... but it sure feels like a loss right now.
Mitrovic giveth, Mitrovic taketh away.
Yes, but we could have actually lost it in the closing stages - and that would have been gutting.
So, an away point.
We did poorly as a defensive unit, but still any game where you gift them a goal from nothing and give away 2 stupid penalties and you still pick up a point is a huge bonus iny eyes. Love mlm but I don't like him at lb. And mitro should have come off at 80 for me, looked knackered and didn't get involved in the press. Still like I say a bonus point after all the gifts we gave them
Yes,shouldn't be throwing away a 2 goal lead in second half...Disappointing.🙅
Football finished, now Saturday night starts.
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Painful, but knew Murray would score. :016:
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really frustrating but so many positives to take from that game. 2 silly mistakes cost us the game; looked shaky at times but overall thought we played extremely well and deserved 3 points. brighton are a good side and just recently beat united there so a good result nonetheless...
On another note, seri is class above. so happy to have him here.. Also Mawson had a solid debut.
Should've been a win, but wasn't a loss... Mitro has been great for us and it looked innocuous.. it's a shame as whilst we didn't look as threatening as Brighton we definitely managed the game far better with close to 60% possession. It'll feel like a loss, but had we had Cairney, perhaps bryan as an outlet on the left and MLM and Mawson in the middle instead of odoi we probably would've scored the third. It's a test of our resilience as things didn't go how we wanted but Mitro's got four in four, schurrle two in two... Seri's still looking class.
My only gripe if I had to make one aside from the final score and not playing Bryan for Odoi would be the subs.. I didn't think Anguissa needed to be taken off, nor vietto..
Yep, very disappointing after being 2-0 with 20 mins to go. We looked very good, but are making far too many mistakes at the back - and our forwards giving away 2 penalties didn't help.
Still, we definitely have the makings of a great side. Once our defence is settled, we'll be able to kill these kinds of games off. After the international break, I reckon we'll be there.
We are far from being a strong defensive unit and we do give the ball away at times.
However it was an away point and I think that keeps us away from the bottom three.
Just leaving the stadium. We looked shattered at the end and ultimately it's what cost us. Severely missed Cairney but at the end of the day it was a good point away from home
TWO penalties and a poor mistake to give the ball away for a goal and we are disappointed that we only come away with an away draw against a side that beat Manchester United. Much to improve upon but we would all have taken an away point before the game. Frankly they should have been ahead in the first half and certainly had chances. A draw while annoying having gone two up. Will do me fine.
We are gifting possession too often. You wait till we play some of the sides with fast attackers. There are times when defenders have to do the easy thing rather than try the ambitious pass.
Another game with terrible officials. Is Murray Proberts Fantasy Football captain. Both were a disgrace.
Defence is still a worry,we can't keep a clean sheet and 9 conceded already only two worse off.
Its early days but lot of work needed,and hopefully once we get a settled defence instead of chopping and changing it will improve.
It was disappointing to let a 2-goal lead slip but in the end, net, a fair result.
Quote from: FulhamKC on September 01, 2018, 04:56:10 PM
... but it sure feels like a loss right now.
It definitely doesn't feel like a loss. You would feel even worse.
Guys
These guys just beat ManU
I thought we were going to get thrashed!
Well done Fulham
As time goes on we will tighten up and eliminate sloppy mistakes.
Onward and upward!!!
I know it's disappointing to lose a two goal lead, whether it's home or away. Specially when it was a sloppy pass, and an unnecessary penalty. But this is the challenge, the first 90mins + is the most important.
Good save from Betts for the first pen. Good see Alfie Mawson at the back getting 90 mins under his belt.
It's a precious point, they are all precious. But it is what it is. It's our first away point, let's embrace it.
It was only a couple weeks ago, both Brighton and Hove Albion put Manchester United to the sword.
We currently have 4 points more than West Ham United, with a better goal difference.
So we have a couple weeks to lick our wounds.
Mitro gave everything...
If he dont care he wouldnt be in def so late in game...I know him,he feels right now like he ruin the game..He need support right now becouse he could loose confidence and he is 4 of 4 scorer...
Our guys can play in this league. Brighton is a good team. After that game I feel like we are better than them and can keep on pushing forward.
Quote from: PartizanFC on September 01, 2018, 05:16:46 PM
Mitro gave everything...
If he dont care he wouldnt be in def so late in game...I know him,he feels right now like he ruin the game..He need support right now becouse he could loose confidence and he is 4 of 4 scorer...
I agree. There's something bigger going on then this just this result. Mitro! Mitro! Mitro!
I just want to say something to all the people slagging MLM that Betts, Fosu-Mensah, Mawson, Kmac, Zambo and Seri (Vietto, Mitro and Schuerrle too, just not in the danger area) all made similar mistakes, their mistakes however weren't punished today and on another day they could have been. Maybe an unpopular opinion, but Odoi was our most solid defensive player today: good in air, good in tackling, not many passing mistakes. Mitro made one really stupid mistake, but ran almost full 95 minutes, really giving his best and created a goal out of thin air. And I voted for Seri for motm as he made fewer mistakes than most of our players, while being great in defense and in offense.
We are giving possession away pretty regularly in dangerous positions, which is a worry. Also we never seem to have fullbacks in position when we lose the ball in transition. Both the first goal today and the Burnley goal, the fullback was nowhere to be seen. Maybe we should play them a bit more defensively
Quote from: PartizanFC on September 01, 2018, 05:16:46 PM
Mitro gave everything...
If he dont care he wouldnt be in def so late in game...I know him,he feels right now like he ruin the game..He need support right now becouse he could loose confidence and he is 4 of 4 scorer...
Mitro is Top Man, with the heart the size of a football. A 100% man always.
He has 4 precious goals to his name so soon. I have forgotten about the hand ball already.
Quote from: bornafulhamfan on September 01, 2018, 05:20:15 PM
I just want to say something to all the people slagging MLM that Betts, Fosu-Mensah, Mawson, Kmac, Zambo and Seri (Vietto, Mitro and Schuerrle too, just not in the danger area) all made similar mistakes, their mistakes however weren't punished today and on another day they could have been. Maybe an unpopular opinion, but Odoi was our most solid defensive player today: good in air, good in tackling, not many passing mistakes. Mitro made one really stupid mistake, but ran almost full 95 minutes, really giving his best and created a goal out of thin air. And I voted for Seri for motm as he made fewer mistakes than most of our players, while being great in defense and in offense.
I agree with you.
I don't understand how people are justifying the result by saying "They just beat United", If I look at our fixtures I feel Brighton, Burnley, Palace, Newcastle, Southampton, Bournemouth and Cardiff are the ones which we need to be picking up points against, I know that we did pick up a point but it should have been 3 points, we shouldn't be 2-0 up in the 65th minute and go on to draw 2-2.
Quote from: Walsh on September 01, 2018, 05:25:33 PM
I don't understand how people are justifying the result by saying "They just beat United", If I look at our fixtures I feel Brighton, Burnley, Palace, Newcastle, Southampton, Bournemouth and Cardiff are the ones which we need to be picking up points against, I know that we did pick up a point but it should have been 3 points, we shouldn't be 2-0 up in the 65th minute and go on to draw 2-2.
Yes agree,people making out that Brighton are a top 4 side because they beat Manure,Jose lot are in a bad way at moment,I think anyone would have beaten them when Brighton did imo.
Brighton are a good side at home though. A draw isn't the end of the world.
Quote from: Ordar on September 01, 2018, 05:23:16 PM
We are giving possession away pretty regularly in dangerous positions, which is a worry. Also we never seem to have fullbacks in position when we lose the ball in transition. Both the first goal today and the Burnley goal, the fullback was nowhere to be seen. Maybe we should play them a bit more defensively
We play the ball out of the back. When the ball is given up while doing this, the ball is always given away in a dangerous position. We're going to keep seeing these mistakes.
Quote from: Ordar on September 01, 2018, 05:23:16 PM
We are giving possession away pretty regularly in dangerous positions, which is a worry. Also we never seem to have fullbacks in position when we lose the ball in transition. Both the first goal today and the Burnley goal, the fullback was nowhere to be seen. Maybe we should play them a bit more defensively
Naturally it's a learning curve with basically a brand new defence, a lot of new players in the team.
We are now in the Premier League whereupon we are more likely to get punished and pay for any mistakes.
It's how we respond to these set backs.
But we have accrued points both home and away after only 4 matches.
We are finding the net. As a team we must learn to keep a clean sheet.
So these issues and incidents will happen in an unforgiving Division.
Let's not be too critical, let's think of the good points in the match, like an away point for starters.
Mitro attacked the ball as he would in the other goalmouth, an attempt to take it with the shoulder. The difference is that it wouldn't have mattered at the other end and that's what he's used to. It's down to experience and I doubt he'll make that mistake again. I won't bash him for helping out the defence.
Sorry but it is ludicrous to say that we should win against Brighton, Burnley etc in our part of the league to stay comfortable. Brighton have a gREAT home record. Burnley finished high enough last season to get into Europe. I really think fans should try and be a bit more conservative and sensible when dishing out forecasts. We were second best today but went two up and Betts saved a Pen. We gained a really good point. Let's not pretend we are close to being as good as Burnley or Brighton yet. This was Mawsons first league game for goodness sake and we have a few players injured, notably Cairney.
Thought Odoi and Mac deserve a mention. While all the praise will go to others.
switching mlm to a new position so early in the season did not help - he is still settling in this league. why not play bryan from the start - he was a sub so not injured?
It's 2 points dropped in my opinion. A 2 goal lead with 25 minutes left should be seen out.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on September 01, 2018, 05:29:08 PM
Quote from: Walsh on September 01, 2018, 05:25:33 PM
I don't understand how people are justifying the result by saying "They just beat United", If I look at our fixtures I feel Brighton, Burnley, Palace, Newcastle, Southampton, Bournemouth and Cardiff are the ones which we need to be picking up points against, I know that we did pick up a point but it should have been 3 points, we shouldn't be 2-0 up in the 65th minute and go on to draw 2-2.
Yes agree,people making out that Brighton are a top 4 side because they beat Manure,Jose lot are in a bad way at moment,I think anyone would have beaten them when Brighton did imo.
Quote from: Walsh on September 01, 2018, 05:25:33 PM
I don't understand how people are justifying the result by saying "They just beat United", If I look at our fixtures I feel Brighton, Burnley, Palace, Newcastle, Southampton, Bournemouth and Cardiff are the ones which we need to be picking up points against, I know that we did pick up a point but it should have been 3 points, we shouldn't be 2-0 up in the 65th minute and go on to draw 2-2.
We have to pick points up everywhere we go, it's naive to think we can target certain teams, because who they are, and write off results against so called bigger teams, because of who they are.
Because if we think like that, we definitely will go down.
We have to pick up points all over the shop to keep our status.
The likes of Brighton and Burnley and Huddersfield and Cardiff are not going to lie down any more than we will.
Why can't we go to Old Trafford and The Emirates and get results.
This is what makes the Premier Division what it is, and why it is so competitive.
Quote from: Pud on September 01, 2018, 05:44:16 PM
It's 2 points dropped in my opinion. A 2 goal lead with 25 minutes left should be seen out.
Not in this league. We were a tad fortunate to be where we were and not behind. It wasn't as if we were dictating the game. Frankly nobody played that well and the team were iffy. So two goals up just means we should defend but we are not a side that can defend. Our centre half was playing his first game back for months after a bad injury and had an iffy touch or three. So I think a point is about fair.
With their home record you'd take a guaranteed point before kick off, but naturally letting a two goal lead slip is disappointing. Biggest gripe for me today was playing MLM at LB rather than CB. Odoi got bullied by Murray all afternoon so I don't get his inclusion, and Bryan at LB would've allowed more control as he's a natural LB with extra pace, so I've got to blame Slav for that. Aside from that, we were very good for 60 minutes, yes Brighton had chances but other than the first penalty which shouldn't have counted owing to Murray being offside initially and trying to play the ball, how many saves did Betts actually have to make?
We know our strengths as a team, we're currently on 4 from 4 which for a brand new team is more than decent, even though it should probably be 6 from 4. We will get better and as long as we take at least a point a game on average until everyone is truly bedded in, we're going to start putting teams like Brighton to the sword quite effectively, as apart from Spurs I haven't actually seen anything overly decent from the other 3 teams we played which fills me with confidence in how we'll perform when we click compared to the other average teams in this league.
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 01, 2018, 05:51:04 PM
Quote from: Pud on September 01, 2018, 05:44:16 PM
It's 2 points dropped in my opinion. A 2 goal lead with 25 minutes left should be seen out.
Not in this league. We were a tad fortunate to be where we were and not behind. It wasn't as if we were dictating the game. Frankly nobody played that well and the team were iffy. So two goals up just means we should defend but we are not a side that can defend. Our centre half was playing his first game back for months after a bad injury and had an iffy touch or three. So I think a point is about fair.
True to a point,but it doesn't matter if we were fortunate or not to be 2 up,the fact is we were,whether it Brighton or one of the top 4,matches should be seen out from that position.
Saying that I'm happy enough with the point.Coyw.
Quote from: Walsh on September 01, 2018, 05:25:33 PM
I don't understand how people are justifying the result by saying "They just beat United", If I look at our fixtures I feel Brighton, Burnley, Palace, Newcastle, Southampton, Bournemouth and Cardiff are the ones which we need to be picking up points against, I know that we did pick up a point but it should have been 3 points, we shouldn't be 2-0 up in the 65th minute and go on to draw 2-2.
Brighton shouldnt one in your list given their last three games
Is Man U in your list?
Really enjoyed the game,a great positive performance.
Mawson starting great,but we need now a settled back line for a run of games it's interesting Chambers being benched and also Bryan dropped,slav needs to get it sorted soon!
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 01, 2018, 05:39:08 PM
Sorry but it is ludicrous to say that we should win against Brighton, Burnley etc in our part of the league to stay comfortable. Brighton have a gREAT home record. Burnley finished high enough last season to get into Europe. I really think fans should try and be a bit more conservative and sensible when dishing out forecasts. We were second best today but went two up and Betts saved a Pen. We gained a really good point. Let's not pretend we are close to being as good as Burnley or Brighton yet. This was Mawsons first league game for goodness sake and we have a few players injured, notably Cairney.
Thought Odoi and Mac deserve a mention. While all the praise will go to others.
Great post 100% with you on this one. There is no room for arrogance in this league - it is highly competitive and there is very little right to ever claim that you 'should ' beat another team (which is especially true if you are newly promoted). We are on a huge learning curve - players , manager everyone. Brighton have a6 very good manager and did well last year. They have built on that and as Lighthouse says are very difficult to beat at home but are vulnerable away from the Amex. So please can we be careful how we use the word 'should ' we may 'need ' to pick up points against various teams but ' should' win is far to above ourselves 9 we are not ,as yet, Man City ) you only have to look at the results today - should Huddersfield have got a draw at Everton and 'should' West Ham have beaten Wolves. Clearly football is not that simple and to suggest otherwise demonstrates rather a simple mind
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 01, 2018, 05:32:20 PM
Quote from: Ordar on September 01, 2018, 05:23:16 PM
We are giving possession away pretty regularly in dangerous positions, which is a worry. Also we never seem to have fullbacks in position when we lose the ball in transition. Both the first goal today and the Burnley goal, the fullback was nowhere to be seen. Maybe we should play them a bit more defensively
We play the ball out of the back. When the ball is given up while doing this, the ball is always given away in a dangerous position. We're going to keep seeing these mistakes.
If we keep giving the ball away in our third of the pitch like we did today then the top six teams will murder us.
Our performance was nothing special, we were lucky to come away with a point.
Being 2-0 though will always be disappointing. 2 avoidable errors again.
created 2 chances and scored 2 goals.
You look at the international break now and Slav will have his whole defence available to him (unless i'm forgetting something) to work on everything and settling on a first choice 4.
Defensively we weren't torn apart, the goals came from individual mistakes. I'd much prefer conceded goals to come that way instead of us looking in complete disarray as a whole defensively, wouldnt you say?
Quote from: filham on September 01, 2018, 07:14:35 PM
Quote from: Lyle from Hangeland on September 01, 2018, 05:32:20 PM
Quote from: Ordar on September 01, 2018, 05:23:16 PM
We are giving possession away pretty regularly in dangerous positions, which is a worry. Also we never seem to have fullbacks in position when we lose the ball in transition. Both the first goal today and the Burnley goal, the fullback was nowhere to be seen. Maybe we should play them a bit more defensively
We play the ball out of the back. When the ball is given up while doing this, the ball is always given away in a dangerous position. We're going to keep seeing these mistakes.
If we keep giving the ball away in our third of the pitch like we did today then the top six teams will murder us.
We aren't a top 6 side, so of course they will punish us when we make mistakes playing the way we do. That's football.
I think we should stick with a defence of Fosu-Mensah, Odoi, Mawson and Bryan for the next few games.
We'll never sort out the defence until there is some consistency.
Quote from: HV71 on September 01, 2018, 06:54:17 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on September 01, 2018, 05:39:08 PM
Sorry but it is ludicrous to say that we should win against Brighton, Burnley etc in our part of the league to stay comfortable. Brighton have a gREAT home record. Burnley finished high enough last season to get into Europe. I really think fans should try and be a bit more conservative and sensible when dishing out forecasts. We were second best today but went two up and Betts saved a Pen. We gained a really good point. Let's not pretend we are close to being as good as Burnley or Brighton yet. This was Mawsons first league game for goodness sake and we have a few players injured, notably Cairney.
Thought Odoi and Mac deserve a mention. While all the praise will go to others.
Great post 100% with you on this one. There is no room for arrogance in this league - it is highly competitive and there is very little right to ever claim that you 'should ' beat another team (which is especially true if you are newly promoted). We are on a huge learning curve - players , manager everyone. Brighton have a6 very good manager and did well last year. They have built on that and as Lighthouse says are very difficult to beat at home but are vulnerable away from the Amex. So please can we be careful how we use the word 'should ' we may 'need ' to pick up points against various teams but ' should' win is far to above ourselves 9 we are not ,as yet, Man City ) you only have to look at the results today - should Huddersfield have got a draw at Everton and 'should' West Ham have beaten Wolves. Clearly football is not that simple and to suggest otherwise demonstrates rather a simple mind
I cannot disagree with either of these posts.Brighton are a good side and we did well. Still early days yet.
Quote from: hovewhite on September 01, 2018, 06:05:43 PM
Really enjoyed the game,a great positive performance.
Mawson starting great,but we need now a settled back line for a run of games it's interesting Chambers being benched and also Bryan dropped,slav needs to get it sorted soon!
Surely, Bryan was on the bench only because of his injury last week?
Bit disappointed in our speed and tenacity Brighton were far superior chasing everyth8ng and closing us down. Still a points a point away from home in this league.
Jury,s out on Mensa doesn't show enough effort for me once when he lost the ball only jogged back and Zambo looked knackered late on
Think I agree with the majority of the posters that we can be happy right now with a point away at Brighton, just like a lot of teams below the top 6 will be happy with a draw when they come to the cottage.
However if memory serves me the last time we dropped a 2 mil lead was QPR and those two extra points would have given us automatic promotion come the end of the season. Different circumstances sure but shows the value of being able to close games from similar positions.
Wouldn't say it's panic mode and for sure mistakes cost us not skill or desire, but if this was 2 points dropped in February we'd be a lot more upset. Every point is valuable at this point, let's just hope come the final weeks of the season it's not every 3 points is needed
Of course it is disappointing - but not too much at this sage. If we do the same thing when we have an established centre back pairing then I will be concerned. As of this moment we haven't got the benefit of an established defenc - it is no ones's Fault it's just the way the cards have been dealt.
The first goal was a carbon copy of the goal V Burnley - MLM giving the ball away cheaply. We need to cut these gifts out of our overall game.
But lots to positive about - Seri's chip for Schurrle was Barca esque!
Thoughts watching the game and the past few games as well.
Betts - looks more assuring than Fabri with the high balls in the box. Good performances thus far
Fosu mensa - not entirely convinced by him. Not an effective outlet going forward. Would prefer christie for his pace. Caught out of position a couple of times
Mawson - looked alright and composed.. Slav will pick him
Odoi- Slav sees something in him. Definately not my 1st choice. He will perform alright as a stand in but never good enuf to be 1st choice for me.
MLM - should never play at LB again. Had a horrible outing today. Look lost going forward. definately better at CB
Seri- our most creative player till date. Bravo
K Mac - do not look out of depth in the premier league. Man city will be a another test.
Zambo- a bit worrying. Look very ordinary, Abit like dickson Etthu. Would prefer him to be more composing and boss the midfield.passes going astray. Hopefully he will improve, if not he could be one of the biggest flop of the transfer window given his huge price tag.
Schurrle - moments of brillance. Still feel he is unable to last the full 90 mins.but he is our best winger
Vietto- in and out of the games. Some nice touches and runs.yet he is capable of misplacing them as well. Will stick with him.
Mitro - was not in the game today. Scored a goal, thats what all stikers all paid to do.
R sess - think its the right decision to start him on the bench. Have not been on form for awhile.
Quote from: Rodshig on September 02, 2018, 01:19:48 AM
Thoughts watching the game and the past few games as well.
Betts - looks more assuring than Fabri with the high balls in the box. Good performances thus far
Fosu mensa - not entirely convinced by him. Not an effective outlet going forward. Would prefer christie for his pace. Caught out of position a couple of times
Mawson - looked alright and composed.. Slav will pick him
Odoi- Slav sees something in him. Definately not my 1st choice. He will perform alright as a stand in but never good enuf to be 1st choice for me.
MLM - should never play at LB again. Had a horrible outing today. Look lost going forward. definately better at CB
Seri- our most creative player till date. Bravo
K Mac - do not look out of depth in the premier league. Man city will be a another test.
Zambo- a bit worrying. Look very ordinary, Abit like dickson Etthu. Would prefer him to be more composing and boss the midfield.passes going astray. Hopefully he will improve, if not he could be one of the biggest flop of the transfer window given his huge price tag.
Schurrle - moments of brillance. Still feel he is unable to last the full 90 mins.but he is our best winger
Vietto- in and out of the games. Some nice touches and runs.yet he is capable of misplacing them as well. Will stick with him.
Mitro - was not in the game today. Scored a goal, thats what all stikers all paid to do.
R sess - think its the right decision to start him on the bench. Have not been on form for awhile.
For me what Odoi brings is that ability to relieve pressure when we are being pressed by beating a man and making a strong forward run and quickly turning defense into attack - he did this several times today and it's something Ream is superb at. Mawson looked solid defensively but hopeful he is capable of this too
I've seen enough of MLM to say he needs benching for the next game plus Odoi.
2 dreadful mistakes to gift two goals is enough.
Bryan in,
Chambers/Ream in
Surrendering a two goal lead will be a great starting point on the training ground leading up to the Man City game in two weeks. An away point for us and Brighton dropping two valuable home points is a plus. Although it's a bit early to start looking at the table, there are teams below us who already look like they are going to struggle up to Christmas and maybe beyond, another plus.
Quote from: Rodshig on September 02, 2018, 01:19:48 AM
Odoi- Slav sees something in him. Definately not my 1st choice. He will perform alright as a stand in but never good enuf to be 1st choice for me.
Well, one or two have already pointed pout that Denis was our best defender today. This view was endorsed on the live commentary on radio - they said exactly the same and were full of praise for him. But different views are ok, we can't all agree - but from what I hear of today, and from the performance in the Burnley game, he is deservedly first choice at the moment, and is continuing his good form from last season.
Odoi hasn't put a foot wrong so far. What's he got to do to get our love? I'm not impressed with Zambo, I think StefJo should start the next match, until Zambo gets up to speed. Put Bryan at LB, and MLM back to CB. I'd give Christie another run out, as I thought he was no worse than FM, in that position. I suppose the best back four would be Christie, Mawson, Ream and Bryan, although it would be extremely harsh on Odoi and MLM, who have both been playing well. Both should definitely be on the bench though.
Quote from: F.luke on September 01, 2018, 09:29:05 PM
Bit disappointed in our speed and tenacity Brighton were far superior chasing everyth8ng and closing us down. Still a points a point away from home in this league.
Jury,s out on Mensa doesn't show enough effort for me once when he lost the ball only jogged back and Zambo looked knackered late on
To be fair...you must have missed the one play where Timbo tracked back full speed to play the ball out.
Only Kyle Walker is faster than him. Zaha isn't even faster than him. He's still young and still learning the RB position on his 3rd team in 3 years.
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Reading the press and comments from their manager, you'd think they deserved a win and we got two very soft goals against the run of play.
It seems we get almost no respect on this league. GJ made it sound like they were flopping around like fish whenever we came anywhere near them and were constantly going to ground
