Any live streams for the game today. Nothing about it on FCTV.
What you going on about. Slav decided to play the youth in midweek all the 1st team are out there and should all start tonight and hopeful Sari. Think you got sun stroke lol 😂
Very intrigued to see the team sheet tonight.
Not sure we will have enough to cause Lyon issues, but you never know.
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2018, 03:39:45 PM
I'm genuinely intrigued as to how it can go ahead. We don't even have a team. Unless we've persuaded Lyon to play a 5-a-side game. Maybe we'll play with a rush keeper. Otherwise it's just going to be ritual humiliation like the Fenerbahce match and most of last summer's pre-season.
Pre season games hopelessly overrated. We got the "ritual humiliation" in last summer's pre-season but got promoted. They are mainly to put a few fringe players on view (possibly to facilitate loan deals) and give first teamers (who are not still on holiday from World Cup duties etc) a gentle run out. Nothing more.
Won't affect confidence or morale,,,,,,,,, that's ok then
Nothing like a preseason friendly to blow the cobwebs and rust away, improve the sharpness and timing and first touch, in a pleasant competitive challenging match, nothing to lose, plenty to gain.
I am sure Jok values the run out as much as the players, team bonding, morale etc, team spirit etc, as well as my wife, my daughter, my three sons and myself, and many other supporters I would imagine.
I am also intrigued to see the lineups.
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2018, 03:39:45 PM
I'm genuinely intrigued as to how it can go ahead. We don't even have a team. Unless we've persuaded Lyon to play a 5-a-side game. Maybe we'll play with a rush keeper. Otherwise it's just going to be ritual humiliation like the Fenerbahce match and most of last summer's pre-season.
Your taking it too seriously - at this point in the preparations it's about getting match fit and SJ having a look at some juniors
Both teams are likely to play 20 plus players during the match, so what sort of team play are you expecting
Quote from: Roberty on July 21, 2018, 04:45:49 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2018, 03:39:45 PM
I'm genuinely intrigued as to how it can go ahead. We don't even have a team. Unless we've persuaded Lyon to play a 5-a-side game. Maybe we'll play with a rush keeper. Otherwise it's just going to be ritual humiliation like the Fenerbahce match and most of last summer's pre-season.
Your taking it too seriously - at this point in the preparations it's about getting match fit and SJ having a look at some juniors
Both teams are likely to play 20 plus players during the match, so what sort of team play are you expecting
But exactly who are we getting match fit, because if this is our prem starting eleven then we are doomed. And if it isn't then what's the point?
Pre season matches are relevant and important despite some on here trying to make out to the contrary. They give the team a chance to gel, develop match fitness, incorporate the new players etc. We had a shambles last year that cost us a slow start to the season and ultimately automatic promotion. We are having a shambles this year. Anyone care to predict the impact?
I guess a trip to Lyon may give the players relief from the hot weather in London, or have we got that wrong, perhaps the game would have been best played in NW Scotland against a weak team for maximum benefit.
Same old voices saying the same old thing. Yes we all get it by now. But the friendly games are just that and while it would be great to have the team and squad all up and running. It never happens and until we reach the end of the Window and are still awaiting the players in the positions we badly need we might as well stop moaning.
Not so many games in the Prem and so as long as we do have a decent squad at the start we don't need ages for them to gel.
Quote from: joemole on July 21, 2018, 02:23:44 PM
Any live streams for the game today. Nothing about it on FCTV.
The game is on TV in Norway (tv2 sport premium).
Quote from: Lighthouse on July 21, 2018, 05:30:33 PM
Same old voices saying the same old thing. Yes we all get it by now. But the friendly games are just that and while it would be great to have the team and squad all up and running. It never happens and until we reach the end of the Window and are still awaiting the players in the positions we badly need we might as well stop moaning.
Not so many games in the Prem and so as long as we do have a decent squad at the start we don't need ages for them to gel.
Precisely, Everton WON 22-0 last weekend which probably done them as much bad as good. A good run out but they did not learn much which will help them win in the Premiership..... especially when the away goal-keeper just walks away from the goal. Cannot see the games hurting and it gives the younger lads a great chance to test themselves.
COYW
Quote from: Hoppus on July 21, 2018, 05:39:45 PM
Quote from: joemole on July 21, 2018, 02:23:44 PM
Any live streams for the game today. Nothing about it on FCTV.
The game is on TV in Norway (tv2 sport premium).
Brilliant, thank you.,,,,,,,, Crystal Palace won 1-3 at Oxford this afternoon bet Roy is not bothered though
This is a chance for the youth to shine, and for the seniors to build up their fitness with another 45.
Looking at the squad we have , I would be incredibly excited if I was a youngster looking to push on. The likes of ORiley, Edun, JDT,Fossey, De La Torre and Steve Sess surely have to see this impasse as an opportunity to say , you know what boss, I'll step up and show you we don't need another signing.
I'd play out of my skin to at least keep me in the managers mind.
At worst, even if we do by some miracle get an avalanche of signings we will be more confident with extra depth, or at worst be able to send the best ones out on loan. The juniors have to realise their chance and take it. O Riley done wonders last pre season, now lets see him and the others kick on and be able to spring a surprise or two instead of lying down and taking a beating just because the club describe it , as they did vs Fenerbahce, a young and inexperienced team
http://cricfree.sc/watch/live/lyon-vs-fulham-live-streaming
She didnt need to worry in the end. Somehow we scraped together a rag bag bunch of players.
The game can actually go on
phew
Bettinelli, Christie, Odoi, Ream, Le Marchand, Cairney, Seri, Johansen, Kamara, Fonte, R.Sessegnon
Just enjoy the game and the season. The complaining about nothing before the season starts is just ridiculous. It'll be a long season with probably more losses than wins. Embrace it and enjoy it!
Get in there Fulham ⚽️
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUizNOwSCqM
Lyon fans have set off flares. Haha.
my link has gone
That was a great stream - but now it's gone.
Thanks for the link anyway.
Yes what a shame, we have been rumbled.
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/663536/3/watch-lyon-vs-fulham-fc.html
Edit: I'd say this one is better quality, however the ad's on this website really annoy me!
Quote from: Walsh on July 21, 2018, 08:19:54 PM
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/663536/3/watch-lyon-vs-fulham-fc.html
Edit: I'd say this one is better quality, however the ad's on this website really annoy me!
You can say that again, I have just bought a three piece suite.
Interesting couple of tactical notes:
1. Ryan Sess is playing RW and Kamara at LW, inverting their positions from last season
2. Seri is playing cdm, the KMac position. Means StefJo still in the side, maybe how Joka wants us to play with a more mobile cdm?
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Quote from: RaySmith on July 21, 2018, 08:15:39 PM
That was a great stream - but now it's gone.
Thanks for the link anyway.
this one works. Thanks! 049:gif
https://www.todaylivegames.com/2018/07/watch-live-lyon-vs-fulham-club.html?m=1
Works for me no pop ups either
0-0 Seri booked.
That Traore is some player - they are a lot sharper than us at the moment. Seri deeper than KMac normally is but very comfortable on the ball (harsh booking as well)
We are not at the races again.
Quote from: fulhamben on July 21, 2018, 08:41:59 PM
We are not at the races again.
Lyon are a top French side and regulars in the Champions League is not an easy game
Please DO NOT try to use First Row or Crifree. They will load you with viruses. Luckily I have a Mac and was able to remove the viruses.
Quote from: joemole on July 21, 2018, 08:48:28 PM
Please DO NOT try to use First Row or Crifree. They will load you with viruses. Luckily I have a Mac and was able to remove the viruses.
the one I posted is mint. No pop up ads or anything
Quote from: Nero on July 21, 2018, 08:47:30 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on July 21, 2018, 08:41:59 PM
We are not at the races again.
Lyon are a top French side and regulars in the Champions League is not an easy game
yes I'm on about us being sloppy with the basics
I'm actually reasonably content with that half. It's a bit sloppy, but that's Pre-Season in general not exclusive to us. We need to get used to having less possession in games than we've had the last two seasons and playing top drawer teams is how you do it.
I thought all in all not a bad half. We have to remember this is a team that finished 2 points off 2nd in Ligue 1, is in the champions league, should've been in the europa league semis last year, beat PSG and still starting a fairly strong lineup.
I like the look of MLM, looks good on both sides of the ball. Very comfortable with the ball at his feet - almost too comfortable.
Stef and TC have been caught in possession alot from this press, it'll be a good test for the season and way better than beating some pub team 22-0.
Fairly decent performance - you can see how much it affects our play style with no focal point up front. I like Fonte but he can't do the Mitro job that allows us to have an alternate route of playing the ball out. Lyon have good forwards, as you'd expect from a Champions League team and we're dealing with them reasonably well.
One thing I would say, I know it's only a friendly but my god do the Lyon players go down like a sack of sh1t from the slightest touch, and the officials seem to be on holiday still - Seri got booked for winning the ball somehow?????
Quote from: Fulhamerica on July 21, 2018, 08:56:17 PM
I thought all in all not a bad half. We have to remember this is a team that finished 2 points off 2nd in Ligue 1, is in the champions league, should've been in the europa league semis last year, beat PSG and still starting a fairly strong lineup.
I like the look of MLM, looks good on both sides of the ball. Very comfortable with the ball at his feet - almost too comfortable.
Stef and TC have been caught in possession alot from this press, it'll be a good test for the season and way better than beating some pub team 22-0.
Agreed, MLM very nimble for a big man. Ream is having another solid match, both sides of the ball. Good half. Also, what save by Betts on that one destined for low far post.
Yes, must admit enjoyed that first half despite Lyon looking by far the better side.
We have managed hold our own against a very slick Champions League side.
Breeched our defence several times but we remain at 0-0 HT.
Seri impressive but must be wondering who he has signed for?
Plenty of our lot need to pick up the pace, especially Christie, Sess and Stefan.
With this team it is not surprising we have only had one shot. Let's hope we have a better 2nd half
"Both sides of the ball" ?
Nice move, Kamara blazes one over.
I like the lad, but maybe explains why Joka has moved him out wide!
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Cairney puts AK in and he blasts wide,,,, good chance.
Follow up, the guy hit by the ball was just checked for concussion by the stewards!
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He certainly hits it hard.
Seri off
Kmac on
1-0 down ,,,,,,, very simple goal
Dirty from stef Jo
Was hoping we could hold out, but no evidence we can come back from this.
Still never mind. Good training session.
This performance would be no different with different keeper and striker
Stefan booked for one of his ridiculous fouls.
Both twins on,,,,,,, hope they are learning!
Odio brings down guy in the box .... Penalty
We're f*cked if Odoi is anywhere near out defence this year, that was comically bad
Soft Penalty 2-0
Quote from: Syd Cupp on July 21, 2018, 09:34:58 PM
Soft Penalty 2-0
Definitely not, I'm up there with biased Fulham supporters but why's he dragging the bloke back by his shirt like that for no reason
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 21, 2018, 09:34:47 PM
We're f*cked if Odoi is anywhere near out defence this year, that was comically bad
slight tug of the shirt, everyone does it. That said, with the back 4 that we currently have, I can't see many clean sheets this year
2-0....... getting easier for them.
Can see plenty of Prem games turning out like this.
All the kids coming on now
Bit worrying that we haven't scored a goal yet in pre- season.
Yeah we really need to sign David Lopez
Quote from: andyk on July 21, 2018, 09:37:23 PM
Bit worrying that we haven't scored a goal yet in pre- season.
Other than the four we scored in our first game?
3-0
So i missed the first half because the website said 9pm kickoff without stating local time and now I get to watch the crap part. I'm getting worried about the transfer market and this game just compounds that. I know we dont have our full first team out but we're getting destroyed.
3-0 good run by french bloke skinned the left back too easily but well taken goal.
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 21, 2018, 09:37:58 PM
Quote from: andyk on July 21, 2018, 09:37:23 PM
Bit worrying that we haven't scored a goal yet in pre- season.
Other than the four we scored in our first game?
Must have missed that one, who were we playing Catford Dog Track Utd?
Tell you what, if that's our squad come palace, or anything near it, we're bang in trouble.
Winger accelerated past our young fullback and slotted.
Embarrassing now but never mind good workout
Even with the first 11, no threat on goal and being toyed with. Serious investment is needed
Last season down 8-2 to Chelsea
4-0
4-0 FFS
Getting smashed tonight!! Although, we didn't win a pre season last year either
Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on July 21, 2018, 09:40:12 PM
Tell you what, if that's our squad come palace, or anything near it, we're bang in trouble.
Team on the pitch at the moment from 2-0 down is
Bettinelli, S.Sessegnon, Jenz, Cisse, Fossey, O'Riley, McDonald, de la Torre, Thorsteinsson, Kait, Kebano
Quote from: Fulham76 on July 21, 2018, 09:46:10 PM
Getting smashed tonight!! Although, we didn't win a pre season last year either
yes and we were shocking for the first half of the season
Quote from: Dodgin on July 21, 2018, 09:44:24 PM
Last season down 8-2 to Chelsea
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I think we're trying for that score again.
Quote from: fulhamben on July 21, 2018, 09:47:01 PM
Quote from: Fulham76 on July 21, 2018, 09:46:10 PM
Getting smashed tonight!! Although, we didn't win a pre season last year either
yes and we were shocking for the first half of the season
And not an attempt on or off target so far
My pet hate is when they focus on the crowd rather than the football. I don't care about the guy who got hit by Kamara's shot and I don't care about the guy being interviewed. Focus on the pitch ffs lol.
In fairness the team that was our closest 11 was losing 1-0 and since we brought on the academy players it's gone to poo, so not that bad all things considered
oh fulham how I've missed you
Quote from: Syd Cupp on July 21, 2018, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on July 21, 2018, 09:40:12 PM
Tell you what, if that's our squad come palace, or anything near it, we're bang in trouble.
Team on the pitch at the moment from 2-0 down is
Bettinelli, S.Sessegnon, Jenz, Cisse, Fossey, O'Riley, McDonald, de la Torre, Thorsteinsson, Kait, Kebano
Fair comment, but, this is the Premiership we're dealing with this season, not the Champ.
FT. Not too much to read in to but I reckon this Lyon team would finish 7th-10th in the Premier League, so that's a sort of benchmark. I thought Seri would be the start of a stream of signings but now I'm definitely getting a bit anxious.
Thank gawd that's over,,,,, so from our 3 friendly's so far scored NIL conceded SEVEN.
Still don't matter.
Overall clear squad improvement needed in key areas, offered very little going forward and causing no threat, midfield are going to be ok but today there was a lot of misplaced simple passes, still need to sure up the defence and Betts didn't move for the 3rd.
My main worry is if we pin out hopes on Mitro as the be all and end all as he needs supply. Ideally we need two new strikers
i saw nearly all the game and it was dreadful. we were third best across the field. BUT the ref and officials were a joke, there were a few fould especially on AK that were worthy of doncaster around 1969... lyon were brutal in terms of a friendly and it was just ridiculous to see that in a pre season match.
however we were poor, didn't pass to each other, TC seemed to ignore serri on every possible occasion and fonte and sess looked well out of their depth. ream and odoi stuggled and the back four was not playing as a unit, hopefully that will come.
if that is the best we do, we are in trouble.
Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on July 21, 2018, 09:50:32 PM
Quote from: Syd Cupp on July 21, 2018, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on July 21, 2018, 09:40:12 PM
Tell you what, if that's our squad come palace, or anything near it, we're bang in trouble.
Team on the pitch at the moment from 2-0 down is
Bettinelli, S.Sessegnon, Jenz, Cisse, Fossey, O'Riley, McDonald, de la Torre, Thorsteinsson, Kait, Kebano
Fair comment, but, this is the Premiership we're dealing with this season, not the Champ.
Could be a tough way of seeing if the Reserve players are up to stepping up to the plate.
Also Joka showing that we need a few more players even if to prove that apart from the first XI
there isnt a lot in the locker.
But its pre season and I doubt.....
a - that not many players are up to fitness yet.
b - no one want to get injured
c - Jokas gonna be trying out new tactics seeing what works and what dont.
There is another thing both Lyon and Fenerbache are Champions League teams so was always going to be tough
We've only just come out of the Championship. Its like giving the players a tough lesson in whats to come.
Quote from: nose returns on July 21, 2018, 09:58:32 PM
i saw nearly all the game and it was dreadful. we were third best across the field. BUT the ref and officials were a joke, there were a few fould especially on AK that were worthy of doncaster around 1969... lyon were brutal in terms of a friendly and it was just ridiculous to see that in a pre season match.
however we were poor, didn't pass to each other, TC seemed to ignore serri on every possible occasion and fonte and sess looked well out of their depth. ream and odoi stuggled and the back four was not playing as a unit, hopefully that will come.
if that is the best we do, we are in trouble.
I don't believe for a minute (at least I'm hoping) that our back four will be anything like that. Hoping for 3 defenders to come in
Quote from: fulhamben on July 21, 2018, 10:01:11 PM
Quote from: nose returns on July 21, 2018, 09:58:32 PM
i saw nearly all the game and it was dreadful. we were third best across the field. BUT the ref and officials were a joke, there were a few fould especially on AK that were worthy of doncaster around 1969... lyon were brutal in terms of a friendly and it was just ridiculous to see that in a pre season match.
however we were poor, didn't pass to each other, TC seemed to ignore serri on every possible occasion and fonte and sess looked well out of their depth. ream and odoi stuggled and the back four was not playing as a unit, hopefully that will come.
if that is the best we do, we are in trouble.
I don't believe for a minute (at least I'm hoping) that our back four will be anything like that. Hoping for 3 defenders to come in
well i hope you are right. we have lost two of the regular four from last season so that isn't good. i am not too worried to lose to a team like that in pre season but the display was very poor.
That's it then relegation. :022:😂😂😂
That was shambolic!
We looked awful at the back
No target man
Our passing game was dire
Unless my eyes deceived me we were actually playing long balls
Where oh where was our slick oiled Fulham
We need 3 or 4 decent signings in the usual key areas, and we need them now!
Quote from: Fernhurst on July 21, 2018, 09:55:44 PM
Thank gawd that's over,,,,, so from our 3 friendly's so far scored NIL conceded SEVEN.
Still don't matter.
So you're going to ignore the fact we've played 4 and actually scored 4 in one of those games to fit your narrative?
Quote from: FFCSteve on July 21, 2018, 10:09:59 PM
That was shambolic!
We looked awful at the back
No target man
Our passing game was dire
Unless my eyes deceived me we were actually playing long balls
Where oh where was our slick oiled Fulham
We need 3 or 4 decent signings in the usual key areas, and we need them now!
Slava said at the end of last season that there would be changes to the way we play in the Premier against some sides,this is what he is maybe trying out.
We want be allowed to play our passing game against certain sides and Slava knows this.
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2018, 10:00:34 PM
Honestly what the fu@k do Macintosh and Tony Khan think they're doing?
This is just totally disrespectful to Jokanovic and the players.
At best our preseason so far has been pointless and we'll start the season having had no useful practice games. At worst it's dispiriting and we'll start the season lacking confidence and perhaps even without Jokanovic.
This has got to the point where the window has to recognised as a total fu@# up so far and it DOES have an effect. There's a reason every club spends time and money on preseason, it's not just something they do for a laugh that we can do without. It's not about patience or positivity anymore - we really are going to be f+&#ing relegated if we don't take MAJOR ACTION NOW
We played two champions league teams, with essentially two of the halves with our academy players out. No doubt you'll take the view that Joka is doing so to prove a point or because he doesn't have any players, because you've been peddling that view for weeks now, but has it ever occurred to you he's using these games to bring players up to speed slowly and blood the youth team players in to see who's able to make the step up? Lyon have a better squad than half of the premier league for Christ sake, sometimes I think you need a sense of perspective
We went at half time 0-0 against a strong Lyon team then changes get made and things change its a training session. Take a chill pill Jesus, we've just made the 2 signing with more to come. Just relax. I'm seriously starting to hate the negativity on this board and it's just a preseason game. Get a bloody grip
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 21, 2018, 10:20:58 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2018, 10:00:34 PM
Honestly what the fu@k do Macintosh and Tony Khan think they're doing?
This is just totally disrespectful to Jokanovic and the players.
At best our preseason so far has been pointless and we'll start the season having had no useful practice games. At worst it's dispiriting and we'll start the season lacking confidence and perhaps even without Jokanovic.
This has got to the point where the window has to recognised as a total fu@# up so far and it DOES have an effect. There's a reason every club spends time and money on preseason, it's not just something they do for a laugh that we can do without. It's not about patience or positivity anymore - we really are going to be f+&#ing relegated if we don't take MAJOR ACTION NOW
We played two champions league teams, with essentially two of the halves with our academy players out. No doubt you'll take the view that Joka is doing so to prove a point or because he doesn't have any players, because you've been peddling that view for weeks now, but has it ever occurred to you he's using these games to bring players up to speed slowly and blood the youth team players in to see who's able to make the step up? Lyon have a better squad than half of the premier league for Christ sake, sometimes I think you need a sense of perspective
Be careful of what you say..all resistance is futile and you will be moderated out...
Seems that from reading Twitter, the Lyon fans were causing trouble
Quote from: FFCSteve on July 21, 2018, 10:09:59 PM
That was shambolic!
We looked awful at the back
No target man
Our passing game was dire
Unless my eyes deceived me we were actually playing long balls
Where oh where was our slick oiled Fulham
We need 3 or 4 decent signings in the usual key areas, and we need them now!
Let's just get the next four players that are free and want to join a football club...
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 21, 2018, 10:20:58 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2018, 10:00:34 PM
Honestly what the fu@k do Macintosh and Tony Khan think they're doing?
This is just totally disrespectful to Jokanovic and the players.
At best our preseason so far has been pointless and we'll start the season having had no useful practice games. At worst it's dispiriting and we'll start the season lacking confidence and perhaps even without Jokanovic.
This has got to the point where the window has to recognised as a total fu@# up so far and it DOES have an effect. There's a reason every club spends time and money on preseason, it's not just something they do for a laugh that we can do without. It's not about patience or positivity anymore - we really are going to be f+&#ing relegated if we don't take MAJOR ACTION NOW
We played two champions league teams, with essentially two of the halves with our academy players out. No doubt you'll take the view that Joka is doing so to prove a point or because he doesn't have any players, because you've been peddling that view for weeks now, but has it ever occurred to you he's using these games to bring players up to speed slowly and blood the youth team players in to see who's able to make the step up? Lyon have a better squad than half of the premier league for Christ sake, sometimes I think you need a sense of perspective
Don't you know that we need to spend 100million quid by Tuesday or we'll have a season worse than Derby! Let's ignore half of the teams in the Prem losing in Pre-Season today, most of them against much worse teams than Lyon. Might as well start booking the trains for Ipswich Away in 2019.
Quote from: nose returns on July 21, 2018, 09:58:32 PM
i saw nearly all the game and it was dreadful. we were third best across the field. BUT the ref and officials were a joke, there were a few fould especially on AK that were worthy of doncaster around 1969... lyon were brutal in terms of a friendly and it was just ridiculous to see that in a pre season match.
however we were poor, didn't pass to each other, TC seemed to ignore serri on every possible occasion and fonte and sess looked well out of their depth. ream and odoi stuggled and the back four was not playing as a unit, hopefully that will come.
if that is the best we do, we are in trouble.
It's a pre season game. Time to learn.
We should have played really low ranking teams and beaten them handsomely and gained a huge amount of confidence..then get it punctured by Roy and his Premiership scappers in a couple of weeks time...
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2018, 10:00:34 PM
Honestly what the fu@k do Macintosh and Tony Khan think they're doing?
This is just totally disrespectful to Jokanovic and the players.
At best our preseason so far has been pointless and we'll start the season having had no useful practice games. At worst it's dispiriting and we'll start the season lacking confidence and perhaps even without Jokanovic.
This has got to the point where the window has to recognised as a total fu@# up so far and it DOES have an effect. There's a reason every club spends time and money on preseason, it's not just something they do for a laugh that we can do without. It's not about patience or positivity anymore - we really are going to be f+&#ing relegated if we don't take MAJOR ACTION NOW
You're so naive it's worrying.
You think attaching high calibre players is easy? It takes time. Pre season is about fitness first and foremost. If we had played Sutton Utd and won 4-0, we'd learn far less that today's result.
It's about fitness and getting a cohesive unit. I didn't watch the game but sounds like we weren't at our flowing best which is to be expected as It's only 3 weeks into pre season.
We are in the big boys league and Lyon would get beaten by the top 6 in the PL. this is certainly a stark reminder to the board that plenty of recruitment is still necessary prior to the start of the season. I think we all knew this so this result literally adds nothing new to what we already know.
Quote from: Tooting legend on July 21, 2018, 10:23:20 PM
We went at half time 0-0 against a strong Lyon team then changes get made and things change its a training session. Take a chill pill Jesus, we've just made the 2 signing with more to come. Just relax. I'm seriously starting to hate the negativity on this board and it's just a preseason game. Get a bloody grip
This
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2018, 10:48:06 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on July 21, 2018, 10:35:17 PM
You're so naive it's worrying.
You think attaching high calibre players is easy? It takes time. Pre season is about fitness first and foremost.
BS. If you want to get fit you go on an exercise bike. You don't spend £100k flying the squad to Switzerland and hiring a whole hotel for a week. You go to the trouble of playing pre-season fixtures to get the team ready for competitive matches, to get them used to playing with each other. You don't achieve any of that when you send out a team half full of kids to get spanked without having an attempt on target. All we learned today is we need a lot more bodies in because those we have will get hammered by 4+ goals against 30-50% of the teams we play next year. At best today was pointless and had no effect on the team, positive or negative. At worst it was dispiriting.
Match fitness is different to fitness. The whole squad is fit. They're footballers.
We knew we needed bodies anyway. There is no point playing small teams and learning nothing. Playing high calibre teams prepares us for the challenges next season.
Why don't you join another forum, your stupid comments arent welcome on here. Just get a bloody grip
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2018, 10:48:06 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on July 21, 2018, 10:35:17 PM
You're so naive it's worrying.
You think attaching high calibre players is easy? It takes time. Pre season is about fitness first and foremost.
BS. If you want to get fit you go on an exercise bike. You don't spend £100k flying the squad to Switzerland and hiring a whole hotel for a week. You go to the trouble of playing pre-season fixtures to get the team ready for competitive matches, to get them used to playing with each other. You don't achieve any of that when you send out a team half full of kids to get spanked without having an attempt on target. All we learned today is we need a lot more bodies in because those we have will get hammered by 4+ goals against 30-50% of the teams we play next year. At best today was pointless and had no effect on the team, positive or negative. At worst it was dispiriting.
There's a massive difference between being Match Fit and being "Gym Fit". Especially with a game like today we've been put through the ringer and Lyon pressed the life out of us, that can only be a good thing to prepare us for what we'll face in the Prem. First 60 minutes today I'd bet at least 5, maybe 6 start against Palace; Christie, Le Marchand/Ream, Seri, Cairney, Sessegnon. Maybe Bettinelli if Jokanovic starts him over Fabri and Le Marchand at LB and Ream at LCB depending on who else comes in.
So at least half of the team who'll start for us against Palace held a Champions League level side (a side who beat the team who finished 8th in the Prem last season twice) to a 0-0 for 60 minutes. It would be one thing if we'd gone completely backwards from a results standpoint like say losing 3-0 to Derby or 2-1 to AFC Wimbledon. But we haven't, because amazingly a Champions League level team is much better than a newly promoted one who are playing with pretty much a group of Championship players and ran away with it when said newly promoted team brought on their kids. We've got more from the game today than we would have thrashing an Austrian 5th Division team 22-0 where the Goalkeeper literally gives up and lets goals in.
We should have at least two more in for the Germany tournament next week (Fabri and Mitrovic) and then another 2-4 minimum for when we play Sampdoria and Celta Vigo. It's not been a conscious thing to stagger the Pre-Season to give our kids a proper chance, but that's where we've ended up because of how slow the market's been in general- and amazingly, it'll speed up the closer we get to the deadline (crazy, I know).
Quote from: Tooting legend on July 21, 2018, 10:23:20 PM
We went at half time 0-0 against a strong Lyon team then changes get made and things change its a training session. Take a chill pill Jesus, we've just made the 2 signing with more to come. Just relax. I'm seriously starting to hate the negativity on this board and it's just a preseason game. Get a bloody grip
+1
Yes that wasn't great, but Lyon are a damn good side. We will get bodies in, but they won't all be ready for Palace.
People forget we're used to doing our business late on in August, and now we're being asked to have everything by early August. That's a big change, so to get them in for the first is in itself impressive.
Will they all have gelled by then? Of course not, but at least they'll be here.
We held our own until the youngsters came on and players made silly errors. That's what pre-season is for, to make and learn from those errors and blood through the youngsters.
People seriously need to calm down, there's 3 weeks left of the window. Some seem to think we're already relegated before a ball has been kicked!
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I find it laughable some of the optimistic reasoning and dismay at people getting concerned!
There were two teams on the field tonight. Did Lyon look like they didn't want to win the match? They were there to shake off the rust and gain some fitness and sharpness! Which in my mind is what we were there for.
We were awful! End of! What good came out of that game for us? Except prove were not ready!
I don't mind loosing these games, as long as we look like were in the game. And gain some of the benefits Lyon probably did.
Time is short. People get anxious and loose patience, because we are always late bringing players in!
I don't think we will fair so well having a poor first half of the season in the Premiership like we did in the Championship!
We need to hit the ground running.
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2018, 10:56:27 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 21, 2018, 10:20:58 PM
We played two champions league teams
30%-50% of the teams in the Premier League are as good as the two [Turkish and French!] Champions League teams we've just played. Are we happy getting spanked 3-0 and 4-0 every other game next season then? Or do you not care as long as we only lose 1-0 in the games in between?
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 21, 2018, 10:20:58 PM
with essentially two of the halves with our academy players out
Er, that's our squad mate!
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 21, 2018, 10:20:58 PM
No doubt you'll take the view that Joka is doing so to prove a point or because he doesn't have any players, because you've been peddling that view for weeks now
Not sure I've ever said that but never mind
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 21, 2018, 10:20:58 PM
Lyon have a better squad than half of the premier league for Christ sake
See comment #1 above
Statto you seem to have some odd misplaced superiority complex when it comes to Fulham in that you magically expect us to beat established CL teams with a newly promoted squad. This isn't the championship and we're not one of the big boys yet. You try to use the point about playing academy playiers against me, but tell me, when do you expect to see 6 players under the age of 19 playing in a PL game? You've spent the time since your short lived hiatus from this board slagging off the club for everything imaginable, the comments you were making about the squad before the game were laughable and you seemingly topped them post game.
Our next game is the 1st August we are flying back tomorrow signings will be made then a weeks training before the game a week on Wednesday then the Celta Vigo game on the Saturday where's the problem. People on this forum just need chill and sit back and think before opening their mouths.
Quote from: Tooting legend on July 21, 2018, 11:14:21 PM
Our next game is the 1st August we are flying back tomorrow signings will be made then a weeks training before the game a week on Wednesday then the Celta Vigo game on the Saturday where's the problem. People on this forum just need chill and sit back and think before opening their mouths.
We've got the Cup of Traditions in Germany next weekend first. It's not on the website because I'm assuming we don't know who we're playing yet out of Duisburg, Bilbao and Fiorentina.
I don't think it is going ahead it was on the website now it's been taken down
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2018, 11:12:08 PM
Quote from: FFCSteve on July 21, 2018, 11:07:54 PM
I find it laughable some of the optimistic reasoning, and dismay at people getting concerned!
There were two teams on the field tonight. Did Lyon look like they didn't want to win the match? They were there to shake off the rust and gain some fitness and sharpness! Which in my mind is what we were there for.
We were awful! End of! What good came out of that game for us? Except prove were not ready!
I don't mind loosing these games, as long as we look like were in the game. And gain some of the benefits Lyon probably did.
Time is short. People get anxious and loose patience, because we are always late bringing players in!
I don't think we will fair so well having a poor first half of the season in the Premiership like we did in the Championship!
We need to hit the ground running.
dont waste your breath mate, anything other than 100% positivity will just get dismissed by the same few posters on here at the moment. what do you think this is, some kind of "forum" where you can just come on and express an opinion about FFC? Nah
I'm getting fed up of your constant whinging. It's a friendly, we lost, it looks Fabri and Mitrovic are joining, that's good. Obviously things are happening behind the scenes based on the rumours. I had this battle last summer, we aren't in a bubble and as such market forces are at play. Newcastle want to sell Mitro but need a forward as they can't go into the season with Joselu so need to sign Rondon to enable the sale to happen... same re: Fabri/ Ospina...
pre season doesnt matter, but it can do a lot. im not reading anything into it as who knows what slav or the board are looking at? fulham have gained success over two seasons by being a team with a distinct style and to quote timmy "telepathic" understanding of each other. we will not and wont have that after this preseason. that is a concern. however, we took the league by storm, created club history with a few signings in january last year so to rule late signings as too late is stupid. there is no reason to fall out just as everyone sat next to me at any game see's, feels and reacts differently. we will see what happens and some will prove to be correct but most will prove to be wrong. thats not because we have tactical geniouses amongst us. just enough chimps write shakespeare. i love everyone's different opinion, just dont likev when people take themself too serious and disregard others views. coyw.
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2018, 11:38:18 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 21, 2018, 11:11:41 PM
You've spent the time since your short lived hiatus from this board slagging off the club for everything imaginable
making sh1t up about my posts again
i have complained about the lack of transfer activity
if that is "everything imaginable" you must have a very poor imagination
getting fed up with being slagged off for moaning - mainly from other posters, not you in fairness. marcel gecov and his sock puppet wheeler dealer
if you look at my 5000+ posts you will see as many positive as negative, depending on what's happening at that particular time
and of the negative posts, i'd wager 90% of them have turned out to be justified with hindsight
You've complained about the lack of transfer activity completely ignoring the fact it's been a slow window all around. Three Prem teams haven't even made a signing yet. Our need to sign players doesn't change that fact unless you want to sign players who won't improve, or barely improve our chances of staying up. Jack Rodwell's on trial at Watford, if you just want bodies in we could always give his agent a ring.
As I said in another post, we should have at least two more starters in for the Duisburg tournament next weekend in Fabri and Mitrovic and then we should have our full squad (or close to with the odd deadline day deal to follow) for the Sampdoria and Celta Vigo games the following week, and if we don't then I'll be on the same boat you are. In the meantime we've given a lot of minutes to some of our kids who will at the least be playing for us in the Cup and be on the fringes like S. Sessegnon and O'Riley and gotten minutes into the legs of Cairney (that's already an improvement on last summer), Sessegnon etc. who'll be starting for us.
If the transfer window ended at midnight then I'd be as angry as you clearly are, but the fact is we can only go at the pace the market dictates because we don't have unlimited money. Liverpool and City can go straight in at top dollar and get the player they want, everyone below them in the food chain is more reliant on other clubs getting in replacements before they'll release a player.
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on July 21, 2018, 11:50:05 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2018, 11:38:18 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 21, 2018, 11:11:41 PM
You've spent the time since your short lived hiatus from this board slagging off the club for everything imaginable
making sh1t up about my posts again
i have complained about the lack of transfer activity
if that is "everything imaginable" you must have a very poor imagination
getting fed up with being slagged off for moaning - mainly from other posters, not you in fairness. marcel gecov and his sock puppet wheeler dealer
if you look at my 5000+ posts you will see as many positive as negative, depending on what's happening at that particular time
and of the negative posts, i'd wager 90% of them have turned out to be justified with hindsight
You've complained about the lack of transfer activity completely ignoring the fact it's been a slow window all around. Three Prem teams haven't even made a signing yet. Our need to sign players doesn't change that fact unless you want to sign players who won't improve, or barely improve our chances of staying up. Jack Rodwell's on trial at Watford, if you just want bodies in we could always give his agent a ring.
As I said in another post, we should have at least two more starters in for the Duisburg tournament next weekend in Fabri and Mitrovic and then we should have our full squad (or close to with the odd deadline day deal to follow) for the Sampdoria and Celta Vigo games the following week, and if we don't then I'll be on the same boat you are. In the meantime we've given a lot of minutes to some of our kids who will at the least be playing for us in the Cup and be on the fringes like S. Sessegnon and O'Riley and gotten minutes into the legs of Cairney (that's already an improvement on last summer), Sessegnon etc. who'll be starting for us.
If the transfer window ended at midnight then I'd be as angry as you clearly are, but the fact is we can only go at the pace the market dictates because we don't have unlimited money. Liverpool and City can go straight in at top dollar and get the player they want, everyone below them in the food chain is more reliant on other clubs getting in replacements before they'll release a player.
+1. Perfectly put.
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on July 21, 2018, 11:50:05 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2018, 11:38:18 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 21, 2018, 11:11:41 PM
You've spent the time since your short lived hiatus from this board slagging off the club for everything imaginable
making sh1t up about my posts again
i have complained about the lack of transfer activity
if that is "everything imaginable" you must have a very poor imagination
getting fed up with being slagged off for moaning - mainly from other posters, not you in fairness. marcel gecov and his sock puppet wheeler dealer
if you look at my 5000+ posts you will see as many positive as negative, depending on what's happening at that particular time
and of the negative posts, i'd wager 90% of them have turned out to be justified with hindsight
You've complained about the lack of transfer activity completely ignoring the fact it's been a slow window all around. Three Prem teams haven't even made a signing yet. Our need to sign players doesn't change that fact unless you want to sign players who won't improve, or barely improve our chances of staying up. Jack Rodwell's on trial at Watford, if you just want bodies in we could always give his agent a ring.
As I said in another post, we should have at least two more starters in for the Duisburg tournament next weekend in Fabri and Mitrovic and then we should have our full squad (or close to with the odd deadline day deal to follow) for the Sampdoria and Celta Vigo games the following week, and if we don't then I'll be on the same boat you are. In the meantime we've given a lot of minutes to some of our kids who will at the least be playing for us in the Cup and be on the fringes like S. Sessegnon and O'Riley and gotten minutes into the legs of Cairney (that's already an improvement on last summer), Sessegnon etc. who'll be starting for us.
If the transfer window ended at midnight then I'd be as angry as you clearly are, but the fact is we can only go at the pace the market dictates because we don't have unlimited money. Liverpool and City can go straight in at top dollar and get the player they want, everyone below them in the food chain is more reliant on other clubs getting in replacements before they'll release a player.
our full squad? i love what you say until that. we need a lb and a cb beyond a keeper that i dont think we need. id love a great keeper but feel betts is good enough. in fairness the more i analyise your post the less i agree with it.
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on July 22, 2018, 12:09:19 AM
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on July 21, 2018, 11:50:05 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2018, 11:38:18 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 21, 2018, 11:11:41 PM
You've spent the time since your short lived hiatus from this board slagging off the club for everything imaginable
making sh1t up about my posts again
i have complained about the lack of transfer activity
if that is "everything imaginable" you must have a very poor imagination
getting fed up with being slagged off for moaning - mainly from other posters, not you in fairness. marcel gecov and his sock puppet wheeler dealer
if you look at my 5000+ posts you will see as many positive as negative, depending on what's happening at that particular time
and of the negative posts, i'd wager 90% of them have turned out to be justified with hindsight
You've complained about the lack of transfer activity completely ignoring the fact it's been a slow window all around. Three Prem teams haven't even made a signing yet. Our need to sign players doesn't change that fact unless you want to sign players who won't improve, or barely improve our chances of staying up. Jack Rodwell's on trial at Watford, if you just want bodies in we could always give his agent a ring.
As I said in another post, we should have at least two more starters in for the Duisburg tournament next weekend in Fabri and Mitrovic and then we should have our full squad (or close to with the odd deadline day deal to follow) for the Sampdoria and Celta Vigo games the following week, and if we don't then I'll be on the same boat you are. In the meantime we've given a lot of minutes to some of our kids who will at the least be playing for us in the Cup and be on the fringes like S. Sessegnon and O'Riley and gotten minutes into the legs of Cairney (that's already an improvement on last summer), Sessegnon etc. who'll be starting for us.
If the transfer window ended at midnight then I'd be as angry as you clearly are, but the fact is we can only go at the pace the market dictates because we don't have unlimited money. Liverpool and City can go straight in at top dollar and get the player they want, everyone below them in the food chain is more reliant on other clubs getting in replacements before they'll release a player.
our full squad? i love what you say until that. we need a lb and a cb beyond a keeper that i dont think we need. id love a great keeper but feel betts is good enough. in fairness the more i analyise your post the less i agree with it.
Not sure if you've misinterpreted what I've said on the "full squad" thing, because if we didn't have close to a full squad by the time we play Sampdoria and Celta then I would be worried because we'd be in a lot of trouble. By pretty much everyone's accounts Fabri's a done deal and we're just waiting for the announcement so we're signing a Keeper regardless of your opinion on it (and we'd need to sign one at least as a back-up with Button gone because I'd rather send Rodak out on loan for him to play every week).
I've said it so many times on this forum I've lost count, I think/expect us to make 6 signings between now and August the 9th and rely on the players already at the club to provide some depth before reevaluating and adding in January depending on what we need. A Keeper (Fabri), A Centre-Back (?), A Left-Back (Targett, Augustinsson or someone else), A Back-Up DM (?), A RW (Bolasie, Malcom, Schurrle etc.) and a Striker (Mitrovic).
Today went fine. Our current "starters" -- 4+ of whom won't be starting against Palace -- held up ok against a good team for 60 mins.
Everyone knows we need more players. I'm sure management is aware of that, too. If we look bad against Celta Vigo in the final warmup match, I'll start to get more worried, and even then, it's just a friendly.
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on July 22, 2018, 12:22:11 AM
Quote from: Jonaldiniho 88 on July 22, 2018, 12:09:19 AM
Quote from: wheelerdeeler on July 21, 2018, 11:50:05 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2018, 11:38:18 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 21, 2018, 11:11:41 PM
You've spent the time since your short lived hiatus from this board slagging off the club for everything imaginable
making sh1t up about my posts again
i have complained about the lack of transfer activity
if that is "everything imaginable" you must have a very poor imagination
getting fed up with being slagged off for moaning - mainly from other posters, not you in fairness. marcel gecov and his sock puppet wheeler dealer
if you look at my 5000+ posts you will see as many positive as negative, depending on what's happening at that particular time
and of the negative posts, i'd wager 90% of them have turned out to be justified with hindsight
You've complained about the lack of transfer activity completely ignoring the fact it's been a slow window all around. Three Prem teams haven't even made a signing yet. Our need to sign players doesn't change that fact unless you want to sign players who won't improve, or barely improve our chances of staying up. Jack Rodwell's on trial at Watford, if you just want bodies in we could always give his agent a ring.
As I said in another post, we should have at least two more starters in for the Duisburg tournament next weekend in Fabri and Mitrovic and then we should have our full squad (or close to with the odd deadline day deal to follow) for the Sampdoria and Celta Vigo games the following week, and if we don't then I'll be on the same boat you are. In the meantime we've given a lot of minutes to some of our kids who will at the least be playing for us in the Cup and be on the fringes like S. Sessegnon and O'Riley and gotten minutes into the legs of Cairney (that's already an improvement on last summer), Sessegnon etc. who'll be starting for us.
If the transfer window ended at midnight then I'd be as angry as you clearly are, but the fact is we can only go at the pace the market dictates because we don't have unlimited money. Liverpool and City can go straight in at top dollar and get the player they want, everyone below them in the food chain is more reliant on other clubs getting in replacements before they'll release a player.
our full squad? i love what you say until that. we need a lb and a cb beyond a keeper that i dont think we need. id love a great keeper but feel betts is good enough. in fairness the more i analyise your post the less i agree with it.
Not sure if you've misinterpreted what I've said on the "full squad" thing, because if we didn't have close to a full squad by the time we play Sampdoria and Celta then I would be worried because we'd be in a lot of trouble. By pretty much everyone's accounts Fabri's a done deal and we're just waiting for the announcement so we're signing a Keeper regardless of your opinion on it (and we'd need to sign one at least as a back-up with Button gone because I'd rather send Rodak out on loan for him to play every week).
I've said it so many times on this forum I've lost count, I think/expect us to make 6 signings between now and August the 9th and rely on the players already at the club to provide some depth before reevaluating and adding in January depending on what we need. A Keeper (Fabri), A Centre-Back (?), A Left-Back (Targett, Augustinsson or someone else), A Back-Up DM (?), A RW (Bolasie, Malcom, Schurrle etc.) and a Striker (Mitrovic).
i probably have. not in the mood to argue. we need more in the positions you have mentioned and we seem to be strengthening our strengths imo. slavisa has proven his championship credentials. im keenly awauting to see if he can prove to be a pl manager. a few from this league have done rather well of late.
Never worry about friendlies. The team will be just fine.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on July 21, 2018, 10:58:55 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2018, 10:48:06 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on July 21, 2018, 10:35:17 PM
You're so naive it's worrying.
You think attaching high calibre players is easy? It takes time. Pre season is about fitness first and foremost.
BS. If you want to get fit you go on an exercise bike. You don't spend £100k flying the squad to Switzerland and hiring a whole hotel for a week. You go to the trouble of playing pre-season fixtures to get the team ready for competitive matches, to get them used to playing with each other. You don't achieve any of that when you send out a team half full of kids to get spanked without having an attempt on target. All we learned today is we need a lot more bodies in because those we have will get hammered by 4+ goals against 30-50% of the teams we play next year. At best today was pointless and had no effect on the team, positive or negative. At worst it was dispiriting.
Match fitness is different to fitness. The whole squad is fit. They're footballers.
We knew we needed bodies anyway. There is no point playing small teams and learning nothing. Playing high calibre teams prepares us for the challenges next season.
Nonsense.
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on July 22, 2018, 01:53:48 AM
Never worry about friendlies. The team will be just fine.
Errr what team is that then?
Quote from: Denver Fulham on July 22, 2018, 12:22:32 AM
Today went fine. Our current "starters" -- 4+ of whom won't be starting against Palace -- held up ok against a good team for 60 mins.
Everyone knows we need more players. I'm sure management is aware of that, too. If we look bad against Celta Vigo in the final warmup match, I'll start to get more worried, and even then, it's just a friendly.
In what way are these pre season games going fine? Please explain to me how they are preparing us for the imminent start of the prem season?
Quote from: Deeping_white on July 21, 2018, 10:20:58 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2018, 10:00:34 PM
Honestly what the fu@k do Macintosh and Tony Khan think they're doing?
This is just totally disrespectful to Jokanovic and the players.
At best our preseason so far has been pointless and we'll start the season having had no useful practice games. At worst it's dispiriting and we'll start the season lacking confidence and perhaps even without Jokanovic.
This has got to the point where the window has to recognised as a total fu@# up so far and it DOES have an effect. There's a reason every club spends time and money on preseason, it's not just something they do for a laugh that we can do without. It's not about patience or positivity anymore - we really are going to be f+&#ing relegated if we don't take MAJOR ACTION NOW
We played two champions league teams, with essentially two of the halves with our academy players out. No doubt you'll take the view that Joka is doing so to prove a point or because he doesn't have any players, because you've been peddling that view for weeks now, but has it ever occurred to you he's using these games to bring players up to speed slowly and blood the youth team players in to see who's able to make the step up? Lyon have a better squad than half of the premier league for Christ sake, sometimes I think you need a sense of perspective
Is the squad half full or half empty? Either way 'half' of it is missing as Statto points out as frequently and as often as it needs to be said. That being the case Jokanovic can hardly use these games to get an indication where he needs to tinker with things so the team works more smoothly. For example we don't have a striker - as many have noticed it is a department we have been lacking for quite some time now - unless your perspective is severely affected by total blindness. But not to worry, pre-season is just about going through the motions, apparently, and one wonders why we bothered to leave Motspur Park at all.
Quote from: Twig on July 22, 2018, 06:54:37 AM
Quote from: Denver Fulham on July 22, 2018, 12:22:32 AM
Today went fine. Our current "starters" -- 4+ of whom won't be starting against Palace -- held up ok against a good team for 60 mins.
Everyone knows we need more players. I'm sure management is aware of that, too. If we look bad against Celta Vigo in the final warmup match, I'll start to get more worried, and even then, it's just a friendly.
In what way are these pre season games going fine? Please explain to me how they are preparing us for the imminent start of the prem season?
We're playing tough sides, which will help prepare the players for what's to come. Playing against nobody's means you learn nothing.
Quote from: Twig on July 22, 2018, 06:52:38 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on July 21, 2018, 10:58:55 PM
Quote from: Statto on July 21, 2018, 10:48:06 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on July 21, 2018, 10:35:17 PM
You're so naive it's worrying.
You think attaching high calibre players is easy? It takes time. Pre season is about fitness first and foremost.
BS. If you want to get fit you go on an exercise bike. You don't spend £100k flying the squad to Switzerland and hiring a whole hotel for a week. You go to the trouble of playing pre-season fixtures to get the team ready for competitive matches, to get them used to playing with each other. You don't achieve any of that when you send out a team half full of kids to get spanked without having an attempt on target. All we learned today is we need a lot more bodies in because those we have will get hammered by 4+ goals against 30-50% of the teams we play next year. At best today was pointless and had no effect on the team, positive or negative. At worst it was dispiriting.
Match fitness is different to fitness. The whole squad is fit. They're footballers.
We knew we needed bodies anyway. There is no point playing small teams and learning nothing. Playing high calibre teams prepares us for the challenges next season.
Nonsense.
Naive.
This season is mirroring last seasons pre season.
That's worrying!
Whichever way you look at it, this situation is far from ideal.
Yes we are playing quality sides in these friendlies which is what we need.
But when these friendlies were arranged, surely the club and/or the manager thought that by now, we would have and should have signed more players than we have.
Because after these last two friendlies in France, it is clear that we need to strengthen positions in defence on the wing, in midfield, and up front, not forgetting the Goalkeeper slot, since Button has left.
So in actual fact we need quality starters and cover in most positions.
Plenty of rumours, but no real substance. I assume Mitro and Fabri are almost here which is reassuring.
If rumours are to be believed then we are in the market for other quality players and negotiatings are ongoing but clearly some are complicated.
What if these other deals fall through and we are left scraping with other clubs to pursued other players to join us.
It's not as though we just need two or three players which is difficult and time consuming as it is.
But we need between 6 and 8 and I include Mitro and Fabri in that.
Not an encouraging build up to the season by any means. It's been ten days since the last signing, and 18 days left to secure all targets.
How many of these will be secured for the final two friendlies.
I can only imagine that from tomorrow onwards we will see the fruit of the clubs hard work in bringing quality players in, but it doesn't leave much room for error, and it should not be like that should it, and very frustrating and demoralising for the manager.
That's that then. Not sure if we should bother turning up this season with this team. I suspect that half of the players are thinking of leaving following those two defeats and obviously the team have lost faith in Slava and he has lost the dressing room. I think unless we sign two or three top quality players in the next 24 hours we can safely say we will be relegated and the team broken up. Sad that we have come to this so soon after all the hope of the play off final.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 22, 2018, 09:56:01 AM
Whichever way you look at it, this situation is far from ideal.
Yes we are playing quality sides in these friendlies which is what we need.
But when these friendlies were arranged, surely the club and/or the manager thought that by now, we would have and should have signed more players than we have.
Because after these last two friendlies in France, it is clear that we need to strengthen positions in defence on the wing, in midfield, and up front, not forgetting the Goalkeeper slot, since Button has left.
So in actual fact we need quality starters and cover in most positions.
Plenty of rumours, but no real substance. I assume Mitro and Fabri are almost here which is reassuring.
If rumours are to be believed then we are in the market for other quality players and negotiatings are ongoing but clearly some are complicated.
What if these other deals fall through and we are left scraping with other clubs to pursued other players to join us.
It's not as though we just need two or three players which is difficult and time consuming as it is.
But we need between 6 and 8 and I include Mitro and Fabri in that.
Not an encouraging build up to the season by any means. It's been ten days since the last signing, and 18 days left to secure all targets.
How many of these will be secured for the final two friendlies.
I can only imagine that from tomorrow onwards we will see the fruit of the clubs hard work in bringing quality players in, but it doesn't leave much room for error, and it should not be like that should it, and very frustrating and demoralising for the manager.
We're basically singing from the same hymn sheet, but what I would say though is that as play off winners we are at a massive disadvantage to both Cardiff and Wolves, Cardiff were promoted 3 weeks before us and Wolves were as good as up in March.
Also for a little bit of perspective, West Ham played essentially their first team against Preston and drew 2-2, Brighton played AFC Wimbledon and lost 2-1 also with a large chunk of their first team involved.
I understand about Wolves and Cardiff, but surely the club had two plans of attack after we had secured a top six spot.
One is a working and operating agenda if we ended up in the Premier.
The other is a working and operating agenda if we stayed in the Championship.
I would call that foresight and vision. Two very important words when running a football club.
Of course we could all be raising our glasses to drink to the health of our Recruitment and Negotiating teams before the season commences, and it's happy days alround.
On the other hand it may not be that case.
But there is no harm in sensible debate, that's what Football Forums are for.
Nothing to do with Positive or Negative 👍👎 attitudes. Just realism v apathy, or is it streetwise v naivity or glass half full v glass half empty, or actuality v delusion.
Whatever happens our season depends on it.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 22, 2018, 10:21:20 AM
I understand about Wolves and Cardiff, but surely the club had two plans of attack after we had secured a top six spot.
One is a working and operating agenda if we ended up in the Premier.
The other is a working and operating agenda if we stayed in the Championship.
I would call that foresight and vision. Two very important words when running a football club.
Of course we could all be raising our glasses to drink to the health of our Recruitment and Negotiating teams before the season commences, and it's happy days alround.
On the other hand it may not be that case.
But there is no harm in sensible debate, that's what Football Forums are for.
Nothing to do with Positive or Negative 👍👎 attitudes. Just realism v apathy, or is it streetwise v nativity, or glass half full v glass half empty, or v delusion.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on July 22, 2018, 09:56:01 AM
Whichever way you look at it, this situation is far from ideal.
Yes we are playing quality sides in these friendlies which is what we need.
But when these friendlies were arranged, surely the club and/or the manager thought that by now, we would have and should have signed more players than we have.
Because after these last two friendlies in France, it is clear that we need to strengthen positions in defence on the wing, in midfield, and up front, not forgetting the Goalkeeper slot, since Button has left.
So in actual fact we need quality starters and cover in most positions.
Plenty of rumours, but no real substance. I assume Mitro and Fabri are almost here which is reassuring.
If rumours are to be believed then we are in the market for other quality players and negotiatings are ongoing but clearly some are complicated.
What if these other deals fall through and we are left scraping with other clubs to pursued other players to join us.
It's not as though we just need two or three players which is difficult and time consuming as it is.
But we need between 6 and 8 and I include Mitro and Fabri in that.
Not an encouraging build up to the season by any means. It's been ten days since the last signing, and 18 days left to secure all targets.
How many of these will be secured for the final two friendlies.
I can only imagine that from tomorrow onwards we will see the fruit of the clubs hard work in bringing quality players in, but it doesn't leave much room for error, and it should not be like that should it, and very frustrating and demoralising for the manager.
Completely agree. Did we arrange these fixtures expecting to lose an aggregate 7-0? I simply don't buy into the dismissive view of pre-season games. Building match fitness is one thing, but consolidating our strongest eleven and developing winning habits are another. How are the management team expected to do this with a chronically threadbare squad? If anything, these games have exposed our complete lack of depth. As you say, we need a MINIMUM of six players before the deadline in under three weeks - most of these starters. No, it's not panic stations yet but next week needs to be a busy one.
Quote from: Tooting legend on July 21, 2018, 10:23:20 PM
We went at half time 0-0 against a strong Lyon team then changes get made and things change its a training session. Take a chill pill Jesus, we've just made the 2 signing with more to come. Just relax. I'm seriously starting to hate the negativity on this board and it's just a preseason game. Get a bloody grip
Agree
People don't seem to understand that targeting the higher class players will mean an increase in time taken. It's easy to go to a championship club, and say we'll have your best player. Going to CL level clubs and trying to bring players in is a much tougher task.
If we end up with a weak squad come the end of the window, I'd understand the criticism, but with over 2 weeks to go, there is still time.
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You're so naive it's worrying.
You think attaching high calibre players is easy? It takes time. Pre season is about fitness first and foremost.
BS. If you want to get fit you go on an exercise bike. You don't spend £100k flying the squad to Switzerland and hiring a whole hotel for a week. You go to the trouble of playing pre-season fixtures to get the team ready for competitive matches, to get them used to playing with each other. You don't achieve any of that when you send out a team half full of kids to get spanked without having an attempt on target. All we learned today is we need a lot more bodies in because those we have will get hammered by 4+ goals against 30-50% of the teams we play next year. At best today was pointless and had no effect on the team, positive or negative. At worst it was dispiriting.
Match fitness is different to fitness. The whole squad is fit. They're footballers.
We knew we needed bodies anyway. There is no point playing small teams and learning nothing. Playing high calibre teams prepares us for the challenges next season.
Nonsense.
Naive.
So that's your favourite word right now? I understand, used to do the same myself when I was about six years old.
The squabbling on this post is absolutely appalling, so it has now been locked. If you want to act like children, please do so via PM, and don't ruin it for the others who want to contribute, and enjoy this forum.
