Italian football site INTERNEWS reporting today that Claudio Ranieri is in "pole position" to take over at Craven Cottage, a year and a half since the Italian took Leicester to the top of the Premier League.
Another site ITASPORT PRESS says "Following the 5-1 defeat by Arsenal. the position of the chief coach Slavisa Jokanovic is at risk and reports in UK press are mentioning Claudio Ranieri as the favourite to replace the Serb."
Ridiculous. I hope the Board have a little more patience.
Hit the road......
Panic at Khan HQ already!!
One of the things our owners are not is stupid. Sacking SJ at this stage would be stupid.
"Reports in the UK press" says it all!
A prime example of opportunity journalism, fake news, speculative journalism, call it what you like but you can be almost certain there is no real basis for the story.
Easily solved Joca, start winning.
he will at least tighten up our defence. not saying claudio is the answer - but our board should be forward planning and looking at potential replacements at this stage.
sorry guys - but slav will be looking over his shoulder now. we look way off the pace - i think we are even worse at the moment than our previous relegation season.
games are going by fast - see how slav does in the next 3 winnable games.
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on October 13, 2018, 10:44:45 AM
he will at least tighten up our defence. not saying claudio is the answer - but our board should be forward planning and looking at potential replacements at this stage.
sorry guys - but slav will be looking over his shoulder now. we look way off the pace - i think we are even worse at the moment than our previous relegation season.
games are going by fast - see how slav does in the next 3 winnable games.
I do believe that the next batch of 4 games are important for Slav and the club, also the Khan's will be looking for improvement.
I am convinced we will stay in the Premier League, no matter who is the manager.
Of course I hope it's Jok, as he was the manager that took us there.
In the same way I hope our Goal Keeper is Marcus, as he was the Goalkeeper who also contributed to us getting there.
The point is that despite a large investment in players. We are not just being beaten but being humiliated. Now many will look at the clubs we are playing as if they are somehow Godlike. But they really are not. Especially as we seem to be able to compete with most over at least one half and then disappear for the other.
Now I have no idea of who is a good manager or coach. But it makes sense for the club to have a contingency plan to find a new coach at some point if our results do not improve. This isn't being disloyal to Joka who has done a wonderful job in the past and as others have said just needs to start winning to ease any pressure.
Quote from: gang on October 13, 2018, 10:12:45 AM
Easily solved Joca, start winning.
A 3-0 win at Cadiff next week and we will al be backing Jocanovic again.
Garbage. Move on.
Kudos to SJ for taking this team up to the PL. He did a terrific job, and my preference would be to see him stick with the club. That said, Fulham needs to be forward thinking and proactive in this regard. Start winning some games and at the very least start showing some improvement along the way would go a long ways in helping SJ's job security. The team spent a lot of money on new players, and the return just isn't there. Sure, there have been some injuries and such, but at this point I think most Fulham fans envisioned more than 5 points at this juncture. There is nothing wrong with the club looking at possible replacement for SJ. It's important that they do so, and stay proactive. I think most winning clubs do this all the time. If we continue to see more of the same over the next 3-4 games, then, yes, it may be time to make a move, as unpleasant as it may be.
Quote from: Jack78 on October 13, 2018, 09:49:10 AM
Italian football site INTERNEWS reporting today that Claudio Ranieri is in "pole position" to take over at Craven Cottage, a year and a half since the Italian took Leicester to the top of the Premier League.
Another site ITASPORT PRESS says "Following the 5-1 defeat by Arsenal. the position of the chief coach Slavisa Jokanovic is at risk and reports in UK press are mentioning Claudio Ranieri as the favourite to replace the Serb."
Some links for these stories would be nice...
In Slav I trust.
He and the team will get it right, starting next week in Cardiff. I will be there giving them my full support, as I will every game, home and away for the rest of the year. I was one of those die hard's going week in week out when we were in Div 3, so seeing the team in the Premiership again is unbelievable, so win, lose or draw I will enjoy these good times and trust the players, coaches and management team to get it right.
Stick with the team, support them and they will achieve. Say you will and you may, say you won't and you'll fail.
Is yours half full or half empty?
COYW
Quote from: IKnowNothing on October 13, 2018, 03:58:45 PM
Garbage. Move on.
How about elaborating that comment and join the conversation
I just love some of these comments in this post like 'Garbage. Move on' as if people know how the Khan's will manage their investment.
Jokanovic is no more safer than any other manager, and, like it or not, this is a results business over popularity.
We've invested 100M, have the worst goals against in the Prem, sit 3rd from bottom, have a coach who refuses to go back to basics, and, had shuffled his back 4 more than a magicians pack of cards.
He also wants to play a system, that is not effective in the Premiership, and leaves us subject to hammering defeats like Arsenal.
I'm sorry, but logic tells me, that if we don't come away with a min of 6 points in the next 3 games, Slav, like it or not, will be in hot water.
At this point, nether he (Slav) or the Club signed a new contract, saying they'd discuss at Christmas, because he knows, that if results don't change by then, he'll be gone.
Nothing against Slav, really want him to turn this around, but, there's a simple solution.
Start winning games..
and that IS the name of the game.
Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on October 13, 2018, 06:04:21 PM
I just love some of these comments in this post like 'Garbage. Move on' as if people know how the Khan's will manage their investment.
Jokanovic is no more safer than any other manager, and, like it or not, this is a results business over popularity.
We've invested 100M, have the worst goals against in the Prem, sit 3rd from bottom, have a coach who refuses to go back to basics, and, had shuffled his back 4 more than a magicians pack of cards.
He also wants to play a system, that is not effective in the Premiership, and leaves us subject to hammering defeats like Arsenal.
I'm sorry, but logic tells me, that if we don't come away with a min of 6 points in the next 3 games, Slav, like it or not, will be in hot water.
At this point, nether he (Slav) or the Club signed a new contract, saying they'd discuss at Christmas, because he knows, that if results don't change by then, he'll be gone.
Nothing against Slav, really want him to turn this around, but, there's a simple solution.
Start winning games..
At the moment there's nothing simple about starting to win games !
I will stick with a previous post Slav is out of his depth and it is showing the season was never going to be easy but it is humiliating. A change may not be a bad thing before we get dragged in. Just look at palace last season about says it all. The only difference is Slavs been given 4 games more
Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on October 13, 2018, 06:04:21 PM
He also wants to play a system, that is not effective in the Premiership
Didn't we spend most of last season scoffing at Cardiff because they played a system that would be totally awful in the PL whereas with our beautiful football, we'd thrive?
What has happened?
Do we all now want big Sam and kick and rush?
We are playing good football and scoring goals, just being let down by a powder puff laurel and Hardy back 5
Quote from: Tooting legend on October 13, 2018, 07:15:10 PM
I will stick with a previous post Slav is out of his depth and it is showing the season was never going to be easy but it is humiliating. A change may not be a bad thing before we get dragged in. Just look at palace last season about says it all. The only difference is Slavs been given 4 games more
I don't think it's humiliating to lose to teams who've spent shedloads on players, making our 100 million , spent on needed replacements and upgrades seem paltry.
As for the manager - well, he's having to try and make a team out of a sudden influx of new players, plus with important injuries.
Look at what he's achieved with Fulham. Surely he deserves more of a chance?
But it's resuls that count in the end obviously but sacking him before he's discovered his best starting line-up, and with more fit players, could be counter productive.
Every player at the club is used to playing a certain style now, for a start.
Next three games are key.
We have Cardiff, Huddersfield and Bournemouth next up. Unless we get at least 5 points from those games Slav will unfortunately be on borrowed time and unless after that he sets the team up in a way that gives a bit more protection defensively he could be gone by Christmas. He needs to demonstrate a bit more tactically at this level for him and us to survive in the PL.
If Joka leave,Mitro will follow ...so..its not just about manager..i hope Khan dont have short memory
Feel Cardiff and Huddersfield are pivitol and minimum 4pionts are important and anything less the pressure on slav will be immense from within the club.
I rather doubt SJ has been in football for as long as he has and failed to notice how fickle the money providers and their senior mercenaries are. Of course most people with agendas get anxious when something else they cannot quite put their fingers on starts to go awry, and, instead of being certain they have identified to fault correctly, jump to conclusions about the source and its remedy. From that point onward there are complications as the real problem is compounded by their anxious and incorrect analysis. Thus far the Khans have not done so badly in serving their coaching team with what he can work with, although just how much better they could have done their jobs is a moot point and will always be so. All we can say is that SJ has delivered when it mattered. He staved off relegation; he got us into the play offs twice and won the competition once. Is this SJ's season of failure and how will the Khans know so early enough to have a chance of preventing it from happening? Can we rely on the Khans to know enough about football business to know how to find fault or will it simply be another lowest common denominator panic scapegoat cut and paste exercise complete with cheerleaders?
I do share certain concerns regarding performances and results so far, even with the mitigating circumstances involved.
Let's wait and see how many points we acrue in the next 5 to 8 matches, and then we may know if Jok has found the correct solution.
It's too early in the season to come to too many conclusions, even though I never feel confident with the clubs preseason activities and the appearance of a lack of urgency and knowledge with organisation and foresight.
Also It could all depend on whether Slavisa has the desire and the appetite to continue to work at Fulham FC in conjunction with other members of the backroom staff.
Hence the reason why he appears to be in no hurry to discuss an extended contract.
I am not quite sure if there is the ideal harmony between himself, the stats merchants and whoever is responsible for recruitment, and the numerous boxes that certain unqualified individuals think that needs ticking. ☑️
There has to be more than one reason as to why the expression on his face never seems to change long enough to read his thoughts.
It's coaches for courses. Joka may be great at coaching with minimum time on his hands. But when in the Prem we have longer between matches his style of coaching may simply not work. Just putting it out there. Time will tell but I can already hear the excuses coming from some fans in the next three games. 'Yes be we never do well against physical and direct sides'.
I think Slavisa Jokanovic is the best thing to happen at Fulham for years.Things aren't going his way at the moment but that's no reason to panic. Over the years he has brought a different brand of football to the Club. Which now runs through all the teams here. For me, losing him would be far worse than relegation.
I think it's the system at the Cottage rather than the manager (sorry head coach).
Slav had 12 players arrive more or less at the start of the season. He presumably had no imput into the players that arrived as this was done by 'the committee'. Stats men as in American football.
Injuries in key positions hasn't helped. I thought Ream and Mawson would be a good solid central defence but that hasn't had time to meld. Is the number of new foreign players not speaking English a contributing factor I wonder? Do we need an alternative up front? Only time will tell if Slav can turn it around. Hopefully he will be given the chance that's if he wants to of course. Only time will.
As an aside I have watched a few Championship games on tv and have to admit that I enjoy them more than watching the usual stuff from the Premiership.
Slav is well aware of the precariousness of his (or most other managers') position. In his interview in The Times last week he was quoted as saying "there are 2 types of manager - those who've been sacked and those who are about to be sacked". I hope, and believe, that Khan will have faith for quite a bit longer, especially as our last 2 seasons have been bad first half and good second half.
Quote from: Onefulhamboy on October 14, 2018, 01:27:27 PM
I think it's the system at the Cottage rather than the manager (sorry head coach).
Slav had 12 players arrive more or less at the start of the season. He presumably had no imput into the players that arrived as this was done by 'the committee'. Stats men as in American football.
Injuries in key positions hasn't helped. I thought Ream and Mawson would be a good solid central defence but that hasn't had time to meld. Is the number of new foreign players not speaking English a contributing factor I wonder? Do we need an alternative up front? Only time will tell if Slav can turn it around. Hopefully he will be given the chance that's if he wants to of course. Only time will.
As an aside I have watched a few Championship games on tv and have to admit that I enjoy them more than watching the usual stuff from the Premiership.
Jokanovic is part of the committee and has said publicly that he was more involved this year and happy with what was done.
Wolves signed loads of players before last years champ season and managed to integrate them ok.
I'm happy to stick with him but I see nothing wrong in the powers that be having a word to say that we're simply being naive at the moment and it's not pretty to watch is it?
Quote from: I Ronic on October 14, 2018, 12:46:20 PM
I think Slavisa Jokanovic is the best thing to happen at Fulham for years.Things aren't going his way at the moment but that's no reason to panic. Over the years he has brought a different brand of football to the Club. Which now runs through all the teams here. For me, losing him would be far worse than relegation.
'For me, losing him would be far worse than relegation'.
I find this statement really interesting. To me it is an alien concept to put a coach or any player above the club as keeping and being relegated is better than losing him and staying up is for you. I can see the good he has done but not sure I am blind to the faults he has either. No I would always say the club must stay up over and above losing any coach or player.
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 14, 2018, 02:32:57 PM
I find this statement really interesting. To me it is an alien concept to put a coach or any player above the club as keeping and being relegated is better than losing him and staying up is for you. I can see the good he has done but not sure I am blind to the faults he has either. No I would always say the club must stay up over and above losing any coach or player.
There are semantics at work once again. The best outcome for everyone is probably to resolve the issues as we are, with the Khans at the helm, with SJ, his coaches and all the players we currently have, holding their own both as a united group singing from the same hymn sheet and with a common system they are all familiar with. The worse outcome would be a repetition of the familiar activity of change (under the Khans) not affecting the outcome one little bit. In my view that is what the post by I Ronic was trying to suggest, IMO. You fix what is broke and understanding what is broke is the first stage in that process.
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 14, 2018, 02:32:57 PM
Quote from: I Ronic on October 14, 2018, 12:46:20 PM
I think Slavisa Jokanovic is the best thing to happen at Fulham for years.Things aren't going his way at the moment but that's no reason to panic. Over the years he has brought a different brand of football to the Club. Which now runs through all the teams here. For me, losing him would be far worse than relegation.
'For me, losing him would be far worse than relegation'.
I find this statement really interesting. To me it is an alien concept to put a coach or any player above the club as keeping and being relegated is better than losing him and staying up is for you. I can see the good he has done but not sure I am blind to the faults he has either. No I would always say the club must stay up over and above losing any coach or player.
We will always be at the very best a midtable club and more likely than not struggle to stay in this league. Slavisa wants his team to play football the way it's meant to be played. He's having a tough time but he, along with the Khans are the perfect team to break that cycle. Sahid Khan is ambitiousis. He has the money if it's spent wisely. I can't think of another Fulham manager who promotes youth from within I do believe he could be a great manager.
Ironic that Slav has not had the same line up in a match and then the press say this about "The Tinkerman" who does the same.
Give Slav a chance its the premier league it was never going to be easy.
For me to sack him so soon would not make a difference.
The players don't seem to be at that standard Yet.
Quote from: I Ronic on October 14, 2018, 03:04:07 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 14, 2018, 02:32:57 PM
Quote from: I Ronic on October 14, 2018, 12:46:20 PM
I think Slavisa Jokanovic is the best thing to happen at Fulham for years.Things aren't going his way at the moment but that's no reason to panic. Over the years he has brought a different brand of football to the Club. Which now runs through all the teams here. For me, losing him would be far worse than relegation.
'For me, losing him would be far worse than relegation'.
I find this statement really interesting. To me it is an alien concept to put a coach or any player above the club as keeping and being relegated is better than losing him and staying up is for you. I can see the good he has done but not sure I am blind to the faults he has either. No I would always say the club must stay up over and above losing any coach or player.
We will always be at the very best a midtable club and more likely than not struggle to stay in this league. Slavisa wants his team to play football the way it's meant to be played. He's having a tough time but he, along with the Khans are the perfect team to break that cycle. Sahid Khan is ambitiousis. He has the money if it's spent wisely. I can't think of another Fulham manager who promotes youth from within I do believe he could be a great manager.
I am sure that most people thought Leicester were just a mid table club.
Quote from: alfie on October 14, 2018, 07:48:23 PM
Quote from: I Ronic on October 14, 2018, 03:04:07 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 14, 2018, 02:32:57 PM
Quote from: I Ronic on October 14, 2018, 12:46:20 PM
I think Slavisa Jokanovic is the best thing to happen at Fulham for years.Things aren't going his way at the moment but that's no reason to panic. Over the years he has brought a different brand of football to the Club. Which now runs through all the teams here. For me, losing him would be far worse than relegation.
'For me, losing him would be far worse than relegation'.
I find this statement really interesting. To me it is an alien concept to put a coach or any player above the club as keeping and being relegated is better than losing him and staying up is for you. I can see the good he has done but not sure I am blind to the faults he has either. No I would always say the club must stay up over and above losing any coach or player.
We will always be at the very best a midtable club and more likely than not struggle to stay in this league. Slavisa wants his team to play football the way it's meant to be played. He's having a tough time but he, along with the Khans are the perfect team to break that cycle. Sahid Khan is ambitiousis. He has the money if it's spent wisely. I can't think of another Fulham manager who promotes youth from within I do believe he could be a great manager.
I am sure that most people thought Leicester were just a mid table club.
They are but got lucky in a season where circumstance, teams rebuilding and plenty of fortune allowed them to win the title once. They will never get close again unless luck and circumstance happen to be on their side. But let's not pretends they were ever more than a one season wonder.
Leicesters achieving that title was magnificent.
Can't see it happening again.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 13, 2018, 02:06:15 PM
I am convinced we will stay in the Premier League, no matter who is the manager.
Of course I hope it's Jok, as he was the manager that took us there.
In the same way I hope our Goal Keeper is Marcus, as he was the Goalkeeper who also contributed to us getting there.
Case of blind loyalty. Respect what they did in the past, but don't be blind to the present.
Quote from: alfie on October 14, 2018, 07:48:23 PM
Quote from: I Ronic on October 14, 2018, 03:04:07 PM
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 14, 2018, 02:32:57 PM
Quote from: I Ronic on October 14, 2018, 12:46:20 PM
I think Slavisa Jokanovic is the best thing to happen at Fulham for years.Things aren't going his way at the moment but that's no reason to panic. Over the years he has brought a different brand of football to the Club. Which now runs through all the teams here. For me, losing him would be far worse than relegation.
'For me, losing him would be far worse than relegation'.
I find this statement really interesting. To me it is an alien concept to put a coach or any player above the club as keeping and being relegated is better than losing him and staying up is for you. I can see the good he has done but not sure I am blind to the faults he has either. No I would always say the club must stay up over and above losing any coach or player.
We will always be at the very best a midtable club and more likely than not struggle to stay in this league. Slavisa wants his team to play football the way it's meant to be played. He's having a tough time but he, along with the Khans are the perfect team to break that cycle. Sahid Khan is ambitiousis. He has the money if it's spent wisely. I can't think of another Fulham manager who promotes youth from within I do believe he could be a great manager.
I am sure that most people thought Leicester were just a mid table club.
Which they still are
14/15 14th
15/16 12th
16/17 1st
17/18 9th
18/19 10th atm
Everyone can see it was a great achievement by them, but its also a once in maybe 25 years win. And they have done well to still be a mid table team in a bloody hard league.
A former Fulham Legend once described Fulham as 'a nice club, a social club'. He also said we were 'never a serious championship challenging club'. He went on to manage Ipswich Town and for nine seasons in the top flight they finished lower than sixth only once. He said of himself 'In all my time as a footballer, I didn't win a thing'. That was, of course, Sir Bobby Robson.
Success is a funny thing because we each have our own measures of what it means as compared to what the mass media may want you to make it mean. Leicester's title win may be priceless to the romantic but a 'fluke' to the cynic. The cynic will, of course, believe there are clubs entitled to win everything because they are 'big', 'rich', 'popular'. and 'have all the best players'. Was MAF a romantic or a cynic? Are the Khans romantics or cynics?
If the Leicester situation cannot be repeated more often than once in a generation then what on earth have we done to football and competition?
Quote from: toshes mate on October 15, 2018, 09:30:46 AM
A former Fulham Legend once described Fulham as 'a nice club, a social club'. He also said we were 'never a serious championship challenging club'. He went on to manage Ipswich Town and for nine seasons in the top flight they finished lower than sixth only once. He said of himself 'In all my time as a footballer, I didn't win a thing'. That was, of course, Sir Bobby Robson.
Success is a funny thing because we each have our own measures of what it means as compared to what the mass media may want you to make it mean. Leicester's title win may be priceless to the romantic but a 'fluke' to the cynic. The cynic will, of course, believe there are clubs entitled to win everything because they are 'big', 'rich', 'popular'. and 'have all the best players'. Was MAF a romantic or a cynic? Are the Khans romantics or cynics?
If the Leicester situation cannot be repeated more often than once in a generation then what on earth have we done to football and competition?
You can say that again, spot on.
Quote from: toshes mate on October 15, 2018, 09:30:46 AM
A former Fulham Legend once described Fulham as 'a nice club, a social club'. He also said we were 'never a serious championship challenging club'. He went on to manage Ipswich Town and for nine seasons in the top flight they finished lower than sixth only once. He said of himself 'In all my time as a footballer, I didn't win a thing'. That was, of course, Sir Bobby Robson.
Success is a funny thing because we each have our own measures of what it means as compared to what the mass media may want you to make it mean. Leicester's title win may be priceless to the romantic but a 'fluke' to the cynic. The cynic will, of course, believe there are clubs entitled to win everything because they are 'big', 'rich', 'popular'. and 'have all the best players'. Was MAF a romantic or a cynic? Are the Khans romantics or cynics?
If the Leicester situation cannot be repeated more often than once in a generation then what on earth have we done to football and competition?
Well when you look at tghe list of all PL winners in the last 26 years you get this...
Manchester United
Manchester United
Blackburn Rovers
Manchester United
Manchester United
Arsenal
Manchester United
Manchester United
Manchester United
Arsenal
Manchester United
Arsenal
Chelsea
Chelsea
Manchester United
Manchester United
Manchester United
Chelsea
Manchester United
Manchester City
Manchester United
Manchester City
Chelsea
Leicester City
Chelsea
Manchester City
We all know why Blackburn won, so yes it looks like it is one in a generation.
Quote from: MJG on October 15, 2018, 08:52:00 AM
Quote from: alfie on October 14, 2018, 07:48:23 PM
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Quote from: Lighthouse on October 14, 2018, 02:32:57 PM
Quote from: I Ronic on October 14, 2018, 12:46:20 PM
I think Slavisa Jokanovic is the best thing to happen at Fulham for years.Things aren't going his way at the moment but that's no reason to panic. Over the years he has brought a different brand of football to the Club. Which now runs through all the teams here. For me, losing him would be far worse than relegation.
'For me, losing him would be far worse than relegation'.
I find this statement really interesting. To me it is an alien concept to put a coach or any player above the club as keeping and being relegated is better than losing him and staying up is for you. I can see the good he has done but not sure I am blind to the faults he has either. No I would always say the club must stay up over and above losing any coach or player.
We will always be at the very best a midtable club and more likely than not struggle to stay in this league. Slavisa wants his team to play football the way it's meant to be played. He's having a tough time but he, along with the Khans are the perfect team to break that cycle. Sahid Khan is ambitiousis. He has the money if it's spent wisely. I can't think of another Fulham manager who promotes youth from within I do believe he could be a great manager.
I am sure that most people thought Leicester were just a mid table club.
Which they still are
14/15 14th
15/16 12th
16/17 1st
17/18 9th
18/19 10th atm
Everyone can see it was a great achievement by them, but its also a once in maybe 25 years win. And they have done well to still be a mid table team in a bloody hard league.
But it just goes to show what can happen if things go your way, so the moral here is never give up, when things aren't going your way
I may moan on here a lot but I do not expect to win the league any time soon.
But nor do I accept there should be any kind of ceiling on what you can achieve long-term.
From 1997 - 2010 obviously we got promoted 3 times but we also transitioned in the PL years from consistent relegation favourites to a decent mid-table or even top half team. Unfortunately that was never consolidated, with both MAF and Khan to blame for it slipping away IMO.
Spurs are an example, whilst admittedly always a bigger club than us, of a team that used mid-table finishes through the 90s and early 2000s as a platform to become consistent title challengers today.
I think that is achievable for us if we give it the same amount of time (although it may mean we outgrow the cottage in a decade or two).
For me in the short-term it's just about making small steps such that you can always look at yourselves 2-3 years ago and say, we'd beat that team now.
Quote from: Statto on October 15, 2018, 11:28:43 AM
For me in the short-term it's just about making small steps
As my old mate Mao Zedong used to say, 'Every journey begins with a single step'. It just helps if it's in the direction you're travelling...
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Quote from: MJG on October 15, 2018, 08:52:00 AM
Quote from: alfie on October 14, 2018, 07:48:23 PM
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Quote from: Lighthouse on October 14, 2018, 02:32:57 PM
Quote from: I Ronic on October 14, 2018, 12:46:20 PM
I think Slavisa Jokanovic is the best thing to happen at Fulham for years.Things aren't going his way at the moment but that's no reason to panic. Over the years he has brought a different brand of football to the Club. Which now runs through all the teams here. For me, losing him would be far worse than relegation.
'For me, losing him would be far worse than relegation'.
I find this statement really interesting. To me it is an alien concept to put a coach or any player above the club as keeping and being relegated is better than losing him and staying up is for you. I can see the good he has done but not sure I am blind to the faults he has either. No I would always say the club must stay up over and above losing any coach or player.
We will always be at the very best a midtable club and more likely than not struggle to stay in this league. Slavisa wants his team to play football the way it's meant to be played. He's having a tough time but he, along with the Khans are the perfect team to break that cycle. Sahid Khan is ambitiousis. He has the money if it's spent wisely. I can't think of another Fulham manager who promotes youth from within I do believe he could be a great manager.
I am sure that most people thought Leicester were just a mid table club.
Which they still are
14/15 14th
15/16 12th
16/17 1st
17/18 9th
18/19 10th atm
Everyone can see it was a great achievement by them, but its also a once in maybe 25 years win. And they have done well to still be a mid table team in a bloody hard league.
But it just goes to show what can happen if things go your way, so the moral here is never give up, when things aren't going your way
Of course and anything can happen and I hope it does, its just unlikely
Before the advent of the Prem in 1992, the championship was more evenly shared out, and most clubs could think they had at a least a chance of winning it, with Leeds, Derby, Forest, Everton, and Villa winning it fairly recent times, and if you go back to around 1960 - Spurs, Ipswich , Burnley and Wolves.
But the Prem , with the Sky money and worldwide promotion it attracted, brought in the massive money from abroad, which has mainly been for a select few clubs - who are have become exclusive, a league within a league..
for what it is worth this is my opinion.
slava has to be given a lot longer to gt the team right. i see more positives than negatives but the prem is unforgiving and the next half dozen or so games will be interesting and then we can see where we are....
ranieri. i am less than a fan and think he is not all that. however at leicester, he was the right man at the right time in the right place, it sometimes happens like that and good luck to him for the title. but seriously he was lucky and his expertise would more likely see us get worse.
i think slava is the right man and he will come good. I am disappointed with our start as we all are but hey ho that is the nature of thing. we started slow last season and we need to remember that.
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Before the advent of the Prem in 1992, the championship was more evenly shared out, and most clubs could think they had at a least a chance of winning it, with Leeds, Derby, Forest, Everton, and Villa winning it fairly recent times, and if you go back to around 1960 - Spurs, Ipswich , Burnley and Wolves.
But the Prem , with the Sky money and worldwide promotion it attracted, brought in the massive money from abroad, which has mainly been for a select few clubs - who are have become exclusive, a league within a league..
I've broken down the winners into ten year chunks, so listed below is the number of teams that have won the league
2009-2018: 4 teams
1999-2008: 3 teams
1989-1998: 5 teams
1979-1988: 3 teams
1969-1978: 6 teams
1959-1968: 8 teams
1949-1958: 6 teams
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I think Slavisa Jokanovic is the best thing to happen at Fulham for years.Things aren't going his way at the moment but that's no reason to panic. Over the years he has brought a different brand of football to the Club. Which now runs through all the teams here. For me, losing him would be far worse than relegation.
'For me, losing him would be far worse than relegation'.
I find this statement really interesting. To me it is an alien concept to put a coach or any player above the club as keeping and being relegated is better than losing him and staying up is for you. I can see the good he has done but not sure I am blind to the faults he has either. No I would always say the club must stay up over and above losing any coach or player.
We will always be at the very best a midtable club and more likely than not struggle to stay in this league. Slavisa wants his team to play football the way it's meant to be played. He's having a tough time but he, along with the Khans are the perfect team to break that cycle. Sahid Khan is ambitiousis. He has the money if it's spent wisely. I can't think of another Fulham manager who promotes youth from within I do believe he could be a great manager.
I am sure that most people thought Leicester were just a mid table club.
Which they still are
14/15 14th
15/16 12th
16/17 1st
17/18 9th
18/19 10th atm
Everyone can see it was a great achievement by them, but its also a once in maybe 25 years win. And they have done well to still be a mid table team in a bloody hard league.
But it just goes to show what can happen if things go your way, so the moral here is never give up, when things aren't going your way
Precisely
Everyone has their own opinion of viewing progress, and mine is this.
Yes, it would be nice to get plenty of points out of the next 3 games, but it is not imperative, and doesn't mean either way that we will be relegated or stay up on the back of these games.
To me, any talk of the Cardiff game for example being 'must win' is as panic ridden as when Magath was tasked with 'saving our Premier League place', when Meulensteen was just starting to work things out imho.
All this talk of pressure should be put to one side until January as far as I am concerned, as that would be a much more sensible way to measure the potential of Slav in the Premier League.
It is just my opinion, and I may be wrong, but talking about a progressive manager's future after 8 games, when we are not even in the bottom 3, let alone cast adrift, is ludicrous.
I happen to be enjoying our challenge at the moment and believe we can gradually turn it round, but it will take a lot longer than people seem to think - and short termism in the form of a desperate change of manager is not the answer for me.
FWIW I would be surprised and disappointed if Tony Khan felt any different.
I absolutely love Slavisa, but I have to take off the rosy eyed specs and admit that we need to pick up a win over the next three games. Cardiff away will not be an easy game, they played well against Spurs. But we need to at the very least get a point and to play well.
We need to take defending seriously, as at the moment it's been amateurish. We can definitely win there if we defend as a unit.
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on October 15, 2018, 04:58:10 PM
I absolutely love Slavisa, but I have to take off the rosy eyed specs and admit that we need to pick up a win over the next three games. Cardiff away will not be an easy game, they played well against Spurs. But we need to at the very least get a point and to play well.
We need to take defending seriously, as at the moment it's been amateurish. We can definitely win there if we defend as a unit.
I feel the same but I want what is best for FFC so if it means Joka is shown the door due to his inability to turn things around then so be it after all he is showing that he wont commit himself to the club as he is still to sign a new contract
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Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on October 15, 2018, 04:58:10 PM
I absolutely love Slavisa, but I have to take off the rosy eyed specs and admit that we need to pick up a win over the next three games. Cardiff away will not be an easy game, they played well against Spurs. But we need to at the very least get a point and to play well.
We need to take defending seriously, as at the moment it's been amateurish. We can definitely win there if we defend as a unit.
I feel the same but I want what is best for FFC so if it means Joka is shown the door due to his inability to turn things around then so be it after all he is showing that he wont commit himself to the club as he is still to sign a new contract
Has he been offered one?
Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on October 13, 2018, 06:04:21 PM
I just love some of these comments in this post like 'Garbage. Move on' as if people know how the Khan's will manage their investment.
Jokanovic is no more safer than any other manager, and, like it or not, this is a results business over popularity.
We've invested 100M, have the worst goals against in the Prem, sit 3rd from bottom, have a coach who refuses to go back to basics, and, had shuffled his back 4 more than a magicians pack of cards.
He also wants to play a system, that is not effective in the Premiership, and leaves us subject to hammering defeats like Arsenal.
I'm sorry, but logic tells me, that if we don't come away with a min of 6 points in the next 3 games, Slav, like it or not, will be in hot water.
At this point, nether he (Slav) or the Club signed a new contract, saying they'd discuss at Christmas, because he knows, that if results don't change by then, he'll be gone.
Nothing against Slav, really want him to turn this around, but, there's a simple solution.
Start winning games..
Couldn't put it any better. The Board have to be considering alternatives in case there is no improvement in results
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Quote from: Jimsbeerbelly on October 13, 2018, 06:04:21 PM
I just love some of these comments in this post like 'Garbage. Move on' as if people know how the Khan's will manage their investment.
Jokanovic is no more safer than any other manager, and, like it or not, this is a results business over popularity.
We've invested 100M, have the worst goals against in the Prem, sit 3rd from bottom, have a coach who refuses to go back to basics, and, had shuffled his back 4 more than a magicians pack of cards.
He also wants to play a system, that is not effective in the Premiership, and leaves us subject to hammering defeats like Arsenal.
I'm sorry, but logic tells me, that if we don't come away with a min of 6 points in the next 3 games, Slav, like it or not, will be in hot water.
At this point, nether he (Slav) or the Club signed a new contract, saying they'd discuss at Christmas, because he knows, that if results don't change by then, he'll be gone.
Nothing against Slav, really want him to turn this around, but, there's a simple solution.
Start winning games..
Couldn't put it any better. The Board have to be considering alternatives in case there is no improvement in results
and the Khans now know how much relegations costs and how hard it is to get back up
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I absolutely love Slavisa, but I have to take off the rosy eyed specs and admit that we need to pick up a win over the next three games. Cardiff away will not be an easy game, they played well against Spurs. But we need to at the very least get a point and to play well.
We need to take defending seriously, as at the moment it's been amateurish. We can definitely win there if we defend as a unit.
He was offered one after the play off final
I feel the same but I want what is best for FFC so if it means Joka is shown the door due to his inability to turn things around then so be it after all he is showing that he wont commit himself to the club as he is still to sign a new contract
Has he been offered one?
Whether we like it or not, it's a Results Business, and it's now magnified more because of the money that is at stake.
Of course when performances and results continue to go the wrong way, then there inevitably will be casualties, but it's imperative that it's is not the club that suffers at the end of the day.
Next three games are very important for Slavisa and the team. A poor performance/result against Cardiff and Huddersfield and I will also ask questions.
I did not expect us to beat top teams like Arsenal, City and Spurs, but maybe many Fulham fans did?
Slavisa said he wanted to play his own style of football in the PL. Maybe that's naive, but I don't think we ever would see a team managed by Slavisa play "kick and run" football.
Slavisa and his team need to sort out how we defend as a team. If they can do that, I think we got enough offensive quality to survive.
This all seems a bit knee-jerk to me. But I understand why after the loss to arsenal. What people seem to forget is that they are the form team in the PL.
I don't fool myself to think we would ever get something from that game. Most wouldn't. So this all seems premature to me.
The injuries have hit us badly and we need to get the defense sorted out. The defensive problems for me stem from the midfield and front not defending enough. The new/makeshift defence does not have enough cover. He needs time to get the new midfield to work in his way and with his strategy. It is this strategy that makes our team so exciting to watch.
The next games are crucial to relieve pressure on him but the team's fortunes will turn after we get the defensive side sorted imo.
So I'm happy to give him til Xmas to sort it out. His reluctance to sign a new contract until we are stable in the PL shows his resolve to do the right thing and also the strength of his character to believe in his abilities.
COYW!
It is not so strange to find naivety as a word bandied around as a criticism of ex-footballers just turned managers. It is almost weird to find the same word used against seasoned coaching staff, as if football suddenly goes through a fantastic transformation as it enters its stratosphere, and these coaches just do not know what to do. I guess a part of that has been the brainwashing required to be unleashed upon supporters to allow themselves to be suckered into accepting the big business model that is the PL. It is almost as if the celebrity players we see at big clubs never started as kids kicking a ball or sock around and between discarded jackets as they always have done and, hopefully, always will do.
Of course, if there were a magic formula for success, the bun fight between those with the most money would play itself out rather like a version of groundhog day turned into seasons with the same half dozen of them trying to be best, while the rest have their own mini-league played with slightly more oxygen available and greater variability in outcomes, the familiar scent of uncertainty. We'd also see discarded managers and coaches in that mini-league the ones who have been to the upper limits of football evolution but appear as 'back home on leave' or 'faulty goods' needy of a bit of restoration. They'd be players like that too, their fashionable curves having suffered blemishes and hence discarded for a new, mostly more expensive model, often of foreign origin. They'd be the evidence of things that didn't work. although the testing ground would prove to be a rather flawed exercise all of itself. I mean what study holds together when it contains so many proofs that there is no magic formula other than money, will, and being too big to fail.
We can all discard something when we believe its flawed, doesn't work, not as advertised on the TV, or whatever, but sometimes we didn't give it long enough, or we expected too much and it is actually things wrong in our head that are making our judgement faulty. There is also that awful moment when the replacement is actually worse than what we once had. When you go through these trial and error exercises for long enough you rapidly long for the day when it'll come good, when you find the product you have always been looking for. You cherish that object when you find it, and you hope you'll never have to let it go. Of course one day it'll die and you have to replace it and you just cross your fingers and hope that same manufacturer is still in business.....
Well put TM
There are still some fans who think it is expected or at least not unexpected to lose heavily to a top team. My point is that we do seem to have one good half and one collapsed half. To me that isn't expected or at least acceptable. Being beaten is one thing. Being humiliated through poor performance or tactics is another.
Though you could argue that having one good half, creating chances and finishing on level terms, was a positive,
although we ended up getting hammered.
I suppose it's realistic to accept defeat by so called top teams, with their massive budgets for players, but we should never go into any game expecting to be beaten -we should always think we're in with a chance.
And we did give Arsenal a game, and cause them problems, at least for one half.
But I agree that it isn't acceptable to only play well for one half, and this needs to be dealt with. Is it a mental thing? To do with fitness? Whatever, we need to try and sort it out, and play well for the whole game.
You could flip this discussion about us having one good half and one bad half against Arsenal and say its not good enough by looking at it from Arsenals pov.
Maybe they look back and think we (Arsenal) didnt have a great first half, allowed Fulham to cause us problems and second half we (Arsenal) upped our game and showed what we can do...why didnt we (Arsenal) do that first half?
On the point of expectations, you go into every game wanting to do well and win it. But just because someone thinks that realistically we will do well to get something (or we should batter this team) is just about admitiing where you are and who you are facing.
Its sport, its unpredictable and thats whats great about it.
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 16, 2018, 09:44:21 AM
There are still some fans who think it is expected or at least not unexpected to lose heavily to a top team. My point is that we do seem to have one good half and one collapsed half. To me that isn't expected or at least acceptable. Being beaten is one thing. Being humiliated through poor performance or tactics is another.
If you don't accept failure and learn from it you'll never succeed. Risk is necessary. Especially if you want to create something special. I want to see football that is special not mediocre. Time and patience.
Quote from: Skatzoffc on October 16, 2018, 08:49:34 AM
This all seems a bit knee-jerk to me. But I understand why after the loss to arsenal. What people seem to forget is that they are the form team in the PL.
I don't fool myself to think we would ever get something from that game. Most wouldn't. So this all seems premature to me.
The injuries have hit us badly and we need to get the defense sorted out. The defensive problems for me stem from the midfield and front not defending enough. The new/makeshift defence does not have enough cover. He needs time to get the new midfield to work in his way and with his strategy. It is this strategy that makes our team so exciting to watch.
The next games are crucial to relieve pressure on him but the team's fortunes will turn after we get the defensive side sorted imo.
So I'm happy to give him til Xmas to sort it out. His reluctance to sign a new contract until we are stable in the PL shows his resolve to do the right thing and also the strength of his character to believe in his abilities.
COYW!
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Quote from: Skatzoffc on October 16, 2018, 08:49:34 AM
This all seems a bit knee-jerk to me. But I understand why after the loss to arsenal. What people seem to forget is that they are the form team in the PL.
I agree (although would still query whether shipping 5 at home is *ever* acceptable) but if you're going to base expectations on form, then Everton were the "NON-form team in the PL" so we should have got something there.
Like you, my patience hasn't run out yet (we always get better in November don't we!) but IMO there are no two ways about it, thus far we have really underperformed. Our net spending over the last few years has been roughly the same as Wolves' and coming up, we were playing at the same standard. Fast forward a few months and they're a top 8 side, 100-1 to go to down with the bookies (yes seriously) whereas we're 2-1 to go down and if it wasn't for two exceptionally poor teams in Huddersfield and Cardiff, it would even worse. Something is wrong there.
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 16, 2018, 09:44:21 AM
There are still some fans who think it is expected or at least not unexpected to lose heavily to a top team. My point is that we do seem to have one good half and one collapsed half. To me that isn't expected or at least acceptable. Being beaten is one thing. Being humiliated through poor performance or tactics is another.
Agreed. After the outlay, we should expect more. We don't need to sacrifice our style, just be smarter defending. I expect at the very least people to run their hearts out.
Quote from: RaySmith on October 16, 2018, 10:14:05 AM
Though you could argue that having one good half, creating chances and finishing on level terms, was a positive,
although we ended up getting hammered.
I suppose it's realistic to accept defeat by so called top teams, with their massive budgets for players, but we should never go into any game expecting to be beaten -we should always think we're in with a chance.
And we did give Arsenal a game, and cause them problems, at least for one half.
But I agree that it isn't acceptable to only play well for one half, and this needs to be dealt with. Is it a mental thing? To do with fitness? Whatever, we need to try and sort it out, and play well for the whole game.
I think we got penalised for a change of formation second half, however we did need to get a second goal due to Betts inexplicably letting in Lacazettes's long ranger. However, I think our first half performance has been overhyped. We got done time and again down our right flank, it was only great last ditch defending that stopped us getting wiped out.
They are but got lucky in a season where circumstance, teams rebuilding and plenty of fortune allowed them to win the title once. They will never get close again unless luck and circumstance happen to be on their side. But let's not pretends they were ever more than a one season wonder.
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Leicester had a terrific season, but I can't attribute such success to luck and circumstance. They dominated and clearly earned their victory.
Funny thing though, regarding this thread topic, that they sacked their coach the year following a PL Title. I think Chelsea did the same thing. So, SJ, and any coach, for that matter, is never assured of anything, and results is what is the most significant governing factor.
Slav needs to get at least 4 points out of the next three games, or hopefully more. If he doesn't then I feel there serious concerns for Fulham. I'm sure the Khans will have concerns as well if this happens.
Also I still wonder why Slav wouldn't sign a new contract, seems odd to me.
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Quote from: Berserker on October 16, 2018, 09:15:53 PM
Slav needs to get at least 4 points out of the next three games, or hopefully more. If he doesn't then I feel there serious concerns for Fulham. I'm sure the Khans will have concerns as well if this happens.
Also I still wonder why Slav wouldn't sign a new contract, seems odd to me.
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Was he offered one then?
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on October 16, 2018, 09:34:03 PM
Quote from: Berserker on October 16, 2018, 09:15:53 PM
Slav needs to get at least 4 points out of the next three games, or hopefully more. If he doesn't then I feel there serious concerns for Fulham. I'm sure the Khans will have concerns as well if this happens.
Also I still wonder why Slav wouldn't sign a new contract, seems odd to me.
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Was he offered one then?
Sure he was, can other posters confirm?
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I thought I had read somewhere back in the early part of the Summer, that Slavisa chose not to discuss an extension to his current contract, or a brand new contract, but perhaps review the situation around Christmas.
But I could of course have misunderstood.
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1006510/Fulham-news-Slavisa-Jokanovic-contract-talks
Yes that's where I must have read it, the Daily Express, thank you, let's hope Slavisa decides to sign a new contract.
If that's the real reason then surely it's a good excuse? I. E. That he doesn't want to distract from the need to get points. He can negotiate when we've got a few wins in the bag.
Always the professional, Slavisa Jokanovic shows, as he has shown throughout his time at FFC, a focus which enriches the environment in which he is working. If it is at all infectious then it will hopefully spread to those who need a good dose of it. He practices what he preaches and if his hard work, his hard lines of decision making, and his intent on getting players to improve themselves only has an effect on fifty percent of his charge then once change for the better comes it will be truly significant change. Only then will he prepare himself to engage in the semantics of what he is worth and where he will be next year.
Think it's good for the club that he doesn't sign also and shows respect by slav.
He seemed to be waiting to see how we got on with him as manager, and all the new players.
One thing I would say is, that by not signing a new contract he makes all the easier to fire him, as the compensation would be low. So he really needs those wins soon if he wants to stay in a job. I believe in you Slavisa.
In slavisa I trust!
He has absolutely nothing to negotiate as things stand right now, he's value is going down every single game, we all know he needs results the next few games, otherwise he will be on he's bike,,End Of...
Quote from: ex-Pat on October 18, 2018, 02:01:13 PM
He has absolutely nothing to negotiate as things stand right now, he's value is going down every single game, we all know he needs results the next few games, otherwise he will be on he's bike,,End Of...
Sort your spelling, then try again.
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Quote from: ex-Pat on October 18, 2018, 02:01:13 PM
He has absolutely nothing to negotiate as things stand right now, he's value is going down every single game, we all know he needs results the next few games, otherwise he will be on he's bike,,End Of...
Sort your spelling, then try again.
you're confused mate.
No his not.
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Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on October 18, 2018, 05:21:58 PM
Quote from: ex-Pat on October 18, 2018, 02:01:13 PM
He has absolutely nothing to negotiate as things stand right now, he's value is going down every single game, we all know he needs results the next few games, otherwise he will be on he's bike,,End Of...
Sort your spelling, then try again.
you're confused mate.
"He's value" should be his value. "He's bike" should be his bike.
Don't feel bad, I know it's not easy if English isn't your first language. I hope that my lesson will serve you well in the future. Cheers.
There's a fair amount of poor spelling and grammar on this forum. Which, while not correct. Is all part of the social media world we live in.
Glad to see your still keeping some of the older traditions alive though. Namely, patronisation.
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There's a fair amount of poor spelling and grammar on this forum. Which, while not correct. Is all part of the social media world we live in.a
Glad to see your still keeping some of the older traditions alive though. Namely, patronisation.
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What your problem?
Your being to picky with you're analysis..
Its the reason are team is so nervous cause there sick of picky Parker's like you
Quote from: I Ronic on October 19, 2018, 08:19:43 AM
There's a fair amount of poor spelling and grammar on this forum. Which, while not correct. Is all part of the social media world we live in.a
Glad to see your still keeping some of the older traditions alive though. Namely, patronisation.
I use my fone a lot and find it autocorrecting all the time so wired words get posted.
Quote from: I Ronic on October 19, 2018, 08:19:43 AM
There's a fair amount of poor spelling and grammar on this forum. Which, while not correct. Is all part of the social media world we live in.a
Glad to see your still keeping some of the older traditions alive though. Namely, patronisation.
Happy to help.
