Will take place on the 21st of Novemeber to the 18th of December.
Quote from: fulhamben on July 13, 2018, 05:11:58 PM
Will take place on the 21st of Novemeber to the 18th of December.
well its 50 degress centigrade at the moment.
beleive me if it is going to take place here then Nov/Dec may not be a bad idea.
Quote from: fulhamben on July 13, 2018, 05:11:58 PM
Will take place on the 21st of Novemeber to the 18th of December.
Does then mean it's going to be a huge break for football in the U.K. or will it be like rugby where teams have to carrry on and use the squad they have?
Ah that well known footballing nation.
Quote from: ollienixs on July 13, 2018, 05:29:55 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on July 13, 2018, 05:11:58 PM
Will take place on the 21st of Novemeber to the 18th of December.
Does then mean it's going to be a huge break for football in the U.K. or will it be like rugby where teams have to carrry on and use the squad they have?
fifa will force us to break. No doubt give a rest period after as well which will mean no games over the Xmas period
Hopefully all the alleged "bribing" will be revealed and FIFA will be forced to relocate to a deserving and more realistic football nation - that doesn't employ slave labour to build its stadia
Stupidest and most corrupt FIFA event ever.
Qatar has one city and a few settlements. Hope if England qualify that they play their games in Doha.
Quote from: Baszab on July 13, 2018, 05:57:46 PM
Hopefully all the alleged "bribing" will be revealed and FIFA will be forced to relocate to a deserving and more realistic football nation - that doesn't employ slave labour to build its stadia
Qatar does not employ the labour. the companies who build the stadiums employ the labour - the majority of these companies are well known European and American construction companies e.g the British company Balfour Beatty
Quote from: fulhamben on July 13, 2018, 05:54:46 PM
Quote from: ollienixs on July 13, 2018, 05:29:55 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on July 13, 2018, 05:11:58 PM
Will take place on the 21st of Novemeber to the 18th of December.
Does then mean it's going to be a huge break for football in the U.K. or will it be like rugby where teams have to carrry on and use the squad they have?
fifa will force us to break. No doubt give a rest period after as well which will mean no games over the Xmas period
One would expect bumper crowds at L2 L" and non league games for a month
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on July 13, 2018, 06:17:40 PM
Quote from: Baszab on July 13, 2018, 05:57:46 PM
Hopefully all the alleged "bribing" will be revealed and FIFA will be forced to relocate to a deserving and more realistic football nation - that doesn't employ slave labour to build its stadia
Qatar does not employ the labour. the companies who build the stadiums employ the labour - the majority of these companies are well known European and American construction companies e.g the British company Balfour Beatty
Who gives the contracts to the companies?
Quote from: F(f)CUK on July 13, 2018, 06:10:39 PM
Hope if England qualify that they play their games in Doha.
Is that near Springfield?? 😋
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on July 13, 2018, 06:17:40 PM
Quote from: Baszab on July 13, 2018, 05:57:46 PM
Hopefully all the alleged "bribing" will be revealed and FIFA will be forced to relocate to a deserving and more realistic football nation - that doesn't employ slave labour to build its stadia
Qatar does not employ the labour. the companies who build the stadiums employ the labour - the majority of these companies are well known European and American construction companies e.g the British company Balfour Beatty
Exactly, and its those same companies that take advantage of the lax labour laws, so both they and the country have the liability.
Quote from: cookieg on July 13, 2018, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on July 13, 2018, 06:17:40 PM
Quote from: Baszab on July 13, 2018, 05:57:46 PM
Hopefully all the alleged "bribing" will be revealed and FIFA will be forced to relocate to a deserving and more realistic football nation - that doesn't employ slave labour to build its stadia
Qatar does not employ the labour. the companies who build the stadiums employ the labour - the majority of these companies are well known European and American construction companies e.g the British company Balfour Beatty
Who gives the contracts to the companies?
I know this one, i know this one, just a mo, er, um ....
Saudi Ar... no, that's not right, um, FIFA perhaps? Nah that doesn't sound right either, oh, i give up then, who gives the contracts to the companies?
:016: :023: :022:
Quote from: cookieg on July 13, 2018, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on July 13, 2018, 06:17:40 PM
Quote from: Baszab on July 13, 2018, 05:57:46 PM
Hopefully all the alleged "bribing" will be revealed and FIFA will be forced to relocate to a deserving and more realistic football nation - that doesn't employ slave labour to build its stadia
Qatar does not employ the labour. the companies who build the stadiums employ the labour - the majority of these companies are well known European and American construction companies e.g the British company Balfour Beatty
Who gives the contracts to the companies?
And who accepts the contracts and the fee earned from the contracts? And who directly employs the workers, sets their work hours and decides and pays their wages.
The answer to all these questions is the private construction companies.
Football's coming home.... for Christmas!
Can picture Baddiel and Skinner sitting down right now re-writing the lyrics once more.
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on July 14, 2018, 07:18:25 AM
Quote from: cookieg on July 13, 2018, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on July 13, 2018, 06:17:40 PM
Quote from: Baszab on July 13, 2018, 05:57:46 PM
Hopefully all the alleged "bribing" will be revealed and FIFA will be forced to relocate to a deserving and more realistic football nation - that doesn't employ slave labour to build its stadia
Qatar does not employ the labour. the companies who build the stadiums employ the labour - the majority of these companies are well known European and American construction companies e.g the British company Balfour Beatty
Who gives the contracts to the companies?
And who accepts the contracts and the fee earned from the contracts? And who directly employs the workers, sets their work hours and decides and pays their wages.
The answer to all these questions is the private construction companies.
Surely the Qatari government hires the construction companies to build these stadiums? The Qataris would have had a bidding process and accepted the bids and obviously looked to keep costs down to save money to do this the companies use cheap labour. They are all in it together.
It is widely accepted that virtual slave labour is prominent across the Middle East. This ideology does not concern the governments out there.
Most of the Middle Eastern slave labour is Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Palestinian - but this doesn't seem to concern the UNHRC or the snowflakes of the Western World
https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/death-toll-rises-in-the-lead-up-to-the-2022-world-cup/news-story/43896b31023dd6ab6ed213637fe4d3e7
Shocking. This is almost a year old and around 1,200 had died. Think it said the next most number of deaths was around 60. From when this was written there were 5 years until the World Cup. Horrible to think of how high the numbers could get. Fifa, the Qatari government and the construction companies should be ashamed
I would be interested in the stats of fatalities of American and European people found in Asian countries due to abuse etc.
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on July 13, 2018, 06:17:40 PM
Quote from: Baszab on July 13, 2018, 05:57:46 PM
Hopefully all the alleged "bribing" will be revealed and FIFA will be forced to relocate to a deserving and more realistic football nation - that doesn't employ slave labour to build its stadia
Qatar does not employ the labour. the companies who build the stadiums employ the labour - the majority of these companies are well known European and American construction companies e.g the British company Balfour Beatty
Really? Would such employment practices be allowed in any western nation?
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on July 13, 2018, 06:17:40 PM
Quote from: Baszab on July 13, 2018, 05:57:46 PM
Hopefully all the alleged "bribing" will be revealed and FIFA will be forced to relocate to a deserving and more realistic football nation - that doesn't employ slave labour to build its stadia
Qatar does not employ the labour. the companies who build the stadiums employ the labour - the majority of these companies are well known European and American construction companies e.g the British company Balfour Beatty
Slap head you are being disingenuous. You obviously live and work in Qatar so you will be well aware that every company is majority owned locally. You give the examp,e of Balfour Beattywhich is actually a company called B K Gulf and Balfour Beatty only own 49%, 51% is owned by Gulf Contracting Company. This and every other non Qatari company is at least 51% controlled by either; a local sponsor, a local asset management company, a local family group, a local investment company etc. These are the rules and there are no exceptions as I am sure you know. Therefore, the buck stops with the majority shareholder which is inevitably Qatari. As a consultant who who worked in the region I know that this is public information.
I wouldn't send my mother in law there.
Quote from: bill dando on July 14, 2018, 03:39:15 PM
I would be interested in the stats of fatalities of American and European people found in Asian countries due to abuse etc.
So would I.
what this all means is that the fifa competiton for the world caup was so substantially flawed it needs to be re-run.
the competion was for a june/july tournament, if the jury had known meant a switch to winter disrupting the most pwerful leagues in the world then surely they would have voted differently.
the fact fifa is allowing this is proof positive the organisation remains corrupt to its very core and is not fit for purpose. however, that was clear when they left this years tournament in russia despite it clearly being purchased rather than one in a fair vote.
just my opinion but really it is time fifa and many other major sporting institutions were properly exposed, discredited and then we can all start again.
to be fair the russian tournament has been brilliant but that does not detract from its award being rotten to the core.
Good news on four counts
A ludicrously hot and therefore rubbish World Cup where players play at walking pace doesn't excite me. England certainly wouldn't win it.
A large part of the World Cup's attraction is getting an extra month of football in what us usually the close season. Suspect I'm getting at least that albeit maybe some of it one year later.
It might just get switched.....to the UK.
If not, I'd be tempted to go. Nights drawing in here or festival of football there?
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on July 14, 2018, 02:26:09 PM
https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/death-toll-rises-in-the-lead-up-to-the-2022-world-cup/news-story/43896b31023dd6ab6ed213637fe4d3e7
Shocking. This is almost a year old and around 1,200 had died. Think it said the next most number of deaths was around 60. From when this was written there were 5 years until the World Cup. Horrible to think of how high the numbers could get. Fifa, the Qatari government and the construction companies should be ashamed
They have blood on their hands that's for sure. Disgusting that they've got away with this obvious bribe. Whole thing is a total farce.
Quote from: Pluto on July 15, 2018, 10:57:31 AM
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on July 14, 2018, 02:26:09 PM
https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/death-toll-rises-in-the-lead-up-to-the-2022-world-cup/news-story/43896b31023dd6ab6ed213637fe4d3e7
Shocking. This is almost a year old and around 1,200 had died. Think it said the next most number of deaths was around 60. From when this was written there were 5 years until the World Cup. Horrible to think of how high the numbers could get. Fifa, the Qatari government and the construction companies should be ashamed
They have blood on their hands that's for sure. Disgusting that they've got away with this obvious bribe. Whole thing is a total farce.
Yes it most certainly is a farce, it should never have been given to them in the first place, what have they ever contributed to football to earn the right to stage it.
Apart from the fact that the whole farce is magnified by switching it to winter. The agreement was to play it in our summers, and why were they given it in the first place, when clearly their summer with the soaring heat was totally unacceptable.
Corruption at its most evil, brown envelopes changing hands, FIFA who are still ill with corruption and Quatar deserve each other, but we certainly do not deserve either of them.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 15, 2018, 12:54:14 PM
Quote from: Pluto on July 15, 2018, 10:57:31 AM
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on July 14, 2018, 02:26:09 PM
https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/death-toll-rises-in-the-lead-up-to-the-2022-world-cup/news-story/43896b31023dd6ab6ed213637fe4d3e7
Shocking. This is almost a year old and around 1,200 had died. Think it said the next most number of deaths was around 60. From when this was written there were 5 years until the World Cup. Horrible to think of how high the numbers could get. Fifa, the Qatari government and the construction companies should be ashamed
They have blood on their hands that's for sure. Disgusting that they've got away with this obvious bribe. Whole thing is a total farce.
Yes it most certainly is a farce, it should never have been given to them in the first place, what have they ever contributed to football to earn the right to stage it.
Apart from the fact that the whole farce is magnified by switching it to winter. The agreement was to play it in our summers, and why were they given it in the first place, when clearly their summer with the soaring heat was totally unacceptable.
Corruption at its most evil, brown envelopes changing hands, FIFA who are still ill with corruption and Quatar deserve each other, but we certainly do not deserve either of them.
Agreed
It's coming home for Christmas
Quote from: theofulham on July 15, 2018, 07:24:43 PM
It's coming home for Christmas
I doubt if Turkey 🦃 will qualify.
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on July 14, 2018, 02:26:09 PM
https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/death-toll-rises-in-the-lead-up-to-the-2022-world-cup/news-story/43896b31023dd6ab6ed213637fe4d3e7
Shocking. This is almost a year old and around 1,200 had died. Think it said the next most number of deaths was around 60. From when this was written there were 5 years until the World Cup. Horrible to think of how high the numbers could get. Fifa, the Qatari government and the construction companies should be ashamed
Yes, and sadly these things have a habit of being glossed over and forgotten about once the tournament starts and runs smoothly.
Quote from: Twig on July 14, 2018, 06:41:47 PM
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on July 13, 2018, 06:17:40 PM
Quote from: Baszab on July 13, 2018, 05:57:46 PM
Hopefully all the alleged "bribing" will be revealed and FIFA will be forced to relocate to a deserving and more realistic football nation - that doesn't employ slave labour to build its stadia
Qatar does not employ the labour. the companies who build the stadiums employ the labour - the majority of these companies are well known European and American construction companies e.g the British company Balfour Beatty
Slap head you are being disingenuous. You obviously live and work in Qatar so you will be well aware that every company is majority owned locally. You give the examp,e of Balfour Beattywhich is actually a company called B K Gulf and Balfour Beatty only own 49%, 51% is owned by Gulf Contracting Company. This and every other non Qatari company is at least 51% controlled by either; a local sponsor, a local asset management company, a local family group, a local investment company etc. These are the rules and there are no exceptions as I am sure you know. Therefore, the buck stops with the majority shareholder which is inevitably Qatari. As a consultant who who worked in the region I know that this is public information.
So twig you don't think the Western Companies bear any responsibility for this?
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on July 16, 2018, 10:29:43 AM
Quote from: Twig on July 14, 2018, 06:41:47 PM
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on July 13, 2018, 06:17:40 PM
Quote from: Baszab on July 13, 2018, 05:57:46 PM
Hopefully all the alleged "bribing" will be revealed and FIFA will be forced to relocate to a deserving and more realistic football nation - that doesn't employ slave labour to build its stadia
Qatar does not employ the labour. the companies who build the stadiums employ the labour - the majority of these companies are well known European and American construction companies e.g the British company Balfour Beatty
Slap head you are being disingenuous. You obviously live and work in Qatar so you will be well aware that every company is majority owned locally. You give the examp,e of Balfour Beattywhich is actually a company called B K Gulf and Balfour Beatty only own 49%, 51% is owned by Gulf Contracting Company. This and every other non Qatari company is at least 51% controlled by either; a local sponsor, a local asset management company, a local family group, a local investment company etc. These are the rules and there are no exceptions as I am sure you know. Therefore, the buck stops with the majority shareholder which is inevitably Qatari. As a consultant who who worked in the region I know that this is public information.
So twig you don't think the Western Companies bear any responsibility for this?
Have you worked with the Boards of these companies in Qatar? The majority owners ultimately call the shots. Yes, of course the Western minority stakeholders bear some responsibility too. Even if only by decidiing to get into that market whilst being fully aware of how things work.
My point was that you placed the responsibility squarely on the Western busunesses which is simply incorrect. They are joint ventures and the majority shareholders are always local. Ultimately they set the standards, determine the culture and dictate high level policy. They have to be regarded as responsible.
Quote from: nose returns on July 14, 2018, 10:14:29 PM
what this all means is that the fifa competiton for the world caup was so substantially flawed it needs to be re-run.
the competion was for a june/july tournament, if the jury had known meant a switch to winter disrupting the most pwerful leagues in the world then surely they would have voted differently.
the fact fifa is allowing this is proof positive the organisation remains corrupt to its very core and is not fit for purpose. however, that was clear when they left this years tournament in russia despite it clearly being purchased rather than one in a fair vote.
just my opinion but really it is time fifa and many other major sporting institutions were properly exposed, discredited and then we can all start again.
to be fair the russian tournament has been brilliant but that does not detract from its award being rotten to the core.
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Unfortunately we have to wait 8 years for the next 'proper' World Cup*
*=Unless England win it of course, however, if not then it is a fake World Cup to me.
Quote from: gezkc on July 16, 2018, 12:24:35 PM
Quote from: nose returns on July 14, 2018, 10:14:29 PM
what this all means is that the fifa competiton for the world caup was so substantially flawed it needs to be re-run.
the competion was for a june/july tournament, if the jury had known meant a switch to winter disrupting the most pwerful leagues in the world then surely they would have voted differently.
the fact fifa is allowing this is proof positive the organisation remains corrupt to its very core and is not fit for purpose. however, that was clear when they left this years tournament in russia despite it clearly being purchased rather than one in a fair vote.
just my opinion but really it is time fifa and many other major sporting institutions were properly exposed, discredited and then we can all start again.
to be fair the russian tournament has been brilliant but that does not detract from its award being rotten to the core.
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Absolutely agree - is anything going on to make this happen? Do we need the CIA or FBI to step in and start a criminal investigation?
Quote from: Whitesideup on July 16, 2018, 05:21:44 PM
Quote from: gezkc on July 16, 2018, 12:24:35 PM
Quote from: nose returns on July 14, 2018, 10:14:29 PM
what this all means is that the fifa competiton for the world caup was so substantially flawed it needs to be re-run.
the competion was for a june/july tournament, if the jury had known meant a switch to winter disrupting the most pwerful leagues in the world then surely they would have voted differently.
the fact fifa is allowing this is proof positive the organisation remains corrupt to its very core and is not fit for purpose. however, that was clear when they left this years tournament in russia despite it clearly being purchased rather than one in a fair vote.
just my opinion but really it is time fifa and many other major sporting institutions were properly exposed, discredited and then we can all start again.
to be fair the russian tournament has been brilliant but that does not detract from its award being rotten to the core.
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Absolutely agree - is anything going on to make this happen? Do we need the CIA or FBI to step in and start a criminal investigation?
As well as MI5, Interpol, The Sweeney, The A team, Elliott Ness, Witchfinder General. We need everyone as there are so many of these corrupt officials involved. They not so much fell off the back of a lorry, they were pushed off.
A stench under the nostrils of honest men.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 16, 2018, 07:56:38 PM
Quote from: Whitesideup on July 16, 2018, 05:21:44 PM
Quote from: gezkc on July 16, 2018, 12:24:35 PM
Quote from: nose returns on July 14, 2018, 10:14:29 PM
what this all means is that the fifa competiton for the world caup was so substantially flawed it needs to be re-run.
the competion was for a june/july tournament, if the jury had known meant a switch to winter disrupting the most pwerful leagues in the world then surely they would have voted differently.
the fact fifa is allowing this is proof positive the organisation remains corrupt to its very core and is not fit for purpose. however, that was clear when they left this years tournament in russia despite it clearly being purchased rather than one in a fair vote.
just my opinion but really it is time fifa and many other major sporting institutions were properly exposed, discredited and then we can all start again.
to be fair the russian tournament has been brilliant but that does not detract from its award being rotten to the core.
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Absolutely agree - is anything going on to make this happen? Do we need the CIA or FBI to step in and start a criminal investigation?
As well as MI5, Interpol, The Sweeney, The A team, Elliott Ness, Witchfinder General. We need everyone as there are so many of these corrupt officials involved. They not so much fell off the back of a lorry, they were pushed off.
A stench under the nostrils of honest men.
actually all you need is some good journalism (there is the first problem!!!)
then you need to get to the sponsors. the big organisations cannot be seen to condone crrupt practice. it is really that easy.
so do we know an honest journalist, hey ho nothing gonna change.
It's a bit shocking that people can be complaining about a winter World Cup when thousands of people are going to lose their lives building the stadia. An estimated 4,000 will have died by the World Cup. That's more fans than England took to each group game in Russia. Slap head (meant endearingly) if hundreds of people died building something in this country the government would step in. The company's doing the contract would lose it and there would be prosecutions. To say if you didn't want people to die then you shouldn't have given Qatar the World Cup is a bit of a joke. Even Russia at Sochi only lost 40 people. Qatar will have 100x more deaths if predictions are accurate. It's not just Qatari's who are in the wrong here but how can any government let this happen. Fifa I hold responsible too. They should inform countries building for their events that if working conditions aren't up to par and multiple fatalities accur then you lose the World Cup and in that all their investment as it appears that is all they care about. The western involved companies included
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on July 17, 2018, 07:11:37 PM
It's a bit shocking that people can be complaining about a winter World Cup when thousands of people are going to lose their lives building the stadia. An estimated 4,000 will have died by the World Cup. That's more fans than England took to each group game in Russia. Slap head (meant endearingly) if hundreds of people died building something in this country the government would step in. The company's doing the contract would lose it and there would be prosecutions. To say if you didn't want people to die then you shouldn't have given Qatar the World Cup is a bit of a joke. Even Russia at Sochi only lost 40 people. Qatar will have 100x more deaths if predictions are accurate. It's not just Qatari's who are in the wrong here but how can any government let this happen. Fifa I hold responsible too. They should inform countries building for their events that if working conditions aren't up to par and multiple fatalities accur then you lose the World Cup and in that all their investment as it appears that is all they care about. The western involved companies included
Ana then the brown envelopes are handed around and nobody at FIFA cares on what you have rightly stated in relation to deaths etc
How many workers died in building the Olympic stadia in England? Just wondering.
Boycott is the only sensible solution and the only way to make sure it won't happen again. Any nation that sends a team to this world cup is sending a message that this is ok and have blood on their hands IMO. I won't be watching a single game of this tragedy and I find it SHOCKING that not a single nation has made any REAL efforts to stop it.
Just to let you know that in general Russia has had nothing but praise for all the teams and supporters who visited this country.They have even passed a law whereby anyone who came is allowed to return visa free till the end of 2018.A sincere welcome back to any who want to return but be warned-The Russian winter months are savage for hardy souls only who can survive temperatures of -50 in some places!!
Quote from: Russianrob on July 18, 2018, 05:06:33 PM
Just to let you know that in general Russia has had nothing but praise for all the teams and supporters who visited this country.They have even passed a law whereby anyone who came is allowed to return visa free till the end of 2018.A sincere welcome back to any who want to return but be warned-The Russian winter months are savage for hardy souls only who can survive temperatures of -50 in some places!!
The good news is that you will have no need to buy a fridge or freezer, but you might need a flame thrower instead.
A Fridge? That's central heating for the Russian!!
