I will drive down to Motspur Park and hand Slav his P45 myself.
Proved a point, moaned, spat his dummy out that he wasn't being played, has come in, been given time, and has been just as bad, if not worse than the others.
I'm sorry, but you've got Rico sitting there, who practically won the Europa League in 2014-15, yet he persists on playing Bettinelli, who is Championship standard, if that.
Very real. Saw a Cardiff fan tweet this. Invalid Tweet ID
The only reason why fans want Bettinelli in goal, is because he's home grown, and are blinkered by the fact, that he's a bang average keeper.
I've got nothing against the lad, thought we'd see a change after Arsenal, but he gets thrown in again today, and adds to the calamity stability of that back 4.
I've seen enough, sorry.
When people see replays of the first and third goal, and the third goal in particular, I'm not sure how even his biggest fans can defend him anymore. Remember back to Palace's opening goal which Fabri conceded, which was an absolute bullet in the top corner, and he got a right kicking on here for not saving it when Betts apparently would've, well I raise you cardiff's third goal today as an example of Betts perhaps not being as good as some on here think he is
Went down in slow motion for the 3rd goal.
Terrible goalkeeping.
I believed Betts should be given the chance to be our starting keeper and was glad when he eventually got that chance. Unfortunately he hasnt made performed well enough to maintain it and i think its time to try someone else.
P.S Betts shanking that back pass out for a corner in the first half was something special
Betts is just there until Rico have learned some English.
....which I think he should already picked up a few simple or important one by now.
His performance last couple of games has been far worse than Fabri's debut,yet that lad was slated for his..
Supporter of Betts,but time for Rico has come,Betts back to L plates.
I've only seen the highlights but I don't think he was at fault for any of the goals.
The first one was hit into the ground (or took a deflection off the defender - I'm not certain) and wasn't as easy to save as it appears to many. The slow-motion goal was just one of those things. So easy to criticise a goalkeeper - we rarely see it from their angle which is (quite obviously) at ground level and often obscured.
Having said that I wouldn't be surprised if he was rested. Sometimes a change is needed just to shake things up.
Football fans are so predictable : now Jokanovic is useless, Ream is useless, Bettinelli is useless, etc. Wembley and promotion was clearly a fluke.
He's to our defence what Button was last year, they're probably shitting themselves every time the ball goes near him as his distribution is sub championship standard and he's stopped making what should be routine saves
Poor lads probably suffering from shell shock playing behind that defense, perhaps Fabri wasnt that bad its just the defence is so shocking the keepers have no chance when the forwards have the whole of the goal to aim at
Quote from: Fulham1959 on October 21, 2018, 10:11:17 AM
I've only seen the highlights but I don't think he was at fault for any of the goals.
The first one was hit into the ground (or took a deflection off the defender - I'm not certain) and wasn't as easy to save as it appears to many. The slow-motion goal was just one of those things. So easy to criticise a goalkeeper - we rarely see it from their angle which is (quite obviously) at ground level and often obscured.
Having said that I wouldn't be surprised if he was rested. Sometimes a change is needed just to shake things up.
Football fans are so predictable : now Jokanovic is useless, Ream is useless, Bettinelli is useless, etc. Wembley and promotion was clearly a fluke.
Open your eyes to the reality.
Bettinelli has been at fault for a minimum of 2 goals in 2 games.
Ream has been incredibly poor this season.
Jokanovic has lead a team to concede 25 goals in 9 games.
This is reality, not the fantasy world you think we're currently in. We're getting worse each week.
Quote from: Fulham1959 on October 21, 2018, 10:11:17 AM
Football fans are so predictable : now Jokanovic is useless, Ream is useless, Bettinelli is useless, etc. Wembley and promotion was clearly a fluke.
Plenty of us recognised those players' limitations even before the season started. I always had doubts about Ream and Mcdonald at this level, never thought in a million years that we'd see Odoi at CB at all this season, and I said after the Burnley game Betts' kicking is inconsistent with the allegation that he is a professional footballer.
If only our defensive problems could be simply solved by a change of keeper I am sure Jocanovic would have done that by now. It is more complex and involves central defenders, full backs, midfielders as well as tactics.
I think a change is needed and Betts is one of them.
Personally I feel Betts wasn't to blame for the goals that went in. He was wrong footed for their 3rd. I would like to have seen him get closer for the first but also see those type of goals go in every week.
I do however believe that he isn't that top 10 team keeper we all want him to be (and that's where we want to be so need the players for it).
The Cardiff game the defence were, once again, shocking. Ream, as much as I loved him last year has had a terrible start. At fault for their second by missing the touch/even trying to take one instead of clearing it. The 3rd him and McDonald needed to communicate. One shouts and wins that ball simple. As is, no talking Ream didn't get there, knocked it away from McD and Cardiff goal.
We wont talk about the 4th goal, that's a slip, it happens, but still his fault sadly.
While the Keeper may not be at fault for all the goals, the defence is his responsibility. He should be shouting to get his defence to push out together. He is the eyes for Odoi for their 4th (as well as Odoi himself). Maybe a fresh voice and new eyes will change the way the defence respond. At the moment they need a LEADER. We don't have one sadly IMO.
I do think though that we still have the quality to change it around. I would Swap Betts for Fabri or Rico. Play MLM and Mawson together every day in training at CB and build that partnership and Odoi/FM RB with Sess/Bryan LB. Stick to that and don't change for the next 4/5 games.
Quote from: JakeFFC on October 22, 2018, 11:46:10 AM
I think a change is needed and Betts is one of them.
Personally I feel Betts wasn't to blame for the goals that went in. He was wrong footed for their 3rd. I would like to have seen him get closer for the first but also see those type of goals go in every week.
I do however believe that he isn't that top 10 team keeper we all want him to be (and that's where we want to be so need the players for it).
The Cardiff game the defence were, once again, shocking. Ream, as much as I loved him last year has had a terrible start. At fault for their second by missing the touch/even trying to take one instead of clearing it. The 3rd him and McDonald needed to communicate. One shouts and wins that ball simple. As is, no talking Ream didn't get there, knocked it away from McD and Cardiff goal.
We wont talk about the 4th goal, that's a slip, it happens, but still his fault sadly.
While the Keeper may not be at fault for all the goals, the defence is his responsibility. He should be shouting to get his defence to push out together. He is the eyes for Odoi for their 4th (as well as Odoi himself). Maybe a fresh voice and new eyes will change the way the defence respond. At the moment they need a LEADER. We don't have one sadly IMO.
I do think though that we still have the quality to change it around. I would Swap Betts for Fabri or Rico. Play MLM and Mawson together every day in training at CB and build that partnership and Odoi/FM RB with Sess/Bryan LB. Stick to that and don't change for the next 4/5 games.
For all the goals that go in the goalkeeper is the last line of defence. Every goal against has arisen because someone in front of the goalkeeper has failed to do their job. The better sides we have played have carved out opportunities that would have resulted in goals against better opposition but most of our goals against this season have been errors committed in the wrong places by players who really should be better than they have been.
Quote from: toshes mate on October 22, 2018, 11:54:26 AM
Quote from: JakeFFC on October 22, 2018, 11:46:10 AM
I think a change is needed and Betts is one of them.
Personally I feel Betts wasn't to blame for the goals that went in. He was wrong footed for their 3rd. I would like to have seen him get closer for the first but also see those type of goals go in every week.
I do however believe that he isn't that top 10 team keeper we all want him to be (and that's where we want to be so need the players for it).
The Cardiff game the defence were, once again, shocking. Ream, as much as I loved him last year has had a terrible start. At fault for their second by missing the touch/even trying to take one instead of clearing it. The 3rd him and McDonald needed to communicate. One shouts and wins that ball simple. As is, no talking Ream didn't get there, knocked it away from McD and Cardiff goal.
We wont talk about the 4th goal, that's a slip, it happens, but still his fault sadly.
While the Keeper may not be at fault for all the goals, the defence is his responsibility. He should be shouting to get his defence to push out together. He is the eyes for Odoi for their 4th (as well as Odoi himself). Maybe a fresh voice and new eyes will change the way the defence respond. At the moment they need a LEADER. We don't have one sadly IMO.
I do think though that we still have the quality to change it around. I would Swap Betts for Fabri or Rico. Play MLM and Mawson together every day in training at CB and build that partnership and Odoi/FM RB with Sess/Bryan LB. Stick to that and don't change for the next 4/5 games.
For all the goals that go in the goalkeeper is the last line of defence. Every goal against has arisen because someone in front of the goalkeeper has failed to do their job. The better sides we have played have carved out opportunities that would have resulted in goals against better opposition but most of our goals against this season have been errors committed in the wrong places by players who really should be better than they have been.
I completely agree.
The only way to sort this out and cut out the errors we are making, gifting the opposition chances is to go to a Roy style of training where its repetitive and boring but everyone knows 100% what their role is, where they are going and what they are doing. This will mean players should be able to say in their sleep what they should be doing.
Need to get that understanding and organisation back. That will only come from a consistent team selection.
people singling out betts should calm down,
as far as i can see looking at our defence is like
looking into a cesspit and saying that turd is causing the stink
when in fact it is all the turds contributing to the stink.
I do think he's between the sticks purely because of his communication at the moment and I imagine we'll stick with him and see how Rico does in the Carabao Cup game.
I'm sceptical that Rico is becoming better and better with every game he doesn't play though.
On this years form Betts has been atrocious why Southgate called him up to the England squad and Slav continues to play him is beyond belief!!
The time to get him off the pitch is now
He is facing 20 odd shots a game , normally from close range. Doesn't matter who is in goal when being bombarded like that . But certainly didn't cover himself in glory at the weekend.
Quote from: Fulham1959 on October 21, 2018, 10:11:17 AM
I've only seen the highlights but I don't think he was at fault for any of the goals.
The first one was hit into the ground (or took a deflection off the defender - I'm not certain) and wasn't as easy to save as it appears to many. The slow-motion goal was just one of those things. So easy to criticise a goalkeeper - we rarely see it from their angle which is (quite obviously) at ground level and often obscured.
Having said that I wouldn't be surprised if he was rested. Sometimes a change is needed just to shake things up.
Football fans are so predictable : now Jokanovic is useless, Ream is useless, Bettinelli is useless, etc. Wembley and promotion was clearly a fluke.
i do not like the herd like abuse of betts. however he could have done much better for the third. but i feel for him because he really does need the team to defend consistently, every week we find new ways to mess up in front of him. he is surely not to blame for the number of goals we are letting in and I have seen many dreadful keepers at fulham over the years, and he is not amongst them.
just coming back to fabri, now his performances to date were pathetic. if he gets another chance and and manages to get on the end of any crosses at all that at least will be an improvement. if he times hios charges out of the penalty area to when necessary rather than thinking he is an auxilliary sweeper, that too will be a step forward. fabri is an ok shot stopper from what isaw, but they all are at this level, it is absolutely everything else he did that fills me with fear.
rico, we have not seen enough to know.
Quote from: nose on October 22, 2018, 01:23:11 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on October 21, 2018, 10:11:17 AM
I've only seen the highlights but I don't think he was at fault for any of the goals.
The first one was hit into the ground (or took a deflection off the defender - I'm not certain) and wasn't as easy to save as it appears to many. The slow-motion goal was just one of those things. So easy to criticise a goalkeeper - we rarely see it from their angle which is (quite obviously) at ground level and often obscured.
Having said that I wouldn't be surprised if he was rested. Sometimes a change is needed just to shake things up.
Football fans are so predictable : now Jokanovic is useless, Ream is useless, Bettinelli is useless, etc. Wembley and promotion was clearly a fluke.
i do not like the herd like abuse of betts. however he could have done much better for the third. but i feel for him because he really does need the team to defend consistently, every week we find new ways to mess up in front of him. he is surely not to blame for the number of goals we are letting in and I have seen many dreadful keepers at fulham over the years, and he is not amongst them.
just coming back to fabri, now his performances to date were pathetic. if he gets another chance and and manages to get on the end of any crosses at all that at least will be an improvement. if he times hios charges out of the penalty area to when necessary rather than thinking he is an auxilliary sweeper, that too will be a step forward. fabri is an ok shot stopper from what isaw, but they all are at this level, it is absolutely everything else he did that fills me with fear.
rico, we have not seen enough to know.
I don't care about the 3rd, it was the misplaced passes and shanked clearances throughout the game. One of his clearances went out for a corner. This is the area Rico and Fabri are huge upgrades on Betts. Shot stopping I think all 3 are fairly even.
I'll say this. I was critical of Fabri and thought it was wrong to drop him when they did but Bett's came in and stepped up. I do think now, he deserves to be dropping and allow Rico a chance. I agree with a previous poster that he's likely still in the team due to his communication positives over other keepers. He's played well enough to warrant a call up so people claiming he's been appalling every game are just incorrect.
To a certain extent, a Goalkeeper, any Goalkeeper is only as good as the defence in front of him.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 22, 2018, 02:35:49 PM
To a certain extent, a Goalkeeper, any Goalkeeper is only as good as the defence in front of him.
Depends how you evaluate a performance. His distribution has been appalling recently and thats not his defences fault.
The more important question is,has he got command and direction of the 18 yard box at the moment I don't think he has and think he needs time out to recover
Quote from: FFC1987 on October 22, 2018, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 22, 2018, 02:35:49 PM
To a certain extent, a Goalkeeper, any Goalkeeper is only as good as the defence in front of him.
Depends how you evaluate a performance. His distribution has been appalling recently and thats not his defences fault.
You may say that, but we do not know what communication if any there are between keeper and his defenders. None of any of our defenders appear vocal enough.
Are defenders going wide to split the opponents forwards, are they calling for the ball.
I played in goal for a very long time, for good teams and for bad teams, I enjoyed being busy. But from a keepers point of veiw poor defending and defenders can give any keeper the jitters, especially when the communications are few and far between, suddenly the uncertainty can spread to the keeper, and then everyone starts lacking confidence in each other and themselves.
But it's for the manager to sort this out, don't blame Betts for being selected, and it does not help anyone's performance when the manager is chopping and changing every week, and the Keeper let alone the players do not know who they are playing with in the next game.
No wonder there are times they look as though they are playing with strangers.
Jok has to get his act together ASAP, because there is glorious defeat, and then there is the kind of defeat last Saturday which is unacceptable in anyone's eyes.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 22, 2018, 03:16:34 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on October 22, 2018, 02:38:09 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 22, 2018, 02:35:49 PM
To a certain extent, a Goalkeeper, any Goalkeeper is only as good as the defence in front of him.
Depends how you evaluate a performance. His distribution has been appalling recently and thats not his defences fault.
You may say that, but we do not know what communication if any there are between keeper and his defenders. None of any of our defenders appear vocal enough.
Are defenders going wide to split the opponents forwards, are they calling for the ball.
I played in goal for a very long time, for good teams and for bad teams, I enjoyed being busy. But from a keepers point of veiw poor defending and defenders can give any keeper the jitters, especially when the communications are few and far between, suddenly the uncertainty can spread to the keeper, and then everyone starts lacking confidence in each other and themselves.
But it's for the manager to sort this out, don't blame Betts for being selected, and it does not help anyone's performance when the manager is chopping and changing every week, and the Keeper let alone the players do not know who they are playing with in the next game.
No wonder there are times they look as though they are playing with strangers.
Jok has to get his act together ASAP, because there is glorious defeat, and then there is the kind of defeat last Saturday which is unacceptable in anyone's eyes.
I still at this level, you should be able to kick a ball to the same shirt more often than not. His slice will be highlighted as well. he didn't have a good game. He put his hands up and admitted it. I like him but I'd likely sit him out if Rico is doing well in training.
Football fans are so predictable : now Jokanovic is useless, Ream is useless, Bettinelli is useless, etc. Wembley and promotion was clearly a fluke.
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To be fair, SJ is accountable, some of his lineups and in-game decisions, and the teams' dreadful 2nd half showings fall on his shoulders to a certain degree. And Ream has been useless so far, whether not fully fit or capable at PL speed, he lacks. And the goal keeping, and acknowledging some very poor back four defensive play, has not been very good at all. This is the Prem, changes and or improvement must be seen soon, or it's back to the Championship in short order.
Quote from: nose on October 22, 2018, 01:23:11 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on October 21, 2018, 10:11:17 AM
I've only seen the highlights but I don't think he was at fault for any of the goals.
The first one was hit into the ground (or took a deflection off the defender - I'm not certain) and wasn't as easy to save as it appears to many. The slow-motion goal was just one of those things. So easy to criticise a goalkeeper - we rarely see it from their angle which is (quite obviously) at ground level and often obscured.
Having said that I wouldn't be surprised if he was rested. Sometimes a change is needed just to shake things up.
Football fans are so predictable : now Jokanovic is useless, Ream is useless, Bettinelli is useless, etc. Wembley and promotion was clearly a fluke.
i do not like the herd like abuse of betts. however he could have done much better for the third. but i feel for him because he really does need the team to defend consistently, every week we find new ways to mess up in front of him. he is surely not to blame for the number of goals we are letting in and I have seen many dreadful keepers at fulham over the years, and he is not amongst them.
just coming back to fabri, now his performances to date were pathetic. if he gets another chance and and manages to get on the end of any crosses at all that at least will be an improvement. if he times hios charges out of the penalty area to when necessary rather than thinking he is an auxilliary sweeper, that too will be a step forward. fabri is an ok shot stopper from what isaw, but they all are at this level, it is absolutely everything else he did that fills me with fear.
rico, we have not seen enough to know.
Agree with all of that nose.
Quote from: Twig on October 22, 2018, 06:41:48 PM
Quote from: nose on October 22, 2018, 01:23:11 PM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on October 21, 2018, 10:11:17 AM
I've only seen the highlights but I don't think he was at fault for any of the goals.
The first one was hit into the ground (or took a deflection off the defender - I'm not certain) and wasn't as easy to save as it appears to many. The slow-motion goal was just one of those things. So easy to criticise a goalkeeper - we rarely see it from their angle which is (quite obviously) at ground level and often obscured.
Having said that I wouldn't be surprised if he was rested. Sometimes a change is needed just to shake things up.
Football fans are so predictable : now Jokanovic is useless, Ream is useless, Bettinelli is useless, etc. Wembley and promotion was clearly a fluke.
i do not like the herd like abuse of betts. however he could have done much better for the third. but i feel for him because he really does need the team to defend consistently, every week we find new ways to mess up in front of him. he is surely not to blame for the number of goals we are letting in and I have seen many dreadful keepers at fulham over the years, and he is not amongst them.
just coming back to fabri, now his performances to date were pathetic. if he gets another chance and and manages to get on the end of any crosses at all that at least will be an improvement. if he times hios charges out of the penalty area to when necessary rather than thinking he is an auxilliary sweeper, that too will be a step forward. fabri is an ok shot stopper from what isaw, but they all are at this level, it is absolutely everything else he did that fills me with fear.
rico, we have not seen enough to know.
Agree with all of that nose.
Thank you. One other thing that needs so be said... whatever goalkeeper we play, if the back line changes every week there is no chance any of them will ever gel. SJ really has been poor this season in that respect and that is despite injuries he has simply made to many changes and no matter what, that will happen again this saturday!
I think SJ is panicing, that is what it looks like to me, and he needs to go back to basics and pick what he believes is our best team and formation and run with it for a few weeks. Kmac and johansen do look out of their depth and their names on the team sheet are a concern for me. I really do not understand the ochestrated attacks on betts are, he has recieved a number of MoM performances and southgate has called on him. I think the whole team looks a bit shell shocked and it ios the manager's responsibility to sort it out.... and whilsty I thought £100M spending was good, the lack of top class full backs and a proper strikr to partner or understudy mitro was an error... Despite 4 goals I am not impressed with schurlle, he does far too much stuff that seems self centred rather than team based, mitro runs himself into the ground for the team. And finally we so miss TC, his biyt of quality is a real miss.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on October 21, 2018, 10:43:48 AM
Quote from: Fulham1959 on October 21, 2018, 10:11:17 AM
I've only seen the highlights but I don't think he was at fault for any of the goals.
The first one was hit into the ground (or took a deflection off the defender - I'm not certain) and wasn't as easy to save as it appears to many. The slow-motion goal was just one of those things. So easy to criticise a goalkeeper - we rarely see it from their angle which is (quite obviously) at ground level and often obscured.
Having said that I wouldn't be surprised if he was rested. Sometimes a change is needed just to shake things up.
Football fans are so predictable : now Jokanovic is useless, Ream is useless, Bettinelli is useless, etc. Wembley and promotion was clearly a fluke.
Open your eyes to the reality.
Bettinelli has been at fault for a minimum of 2 goals in 2 games.
Ream has been incredibly poor this season.
Jokanovic has lead a team to concede 25 goals in 9 games.
This is reality, not the fantasy world you think we're currently in. We're getting worse each week.
You are a wum Facts.
Ream is coming back from a back injury and has only played 234mins in 3 games. One against Everton and one against arsenal the top form team in the land.
Give it a rest pls.
perhaps his family were being held hostage?
Skattszofc: We have let 12 goals in the past 3 games. Ream has been culpable for at least half of them.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on October 22, 2018, 02:35:49 PM
To a certain extent, a Goalkeeper, any Goalkeeper is only as good as the defence in front of him.
Correct. David De Gea has great reflexes, is good with both his hands and feet. One of the top 4 keepers in the world.
West Ham put 3 goals past him.
BUT, I've seen David get beat for goals. Goals that ANY keeper would have been beaten by.
I've seen Bett's uselessly concede goals that a better keeper would have defended.
You're right that the defense needs to help him way more than they have though.
Betts normally posts a picture on instagram day before to suggest he's playing. No picture yet..... RICO TIME!!
WTF!
Are either of the other two keepers better than Betts?
I recall many wanting Betts back at the start of the season!
People amaze me stating the bleeding obvious! The whole team are only as good as the rest of the team!
Defensively we have been awful, but it's not just there! Midfield has been terrible as well!
The keeper needs protection from his defenders, as defence needs the midfield to take pressure off of them!
A lot of you sound like it's all the keepers fault!
Quote from: Andyb on October 26, 2018, 06:28:47 PM
Betts normally posts a picture on instagram day before to suggest he's playing. No picture yet..... RICO TIME!!
That's a shame.
Quote from: FFCSteve on October 26, 2018, 07:09:23 PM
WTF!
Are either of the other two keepers better than Betts?
I recall many wanting Betts back at the start of the season!
People amaze me stating the bleeding obvious! The whole team are only as good as the rest of the team!
Defensively we have been awful, but it's not just there! Midfield has been terrible as well!
The keeper needs protection from his defenders, as defence needs the midfield to take pressure off of them!
A lot of you sound like it's all the keepers fault!
Quick question for you and others posting the same sort of thing:
Will you be happy if Chambers starts tomorrow?
Quote from: FFCSteve on October 26, 2018, 07:09:23 PM
WTF!
Are either of the other two keepers better than Betts?
I recall many wanting Betts back at the start of the season!
People amaze me stating the bleeding obvious! The whole team are only as good as the rest of the team!
Defensively we have been awful, but it's not just there! Midfield has been terrible as well!
The keeper needs protection from his defenders, as defence needs the midfield to take pressure off of them!
A lot of you sound like it's all the keepers fault!
I completely agree with you. Of course the defence has been terrible but I am just as worried about our defending in the midfield and up front. Neither Schurrle nor Vietto does any defending from the front, Johansen and K Mac have looked out of their depth in midfield, Seri has been patchy and Zambo hasn't settled in. None of them seem to understand their role, the team shape or have any understanding with their team mates. Consequently we are far too easy to open up and the poor old keeper (whoever he is) faces a regular bombardment of shots to handle.
Quote from: Twig on October 26, 2018, 08:13:38 PM
Quote from: Andyb on October 26, 2018, 06:28:47 PM
Betts normally posts a picture on instagram day before to suggest he's playing. No picture yet..... RICO TIME!!
That's a shame.
No it's not.
Quote from: Twig on October 26, 2018, 08:22:55 PM
Quote from: FFCSteve on October 26, 2018, 07:09:23 PM
WTF!
Are either of the other two keepers better than Betts?
I recall many wanting Betts back at the start of the season!
People amaze me stating the bleeding obvious! The whole team are only as good as the rest of the team!
Defensively we have been awful, but it's not just there! Midfield has been terrible as well!
The keeper needs protection from his defenders, as defence needs the midfield to take pressure off of them!
A lot of you sound like it's all the keepers fault!
I completely agree with you. Of course the defence has been terrible but I am just as worried about our defending in the midfield and up front. Neither Schurrle nor Vietto does any defending from the front, Johansen and K Mac have looked out of their depth in midfield, Seri has been patchy and Zambo hasn't settled in. None of them seem to understand their role, the team shape or have any understanding with their team mates. Consequently we are far too easy to open up and the poor old keeper (whoever he is) faces a regular bombardment of shots to handle.
Just looked through your posts and its so funny that your now preaching 'any keeper would look bad with this defence'
After 2 games you were calling for Fabri to be dropped on here.
Quote from: @jolslover on October 26, 2018, 08:30:17 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 26, 2018, 08:22:55 PM
Quote from: FFCSteve on October 26, 2018, 07:09:23 PM
WTF!
Are either of the other two keepers better than Betts?
I recall many wanting Betts back at the start of the season!
People amaze me stating the bleeding obvious! The whole team are only as good as the rest of the team!
Defensively we have been awful, but it's not just there! Midfield has been terrible as well!
The keeper needs protection from his defenders, as defence needs the midfield to take pressure off of them!
A lot of you sound like it's all the keepers fault!
I completely agree with you. Of course the defence has been terrible but I am just as worried about our defending in the midfield and up front. Neither Schurrle nor Vietto does any defending from the front, Johansen and K Mac have looked out of their depth in midfield, Seri has been patchy and Zambo hasn't settled in. None of them seem to understand their role, the team shape or have any understanding with their team mates. Consequently we are far too easy to open up and the poor old keeper (whoever he is) faces a regular bombardment of shots to handle.
Just looked through your posts and its so funny that your now preaching 'any keeper would look bad with this defence'
After 2 games you were calling for Fabri to be dropped on here.
No! It should be read as "a lot of you sound like its all Bettinellis fault" as this is a post about Bettinelli.
Fabri was untried and didn't fair well! He was played ahead of Bettinelli who was bedded into the team, and had been good the previous season! Why would you not have played him! (Eh! Betinelli)
Quote from: @jolslover on October 26, 2018, 08:30:17 PM
Quote from: Twig on October 26, 2018, 08:22:55 PM
Quote from: FFCSteve on October 26, 2018, 07:09:23 PM
WTF!
Are either of the other two keepers better than Betts?
I recall many wanting Betts back at the start of the season!
People amaze me stating the bleeding obvious! The whole team are only as good as the rest of the team!
Defensively we have been awful, but it's not just there! Midfield has been terrible as well!
The keeper needs protection from his defenders, as defence needs the midfield to take pressure off of them!
A lot of you sound like it's all the keepers fault!
I completely agree with you. Of course the defence has been terrible but I am just as worried about our defending in the midfield and up front. Neither Schurrle nor Vietto does any defending from the front, Johansen and K Mac have looked out of their depth in midfield, Seri has been patchy and Zambo hasn't settled in. None of them seem to understand their role, the team shape or have any understanding with their team mates. Consequently we are far too easy to open up and the poor old keeper (whoever he is) faces a regular bombardment of shots to handle.
Just looked through your posts and its so funny that your now preaching 'any keeper would look bad with this defence'
After 2 games you were calling for Fabri to be dropped on here.
Flattered that you took the trouble and yes, I did. I still wouldn't want him back because I think his judgement was poorer than Betts and he didn't show any significant areas where he was an upgrade. That said i stand by my view that it is not easy for any keeper behind our current defensive efforts. I don't see any logical inconsistency in my posts, perhaps you could explain?
Awful that Fabri is getting the Button treatment. Just because Betts is from our academy doesn't mean he's better
