I would play something like this:
Betts
Odoi/Chambers Ream/Odoi MLM Sess
Seri Zambo Cairney
Schuerrle Mitro Vietto
I would definitely start Odoi. I'm not sure if I would rest Ream in order to get him in to full fitness or start him. In the first scenario I would try Chambers at rb(he surely can't be worse than Christie) and play Odoi at cb, in the second scenario Odoi at rb and Ream at rcb. Cardiff could be a good game for Zambo to raise his confidence so he should start too imo. Cairney if fit is than he is the first name on the teamsheat for me. The rest of the team picks itself.
Rico
Odoi Ream Mawson Sess
Seri Anguissa Cairney
Schurrle Mitro Vietto
Something like this?
Think we would be showing Cardiff too much respect if we played 5atb in all honesty.
I don't know. I can tell you that we should start those 3 midfielders and those 3 attackers. Can also tell you Rico should get a game. But the defence I have no clue.
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Re: Lineup for Cardiff
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Rico
Odoi Mawson Ream Mlm
Seri Anguissa Cairney
Schurrle Mitro Sess
It's time for Rico. Bettinelli has had a chance, and has done okay, but the defence needs sorting, and it's leaking goals with him in it.
Rico
S. Sessegnon Odoi Mawson Ream R. Sessegnon
Cairney Anguissa Seri
Schurrle Mitrovic
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 08, 2018, 12:04:11 AM
It's time for Rico. Bettinelli has had a chance, and has done okay, but the defence needs sorting, and it's leaking goals with him in it.
Rico
S. Sessegnon Odoi Mawson Ream R. Sessegnon
Cairney Anguissa Seri
Schurrle Mitrovic
Agree with experimenting with 5 at the back and Steve Sess should be given a chance now.
The rest should be closely monitored before assuring them of the first 11.
Quote from: ..FOF.. on October 08, 2018, 03:10:59 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 08, 2018, 12:04:11 AM
It's time for Rico. Bettinelli has had a chance, and has done okay, but the defence needs sorting, and it's leaking goals with him in it.
Rico
S. Sessegnon Odoi Mawson Ream R. Sessegnon
Cairney Anguissa Seri
Schurrle Mitrovic
Agree with experimenting with 5 at the back and Steve Sess should be given a chance now.
The rest should be closely monitored before assuring them of the first 11.
was hoping Steve sess would be bought on yesterday for a hapless Christie.
All of you have picked Anguissa, as one of the three in the middle. Why? He hasn't impressed me in any game so far. Bring back KMac I think. TBH, after the first two games, I don't think Seri has set the world alight, but we should keep him in a little longer, as he has played a little better than Zambo.
I think that dropping Betts would be harsh too. If he's considered to be crap, when we have tightened up the defence, than yeah. Don't single him out now as the weak link though.
Quote from: New Kid on the Block on October 08, 2018, 06:39:46 AM
All of you have picked Anguissa, as one of the three in the middle. Why? He hasn't impressed me in any game so far. Bring back KMac I think. TBH, after the first two games, I don't think Seri has set the world alight, but we should keep him in a little longer, as he has played a little better than Zambo.
I think that dropping Betts would be harsh too. If he's considered to be crap, when we have tightened up the defence, than yeah. Don't single him out now as the weak link though.
As I have already said, I see a lot of potential in Zambo and I believe that he maybe lost confidence. I don't think there is a better game to regain confidence than the game against worst team in the league. I also don't think Betts should be dropped yet, but I agree that Rico deserves a chance too.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 08, 2018, 12:04:11 AM
It's time for Rico. Bettinelli has had a chance, and has done okay, but the defence needs sorting, and it's leaking goals with him in it.
Rico
S. Sessegnon Odoi Mawson Ream R. Sessegnon
Cairney Anguissa Seri
Schurrle Mitrovic
I honestly think this is the way forward, at least for the immediate future. We have to stop leaking goals and build some confidence.
Betts
Odoi Mawson Ream Mlm
Seri Anguissa Cairney
Schurrle Mitro Sess
I'm worried about Mlm, Serri & Anguissa for the Cardiff game. It's going to be a new experience for them when it comes to the style of football.
Quote from: Wingnut on October 08, 2018, 10:00:15 AM
Betts
Odoi Mawson Ream Mlm
Seri Anguissa Cairney
Schurrle Mitro Sess
I'm worried about Mlm, Serri & Anguissa for the Cardiff game. It's going to be a new experience for them when it comes to the style of football.
I share your view and would be tempted with our old Championship midfield to get this game won
Rico
Odoi Chambers Ream Mawson Sess
McDonald Seri Cairney
Schurrle Mitrovic
Bettinelli
Odoi - Mawson - Ream
Ayite - Cainey - Anguissa - Seri - Sessegnon
Mitrovic - Kamara
I would play a 4-1-2-3 With McDonald in for Zambo, Odoi at RB & Mawson & Ream as CB´s. MLM is our only option at LB as Sess must play further up on the left. Not too sure if Cairney will be 100% so would have a punt at DLT to be on the bench if Cairney doesn´t do the 90 mins or is not available. I would stick with Betts as he can at least speak English & does not flap at the ball.
If Cairney isn't available I would try Schurrle in his place:
Bettinelli
Odoi - Chambers - Mawson - MLM
KMac
Seri Schurrle
Vietto Mitro R.Sess
Otherwise:
Bettinelli
Odoi - Chambers - Mawson - R.Sess
KMac
Seri Cairney
Vietto Mitro Schurrle
I would try Rico, but that is a bit of gamble, so maybe in match vs Liverpool
After yesterday I think I can be positive in some areas, I would go for:-
Betts
? ? ? ?
?
? Cairney
? ?
Mitrovic
Jocanovic must forget his experiment with three at the back , it was a disaster.
Quote from: filham on October 08, 2018, 12:10:35 PM
After yesterday I think I can be positive in some areas, I would go for:-
Betts
? ? ? ?
?
? Cairney
? ?
Mitrovic
Jocanovic must forget his experiment with three at the back , it was a disaster.
Positive for Bettinelli? On what basis?
And the disaster only came after we went 4 at the back.
Quote from: filham on October 08, 2018, 12:10:35 PM
After yesterday I think I can be positive in some areas, I would go for:-
Betts
? ? ? ?
?
? Cairney
? ?
Mitrovic
Jocanovic must forget his experiment with three at the back , it was a disaster.
three at the back wasn't a disaster.
What scorline is a disaster?
It doesnt matter what system you play,if you allow players to turn in your six yard box and score at the near post you are in trouble.
Quote from: west kowloon white on October 08, 2018, 01:26:45 PM
What scorline is a disaster?
the scoreline was, the tactical change was, the three at the back wasn't.
Okay- happy now.
I feel like we should give the 3-back another go. However, I'd replace Zambo with Johansen to see where he's at as a starter versus coming off the bench. He's been playing great for country. I think Seri and Zambo are too similar in their demeanor. Very relaxed, safe passing, a bit too obvious in nature - other than Seri rarely loses the ball while Zambo gets caught in possession consistently. Yes, you lose a bit of size, but what you get is a midfielder who has consistently dropped further back to help the defense and is aggressive both on and off the ball. A true box-to-box player. Not to mention, he led the team in assists last year. Just saying, we put Mitro's goal scoring on high regard, yet forget about Johansen playing a critical role in most of those goals.
I like Mawson on the right because he can have a bit more freedom to use his trusty right foot for passes into space, etc. MLM has been pretty good, and had a good match against Arsenal. I feel he is reading the game incredibly well right now. Ream closer to Sess is ideal as they have worked good together, and that puts Ream's left foot back in play. My only concern is the 3-back is easily exposed as soon as the midfield is breached, like it was consistently against Arsenal. In addition, we're not a very pacey group, so it's even more important to be in high communication.
Not super ideal, but here's my proposed lineup for a 3-back:
Betts
Mawson Ream MLM
Odoi Seri Johansen Sess
Vietto Mitro Schurrle
---
Now, my personal preference would be to run a 5-4-1. I think we need a clean sheet pretty badly, and this would be the ultimate intent. It does make it difficult to choose between having Schurrle, Sess or Vietto. All been playing well for us. I'd hate to put Sess at LB as well, so in this case I'd drop a CM and put Schurrle in the center. My worry is his stamina levels and having to deal with more tackles, etc. He's in decent form though, so considering the 5-back is more defensive minded, he'd have more freedom to get in on the attack. With Odoi and MLM overlapping, this could really allow us to build numbers, while not being caught out in transition, even against a 4-3-3, which is what Arsenal put on display against our 3-back and 4-back systems. This is also allows us to bring in any of the central midfielders in Cairney, McDonald, Johansen or Zambo, in later parts of the match.
Betts
Odoi Mawson Chambers Ream Le Marchand
Vietto Seri Schurrle Sess
Mitro
Whatever else happens I would stick with Marcus Bettinelli. Let's face it, it must be unsettling and would give any Goalkeeper the jitters playing behind a defence which produces too much uncertainty, and no depth at the back. Betts has had no protection, totally exposed, which undermines his performance.
Bringing in Rico or the man in the moon will not make any difference, especially with Rico's lack of English, if anything it will make matters worse.
It's not Betts fault, it's the system or lack of one.
Yesterday we were punished for marking zonel, well space cannot score goals but players can.
Every time Arsenal attacked in the second half, the defence opened up like the Red Sea did for Moses.
It's a shame really, because I feel we can reduced the goals against dramatically if the defence can be disciplined as a unit at the back, and as a team behind the Ball to delay the opposition.
Jok must concentrate on what every player needs to know and do when we lose possession, rather than run around like headless chickens.
Whether it's playing a sweeper behind the a flat back 4, or in front of.
Whether to pack the midfield with plenty of traffic.
We have to start with preventing damage, rather than going toe to toe with opponents.
Anything to make us hard to score against, because their are about a dozen matches before the January window, and that's 36 precious points up for grabs against all kinds of opponents, that's the reality.
Well said, Woolly.
I have to assume that Cairney will not be fit
And have to hope that after the international break Ream and Mawson will be fitter
Therefore I am minimising the changes
Betts
Mawson Ream MLM
Odoi Seri Anguissa Less
Vietto Mitro Schurrle
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 08, 2018, 01:56:16 PM
Whatever else happens I would stick with Marcus Bettinelli. Let's face it, it must be unsettling and would give any Goalkeeper the jitters playing behind a defence which produces too much uncertainty, and no depth at the back. Betts has had no protection, totally exposed, which undermines his performance.
Bringing in Rico or the man in the moon will not make any difference, especially with Rico's lack of English, if anything it will make matters worse.
It's not Betts fault, it's the system or lack of one.
Yesterday we were punished for marking zonel, well space cannot score goals but players can.
Every time Arsenal attacked in the second half, the defence opened up like the Red Sea did for Moses.
It's a shame really, because I feel we can reduced the goals against dramatically if the defence can be disciplined as a unit at the back, and as a team behind the Ball to delay the opposition.
Jok must concentrate on what every player needs to know and do when we lose possession, rather than run around like headless chickens.
Whether it's playing a sweeper behind the a flat back 4, or in front of.
Whether to pack the midfield with plenty of traffic.
We have to start with preventing damage, rather than going toe to toe with opponents.
Anything to make us hard to score against, because their are about a dozen matches before the January window, and that's 36 precious points up for grabs against all kinds of opponents, that's the reality.
People were very quick to jump on Fabri's back saying too many goals conceded per game (2.5 goals per game), couldn't Fabri be defended on the same basis that the defence is basically non-existent at present? Betts has now conceded 16 in 6 @ 2.67 goals per game.... I'm not saying he should be replaced but I don't think he has done anything particularly well that he would warrant keeping his place if either of our other goalkeepers have been playing well in training
Betts
Odoi Mawson Ream Mlm
Seri Anguissa Cairney
Schurrle Mitro Sess
Betts did make a mistake with the second goal but he also pulled off a great save just prior to that. He can't really be faulted for any of the other four. I'd stick with him for now but I do understand the argument that we are shipping too many goals so something has to change. For me the change has to be to our full backs. We need better defensive cover on the flanks and Odoi should help there. Unfortunately that means Ream and Mawson in the centre (or Chambers and Mawson but I haven't seen Chambers give one decent appearance yet). Hopefully we have Cairney back because he gets the midfield ticking better and I think he would help Zambo and Seri settle down a bit. One of Shurrle or Vietto has to drop to the bench, probably Vietto.
Quote from: FFC NY on October 08, 2018, 04:31:08 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 08, 2018, 01:56:16 PM
Whatever else happens I would stick with Marcus Bettinelli. Let's face it, it must be unsettling and would give any Goalkeeper the jitters playing behind a defence which produces too much uncertainty, and no depth at the back. Betts has had no protection, totally exposed, which undermines his performance.
Bringing in Rico or the man in the moon will not make any difference, especially with Rico's lack of English, if anything it will make matters worse.
It's not Betts fault, it's the system or lack of one.
Yesterday we were punished for marking zonel, well space cannot score goals but players can.
Every time Arsenal attacked in the second half, the defence opened up like the Red Sea did for Moses.
It's a shame really, because I feel we can reduced the goals against dramatically if the defence can be disciplined as a unit at the back, and as a team behind the Ball to delay the opposition.
Jok must concentrate on what every player needs to know and do when we lose possession, rather than run around like headless chickens.
Whether it's playing a sweeper behind the a flat back 4, or in front of.
Whether to pack the midfield with plenty of traffic.
We have to start with preventing damage, rather than going toe to toe with opponents.
Anything to make us hard to score against, because their are about a dozen matches before the January window, and that's 36 precious points up for grabs against all kinds of opponents, that's the reality.
People were very quick to jump on Fabri's back saying too many goals conceded per game (2.5 goals per game), couldn't Fabri be defended on the same basis that the defence is basically non-existent at present? Betts has now conceded 16 in 6 @ 2.67 goals per game.... I'm not saying he should be replaced but I don't think he has done anything particularly well that he would warrant keeping his place if either of our other goalkeepers have been playing well in training
Fabri could be defended for the same reasons, but he isn't because Marcus has possession of the Shirt, and possession is 9 tenths of the law in a team.
Clearly Marcus has impressed Slavisa enough in training and on the pitch, as he has impressed Gareth Southgate.
Why would jok change it again, he could be out of the Frying Pan into the Fire, and at the same time knocking Betts confidence. As for Fabri he has to find his own way of getting back, but he is going to need a lot of patience and a lot more luck.
I thought he was fortunate to start the season, on his showing thus far, and I do not see him being an upgrade.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 08, 2018, 12:32:25 PM
Quote from: filham on October 08, 2018, 12:10:35 PM
After yesterday I think I can be positive in some areas, I would go for:-
Betts
? ? ? ?
?
? Cairney
? ?
Mitrovic
Jocanovic must forget his experiment with three at the back , it was a disaster.
Positive for Bettinelli? On what basis?
And the disaster only came after we went 4 at the back.
Betts has put in good performances game after game and should not take the can back for those goals yesterday. Our right flank was wide open from the beginning of the game and presented an invitation that could not be ignored by any Arsenal player with pace. We have to shut down the routes down our flanks with strong full backs supported by wide midfielders dropping back.
Betts
Odoi - Ream - MLM - Sess
Seri - Anguissa - Cairney
Vietto - Mitro - Schurrle
If Anguissa struggles with pace of game like at the weekend then MacDonald comes on around 60 minutes.
Such a shame Bryan is injured, his experience of trips to Cardiff with BCFC would've been useful.
Quote from: filham on October 08, 2018, 06:29:59 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 08, 2018, 12:32:25 PM
Quote from: filham on October 08, 2018, 12:10:35 PM
After yesterday I think I can be positive in some areas, I would go for:-
Betts
? ? ? ?
?
? Cairney
? ?
Mitrovic
Jocanovic must forget his experiment with three at the back , it was a disaster.
Positive for Bettinelli? On what basis?
And the disaster only came after we went 4 at the back.
Betts has put in good performances game after game and should not take the can back for those goals yesterday. Our right flank was wide open from the beginning of the game and presented an invitation that could not be ignored by any Arsenal player with pace. We have to shut down the routes down our flanks with strong full backs supported by wide midfielders dropping back.
He doesn't make many mistakes, with regards to saves. But his overall distribution of the ball, and command of the defence is lacking.
I don't think we should drop him because he's been awful, but because we have Rico, a keeper who has played at the highest level for years.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 08, 2018, 10:51:45 PM
Quote from: filham on October 08, 2018, 06:29:59 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 08, 2018, 12:32:25 PM
Quote from: filham on October 08, 2018, 12:10:35 PM
After yesterday I think I can be positive in some areas, I would go for:-
Betts
? ? ? ?
?
? Cairney
? ?
Mitrovic
Jocanovic must forget his experiment with three at the back , it was a disaster.
Positive for Bettinelli? On what basis?
And the disaster only came after we went 4 at the back.
Betts has put in good performances game after game and should not take the can back for those goals yesterday. Our right flank was wide open from the beginning of the game and presented an invitation that could not be ignored by any Arsenal player with pace. We have to shut down the routes down our flanks with strong full backs supported by wide midfielders dropping back.
He doesn't make many mistakes, with regards to saves. But his overall distribution of the ball, and command of the defence is lacking.
I don't think we should drop him because he's been awful, but because we have Rico, a keeper who has played at the highest level for years.
Real.
Quote from: filham on October 08, 2018, 12:10:35 PM
After yesterday I think I can be positive in some areas, I would go for:-
Betts
? ? ? ?
?
? Cairney
? ?
Mitrovic
Jocanovic must forget his experiment with three at the back , it was a disaster.
Moving to 4 at the back seemed to confuse the FBs and made it much tougher for us to score. I think we looked better with 3 CBs. If two wingers stay back that essentially gives you 5 defenders.
Quote from: Milo on October 08, 2018, 06:33:33 PM
Betts
Odoi - Ream - MLM - Sess
Seri - Anguissa - Cairney
Vietto - Mitro - Schurrle
If Anguissa struggles with pace of game like at the weekend then MacDonald comes on around 60 minutes.
Why MacDonald. He struggled more than Anguissa. I'd rather they bring in Johanson. As someone mentioned earlier, he would be quicker of thought and less of a TALL Seri type player. More of a box to box.
It's going to have to be proven to me that MacDonald can handle the pace of the Premier League.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on October 08, 2018, 11:08:32 PM
Quote from: Milo on October 08, 2018, 06:33:33 PM
Betts
Odoi - Ream - MLM - Sess
Seri - Anguissa - Cairney
Vietto - Mitro - Schurrle
If Anguissa struggles with pace of game like at the weekend then MacDonald comes on around 60 minutes.
Why MacDonald. He struggled more than Anguissa. I'd rather they bring in Johanson. As someone mentioned earlier, he would be quicker of thought and less of a TALL Seri type player. More of a box to box.
It's going to have to be proven to me that MacDonald can handle the pace of the Premier League.
Neither Johansen or Mcdonald are good enough to be regular prem starters IMO and that's sad bcos I like them both. They achieved a lot with us last season.
If we have a three man back field, none of them can go bombing up the pitch the way Odoi does. We had a distinctive style that worked with Betts Plus 4, and the FBs made their supporting runs up the pitch and were able to transition back fast enough to get involved in the counter when it happened. But the PL has faster players. Better and more accurate passers over distance. If Odoi goes racing up, can he get back in time if he goes up like he did in the Championship? They need to rethink the distances the are willing to drift in support of the attack, because it leaves us vulnerable on defense. I'm not saying always stay home. But use more positional awareness when making those supporting runs to assure you haven't left the back door open. The Premier has better deliverers of the ball, and more overall foot speed. The midline should be like an invisible fence to FBs until we fully gel with all of the new players.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 08, 2018, 01:56:16 PM
Whatever else happens I would stick with Marcus Bettinelli. Let's face it, it must be unsettling and would give any Goalkeeper the jitters playing behind a defence which produces too much uncertainty, and no depth at the back. Betts has had no protection, totally exposed, which undermines his performance.
Bringing in Rico or the man in the moon will not make any difference, especially with Rico's lack of English, if anything it will make matters worse.
It's not Betts fault, it's the system or lack of one.
Yesterday we were punished for marking zonel, well space cannot score goals but players can.
Every time Arsenal attacked in the second half, the defence opened up like the Red Sea did for Moses.
It's a shame really, because I feel we can reduced the goals against dramatically if the defence can be disciplined as a unit at the back, and as a team behind the Ball to delay the opposition.
Jok must concentrate on what every player needs to know and do when we lose possession, rather than run around like headless chickens.
Whether it's playing a sweeper behind the a flat back 4, or in front of.
Whether to pack the midfield with plenty of traffic.
We have to start with preventing damage, rather than going toe to toe with opponents.
Anything to make us hard to score against, because their are about a dozen matches before the January window, and that's 36 precious points up for grabs against all kinds of opponents, that's the reality.
Do you not think that Rico might have learnt some English now for instance
"Clear the bloody ball away"
Just a thought
Quote from: alfie on October 09, 2018, 02:48:50 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 08, 2018, 01:56:16 PM
Whatever else happens I would stick with Marcus Bettinelli. Let's face it, it must be unsettling and would give any Goalkeeper the jitters playing behind a defence which produces too much uncertainty, and no depth at the back. Betts has had no protection, totally exposed, which undermines his performance.
Bringing in Rico or the man in the moon will not make any difference, especially with Rico's lack of English, if anything it will make matters worse.
It's not Betts fault, it's the system or lack of one.
Yesterday we were punished for marking zonel, well space cannot score goals but players can.
Every time Arsenal attacked in the second half, the defence opened up like the Red Sea did for Moses.
It's a shame really, because I feel we can reduced the goals against dramatically if the defence can be disciplined as a unit at the back, and as a team behind the Ball to delay the opposition.
Jok must concentrate on what every player needs to know and do when we lose possession, rather than run around like headless chickens.
Whether it's playing a sweeper behind the a flat back 4, or in front of.
Whether to pack the midfield with plenty of traffic.
We have to start with preventing damage, rather than going toe to toe with opponents.
Anything to make us hard to score against, because their are about a dozen matches before the January window, and that's 36 precious points up for grabs against all kinds of opponents, that's the reality.
Do you not think that Rico might have learnt some English now for instance
"Clear the bloody ball away"
Just a thought
No ! He has not mastered the Cockney accent.
Rico
Christie-Odoi-Mawson-MLM
Cairney-Anguissa-Seri
Schurrle-Mitrovic-Sessegnon
Subs: Bettinelli/Fabri, Ream, Ayite, Johansen, McDonald, AK, Vietto
Vietto and AK/Ayite to be subbed on to bring in sharp legs. McDonald/Johansen to be subbed on to cover tired midfield.
This isn't Arsenal, I'm sure Christie will adapt with Cardiff much better. Sessegnon is much better in attack than in LB.
Sess always scores against Cardiff so he has to play also I would play his brother in place of Christie.
Need a clean sheet and a different tactic I feel, what about a steady 4411 and the full backs remain more defensive.
Midfielders can interchange if needs be, eg the wings can swap over but so can Cairney and Seri. The wings can get forward but the LB and RB only support the wingers and do not leave their defensive positions.
Betts
Odoi - Mawson - Ream - Sess
Schurrle Seri - Anguissa - Vietto -
Cairney
Mitro -
my team against Cardiff
Rico
Christie Mawson Ream MLM
Anguissa Cairney Seri
Schurrle Mitro Sess
subs: Betts, Odoi, Bryan(if fit), Mawson, KMac, AK47, Vietto,
we obviously need to do something at the back and with Fosu out for a while we have to stick with Christie, I don't think he was as bad against Arsenal as some have made out.
Betts has had his chance but 8 goals in 2 games just isn't good enough, so I think its time for Rico to be given a go, otherwise why did we bring him in?
Quote from: WhiteJC on October 17, 2018, 03:10:25 PM
my team against Cardiff
Rico
Christie Mawson Ream MLM
Anguissa Cairney Seri
Schurrle Mitro Sess
subs: Betts, Odoi, Bryan(if fit), Mawson, KMac, AK47, Vietto,
we obviously need to do something at the back and with Fosu out for a while we have to stick with Christie, I don't think he was as bad against Arsenal as some have made out.
Betts has had his chance but 8 goals in 2 games just isn't good enough, so I think its time for Rico to be given a go, otherwise why did we bring him in?
Why you drop Odoi who has arguably been our best defensive player though?
Quote from: Marcel_Gecov on October 17, 2018, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: WhiteJC on October 17, 2018, 03:10:25 PM
my team against Cardiff
Rico
Christie Mawson Ream MLM
Anguissa Cairney Seri
Schurrle Mitro Sess
subs: Betts, Odoi, Bryan(if fit), Mawson, KMac, AK47, Vietto,
we obviously need to do something at the back and with Fosu out for a while we have to stick with Christie, I don't think he was as bad against Arsenal as some have made out.
Betts has had his chance but 8 goals in 2 games just isn't good enough, so I think its time for Rico to be given a go, otherwise why did we bring him in?
Why you drop Odoi who has arguably been our best defensive player though?
and put mlm at lb when he has been shocking their
I note a lot of posters calling for Ream to start. I know he is a big favorite here and he had a terrific season last year, but I question his fitness and/or ability at PL speed. Lacazette totally owned him to the tune of two scores in that Arsenal route. Hope he is properly 'fit' if he's starting.
Quote from: WindyCity on October 17, 2018, 04:36:54 PM
I note a lot of posters calling for Ream to start. I know he is a big favorite here and he had a terrific season last year, but I question his fitness and/or ability at PL speed. Lacazette totally owned him to the tune of two scores in that Arsenal route. Hope he is properly 'fit' if he's starting.
I wouldn't start him, and not that he does much wrong, but his lack of pace far negates any positives that he brings imo.
Rico
Chambers - Mawson - MLM - Sessegnon
Anguissa - Seri - Cairney
Schurrle - Mitrovic - Ayite
Honest question- do you need pace against Cardiff - or is it more down to guid and experience of what you are going to be up against?
That should be guile
This is a long thread with a lot of different suggestions, I just can't muster an opinion as all permutations in defense seem to have been tried and have generally failed.
I am intrigued to see Joconavic's selection , I just hope his team and tactics are an improvement on the last match.
The problem is encapsulated within this thread - the best starting xi is still a complete unknown.
I am very surprised to read that people are calling for Betts to give way to Rico, with no real explanation other than 'why did we bring in Rico'. Betts has, unfortunately, probably been one of our best players so far. Its not his fault that we have had such a poor, muddled start defensively.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on October 18, 2018, 08:28:50 AM
I am very surprised to read that people are calling for Betts to give way to Rico, with no real explanation other than 'why did we bring in Rico'. Betts has, unfortunately, probably been one of our best players so far. Its not his fault that we have had such a poor, muddled start defensively.
People call for Rico because he is a far superior goalkeeper.
Bettinelli has been okay, but unspectacular.
Quote from: WindyCity on October 17, 2018, 04:36:54 PM
I note a lot of posters calling for Ream to start. I know he is a big favorite here and he had a terrific season last year, but I question his fitness and/or ability at PL speed. Lacazette totally owned him to the tune of two scores in that Arsenal route. Hope he is properly 'fit' if he's starting.
Only Odoi falls into the category of a "pacey" CB. You do not need pace to be a good PL CB, but good awareness of the opposition.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 18, 2018, 09:24:29 AM
Quote from: WindyCity on October 17, 2018, 04:36:54 PM
I note a lot of posters calling for Ream to start. I know he is a big favorite here and he had a terrific season last year, but I question his fitness and/or ability at PL speed. Lacazette totally owned him to the tune of two scores in that Arsenal route. Hope he is properly 'fit' if he's starting.
Only Odoi falls into the category of a "pacey" CB. You do not need pace to be a good PL CB, but good awareness of the opposition.
that doesn't say lot for ream them, as he was destroyed by arsenal.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 18, 2018, 09:23:02 AM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on October 18, 2018, 08:28:50 AM
I am very surprised to read that people are calling for Betts to give way to Rico, with no real explanation other than 'why did we bring in Rico'. Betts has, unfortunately, probably been one of our best players so far. Its not his fault that we have had such a poor, muddled start defensively.
People call for Rico because he is a far superior goalkeeper.
Bettinelli has been okay, but unspectacular.
Where is the evidence of this superiority?
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 18, 2018, 09:23:02 AM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on October 18, 2018, 08:28:50 AM
I am very surprised to read that people are calling for Betts to give way to Rico, with no real explanation other than 'why did we bring in Rico'. Betts has, unfortunately, probably been one of our best players so far. Its not his fault that we have had such a poor, muddled start defensively.
People call for Rico because he is a far superior goalkeeper.
Bettinelli has been okay, but unspectacular.
Betts was voted MotM against both City and Arsenal on the Fulham website. Both results could have easily been worse had it not been for some of his saves.
Rico
Odoi Mawson Ream Mlm
KMac
Seri Anguissa
Schurrle Sess
Mitro
subs: Betts, Christie, Chambers, Johansen, Ayite, AK47, Vietto
Quote from: Southcoastffc on October 18, 2018, 04:03:42 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 18, 2018, 09:23:02 AM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on October 18, 2018, 08:28:50 AM
I am very surprised to read that people are calling for Betts to give way to Rico, with no real explanation other than 'why did we bring in Rico'. Betts has, unfortunately, probably been one of our best players so far. Its not his fault that we have had such a poor, muddled start defensively.
People call for Rico because he is a far superior goalkeeper.
Bettinelli has been okay, but unspectacular.
Where is the evidence of this superiority?
Look at the respective careers.
I would like to see Rico get some games, but not against Cardiff considering he's looked timid at times coming off his line. Given the Cairney news, I'd go with...
Betts
Christie Mawson MLM Sessegnon
Anguissa Seri
Ayite Schurrle Vietto
Mitrovic
Betts
Christie Anguissa Mawson Seri MLM Sessegnon
Ayite Schurrle Vietto
Mitrovic
With no Cairney, its time for the American dream.
Viva Luca de la Torre.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 19, 2018, 08:07:49 AM
With no Cairney, its time for the American dream.
Viva Luca de la Torre.
Really, I'm not intending rudeness, but your recent posts belie your handle. I don't think that you're ready to manage a PL team 😊
Quote from: Southcoastffc on October 19, 2018, 08:49:43 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 19, 2018, 08:07:49 AM
With no Cairney, its time for the American dream.
Viva Luca de la Torre.
Really, I'm not intending rudeness, but your recent posts belie your handle. I don't think that you're ready to manage a PL team 😊
Well, who else would you use?
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 19, 2018, 09:26:47 AM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on October 19, 2018, 08:49:43 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 19, 2018, 08:07:49 AM
With no Cairney, its time for the American dream.
Viva Luca de la Torre.
Really, I'm not intending rudeness, but your recent posts belie your handle. I don't think that you're ready to manage a PL team 😊
Well, who else would you use?
I would like to see Seri played more offensively and play McDonald with Anguissa in the holding role.
Personally while I feel Betts does an okay job (and he has improved a lot over the last few years) I'm just still not convinced he is a keeper that a mid table/top 10 prem team would have. After all, that's what we should be aspiring for.
I thought Fabri was thrown in the deep end and left to sink and Rico I haven't seen enough of to make a comment on if he should start. His career however is impressive.
For me it would be
GK (whoever Slav thinks trains best)
Fousa Mensa Mawson MLM Sess
Anguissa K Mac
Schurrle Seri Vietto
Mitro
The inclusion of Kmac gives us experience against Cardiff and an extra defensive set of legs to cover the back line. Get a clean sheet saturday and that will start breeding confidence.
My team;
Betts
TFM/Odoi Mawson Ream MLM
Anguissa Seri
Vietto Schurrle Sess
Mitrovic
Quote from: JakeFFC on October 19, 2018, 09:53:32 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 19, 2018, 09:26:47 AM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on October 19, 2018, 08:49:43 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 19, 2018, 08:07:49 AM
With no Cairney, its time for the American dream.
Viva Luca de la Torre.
Really, I'm not intending rudeness, but your recent posts belie your handle. I don't think that you're ready to manage a PL team 😊
Well, who else would you use?
I would like to see Seri played more offensively and play McDonald with Anguissa in the holding role.
Personally while I feel Betts does an okay job (and he has improved a lot over the last few years) I'm just still not convinced he is a keeper that a mid table/top 10 prem team would have. After all, that's what we should be aspiring for.
I thought Fabri was thrown in the deep end and left to sink and Rico I haven't seen enough of to make a comment on if he should start. His career however is impressive.
For me it would be
GK (whoever Slav thinks trains best)
Fousa Mensa Mawson MLM Sess
Anguissa K Mac
Schurrle Seri Vietto
Mitro
The inclusion of Kmac gives us experience against Cardiff and an extra defensive set of legs to cover the back line. Get a clean sheet saturday and that will start breeding confidence.
like your team, but if odoi is to be dropped from cb, then id def have him at rb. much better than chrystie or mesah
Yes a first clean sheet would do wonders for moral and confidence, especially from a keepers perspective. Man for man we have the better quality, but as we all know, it takes a good deal of application, commitment and workrate, not forgetting organisation and preparation, and a dollop of good fortune now and again to win a match, let alone trying to win playing football that is easy on the eye.
But there is no reason why winning and winning well with football that Slavisa embraces.
It's just that there is more ways than one way of winning a game, or saving a game, or just being plain hard to beat.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 19, 2018, 12:00:46 AM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on October 18, 2018, 04:03:42 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 18, 2018, 09:23:02 AM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on October 18, 2018, 08:28:50 AM
I am very surprised to read that people are calling for Betts to give way to Rico, with no real explanation other than 'why did we bring in Rico'. Betts has, unfortunately, probably been one of our best players so far. Its not his fault that we have had such a poor, muddled start defensively.
People call for Rico because he is a far superior goalkeeper.
Bettinelli has been okay, but unspectacular.
Where is the evidence of this superiority?
Look at the respective careers.
Betts also conceded 5 goals from 7 shots on target against Arsenal, if that was Fabri the vitriol against him would've been unbearable. I know he's everyone's favourite but seeing as he's not really done much in terms of stemming the flow of goals, I see no reason to not give Rico a go and seeing how he gets on.
Bettinelli
Christie, Odoi, Ream, Le Marchand
Seri, Anguissa, Johansen
Schurrle, Mitrovic, Sessegnon
Quote from: Asotosyios on October 19, 2018, 11:42:01 PM
Bettinelli
Christie, Odoi, Ream, Le Marchand
Seri, Anguissa, Johansen
Schurrle, Mitrovic, Sessegnon
Would like to see Mawson at the back, not sure that Ream is conditioned and quite ready for a game like this. Would like also to see Kevin Mac playing, as it's his kind of game with Zambo, and it's Cardiff not Liverpool, and he can handle it.
As for Vietto, I would not select him as I don't think he can make an impact in this match. It could be physically too much of a challenge, I could be wrong, just trying to be wise before the event.
We are going to have to go toe to toe at times during this match, and players have to win their own battles.
Having said that, we don't want to ge involved too much in a dog fight during this match. We can succeed by outplaying them, but they will try and get in our faces, and break play up, and we need to have the right characters on the pitch for the full 90 minutes.
Our midfield has to be solid.
This match has to be played at our tempo.
Without Cairney
Rico
Chambers - Mawson - MLM/Ream - Sessegnon
Mcdonald - Anguissa - Seri
Schurrle - Mitrovic - Ayite
Everyone saying Seri and Anguissa but will they actually play ?
Both were involved in The Africa Cup of Nations and possibly not back at the training ground until Thursday morning,
Not saying they won't start but I will be a little bit surprised if they do start.
