Anything I should know before I start?
I have been banned on TIFF as I posted too many subjects. They were 90% football matters though so I do not understand their problem.
I look forward to your response.
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Brilliant Rule at 1H
Many thanks
...well, we'll give you a trial, see what the members feedback is and if you abuse the hospitality 'THE MODERATI' come down like a ton of bricks - neither do we tolerate abuse, swearing, WUM's or Trolls.
If you keep around 90% of your postings on Fulham matters I don't see there being a problem.
WhiteJC has posted the rules - but remember:-
Any loopholes will be filled at the discretion of any of 'The Moderati':-
Oh! and remember rule 1 - don't get on the wrong side of LBNo11!
Quote from: LBNo11 on October 13, 2010, 05:12:40 PM
...well, we'll give you a trial, see what the members feedback is and if you abuse the hospitality 'THE MODERATI' come down like a ton of bricks - neither do we tolerate abuse, swearing, WUM's or Trolls.
If you keep around 90% of your postings on Fulham matters I don't see there being a problem.
WhiteJC has posted the rules - but remember:-
Any loopholes will be filled at the discretion of any of 'The Moderati':-
Oh! and remember rule 1 - don't get on the wrong side of LBNo11!
90% Football not just Fulham - is that OK?
...as stated about 90% Fulham - this site is called Friends Of Fulham; we are aware there is a world outside of Fulham FC, but we want to keep this board predominantly about Fulham FC.
Posts are naturally made about the other clubs, but repetetive posts about other teams are not encouraged, and too many will just be deleted.
Major events like rule changes, the dark side (WGDT) going bankrupt, Sepp Blatter being assassinated, and the FA making a sensible decision - you know, earth shattering stuff - will be tolerated.
We do not change the rules observed by the majority for the minority.
I hope you understand and comply - thanks in anticipation...
What's your favorite Sausage?
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on October 13, 2010, 06:09:50 PM
What's your favorite Sausage?
A very fair question but under the rules your next 9 posts must be Fulham related.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on October 13, 2010, 06:17:09 PM
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on October 13, 2010, 06:09:50 PM
What's your favorite Sausage?
A very fair question but under the rules your next 9 posts must be Fulham related.
You're being kind Tony, Fred owes us about 9,999 posts in a row about Fulham to get his numbers right. :dft012:
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Quote from: FatFreddysCat on October 13, 2010, 06:09:50 PM
What's your favorite Sausage?
Pork and caramelised red onion
Quote from: ghrt on October 13, 2010, 07:19:57 PM
PQuote from: FatFreddysCat on October 13, 2010, 06:09:50 PM
What's your favorite Sausage?
Pork and caramelised red onion
I think you'll get along just fine here.
:beer:
Quote from: ghrt on October 13, 2010, 07:19:57 PM
PQuote from: FatFreddysCat on October 13, 2010, 06:09:50 PM
What's your favorite Sausage?
Pork and caramelised red onion
Welcome ghrt now your going to hear all about FFC,s hernia that or how he smashs Brentford in !
Quote from: TheDaddy on October 13, 2010, 07:23:59 PM
Quote from: ghrt on October 13, 2010, 07:19:57 PM
PQuote from: FatFreddysCat on October 13, 2010, 06:09:50 PM
What's your favorite Sausage?
Pork and caramelised red onion
Welcome ghrt now your going to hear all about FFC,s hernia that or how he smashs Brentford in !
Don't forget about the nylons he wears when playing footie and his latest favorite chick flick. :dft012:
Quote from: ghrt on October 13, 2010, 05:07:16 PM
Brilliant Rule at 1H
Many thanks
But surely conflicts with rule 1G? You Mods are lucky my Dad isn't on here. When discussing the subject of rule 1H, he'd cause you all sorts of hedaches with the number of rules he'd break. Most likely he'd repeatedly and flagrantly violate rule 2G. God only knows he does in real life. It's a topic we try to avoid...
hello and welcome ghrt,are you a fulham supporter?
Quote from: TheDaddy on October 13, 2010, 07:23:59 PM
Quote from: ghrt on October 13, 2010, 07:19:57 PM
PQuote from: FatFreddysCat on October 13, 2010, 06:09:50 PM
What's your favorite Sausage?
Pork and caramelised red onion
Welcome ghrt now your going to hear all about FFC,s hernia that or how he smashs Brentford in !
Talking off Hernia's i'm now looking at having it done privately, cheapest i've found so far is £1,280. My dads looking at the option of doing it abroad, he had some scan thing done in Germany much cheaper than here, and went to Hungary for some dental work. Oh no thread drifting.
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on October 13, 2010, 09:20:19 PM
Quote from: TheDaddy on October 13, 2010, 07:23:59 PM
Quote from: ghrt on October 13, 2010, 07:19:57 PM
PQuote from: FatFreddysCat on October 13, 2010, 06:09:50 PM
What's your favorite Sausage?
Pork and caramelised red onion
Welcome ghrt now your going to hear all about FFC,s hernia that or how he smashs Brentford in !
Talking off Hernia's i'm now looking at having it done privately, cheapest i've found so far is £1,280. My dads looking at the option of doing it abroad, he had some scan thing done in Germany much cheaper than here, and went to Hungary for some dental work.
DONT DO IT YOUR WAKE UP WITH A LUNG MISSING
Quote from: TheDaddy on October 13, 2010, 09:22:54 PM
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on October 13, 2010, 09:20:19 PM
Quote from: TheDaddy on October 13, 2010, 07:23:59 PM
Quote from: ghrt on October 13, 2010, 07:19:57 PM
PQuote from: FatFreddysCat on October 13, 2010, 06:09:50 PM
What's your favorite Sausage?
Pork and caramelised red onion
Welcome ghrt now your going to hear all about FFC,s hernia that or how he smashs Brentford in !
Talking off Hernia's i'm now looking at having it done privately, cheapest i've found so far is £1,280. My dads looking at the option of doing it abroad, he had some scan thing done in Germany much cheaper than here, and went to Hungary for some dental work.
DONT DO IT YOUR WAKE UP WITH A LUNG MISSING
It's ok The Daddy, i've found some lovely cheap Hostel in Slovakia to stay in and someone has promised to to cut me open for nothing.
Quote from: fulhamwannabe on October 13, 2010, 09:15:22 PM
hello and welcome ghrt,are you a fulham supporter?
For more years than I care to remember
here's a twist, ghrt is Si in disguise
so he registered on fof earlier, checked his ip address as per usual for new members, turns out the same ip was shared with another member, Si_ffcuk
http://img812.imageshack.us/i/ipsblocked.jpg/ (http://img812.imageshack.us/i/ipsblocked.jpg/)
looking into it a bit more, came up with something interesting. sometimes fof has errors and these get saved so admins can look at them. si_ffcuk attempted to quote a post by LB, but no post was made. 20 seconds later, si_ffcuk had logged out. a minute later, ghrt had quoted and replied to the same post si_ffcuk attempted to. so, considering the times add up and the shared ip, the only conclusion you can make is that si was about to reply to LB's post, realised he was in the wrong account, logged out and logged back in as ghrt
http://img543.imageshack.us/f/quotepostblocked.jpg/ (http://img543.imageshack.us/f/quotepostblocked.jpg/)
then later this evening, both si and ghrt were on, with the same ip again.
http://img836.imageshack.us/i/sameiponlineblocked.jpg/ (http://img836.imageshack.us/i/sameiponlineblocked.jpg/)
so unless there's a massive coincidence and there's a perfectly reasonable explanation, there's only one thing you can conclude, and that is they are both the same person.
be interesting to hear your thoughts. i blocked out the middle two parts of the ip for security reasons of course.
Quote from: Lork on October 14, 2010, 12:06:57 AM
here's a twist, ghrt is Si in disguise
so he registered on fof earlier, checked his ip address as per usual for new members, turns out the same ip was shared with another member, Si_ffcuk
http://img812.imageshack.us/i/ipsblocked.jpg/ (http://img812.imageshack.us/i/ipsblocked.jpg/)
looking into it a bit more, came up with something interesting. sometimes fof has errors and these get saved so admins can look at them. si_ffcuk attempted to quote a post by LB, but no post was made. 20 seconds later, si_ffcuk had logged out. a minute later, ghrt had quoted and replied to the same post si_ffcuk attempted to. so, considering the times add up and the shared ip, the only conclusion you can make is that si was about to reply to LB's post, realised he was in the wrong account, logged out and logged back in as ghrt
http://img543.imageshack.us/f/quotepostblocked.jpg/ (http://img543.imageshack.us/f/quotepostblocked.jpg/)
then later this evening, both si and ghrt were on, with the same ip again.
http://img836.imageshack.us/i/sameiponlineblocked.jpg/ (http://img836.imageshack.us/i/sameiponlineblocked.jpg/)
so unless there's a massive coincidence and there's a perfectly reasonable explanation, there's only one thing you can conclude, and that is they are both the same person.
be interesting to hear your thoughts. i blocked out the middle two parts of the ip for security reasons of course.
top notch detective work, if this is true then it means that Si ffc set up the GHRT character to drive people off Tiff and onto the new website that he created..... maybe you should post that on Tiff?
Is there any possibility that they could coincidentally use the same one consistently??
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on October 14, 2010, 12:12:17 AM
Quote from: Lork on October 14, 2010, 12:06:57 AM
here's a twist, ghrt is Si in disguise
so he registered on fof earlier, checked his ip address as per usual for new members, turns out the same ip was shared with another member, Si_ffcuk
http://img812.imageshack.us/i/ipsblocked.jpg/ (http://img812.imageshack.us/i/ipsblocked.jpg/)
looking into it a bit more, came up with something interesting. sometimes fof has errors and these get saved so admins can look at them. si_ffcuk attempted to quote a post by LB, but no post was made. 20 seconds later, si_ffcuk had logged out. a minute later, ghrt had quoted and replied to the same post si_ffcuk attempted to. so, considering the times add up and the shared ip, the only conclusion you can make is that si was about to reply to LB's post, realised he was in the wrong account, logged out and logged back in as ghrt
http://img543.imageshack.us/f/quotepostblocked.jpg/ (http://img543.imageshack.us/f/quotepostblocked.jpg/)
then later this evening, both si and ghrt were on, with the same ip again.
http://img836.imageshack.us/i/sameiponlineblocked.jpg/ (http://img836.imageshack.us/i/sameiponlineblocked.jpg/)
so unless there's a massive coincidence and there's a perfectly reasonable explanation, there's only one thing you can conclude, and that is they are both the same person.
be interesting to hear your thoughts. i blocked out the middle two parts of the ip for security reasons of course.
top notch detective work, if this is true then it means that Si ffc set up the GHRT character to drive people off Tiff and onto the new website that he created..... maybe you should post that on Tiff?
Is there any possibility that they could coincidentally use the same one consistently??
not gonna speculate as to why... i have posted this on tiff though. it would be an amazing if they share ip and never mentioned each other on either messageboard despite being online at the same time, and anyway the whole quote - log out - log in thing sort of erases all doubt.
Quote from: Lork on October 14, 2010, 12:06:57 AM
...it would be an amazing if they share ip and never mentioned each other on either messageboard despite being online at the same time,
Lork, there is nothing amazing about that at all.
Quite the contrary in fact...users online from same IP happens all the time, one of the reasons users get accused of being others when spamming occurs.
I myself am on 02/Be (from home), same time as other users from that IP, doesn't mean I need or ought to acknowledge/mention them when I post.
Pretty wild / reckless accusation to make mate, surely this ought to have been run by the person in question instead of posting what is essentially an accusing post on the boards.
I have just watched the DVD of Sherlock Holmes (Downey Jr) and came on here and discovered SherLORK Holmes is on FOF.
The accusation is easily answered if needs be but it is a fair point to bring up.
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 14, 2010, 12:51:07 AM
I have just watched the DVD of Sherlock Holmes (Downey Jr) and came on here and discovered SherLORK Holmes is on FOF.
The accusation is easily answered if needs be but it is a fair point to bring up.
Still think it should have been run by the individuals concerned first, people jump to conclusions too quickly online....reputations are made & broken on the back of things like this.
Quote from: Craven on October 14, 2010, 12:49:26 AM
Quote from: Lork on October 14, 2010, 12:06:57 AM
...it would be an amazing if they share ip and never mentioned each other on either messageboard despite being online at the same time,
Lork, there is nothing amazing about that at all.
Quite the contrary in fact...users online from same IP happens all the time, one of the reasons users get accused of being others when spamming occurs.
I myself am on 02/Be (from home), same time as other users from that IP, doesn't mean I need or ought to acknowledge/mention them when I post.
Pretty wild / reckless accusation to make mate, surely this ought to have been run by the person in question instead of posting what is essentially an accusing post on the boards.
Sorry mate. I have seen the facts. Push on. The facts are clear and he is just trying to be clever for purposes I won't say out loud. He is also trying to drive the TiFFers nutty so they will go on the other message board. I see you are a TFI guy. Stay there.
Quote from: RidgeRider on October 14, 2010, 12:56:57 AM
Sorry mate. I have seen the facts. Push on. The facts are clear and he is just trying to be clever for purposes I won't say out loud. He is also trying to drive the TiFFers nutty so they will go on the other message board. I see you are a TFI guy. Stay there.
No, please do say out loud, seems it's fair game here. Yes I am indeed a TFi guy, have been from day one ('97) in fact. 'Stay There', that's a welcoming comment ain't it, plan to stay for a while if you don't mind.
Quote from: Craven on October 14, 2010, 12:56:28 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 14, 2010, 12:51:07 AM
I have just watched the DVD of Sherlock Holmes (Downey Jr) and came on here and discovered SherLORK Holmes is on FOF.
The accusation is easily answered if needs be but it is a fair point to bring up.
Still think it should have been run by the individuals concerned first, people jump to conclusions too quickly online....reputations are made & broken on the back of things like this.
mate if i am wrong then i will of course make a full, humble apology.
i went off this which says you can't have the same ip at the same time, yet they were both logged in at the same time with the same ip
http://www.computing.net/answers/security/same-ip-address-as-someone-else/5645.html (http://www.computing.net/answers/security/same-ip-address-as-someone-else/5645.html)
Quote from: Craven on October 14, 2010, 01:01:49 AM
Quote from: RidgeRider on October 14, 2010, 12:56:57 AM
Sorry mate. I have seen the facts. Push on. The facts are clear and he is just trying to be clever for purposes I won't say out loud. He is also trying to drive the TiFFers nutty so they will go on the other message board. I see you are a TFI guy. Stay there.
No, please do say out loud, seems it's fair game here. Yes I am indeed a TFi guy, have been from day one in fact. 'Stay There', that's a welcoming comment ain't it, plan to stay for a while if you don't mind.
If you had actually read the links Lork posted to see what happened, then you wouldn't be coming on here saying what you said. The facts are clear. Why do we care what happens on the other boards? Did we make it up just to do what we think he is up to? We moderate and what we care about is what happens here, first and foremost, so we don't want posters like him on this board and we felt it was the right thing to do to let the other board know what we know. If you don't like it, too bad. You are welcome to go elsewhere.
If you want to continue to post here, you will be respectful, if you can't be, you won't be posting.
Quote from: Lork on October 14, 2010, 01:03:55 AM
mate if i am wrong then i will of course make a full, humble apology.
i went off this which says you can't have the same ip at the same time, yet they were both logged in at the same time with the same ip
http://www.computing.net/answers/security/same-ip-address-as-someone-else/5645.html (http://www.computing.net/answers/security/same-ip-address-as-someone-else/5645.html)
Hi Lork, thanks for the reply.
Am about to turn in for the night but out of curiosity, have you run this by any of the rest of your mods before posting, or just put 2+2 together and gone with it. Am as intrigued as everyone else....just stand by my comment that this could have been handled better. Who knows....see what happens next I guess.
Cheers again Lork, and have to say, like the site :045:
Quote from: RidgeRider on October 14, 2010, 01:09:30 AM
you will be respectful, if you can't be, you won't be posting.
Ridge, have I been disrespectful? No. Merely coming here to find out the background to Lork's postings.
Before you make more threats to my continued posting here, just sit back and count to 10 first, it's a great tip.
I'm off now, back tomorrow to see what developments there are.
Quote from: Craven on October 14, 2010, 01:09:46 AM
Quote from: Lork on October 14, 2010, 01:03:55 AM
mate if i am wrong then i will of course make a full, humble apology.
i went off this which says you can't have the same ip at the same time, yet they were both logged in at the same time with the same ip
http://www.computing.net/answers/security/same-ip-address-as-someone-else/5645.html (http://www.computing.net/answers/security/same-ip-address-as-someone-else/5645.html)
Hi Lork, thanks for the reply.
Am about to turn in for the night but out of curiosity, have you run this by any of the rest of your mods before posting, or just put 2+2 together and gone with it. Am as intrigued as everyone else....just stand by my comment that this could have been handled better. Who knows....see what happens next I guess.
Cheers again Lork, and have to say, like the site :045:
yes, i ran it by all the mods that were online in the last 4 hours which is all but 1 and they all agreed ghrt and si must be the same person.
thanks for the compliment, it's a tidy site isn't it! ruled with an iron fist :54: hope to see more posts from you in the future
Lork,
Interesting point you bring up regarding the same IP being used twice on the same site. In theory it is quite possible: I have a single IP address as far as my ISP is concerned, though I do run a router and switch on my own private network, that being said, each will have a private IP issued by my own router acting as a DCHP server, but is that private IP address visible once it gets outside of my home network?
I am aware that the individual private IP addresses are wrapped in the main IP address when sending packets out to sites such as these, but only so that packets returned are routed correctly inside the private network again, but what does the site server see? If it is the public IP address, then that would mean that I could have two boxes running concurrently pointed at the same site, both using the same (public) IP address. :58:
Quote from: Logicalman on October 14, 2010, 02:10:34 AM
Lork,
Interesting point you bring up regarding the same IP being used twice on the same site. In theory it is quite possible: I have a single IP address as far as my ISP is concerned, though I do run a router and switch on my own private network, that being said, each will have a private IP issued by my own router acting as a DCHP server, but is that private IP address visible once it gets outside of my home network?
I am aware that the individual private IP addresses are wrapped in the main IP address when sending packets out to sites such as these, but only so that packets returned are routed correctly inside the private network again, but what does the site server see? If it is the public IP address, then that would mean that I could have two boxes running concurrently pointed at the same site, both using the same (public) IP address. :58:
I can help on this one. It depends if you have a sitting tenant. Have they signed an agreement for sitting or standing. Also If the Sun is behind a cloud and it is a Tuesday then it goes without saying so I wont bother to bore you. Now your boxes have to be empty but one has to walk before it can run. This only is wrapped up on special occasions. Or as we say in Britain, Occasions that are a bit special. Never use a public one because you just never know who has been there before. There is such a thing as a shy router. Once it is away from the home network you just have to let it do what it wants. Hope this helps. Lork can fill in the rest.
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 14, 2010, 02:44:32 AM
Quote from: Logicalman on October 14, 2010, 02:10:34 AM
Lork,
Interesting point you bring up regarding the same IP being used twice on the same site. In theory it is quite possible: I have a single IP address as far as my ISP is concerned, though I do run a router and switch on my own private network, that being said, each will have a private IP issued by my own router acting as a DCHP server, but is that private IP address visible once it gets outside of my home network?
I am aware that the individual private IP addresses are wrapped in the main IP address when sending packets out to sites such as these, but only so that packets returned are routed correctly inside the private network again, but what does the site server see? If it is the public IP address, then that would mean that I could have two boxes running concurrently pointed at the same site, both using the same (public) IP address. :58:
I can help on this one. It depends if you have a sitting tenant. Have they signed an agreement for sitting or standing. Also If the Sun is behind a cloud and it is a Tuesday then it goes without saying so I wont bother to bore you. Now your boxes have to be empty but one has to walk before it can run. This only is wrapped up on special occasions. Or as we say in Britain, Occasions that are a bit special. Never use a public one because you just never know who has been there before. There is such a thing as a shy router. Once it is away from the home network you just have to let it do what it wants. Hope this helps. Lork can fill in the rest.
You really are a talent. :Sparkyticus:
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 14, 2010, 02:44:32 AM
I can help on this one. It depends if you have a sitting tenant. Have they signed an agreement for sitting or standing. Also If the Sun is behind a cloud and it is a Tuesday then it goes without saying so I wont bother to bore you. Now your boxes have to be empty but one has to walk before it can run. This only is wrapped up on special occasions. Or as we say in Britain, Occasions that are a bit special. Never use a public one because you just never know who has been there before. There is such a thing as a shy router. Once it is away from the home network you just have to let it do what it wants. Hope this helps. Lork can fill in the rest.
Since Mr. Lork first posted his thing about split personalities and IPs, this post by M. Lighthouse is the only thing I've understood fully.
I'm not sure why having two accounts is a bad thing, by the way. Over on FulhamUSA.com we had a guy named Christian who had two accounts, and he's ... . Hmmmm. Okay, I can see the concern. Never ind.
Just to stick my oar in here...
I don't know the truth of the matter behind the GHRT/Si connection, but I do know both Si and Craven personally and can verify that they are both true and decent chaps, although Craven is a bit of an ungulate loving deviant. This seems to be quite coincidental that they have the same IP, but if they are with an internet provider there is every chance that they could be sharing the same public IP which would be displayed on this forum.
I've previously lost my access to TIFF due to having the same home IP as someone who had been banned, so as far as I'm concerned, the evidence given is speculative.
I love this MB. It is like being in the Freemasons. Any moment now we'll be asked to produce a black ball if we don't want someone as a member.
Being the Humanist that I am I do believe that someone has to cause offence before they are banned and that we should not prejudge anyone until that moment manifests itself. Until then let us dispense with the Pol Pot like regime and give them the benefit of the doubt before lining them up to be shot.
Meanwhile get the blindfold, roll up the trouser leg and place a noose around the neck of our latest member and let's welcome him into the sanctuary.
I cant understand why the Mods didn't just seek my advice on all this computer technical stuff.
Wonderful stuff.
I have no way of judging the technical arguments but if it's true it's an incredible effort for no discernible sensible effect. This would be the equivalent of industrial sabotage but I assume that these forums are non profit making so what on earth would be the point.
I'd give GHRT the benefit of the doubt but insist he stays in character.
The real problem is the TIFF format, beloved of it's users, but which gives trolls maximum satisfaction and users maximum annoyance because all new posts instantly appear at the top of the board pushing into archive the interesting stuff. The trolls are also guaranteed anonymity short of the sort of forensic investigation which may or may not have been uncovered here.
More please.
Si's response, pulled from tiff:
Christ, how many IP addresses have you blocked! Have spent an hour trying to get a proxy that works on here. GHRT is not me. I run two business and have a new marital home to decorate etc. Where do you think I find teh bloody time to post on here as well as keep an eye on TFI. I set-up a fake account on both TFI & FoF so that GHRT would not monopolise TFI. Should have told LBno11 and the other Mods at FoF but I didn't so that was wrong. The GHRT that has been causing pain on here is nothing to do with me so I would appreciate it if this thread was removed. Thanks in advance.
thoughts?
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on October 14, 2010, 08:53:24 AM
Quote from: The Equalizer on October 14, 2010, 07:17:02 AM
Just to stick my oar in here...
I don't know the truth of the matter behind the GHRT/Si connection, but I do know both Si and Craven personally and can verify that they are both true and decent chaps, although Craven is a bit of an ungulate loving deviant. This seems to be quite coincidental that they have the same IP, but if they are with an internet provider there is every chance that they could be sharing the same public IP which would be displayed on this forum.
I've previously lost my access to TIFF due to having the same home IP as someone who had been banned, so as far as I'm concerned, the evidence given is speculative.
Does this mean Lork has dropped a bollock ? :011: .
HAHA Fred, we should have checked in first. There is more to this than the same IP address, which was outlined in Lork's post. I support Lork's actions in this matter. We have averted a problem and potentially uncovered something rather silly.
I know one or two things about IPs and IP checkers (as most of you by now know, I became a Fulham fan because of Airfix and because we are both heading the admin team in a 60.000+ online game :017:) .
1) it all depends on your ISP. Until recently I had a fixed IP. As the company changed, it was easier (and cheaper) for them to fluctuate my IP. If I log in to the internet, I will get a new IP address. (You can check that Lork: I will have an address starting with 94. that will fluctuate and one will 134. that is fixed). One link can be pure coincidence but if there is a pattern, there is no doubt.
2) if I recall correctly - from reading Tiff before I got annoyed with it - GHRT said he could change his IP easily (by using a proxy). If he is a bit handy with this - and since all IP are public on Tiff - he can hide behind the IP of someone else. That would mean he bought a program that allows for that (and makes him an even bigger WUM). As I am naturally attracted to the world of IPs (3 years doing IP checks does leave marks), it was clear to me that GHRT was able to hide behind a proxy.
I think the one in the Book depository was a patsy. There was a flash from the grassy knoll.
I too have a fluctuating proxy. Seeing the Docs about my IP problems. But it may simply be age.
Some of us are different people who post on the same computer at the same time. Don't we lads and little Sarah? Yes we do, yeah, oh yes, hi big boy, yes but stop hitting me.
So I guess it comes down to this, if a thread annoys the Mods, they can pluck it out.
Quote from: sipwell on October 14, 2010, 10:03:25 AM
I know one or two things about IPs and IP checkers (as most of you by now know, I became a Fulham fan because of Airfix and because we are both heading the admin team in a 60.000+ online game :017:) .
1) it all depends on your ISP. Until recently I had a fixed IP. As the company changed, it was easier (and cheaper) for them to fluctuate my IP. If I log in to the internet, I will get a new IP address. (You can check that Lork: I will have an address starting with 94. that will fluctuate and one will 134. that is fixed). One link can be pure coincidence but if there is a pattern, there is no doubt.
2) if I recall correctly - from reading Tiff before I got annoyed with it - GHRT said he could change his IP easily (by using a proxy). If he is a bit handy with this - and since all IP are public on Tiff - he can hide behind the IP of someone else. That would mean he bought a program that allows for that (and makes him an even bigger WUM). As I am naturally attracted to the world of IPs (3 years doing IP checks does leave marks), it was clear to me that GHRT was able to hide behind a proxy.
So basically, you're a massive geek? :59:
So, let me get this straight - Lork's a good guy, Si is a good guy, Craven is a good guy, Sipwell is a bit iffy and GHRT we are definitely concerned about! :011:
I just tried to get onto the new TFI and was met with this message for the first time -
Too Many Connections
There are currently too many connections to this server. Please check back again in 30 seconds.
I guess all publicity is good publicity - right?? :005:
On a serious note thanks to Lork, Ridgey and the guys for all the unseen work they do protecting and enhancing this site. Wumming and Trolling is becoming a more popular pastime by the day and all boards and forums seem to be under constant attack from the mentally unhinged.
As for Lork dropping a bollock, I was of the understanding that he was still waiting for that happy day!! :58:
Quote from: White Noise on October 14, 2010, 10:26:57 AM
As for Lork dropping a bollock, I was of the understanding that he was still waiting for that happy day!! :58:
Perhaps Fred will lend him his nylons, so at least it won't roll away when dropped.
na no bollock was dropped, si's admitted to having the ghrt account on here and has offered an explanation. whether you want to believe that is up to you, i thought it was a bit out of character too but dunno why he'd make an account on here.
Quote from: Logicalman on October 14, 2010, 10:30:38 AM
Quote from: White Noise on October 14, 2010, 10:26:57 AM
As for Lork dropping a bollock, I was of the understanding that he was still waiting for that happy day!! :58:
Perhaps Fred will lend him his nylons, so at least it won't roll away when dropped.
HAHAHA, bloody cheek
read all 4 pages of this thread and i'm still wondering what's happening :005:
Quote from: The Equalizer on October 14, 2010, 10:09:58 AM
So basically, you're a massive geek? :59:
I still have a given Hamburg picture of you, so "shush" :P
Quote from: Lork on October 14, 2010, 10:45:37 AM
na no bollock was dropped, si's admitted to having the ghrt account on here and has offered an explanation. whether you want to believe that is up to you, i thought it was a bit out of character too but dunno why he'd make an account on here.
Quote from: Logicalman on October 14, 2010, 10:30:38 AM
Quote from: White Noise on October 14, 2010, 10:26:57 AM
As for Lork dropping a bollock, I was of the understanding that he was still waiting for that happy day!! :58:
Perhaps Fred will lend him his nylons, so at least it won't roll away when dropped.
HAHAHA, bloody cheek
Si has told me that he did it to prevent GHRT from registering on this website and wumming us as well. Done in the best interests, but probably the wrong way to achieve it. He should've contacted the Guvnors first...
And Lork, I think it would've been polite for you to have messaged Si before posting on here and TIFF as poor Si has now become a bit of a pariah...
Quote from: The Equalizer on October 14, 2010, 11:24:03 AM
Quote from: Lork on October 14, 2010, 10:45:37 AM
na no bollock was dropped, si's admitted to having the ghrt account on here and has offered an explanation. whether you want to believe that is up to you, i thought it was a bit out of character too but dunno why he'd make an account on here.
Quote from: Logicalman on October 14, 2010, 10:30:38 AM
Quote from: White Noise on October 14, 2010, 10:26:57 AM
As for Lork dropping a bollock, I was of the understanding that he was still waiting for that happy day!! :58:
Perhaps Fred will lend him his nylons, so at least it won't roll away when dropped.
HAHAHA, bloody cheek
Si has told me that he did it to prevent GHRT from registering on this website and wumming us as well. Done in the best interests, but probably the wrong way to achieve it. He should've contacted the Guvnors first...
And Lork, I think it would've been polite for you to have messaged Si before posting on here and TIFF as poor Si has now become a bit of a pariah...
What doesnt add up is why he registered but continued to write in the same way that GHRT did on tiff. Surely if he just wanted GHRT not to register he would have taken the name but never posted on the site??
Lots of people are coming out to say Si is a good bloke etc, but it seems pretty coincidental that he sets up a new website just before some guy by the name of GHRT starte terrorising tiff.
I back Lork in this, if Si has nothing to hide then he should not be embarrassed, Lork did the right thing in telling people when he smelt a rat.
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on October 14, 2010, 11:33:08 AM
Quote from: The Equalizer on October 14, 2010, 11:24:03 AM
Quote from: Lork on October 14, 2010, 10:45:37 AM
na no bollock was dropped, si's admitted to having the ghrt account on here and has offered an explanation. whether you want to believe that is up to you, i thought it was a bit out of character too but dunno why he'd make an account on here.
Quote from: Logicalman on October 14, 2010, 10:30:38 AM
Quote from: White Noise on October 14, 2010, 10:26:57 AM
As for Lork dropping a bollock, I was of the understanding that he was still waiting for that happy day!! :58:
Perhaps Fred will lend him his nylons, so at least it won't roll away when dropped.
HAHAHA, bloody cheek
Si has told me that he did it to prevent GHRT from registering on this website and wumming us as well. Done in the best interests, but probably the wrong way to achieve it. He should've contacted the Guvnors first...
And Lork, I think it would've been polite for you to have messaged Si before posting on here and TIFF as poor Si has now become a bit of a pariah...
What doesnt add up is why he registered but continued to write in the same way that GHRT did on tiff. Surely if he just wanted GHRT not to register he would have taken the name but never posted on the site??
Lots of people are coming out to say Si is a good bloke etc, but it seems pretty coincidental that he sets up a new website just before some guy by the name of GHRT starte terrorising tiff.
I back Lork in this, if Si has nothing to hide then he should not be embarrassed, Lork did the right thing in telling people when he smelt a rat.
exactly. he set up the account as protection/a dummy then... used it to write as ghrt?
Well we already have Mr Tizzard from the offal on here, cant be no worse than him.
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on October 14, 2010, 11:49:20 AM
Well we already have Mr Tizzard from the offal on here, cant be no worse than him.
Bloody hell Fred- if that's true then we are up the proverbial creek without a paddle. What name does Tizzard post under? :035:
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on October 14, 2010, 11:49:20 AM
Well we already have Mr Tizzard from the offal on here, cant be no worse than him.
read some of his posts at the offal,blimeyyyy the guy is deranged!
Quote from: fulhamwannabe on October 14, 2010, 12:17:34 PM
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on October 14, 2010, 11:49:20 AM
Well we already have Mr Tizzard from the offal on here, cant be no worse than him.
read some of his posts at the offal,blimeyyyy the guy is deranged!
Really?
...I have received a personal e-mail from Si and I think he should be given the right to respond on here - would any mods on here please advise if they object to me re-instating his membership.
Thanks...
I think there should be a rule banning
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Bugger, that didn't work very well... I'll get my coat.
Quote from: Burt on October 14, 2010, 01:39:02 PM
I think there should be a rule banning
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I agree
Quote from: Burt on October 14, 2010, 01:39:02 PM
I think there should be a rule banning
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did you mean...
HUGE FONT THAT SCROLLS ACROSS THE SCREEN
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move-size-bold "then words"
Quote from: LBNo11 on October 14, 2010, 12:47:46 PM
...I have received a personal e-mail from Si and I think he should be given the right to respond on here - would any mods on here please advise if they object to me re-instating his membership.
Thanks...
Can't we just have a show trial.
Quote from: TonyGilroy on October 14, 2010, 02:03:03 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on October 14, 2010, 12:47:46 PM
...I have received a personal e-mail from Si and I think he should be given the right to respond on here - would any mods on here please advise if they object to me re-instating his membership.
Thanks...
Can't we just have a show trial.
+1, I will get the Stalinist Uniforms in...
right well here's some new stuff
ghrt acknowledged on tiff yesterday that he registered on fof. this post also shared the ip of another tiff member, whether that's a coincidence i don't know, i imagine not since 'pearcey' was defending ghrt quite alot.
http://img684.imageshack.us/f/morethanoneperson.jpg/ (http://img684.imageshack.us/f/morethanoneperson.jpg/)
then the ip that ghrt and si shared on here also appeared when ghrt made a post on tiff yesterday afternoon
http://img251.imageshack.us/f/ghrttiffsameipfofblocke.jpg/ (http://img251.imageshack.us/f/ghrttiffsameipfofblocke.jpg/)
not only that but the email which si used to register the ghrt account was also used to email a tiffer (a while back) under the persona of ghrt. its in the ghrt thread on tiff but if you missed it, here's the 'reveal'
http://img524.imageshack.us/f/emails.jpg/ (http://img524.imageshack.us/f/emails.jpg/)
and a couple of months ago when ghrt first appeared on tiff si shared the ip with 'GHRT', a different account.
http://img810.imageshack.us/f/ips2earlierblocked.jpg/ (http://img810.imageshack.us/f/ips2earlierblocked.jpg/)
made a topic under it too
http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=5924.msg56472#msg56472 (http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=5924.msg56472#msg56472)
intruiging.... back to fruity loops and a packet of smarties now.
Quote from: LBNo11 on October 14, 2010, 12:47:46 PM
...I have received a personal e-mail from Si and I think he should be given the right to respond on here - would any mods on here please advise if they object to me re-instating his membership.
Thanks...
Si was banned? This beggars belief. Is this a Fulham messageboard open to Fulham supporters, or is it a witch-hunt? I openly admit that he did something wrong, but he did it with good intentions, and as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong), he did nothing to offend any of the other posters on here. I can't say that I'm happy about this.
Quote from: The Equalizer on October 14, 2010, 02:12:05 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on October 14, 2010, 12:47:46 PM
...I have received a personal e-mail from Si and I think he should be given the right to respond on here - would any mods on here please advise if they object to me re-instating his membership.
Thanks...
Si was banned? This beggars belief. Is this a Fulham messageboard open to Fulham supporters, or is it a witch-hunt? I openly admit that he did something wrong, but he did it with good intentions, and as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong), he did nothing to offend any of the other posters on here. I can't say that I'm happy about this.
Sorry Eq, but if he has been posing as GHRT (as the evidence provided by Lork seems to suggest) then he should be ashamed. He was single handedly responsible for trying to drive people away from tiff and (it appears) was about to start the same thing on here.
Quote from: The Equalizer on October 14, 2010, 02:12:05 PM
Quote from: LBNo11 on October 14, 2010, 12:47:46 PM
...I have received a personal e-mail from Si and I think he should be given the right to respond on here - would any mods on here please advise if they object to me re-instating his membership.
Thanks...
Si was banned? This beggars belief. Is this a Fulham messageboard open to Fulham supporters, or is it a witch-hunt? I openly admit that he did something wrong, but he did it with good intentions, and as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong), he did nothing to offend any of the other posters on here. I can't say that I'm happy about this.
mate a ban is never ever taken lightly, whether it's someone new or someone like si who has been on fulham messageboards for a while. but 'GHRT' was riling people on tiff, on purpose, and the links with si are too strong to ignore. his si_ffcuk account is no longer suspended so he's free to post on here and defend himself.
On TIFF, all that was proved was that they were using the same IP proxy service - do an IP lookup, you'll see some random Bolivian address with no domain contact details - quite clearly a proxy service.
The reason he was using this on TIFF was because his own IP range from whatever his provider was, was blocked. And as it happens, GHRT was also banned from TIFF.
The evidence from FoF isn't refutable, as he's openly admitted opening the account. On TIFF Si is not GHRT, I 100% back him on this.
My question is why would you ban Si from here for alleged actions on another forum? That's not a decision taken lightly, that's a witch-hunt.
Quote from: The Equalizer on October 14, 2010, 02:25:41 PM
On TIFF, all that was proved was that they were using the same IP proxy service - do an IP lookup, you'll see some random Bolivian address with no domain contact details - quite clearly a proxy service.
The reason he was using this on TIFF was because his own IP range from whatever his provider was, was blocked. And as it happens, GHRT was also banned from TIFF.
The evidence from FoF isn't refutable, as he's openly admitted opening the account. On TIFF Si is not GHRT, I 100% back him on this.
My question is why would you ban Si from here for alleged actions on another forum? That's not a decision taken lightly, that's a witch-hunt.
1) He started posting in a very GHRT-like way when he joined FoF, so the Mods took a course of action to stop him destroying the board. Why would he bother posting as GHRT if he was signing up as him purely to stop the 'real' perputrator??
2) Si barely posts on here theses days anyway because he has T-f-i, so I think you are overeacting here.
Quote from: The Equalizer on October 14, 2010, 02:25:41 PM
On TIFF, all that was proved was that they were using the same IP proxy service - do an IP lookup, you'll see some random Bolivian address with no domain contact details - quite clearly a proxy service.
The reason he was using this on TIFF was because his own IP range from whatever his provider was, was blocked. And as it happens, GHRT was also banned from TIFF.
The evidence from FoF isn't refutable, as he's openly admitted opening the account. On TIFF Si is not GHRT, I 100% back him on this.
I have to disagree with that I'm afraid. There is on TIFF from time to time an overlap with the IP used here and used on TIFF by GHRT & Si. That IP does not seem to be a proxy but is genuinly located in Great Britain and hence it is trackable. GHRT does indeed know his ways with proxies and the like but ironically so does Si. That is not a trick you learn easily imo and most people would not even know how to start.
Your last question is legit though (in my view).
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on October 14, 2010, 02:28:42 PM
Quote from: The Equalizer on October 14, 2010, 02:25:41 PM
On TIFF, all that was proved was that they were using the same IP proxy service - do an IP lookup, you'll see some random Bolivian address with no domain contact details - quite clearly a proxy service.
The reason he was using this on TIFF was because his own IP range from whatever his provider was, was blocked. And as it happens, GHRT was also banned from TIFF.
The evidence from FoF isn't refutable, as he's openly admitted opening the account. On TIFF Si is not GHRT, I 100% back him on this.
My question is why would you ban Si from here for alleged actions on another forum? That's not a decision taken lightly, that's a witch-hunt.
1) He started posting in a very GHRT-like way when he joined FoF, so the Mods took a course of action to stop him destroying the board. Why would he bother posting as GHRT if he was signing up as him purely to stop the 'real' perputrator??
2) Si barely posts on here theses days anyway because he has T-f-i, so I think you are overeacting here.
I may be overreacting a little, but I do find that some kind of witch hunt has taken place here for all the wrong reasons. I've not seen anything from the person posting as GHRT on here that was in the slightest way offensive to anyone, quite contrary in fact, I thought the posts, albeit short, were reasonable enough to be displayed on here. Christ, I could be posting as LBNo11 and no-one would know - maybe that's a bad example. :dft012:
I just think that there's got to be a line drawn somewhere if you want to run and promote and successful messageboard, and banning decent and true Fulham supporting folk like Si isn't the way to go. At the end of the day, this is a football forum, not an old-boys member's club.
Quote from: The Equalizer on October 14, 2010, 02:38:08 PM
Quote from: AlFayedsChequebook on October 14, 2010, 02:28:42 PM
Quote from: The Equalizer on October 14, 2010, 02:25:41 PM
On TIFF, all that was proved was that they were using the same IP proxy service - do an IP lookup, you'll see some random Bolivian address with no domain contact details - quite clearly a proxy service.
The reason he was using this on TIFF was because his own IP range from whatever his provider was, was blocked. And as it happens, GHRT was also banned from TIFF.
The evidence from FoF isn't refutable, as he's openly admitted opening the account. On TIFF Si is not GHRT, I 100% back him on this.
My question is why would you ban Si from here for alleged actions on another forum? That's not a decision taken lightly, that's a witch-hunt.
1) He started posting in a very GHRT-like way when he joined FoF, so the Mods took a course of action to stop him destroying the board. Why would he bother posting as GHRT if he was signing up as him purely to stop the 'real' perputrator??
2) Si barely posts on here theses days anyway because he has T-f-i, so I think you are overeacting here.
I may be overreacting a little, but I do find that some kind of witch hunt has taken place here for all the wrong reasons. I've not seen anything from the person posting as GHRT on here that was in the slightest way offensive to anyone, quite contrary in fact, I thought the posts, albeit short, were reasonable enough to be displayed on here. Christ, I could be posting as LBNo11 and no-one would know - maybe that's a bad example. :dft012:
I just think that there's got to be a line drawn somewhere if you want to run and promote and successful messageboard, and banning decent and true Fulham supporting folk like Si isn't the way to go. At the end of the day, this is a football forum, not an old-boys member's club.
Your last line is very true (although could also be used to argue why Si should be culpable and not let off for being a long standing Fulham supporter). I think the issue here is one of deceit. IMO there is something fishy going on, someone is trying to take everyone for a ride.
As far as I am concerned the Mods have always done a good job on this board and long may it continue.
I'm only interested in what goes on here but there is really no doubt that in the run up to the formation of TFI, and since, there have been constant attempts to undermine TIFF.
Anonymous trolls posting crap, GHRT's offensive schtick and now impersonation of regular posters. The "evidence" disclosed here may or may not be solid - I lack the technical knowledge to make a judgment - but I would support banning on here anyone who seems likely to be up to this type of, frankly, sabotage.
Fair point mate. Okay, I want to close this off now as the debate seems to have gone on for far too long.
I fully understand the mods reasons, and it is their prerogative to ban people at whim. However, I am still going to stand fully in Si's court here to back up a mate who made a mistake.
Can we let this lie now, I think enough damage has been done to reputations...
Quote from: The Equalizer on October 14, 2010, 02:49:31 PM
Fair point mate. Okay, I want to close this off now as the debate seems to have gone on for far too long.
I fully understand the mods reasons, and it is their prerogative to ban people at whim. However, I am still going to stand fully in Si's court here to back up a mate who made a mistake.
Can we let this lie now, I think enough damage has been done to reputations...
Consider the issue closed (mods, could we lock the thread?)
yeah sure. eq if you and/or si have any more concerns you wish to raise please don't hesitate to pm me or any of the other mods.
...as a footnote, just to confirm that Si's membership account has been re-opened.
