Made some good saves but spilled the ball a few times. Not convinced by him to be honest.
He pulled off a brilliant and brave save when one on one with a Tottenham player in the first half and a couple of decent saves later on. He wasn't at fault for any of their goals. I am reassured we have not acquired a dodgy keeper.
I thought he played well - made a few good saves, came off his line to good effect.
He didn't do anything particularly good or bad today. Better than last week, but still meh.
He was better but is obviously very dodgy.
He flapped at and spilled the ball.
He is ridiculous
Quote from: nose returns on August 18, 2018, 06:52:55 PM
He was better but is obviously very dodgy.
He flapped at and spilled the ball.
He is ridiculous
Bettinelli fan boy overreaction.
Quote from: nose returns on August 18, 2018, 06:52:55 PM
He was better but is obviously very dodgy.
He flapped at and spilled the ball.
He is ridiculous
he does look dodgy as hell. but he does at least have good positional sense (free kick aside). hes made quite a few saves where the ball has hit him without him knowing much about it. but surely rico must get a look in soon
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on August 18, 2018, 06:54:34 PM
Quote from: nose returns on August 18, 2018, 06:52:55 PM
He was better but is obviously very dodgy.
He flapped at and spilled the ball.
He is ridiculous
Bettinelli fan boy overreaction.
bet you were one of those who used to vote button for motm when he had let 4 in, because it could have been 8
Quote from: fulhamben on August 18, 2018, 06:56:47 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on August 18, 2018, 06:54:34 PM
Quote from: nose returns on August 18, 2018, 06:52:55 PM
He was better but is obviously very dodgy.
He flapped at and spilled the ball.
He is ridiculous
Bettinelli fan boy overreaction.
bet you were one of those who used to vote button for motm when he had let 4 in, because it could have been 8
Correlation unconfirmed.
He spilled the ball once but recovered very quickly. It was the 4 in front who made the costly mistakes.. When Mawson & Ream are fit I want to see a 3-5-2 , Chambers, Mawson & Ream. A lot of teams play this way. Slavisa must adapt his system to whoever we are playing. We are too predictable in our set up. The better managers & teams in the PL will soon find us out if we keep playing exactly the same in every game.
Fabri is a good keeper, was hit and miss today. Made some good saves but looked flappy at times. Doesn't deserve to be dropped for me.
Quote from: @jolslover on August 18, 2018, 07:01:48 PM
Fabri is a good keeper, was hit and miss today. Made some good saves but looked flappy at times. Doesn't deserve to be dropped for me.
Betts didn't deserve to be dropped either
Quote from: choice_of_ends on August 18, 2018, 07:03:22 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on August 18, 2018, 07:01:48 PM
Fabri is a good keeper, was hit and miss today. Made some good saves but looked flappy at times. Doesn't deserve to be dropped for me.
Betts didn't deserve to be dropped either
He did as we brought in 2 better keepers mate.
One thing I did notice today is Fabris kicking is levels ahead of Betts and I think that's why Slavisa prefers him.
Quote from: @jolslover on August 18, 2018, 07:03:56 PM
Quote from: choice_of_ends on August 18, 2018, 07:03:22 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on August 18, 2018, 07:01:48 PM
Fabri is a good keeper, was hit and miss today. Made some good saves but looked flappy at times. Doesn't deserve to be dropped for me.
Betts didn't deserve to be dropped either
He did as we brought in 2 better keepers mate.
One thing I did notice today is Fabris kicking is levels ahead of Betts and I think that's why Slavisa prefers him.
if fredericio is a better keeper, then when on gods earth is he going to show us that. and how bad is rico if he cant get a game
Quote from: @jolslover on August 18, 2018, 07:03:56 PM
Quote from: choice_of_ends on August 18, 2018, 07:03:22 PM
Quote from: @jolslover on August 18, 2018, 07:01:48 PM
Fabri is a good keeper, was hit and miss today. Made some good saves but looked flappy at times. Doesn't deserve to be dropped for me.
Betts didn't deserve to be dropped either
He did as we brought in 2 better keepers mate.
One thing I did notice today is Fabris kicking is levels ahead of Betts and I think that's why Slavisa prefers him.
Better feet....worse hands!
50/50.
Quote from: grandad on August 18, 2018, 07:01:20 PM
He spilled the ball once but recovered very quickly. It was the 4 in front who made the costly mistakes.. When Mawson & Ream are fit I want to see a 3-5-2 , Chambers, Mawson & Ream. A lot of teams play this way. Slavisa must adapt his system to whoever we are playing. We are too predictable in our set up. The better managers & teams in the PL will soon find us out if we keep playing exactly the same in every game.
Why would you want to drop MLM and keep Chambers in when MLM has been our best defender so far this season and Chambers has done a few bits of suspect defending? Without doubt MLM was MoTM today, he was everywhere making tackles and getting blocks in.
Zzzzzzzz
Same posters carrying on where they left off last week,its a wonder you lot haven't said he should have saved all three.
Well that's the scapegoat for the season sorted out for every game we lose..😱😱😱
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on August 18, 2018, 07:32:24 PM
Zzzzzzzz
Same posters carrying on where they left off last week,its a wonder you lot haven't said he should have saved all three.
Well that's the scapegoat for the season sorted out for every game we lose..😱😱😱
you cant honestly think he doesnt look dodgy. whats he had, 6 games now, and not one of them without a gaf. and you must really hate rico and betts to blindly support fred. absolutely no point in having 3 keepers, if you are going to stick with the same one no matter what he does
Quote from: fulhamben on August 18, 2018, 07:42:35 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on August 18, 2018, 07:32:24 PM
Zzzzzzzz
Same posters carrying on where they left off last week,its a wonder you lot haven't said he should have saved all three.
Well that's the scapegoat for the season sorted out for every game we lose..😱😱😱
you cant honestly think he doesnt look dodgy. whats he had, 6 games now, and not one of them without a gaf. and you must really hate rico and betts to blindly support fred. absolutely no point in having 3 keepers, if you are going to stick with the same one no matter what he does
Firstly I don't hate any of our players, I've never seen Rico play.
As for Betts its obvious Slava doesn't rate him or he wouldn't have brought the 2 keepers in,and imo only I should think unless Fabri or Rico break their legs Betts days at the club are numbered... Shame but that's the reality of football today.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on August 18, 2018, 07:51:11 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 18, 2018, 07:42:35 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on August 18, 2018, 07:32:24 PM
Zzzzzzzz
Same posters carrying on where they left off last week,its a wonder you lot haven't said he should have saved all three.
Well that's the scapegoat for the season sorted out for every game we lose..😱😱😱
you cant honestly think he doesnt look dodgy. whats he had, 6 games now, and not one of them without a gaf. and you must really hate rico and betts to blindly support fred. absolutely no point in having 3 keepers, if you are going to stick with the same one no matter what he does
Firstly I don't hate any of our players, I've never seen Rico play.
As for Betts its obvious Slava doesn't rate him or he wouldn't have brought the 2 keepers in,and imo only I should think unless Fabri or Rico break their legs Betts days at the club are numbered... Shame but that's the reality of football today.
even so, none of that negates the fact that fabricio looks dodgy, because he does.
Quote from: fulhamben on August 18, 2018, 07:54:03 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on August 18, 2018, 07:51:11 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 18, 2018, 07:42:35 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on August 18, 2018, 07:32:24 PM
Zzzzzzzz
Same posters carrying on where they left off last week,its a wonder you lot haven't said he should have saved all three.
Well that's the scapegoat for the season sorted out for every game we lose..😱😱😱
you cant honestly think he doesnt look dodgy. whats he had, 6 games now, and not one of them without a gaf. and you must really hate rico and betts to blindly support fred. absolutely no point in having 3 keepers, if you are going to stick with the same one no matter what he does
Firstly I don't hate any of our players, I've never seen Rico play.
As for Betts its obvious Slava doesn't rate him or he wouldn't have brought the 2 keepers in,and imo only I should think unless Fabri or Rico break their legs Betts days at the club are numbered... Shame but that's the reality of football today.
even so, none of that negates the fact that fabricio looks dodgy, because he does.
So did Betts on many occasions I've seen him,so have lots of top keepers,the boy at Man United is supposed to be the best,he looked like a clown at the World Cup.
We had three players not available from our back four options and we have two alternative keepers to choose from.
Also McDonald or Anguissa to play as the defensive midfielder.
Jocanovic has work to do in selecting his best defense, hope he gets it sorted sooner rather than later.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on August 18, 2018, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 18, 2018, 07:54:03 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on August 18, 2018, 07:51:11 PM
Quote from: fulhamben on August 18, 2018, 07:42:35 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on August 18, 2018, 07:32:24 PM
Zzzzzzzz
Same posters carrying on where they left off last week,its a wonder you lot haven't said he should have saved all three.
Well that's the scapegoat for the season sorted out for every game we lose..😱😱😱
you cant honestly think he doesnt look dodgy. whats he had, 6 games now, and not one of them without a gaf. and you must really hate rico and betts to blindly support fred. absolutely no point in having 3 keepers, if you are going to stick with the same one no matter what he does
Firstly I don't hate any of our players, I've never seen Rico play.
As for Betts its obvious Slava doesn't rate him or he wouldn't have brought the 2 keepers in,and imo only I should think unless Fabri or Rico break their legs Betts days at the club are numbered... Shame but that's the reality of football today.
even so, none of that negates the fact that fabricio looks dodgy, because he does.
So did Betts on many occasions I've seen him,so have lots of top keepers,the boy at Man United is supposed to be the best,he looked like a clown at the World Cup.
which is exactly why rico should be given a chance is it not?
Apparently he went into the dressingroom after the match and put his head in is hands but it slipped through
GET A LIFE SOME OF YOU
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on August 18, 2018, 07:32:24 PM
Zzzzzzzz
Same posters carrying on where they left off last week,its a wonder you lot haven't said he should have saved all three.
Well that's the scapegoat for the season sorted out for every game we lose..😱😱😱
ha ha very witty,but 1st season back in the premier league ,not meant to be negative but we will lose more than we win this season and a new team as well as fabri so paitence is needed but it's going to be a hell of a ride.
Quote from: nose returns on August 18, 2018, 06:52:55 PM
He was better but is obviously very dodgy.
He flapped at and spilled the ball.
He is ridiculous
You're ridiculous if that's your honest appraisal of his performance today.
Not at fault for any of the goals and made some good saves. A couple of handling errors, granted, but he made up for them and didn't cost us a goal.
How that equates to ridiculous is way beyond me.
Quote from: RaySmith on August 18, 2018, 06:42:05 PM
I thought he played well - made a few good saves, came off his line to good effect.
My thoughts as well. He was solid today. Played with confidence.
About Rico and Bettinelli... none of us know what they look like in training right now. Slavisa will pick the best player. He did it last year. Fabri looked confident today. Seems to be an intelligent guy who communicates well with his teammates.
He played much better this week. I don't think any of our keepers could have saved any of the goals. The whole team is still finding it's feet. We get better every week. In the latest football parlance - we go again!
Quote from: Hatch007 on August 18, 2018, 08:10:03 PM
Quote from: nose returns on August 18, 2018, 06:52:55 PM
He was better but is obviously very dodgy.
He flapped at and spilled the ball.
He is ridiculous
You're ridiculous if that's your honest appraisal of his performance today.
Not at fault for any of the goals and made some good saves. A couple of handling errors, granted, but he made up for them and didn't cost us a goal.
How that equates to ridiculous is way beyond me.
Whilst i do not go in for nonsense usually but, was is ridiculous is defending him. He made a couple of ok saves, all keepers do that but at crosses his positioning remains awful, he flapped at one nearly costing a goal, spilled another but got lucky on the bounce and generally looked nervous. If you think that was ok then your standards a set very low. The man will see us relegated for sure.
Quote from: nose returns on August 18, 2018, 08:50:53 PM
Quote from: Hatch007 on August 18, 2018, 08:10:03 PM
Quote from: nose returns on August 18, 2018, 06:52:55 PM
He was better but is obviously very dodgy.
He flapped at and spilled the ball.
He is ridiculous
You're ridiculous if that's your honest appraisal of his performance today.
Not at fault for any of the goals and made some good saves. A couple of handling errors, granted, but he made up for them and didn't cost us a goal.
How that equates to ridiculous is way beyond me.
Whilst i do not go in for nonsense usually but, was is ridiculous is defending him. He made a couple of ok saves, all keepers do that but at crosses his positioning remains awful, he flapped at one nearly costing a goal, spilled another but got lucky on the bounce and generally looked nervous. If you think that was ok then your standards a set very low. The man will see us relegated for sure.
You and FulhamBen should get a room.
The rest of us seem to have a more reasonable view. No one's saying he's perfect as far as I've read so far, my point was that you calling him ridiculous after today's performance is hard to fathom. If you don't want people to challenge your opinion, don't post.
For what's its worth I thought Betts was excellent last season and an integral component of our unbeaten run to the extent I would have started with him as no. one choice this season, fitness permitting.
Quote from: Hatch007 on August 18, 2018, 09:04:41 PM
Quote from: nose returns on August 18, 2018, 08:50:53 PM
Quote from: Hatch007 on August 18, 2018, 08:10:03 PM
Quote from: nose returns on August 18, 2018, 06:52:55 PM
He was better but is obviously very dodgy.
He flapped at and spilled the ball.
He is ridiculous
You're ridiculous if that's your honest appraisal of his performance today.
Not at fault for any of the goals and made some good saves. A couple of handling errors, granted, but he made up for them and didn't cost us a goal.
How that equates to ridiculous is way beyond me.
Whilst i do not go in for nonsense usually but, was is ridiculous is defending him. He made a couple of ok saves, all keepers do that but at crosses his positioning remains awful, he flapped at one nearly costing a goal, spilled another but got lucky on the bounce and generally looked nervous. If you think that was ok then your standards a set very low. The man will see us relegated for sure.
You and FulhamBen should get a room.
The rest of us seem to have a more reasonable view. No one's saying he's perfect as far as I've read so far, my point was that you calling him ridiculous after today's performance is hard to fathom. If you don't want people to challenge your opinion, don't post.
For what's its worth I thought Betts was excellent last season and an integral component of our unbeaten run to the extent I would have started with him as no. one choice this season, fitness permitting.
He was not at fault for the goals, he made some routine saves, he made two possibly three dreadful unforced errors that if spurs would have been on their game, would have been usually put away. He fills me with fear that i cannot recall being equalled sice we had malcom webster
Most of the new boys look good.... the goalkeeper seems to me of a quality less than last years pair.
I really don't understand it. I know we have our own views on players. But where is the thread headed - That Chambers bloke looks dodgy. He has given away the ball. In the first half he lazily gifted the ball so a Spuds players was straight through on goal but a heavy touch gave Fabric a chance to come out but got lucky with a free kick. While the keeper may have a few questions surrounding him. Betts has only just started to be fit and has shown a poor attitude in making public his dissatisfaction. The other keeper is learning English. But Chambers doesn't look the part at all. Hope he does soon because we can't keep giving the ball away as we do especially in dangerous places as he does.
I watched the champions cup games and went to the sampdoria game and the goalie is dodgy. I personally want to see Rico givena shot or bring Betts back in. Fabri flaps and doesn't seem to have any relationship with his defence. The problem is if the defence start feeling that he's dodgy they work overtime and come out of position to try to protect him more but inevitably it leads to mistakes which means the keeper will get bombarded with shots and inevitably let more in.
Am I incorrect in thinking including pre season fabri is yet to keep a clean sheet.
He look ok to me, he is a european keeper so style is completely different to betts. I thought he made some good saves and still needs to adjust like everyone else to his new back 4.
Quote from: Lighthouse on August 18, 2018, 09:27:45 PM
I really don't understand it. I know we have our own views on players. But where is the thread headed - That Chambers bloke looks dodgy. He has given away the ball. In the first half he lazily gifted the ball so a Spuds players was straight through on goal but a heavy touch gave Fabric a chance to come out but got lucky with a free kick. While the keeper may have a few questions surrounding him. Betts has only just started to be fit and has shown a poor attitude in making public his dissatisfaction. The other keeper is learning English. But Chambers doesn't look the part at all. Hope he does soon because we can't keep giving the ball away as we do especially in dangerous places as he does.
Luckily he's just keeping that RB spot warm for Mawson
I'm mostly happy with Fabri today. Dodgy he is not.
The first two goals, absolutely nothing he could do about it. Kane's little placement.. he decided to cover near post (where I hate getting beaten on), was partially blocked by the defender, and Kane wrapped it around and in. Maybe he could have stopped that one with a more aggressive stance, but again.. I'm not going to blame him for any of the goals today.
He fumbled.. ok, so he came out aggressive and bounced it against himself instead of the ground. Looked a little Benny Hill, but he recovered. Bryan called for him to cover another ball and they had a bit of a miscommunication, but he covered.
And he completely shut down the breakaway and put himself out there to get hurt right in the opening.
All in all, well done. Some work.. but I'm not replacing him with Rico of all keepers.. Rico needs confidence before facing any real games. Maybe put him in for a cup game.
Betts - well, yeah, I want to see him, and he's top quality. But the decision has been made. Betts comes in if Fabri goes Karius on us.. but I'm not sure I see that happening.
I was unsure last week but he had a great game today. When he spilled the ball he made up for it. His positioning all game was spot on.
Quote from: JoelH5 on August 19, 2018, 01:11:25 AM
I was unsure last week but he had a great game today. When he spilled the ball he made up for it. His positioning all game was spot on.
He was better than last week's fiasco, but I'm not sure why so many on this board are giving Fabri credit for doing the mere basics you'd expect of any keeper. He didn't make one save of any quality today, wasn't at fault for any of the three goals. Still had a couple flappy moments on crosses. Pretty mediocre, tbh.
Spurs scored three very good goals. The first two were pretty much unstoppable.
Quote from: Denver Fulham on August 19, 2018, 02:17:10 AM
Quote from: JoelH5 on August 19, 2018, 01:11:25 AM
I was unsure last week but he had a great game today. When he spilled the ball he made up for it. His positioning all game was spot on.
He was better than last week's fiasco, but I'm not sure why so many on this board are giving Fabri credit for doing the mere basics you'd expect of any keeper. He didn't make one save of any quality today, wasn't at fault for any of the three goals. Still had a couple flappy moments on crosses. Pretty mediocre, tbh.
He didn't make one save of any quality? Haha really? What about the save when we came out to shut their striker down? The freekick save? Ali's volley!
They may have looked easy saves to you but that's because he got his positioning correct. I berated him after last week but he looked a lot better this one.
He looked better v Spurs,work in progress.
Fabri is currently the leading Premier League goalkeeper in terms of saves. The three goals against Spurs were more or less unstoppable. Just one goal against Palace was his fault. Granted, he had some instabilities, but there was a lot of pressure caused by the our back line. So, in my understanding we rather have an issue further upfront.
Any fault with the keeper yesterday was minor in my opinion. We were beaten by a well organised team as you would expect. We did alright at times but as a team never did enough to win or draw
Quote from: choice_of_ends on August 19, 2018, 08:00:09 AM
Fabri is currently the leading Premier League goalkeeper in terms of saves.
All that stat tells you is he plays for the team that has the most shots on target against it, in other words, the worst team in the league
Quote from: Statto on August 19, 2018, 10:07:54 AM
Quote from: choice_of_ends on August 19, 2018, 08:00:09 AM
Fabri is currently the leading Premier League goalkeeper in terms of saves.
All that stat tells you is he plays for the team that has the most shots on target against it, in other words, the worst team in the league
I wouldn't say, we're the worst team. I'd rather say, we are quite dodgy defensively. And it isn't per se Fabris fault. That's why I'd like to see a double six with KMac and Anguissa to stabilise the back 4, which means either Cairney or Seri out of the starting XI.
