about Sterling who I find is no where his best in an England shirt. Rashford and Loftus Cheek both showed they are good players and cantake the pressure. How tall is Lofty Cheek, he has sprung up since I saw him in the U18 final we played against Chelsea.
first game always difficult and we came out all guns blazing.
If we would have taken our chances it would have been 3 or 4 nil.
after the equaliser tunisia changed formation a bit, they sat deeper and compressed the space england had to play in and in the heat I think england struggled to tempt tunisia out. rose for young would be an obvious change and of course sterling again failed to impress in a style to which he is clerarly not suited. I also think deli is a complete waste of space far too often and seems to love himself more than the team. A spell on the bench will improve him and help bring out more effort to match his talent that is currently wasted.
panama will be harder than anyone is saying but hopefully we will win it well.
And just to keep it in proportion, france were no great shakes and brazil and germany would surely swap our last minute winner for their lamentable efforts. Dio not read too much into this one game, a win is a win and IMO it was a good win, even with an uninspiring second half, probably keeps peoples feet on the ground. i remain optimistic, the real test will be belgium, but that may end up a carve up if both already have 6 points.
I thought we played well, with the exception of that spell immediately after the penalty when we lost our rhythm.
We were by far the better team, and had Lingaard and Sterling buried the chances they had in the first half and if the ref had spotted the repeat muggings that Kane was subjected to we would have been raving about a good win.
I watched the match in the Adam & Eve in Fitzrovia and the atmosphere was top. I forgot how much fun it is watching England in a decent boozer with a few Guinnesses along the way!
:beer:
Quote from: SP on June 18, 2018, 09:31:01 PM
Perhaps the VAR panel was made up of Scottish, Welsh & Irish officials!
That would not surprise me at all.
I like what you've said toshes mate, but I'm sure you along with me wonder why with such compelling evidence are these VAR specialist not accountable. It s almost like Sep blatter himself, they think or even know they are not answerable to anyone.
Goals will need to come from more than just Kane if England is to go further than the last eight and likely sources are hard to identify.
I'm not English so I'm neutral here and you fully deserved that victory. You were the better team BY FAR and should have had two penalties. What's the point of VAR if the ref can overrule it or choose to ignore it? Absolutely ridiculous! Same thing with Egypt yesterday, should have had a penalty but the ref ignored VAR.
Best of luck with the rest of the world cup! :54:
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on June 20, 2018, 09:11:32 AM
I'm not English so I'm neutral here and you fully deserved that victory. You were the better team BY FAR and should have had two penalties. What's the point of VAR if the ref can overrule it or choose to ignore it? Absolutely ridiculous! Same thing with Egypt yesterday, should have had a penalty but the ref ignored VAR.
Best of luck with the rest of the world cup! :54:
Cheers, thank you for your impartial and correct observations.
Quote from: The Swan on June 19, 2018, 09:11:46 AM
I did not say that England did not deserve to win but that they were lucky to get the winner in added time.
What's lucky about scoring in extra time, it's no luckier than scoring in the first minute, or the 45th or 46th, what's the difference.
Both teams have the opportunity to score goals in the allotted 90 minutes + added time. The first 90 minutes + added time are the most important.
What it showed was that England never gave up.
Taking into account that Tunisia got one of the softest penalty's you are ever likely to see, and goals do change games.
Plus England were denied two Stonewall penalties, which showed what a load of Cobblers VAR is. What more do you want, blood.
Tunisia were the lucky ones.
I think at the moment Swan you are bottom of the class.
You need to write out 100 times...............
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on June 19, 2018, 09:39:01 PM
Quote from: SP on June 18, 2018, 09:31:01 PM
Perhaps the VAR panel was made up of Scottish, Welsh & Irish officials!
That would not surprise me at all.
I heard it was down to Hilda our tea lady,on hearing about VAR she presumed it was Vodka and Rum it stood for,so she went in with a few bottles and got them all pi**ed...🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷
VAR totally discredited after that hopeless officiating effort. Either the ref and VAR officials were completely inept or they were as bent as five bob notes. Sorry it has to be said that would have been unacceptable at amateur level, for a World Cup? Words fail me.
Quote from: Twig on June 20, 2018, 07:45:34 PM
VAR totally discredited after that hopeless officiating effort. Either the ref and VAR officials were completely inept or they were as bent as five bob notes. Sorry it has to be said that would have been unacceptable at amateur level, for a World Cup? Words fail me.
Quote from: Twig on June 20, 2018, 07:45:34 PM
VAR totally discredited after that hopeless officiating effort. Either tQuote from: Twig on June 20, 2018, 07:45:34 PM
VAR totally discredited after that hopeless officiating effort. Either the ref and VAR officials were completely inept or they were as bent as five bob notes. Sorry it has to be said that would have been unacceptable at amateur level, for a World Cup? Words fail me.
and VAR officials were completely inept or they were as bent as five bob notes. Sorry it has to be said that would have been unacceptable at amateur level, for a World Cup? Words fail me.
This is the same incompetent Colombian ref. who previously sent off the wrong player.
I am sure that same referee officiated my Sunday morning team last season. I think we gave him 10 out of a 100 for turning up.
Another issue with VAR:
Can someone please explain to me: How will anyone EVER get a yellow for diving inside the box with VAR?
I mean, the refs in the world cup are adviced to play on and let the VAR team make the decision if they're not 100% certain about a potential penalty situation. But VAR isn't authorized to deal with yellows, only with major incidents like red cards, penalties, goals. So if there's an incident inside the box, and the ref leaves the decision to the VAR team, play will just go on if it turned out to be a dive, right??? Because the VAR team is not "authorized" to deal with that kind of "minor" incidents. They are only authorized to give their advice on penalty/not penalty, not if it's a dive or not. So no yellow will EVER be given for diving whenever the ref leaves the desision to VAR.
Once the decision is left to the VAR team there are only two possible outcomes: 1) Penalty or 2) No reaction whatsoever.
It seems to me that VAR will benefit the cheats.
That's because it's run by FIFA, they all didn't just fall off the back of a lorry, some of them were pushed.
Neymar a couple of minutes ago vs Costa Rica just proved my point. The worst dive you will ever see. After consulting with VAR no penalty was given but no yellow was given for diving either. Absolutely shocking.
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on June 22, 2018, 02:48:43 PM
Neymar a couple of minutes ago vs Costa Rica just proved my point. The worst dive you will ever see. After consulting with VAR no penalty was given but no yellow was given for diving either. Absolutely shocking.
It's brasil, what do you expect. It's like the prem, certain teams are refereed completely differently from others. that is to say the perceived big teams get away with murder and the others are punished for almost nothing. i still believe that when rivaldo (i think it was him in the infamous turkey game) was not sent home football was clearly shown to be 100% morally corupt.
Neymar is loathsome for a whole host of reasons but his dive was a red card offence, he is an offence just being on the pitch. Ramos and Pepe are also disgraceful, just saying.
England,we deserved the win.in fact I thought I was watching any top nation! Not England,but it was England.But it is England they score,but kept going and there he was Kane with a great header and like Fulham England and Kane score late.
Kept believing and didn't give up.
Quote from: hovewhite on June 22, 2018, 07:47:06 PM
England,we deserved the win.in fact I thought I was watching any top nation! Not England,but it was England.But it is England they score,but kept going and there he was Kane with a great header and like Fulham England and Kane score late.
Kept believing and didn't give up.
👍⚽️🏴
Speaking of VAR, not a peep when Mitro was hauled down in the box by not one but two Swiss players. A very clear penalty but totally ignored.
It's a carve up.
We are so lucky to be 5-0 up. I am sure there is an England "supporter" somewhere who can find something to criticise.
I'll moan about the use of stray elbows by Panama, too many to be accidental.
Quote from: Twig on June 24, 2018, 02:02:28 PM
We are so lucky to be 5-0 up. I am sure there is an England "supporter" somewhere who can find something to criticise.
Yes me, it should have been 6😂.
Quote from: Twig on June 24, 2018, 02:02:28 PM
We are so lucky to be 5-0 up. I am sure there is an England "supporter" somewhere who can find something to criticise.
Love it 👍
Fantastic result go England go.
Delighted for my mates out there spending there hard earned,also for Southgate and his coaching and physio team.
Go England,now bring on the Belgium.
