Poor decision by Khan, when we had just reached a turning point. Especially when many clubs like Burnley and Bournemouth have thrived under stability.
However, Ranieri was the best plan B available, and at least his appointment was swift.
Time will tell.
What turning point? We had one game when we were classier in defeat than previously.
I was really hopeful that Mr Jokanovic would be a long term appointment but its not to be.
Maybe he wasn't as clever as I thought he was?
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on November 14, 2018, 09:48:28 AM
I was really hopeful that Mr Jokanovic would be a long term appointment but its not to be.
Maybe he wasn't as clever as I thought he was?
Or maybe those in charge aren't as clever as they like to think they are..
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on November 14, 2018, 09:48:28 AM
I was really hopeful that Mr Jokanovic would be a long term appointment but its not to be.
Maybe he wasn't as clever as I thought he was?
I think his undoing was simply due to our poor recruitment policy and having so many new players who didn't have an emotional attachment to our promotion success and therefore the club and slavisa.
I think this was taken surprisingly early, but having been done relatively early we've now got no excuse. Never thought I'd see ranieri take charge at Fulham. Last time I was following a team in the same league it was when he was leading Chelsea.. and Chelsea were more a Leicester mould club then before the abramovich era.
Hopefully his credibility will get the players onside.
It'll be interesting to see how this effects mitrovic though as their relationship being so close was obviously key to his confidence in playing for the club.
Quote from: ron on November 14, 2018, 09:47:11 AM
What turning point? We had one game when we were classier in defeat than previously.
Exactly, people called City in the cup a 'turning point' because we didn't get completely thrashed, and then we lost to Huddersfield
Quote from: simplyfulham on November 14, 2018, 09:54:30 AM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on November 14, 2018, 09:48:28 AM
I was really hopeful that Mr Jokanovic would be a long term appointment but its not to be.
Maybe he wasn't as clever as I thought he was?
Or maybe those in charge aren't as clever as they like to think they are..
Agree. Until they give the manager control of player recruitment this situation won't change. Or just let Tony Khan pick the team as he signs the players
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The vote of confidence did for slava. Very poor decision IMO.
Ranieri more or less guarantees relegation.... He has been lucky in his career, he was poor at Chelsea with an abundance of talent and his last season at Leicester spoke volumes
Khan's ridiculous transfer policy has done for slava... I think they are repeating previous errors.
I still really rate Jokanovic, but one possible big weakness in himself is his not so good English and communication skills, which may have undermined him in a dressing room full of new players.
This lack of good communication skills can be fine when folk know you, and even endearing, but to have to try to deal with a whole new bunch of people, etc not so good.
I had noticed the last few months press conferences and interviews that what last year seemed a very strong, stoic personality had turned into a sometimes unintelligible, mumbling one. I bet he is happy to be let free in a way.
Quote from: nose on November 14, 2018, 10:05:12 AM
The vote of confidence did for slava. Very poor decision IMO.
Ranieri more or less guarantees relegation.... He has been lucky in his career, he was poor at Chelsea with an abundance of talent and his last season at Leicester spoke volumes
Khan's ridiculous transfer policy has done for slava... I think they are repeating previous errors.
Don't think many Chelsea fans or Leicester fans will agree with any of that.
You can blame the transfer policy but the manager has the responsibility to get them fighting and look organised to which we have seen little to none of that from the side all year
A touch defensive is the official announcement by Shahid Khan, and that says is all for me, lacking the authority and the confidence of a clear move to do better. I hope it turns out better than the actions suggest. Unfortunately we will now never know what might have been.
Nothing more to say than let us see how the new man gets on.
Quote from: nose on November 14, 2018, 10:05:12 AM
The vote of confidence did for slava. Very poor decision IMO.
Ranieri more or less guarantees relegation.... He has been lucky in his career, he was poor at Chelsea with an abundance of talent and his last season at Leicester spoke volumes
Khan's ridiculous transfer policy has done for slava... I think they are repeating previous errors.
Winning the Premiership is hardly luck, it's all to do with knowing your players strength and weaknesses, unfortunately this is something I believe Slav struggled with, but we shall see, maybe Sess actually playing further up the field instead of full back.
Quote from: simplyfulham on November 14, 2018, 09:54:30 AM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on November 14, 2018, 09:48:28 AM
I was really hopeful that Mr Jokanovic would be a long term appointment but its not to be.
Maybe he wasn't as clever as I thought he was?
Or maybe those in charge aren't as clever as they like to think they are..
Or maybe they thought he was cleverer than he actually is.
Quote from: nose on November 14, 2018, 10:05:12 AM
The vote of confidence did for slava. Very poor decision IMO.
Ranieri more or less guarantees relegation.... He has been lucky in his career, he was poor at Chelsea with an abundance of talent and his last season at Leicester spoke volumes
Khan's ridiculous transfer policy has done for slava... I think they are repeating previous errors.
It's Tony Khan who should have been sacked.
Think it was the right decision a few weeks later than it should have been taken. We had some wonderful big moments of watching skill and success with Joka. This season confusion and embarrassment were the big problems. So as in all things. Thanks for the memories. Good luck for the future.
New Coach has experience and we can only hope that he is the right man for the job. A good appointment but sad that Joka couldn't continue his success this season.
Their minds must have been made up before the Liverpool game . Very sad day for this Club as personally it shows a lack of decency and style to do it this way. Slav didn't take the greedy option and sign a contract that would have lined his pockets - showing again that he has principles that are rare today. A bad start - yes and mistakes have been made - but is he the only one ? The players need to take a long hard look in the mirror . A head had to roll - it was never going to be Teflon Tony - nepotism is a powerful adversary - so Slav pays the price
Thank you Slav for entertaining us in the way you have, for helping bring on our youth and giving them time and taking us back to the promised land. For me your tenure has been one that brought a smile on my face and gave me so much enjoyment . Wherever you go next may you prosper - and I envy those supporters who will applaud you as you take your place in the dugout .
Thank you for in you I still trust !!!
"Turning point"
??
I think the tide may have been turning after the performance against Liverpool, but what's to say that Joka would have stuck with the same formation/line up against Southampton.
Happy with Raneriei as new manager/coach but this is not a miracle cure, still need the players to be fired up and playing to the best of their abilities.
The timing workd well with the internatonal break, lets hope for a new manager bounce against Southampton.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on November 14, 2018, 10:22:29 AM
Quote from: nose on November 14, 2018, 10:05:12 AM
The vote of confidence did for slava. Very poor decision IMO.
Ranieri more or less guarantees relegation.... He has been lucky in his career, he was poor at Chelsea with an abundance of talent and his last season at Leicester spoke volumes
Khan's ridiculous transfer policy has done for slava... I think they are repeating previous errors.
It's Tony Khan who should have been sacked.
Couldn't agree more.......
Quote from: simplyfulham on November 14, 2018, 09:54:30 AM
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on November 14, 2018, 09:48:28 AM
I was really hopeful that Mr Jokanovic would be a long term appointment but its not to be.
Maybe he wasn't as clever as I thought he was?
Or maybe those in charge aren't as clever as they like to think they are..
Bingo! This all falls on the Kahns. We will see. At least we're not going to play long ball. I think.
Those who have wanted Slavisa out for a while have their day, but even they should recognise the cowardly way the Khans did their stuff. We shouldn't forget how the man who helped to get us into the PL made it easy for the Khans by not negotiating the new contract they couldn't wait to hand out to him, and yet weeks later, they dismiss him in a cruel and underhanded manner. It has been said that Khan Jnr should have been sacked and that would have been a brave and courageous move by our owner, but he just wasn't up to it.
I am sad for Jokanovic but he will have the last laugh in all this. FFC in the meantime face another turbulent period because the Khans continue to make mistakes. The pity is we will not ever know how big a mistake it really is, for like all things past you do not get the chance to change your mind. A really poor show, IMVHO.
Quote from: toshes mate on November 14, 2018, 01:20:59 PM
Those who have wanted Slavisa out for a while have their day, but even they should recognise the cowardly way the Khans did their stuff. We shouldn't forget how the man who helped to get us into the PL made it easy for the Khans by not negotiating the new contract they couldn't wait to hand out to him, and yet weeks later, they dismiss him in a cruel and underhanded manner. It has been said that Khan Jnr should have been sacked and that would have been a brave and courageous move by our owner, but he just wasn't up to it.
I am sad for Jokanovic but he will have the last laugh in all this. FFC in the meantime face another turbulent period because the Khans continue to make mistakes. The pity is we will not ever know how big a mistake it really is, for like all things past you do not get the chance to change your mind. A really poor show, IMVHO.
Fully agree, good post. Jokanovic has been a stoic model professional and deserved a bit better.
Quote from: Tyske on November 14, 2018, 09:44:12 AM
Poor decision by Khan, when we had just reached a turning point. Especially when many clubs like Burnley and Bournemouth have thrived under stability.
However, Ranieri was the best plan B available, and at least his appointment was swift.
Turning Point?? What planet do you come from, it was the owners only option and I fo one am glad he has sacked Slav as he was out of his depth and in denial
Welcome Claudio :54:
Quote from: toshes mate on November 14, 2018, 01:20:59 PM
Those who have wanted Slavisa out for a while have their day, but even they should recognise the cowardly way the Khans did their stuff. We shouldn't forget how the man who helped to get us into the PL made it easy for the Khans by not negotiating the new contract they couldn't wait to hand out to him, and yet weeks later, they dismiss him in a cruel and underhanded manner. It has been said that Khan Jnr should have been sacked and that would have been a brave and courageous move by our owner, but he just wasn't up to it.
I am sad for Jokanovic but he will have the last laugh in all this. FFC in the meantime face another turbulent period because the Khans continue to make mistakes. The pity is we will not ever know how big a mistake it really is, for like all things past you do not get the chance to change your mind. A really poor show, IMVHO.
Its about the club not Slav's feelings get over it!! your obvious hatred for the Khan family is very apparent and out of order.
Turning Point?? What planet do you come from, it was the owners only option and I fo one am glad he has sacked Slav as he was out of his depth and in denial
Welcome Claudio
Your style, grace and gratitude is truly overwhelming
Thanks joka all the best in the future.
welcome Claudio wishing you a very happy and
successful time at F.F.C.
Quote from: KJS on November 14, 2018, 02:25:50 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on November 14, 2018, 01:20:59 PM
Those who have wanted Slavisa out for a while have their day, but even they should recognise the cowardly way the Khans did their stuff. We shouldn't forget how the man who helped to get us into the PL made it easy for the Khans by not negotiating the new contract they couldn't wait to hand out to him, and yet weeks later, they dismiss him in a cruel and underhanded manner. It has been said that Khan Jnr should have been sacked and that would have been a brave and courageous move by our owner, but he just wasn't up to it.
I am sad for Jokanovic but he will have the last laugh in all this. FFC in the meantime face another turbulent period because the Khans continue to make mistakes. The pity is we will not ever know how big a mistake it really is, for like all things past you do not get the chance to change your mind. A really poor show, IMVHO.
Its about the club not Slav's feelings get over it!! your obvious hatred for the Khan family is very apparent and out of order.
It is about human beings and their behaviour towards each other as professionals, but perhaps that just goes way over your head, just as the rest of my comment did.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on November 14, 2018, 10:22:29 AM
Quote from: nose on November 14, 2018, 10:05:12 AM
The vote of confidence did for slava. Very poor decision IMO.
Ranieri more or less guarantees relegation.... He has been lucky in his career, he was poor at Chelsea with an abundance of talent and his last season at Leicester spoke volumes
Khan's ridiculous transfer policy has done for slava... I think they are repeating previous errors.
It's Tony Khan who should have been sacked.
Agree.
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Quote from: Tyske on November 14, 2018, 09:44:12 AM
Poor decision by Khan, when we had just reached a turning point. Especially when many clubs like Burnley and Bournemouth have thrived under stability.
However, Ranieri was the best plan B available, and at least his appointment was swift.
Slav lost the plot.
Quote from: toshes mate on November 14, 2018, 01:20:59 PM
Those who have wanted Slavisa out for a while have their day, but even they should recognise the cowardly way the Khans did their stuff. We shouldn't forget how the man who helped to get us into the PL made it easy for the Khans by not negotiating the new contract they couldn't wait to hand out to him, and yet weeks later, they dismiss him in a cruel and underhanded manner. It has been said that Khan Jnr should have been sacked and that would have been a brave and courageous move by our owner, but he just wasn't up to it.
I am sad for Jokanovic but he will have the last laugh in all this. FFC in the meantime face another turbulent period because the Khans continue to make mistakes. The pity is we will not ever know how big a mistake it really is, for like all things past you do not get the chance to change your mind. A really poor show, IMVHO.
I wouldnt be surprised if there's more to the failure to extend Jokanovic's contract than has been disclosed so far.
I cannot believe it's a coincidence that he didn't sign a contract, his coaches (Gray, Sambade Carreira and Escobar) all left, then he ends up being the first manager sacked this year.
My guess is the Khans were contemplating cutting him loose ever since we got promoted, probably payback for all those press conference digs about Tony and Craig Kline.
Quote from: Statto on November 14, 2018, 03:37:03 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on November 14, 2018, 01:20:59 PM
Those who have wanted Slavisa out for a while have their day, but even they should recognise the cowardly way the Khans did their stuff. We shouldn't forget how the man who helped to get us into the PL made it easy for the Khans by not negotiating the new contract they couldn't wait to hand out to him, and yet weeks later, they dismiss him in a cruel and underhanded manner. It has been said that Khan Jnr should have been sacked and that would have been a brave and courageous move by our owner, but he just wasn't up to it.
I am sad for Jokanovic but he will have the last laugh in all this. FFC in the meantime face another turbulent period because the Khans continue to make mistakes. The pity is we will not ever know how big a mistake it really is, for like all things past you do not get the chance to change your mind. A really poor show, IMVHO.
I wouldnt be surprised if there's more to the failure to extend Jokanovic's contract than has been disclosed so far.
I cannot believe it's a coincidence that he didn't sign a contract, his coaches (Gray, Sambade Carreira and Escobar) all left, then he ends up being the first manager sacked this year.
My guess is the Khans were contemplating cutting him loose ever since we got promoted, probably payback for all those press conference digs about Tony and Craig Kline.
Maybe. We will never know. There is certainly an air of martyrdom about this.
It is about human beings and their behaviour towards each other as professionals, but perhaps that just goes way over your head, just as the rest of my comment did.
You are so very , very right . Even in 'victory ' some of the 'Slav out ' brigade are demonstrating their absolute lack of grace , style and human decency. It's also worth looking back through the history of some of the posters as many were desperate to hang onto Kit - blaming the players for our poor performances . They changed their tune - which makes me wonder whether they ever really took to Slav.
Talk of Martyrdom and talk of still trusting in the coach. It was a plot by Judas and Herod and some of those who didn't like us losing are the zealots and must be punished in the temple.
Come on folks he was a coach who lost a lot of matches by very big scores. We are bottom of the league and haven't actually had a clean sheet and have won once against a side who were knackered after playing in Europe. There is no plot just a coach who did well last year and failed this year. Don't try and make out there is more to it than that.
My worry is that it may affect some players and their loyalty to SJ may affect their mental state in next few months
However, it just couldn't get any worse so it is the right decision despite sentiment and the fact that our football was brilliant last year
Btw - Khans did the sacking in a similar underhand way to KS so nothing new there
Not sure I like this decision and appointment.
We needed to give the manager much more time in my opinion, even if that meant relegation.
No loyalty in football nowadays, look what happened last time we panicked and started sacking managers.
No conspiracy theory at all - just looking at the arguments put forward by some posters then and in recent weeks . Black and white facts no more - no less.
Agree with Baszab that KS sacking wasn't handled well either ( particularly as he was a highly respected player , and lovely bloke - if not a great manager ).
No Respect...shame on you guys.
BTW, can't you see that some of the "supporters" from other London clubs recently got registered to this forum just for fun? No? 064.gif
Quote from: Lighthouse on November 14, 2018, 04:09:10 PM
Talk of Martyrdom and talk of still trusting in the coach. It was a plot by Judas and Herod and some of those who didn't like us losing are the zealots and must be punished in the temple.
Come on folks he was a coach who lost a lot of matches by very big scores. We are bottom of the league and haven't actually had a clean sheet and have won once against a side who were knackered after playing in Europe. There is no plot just a coach who did well last year and failed this year. Don't try and make out there is more to it than that.
Never claimed a plot. The element of martrydom is simply due to the lack of support by the Khans, who relished in the success Jokanovic brought, which was solely down to Slavisa, not them. Even the success of signing Mitrovic was instigated by Slavisa.
The bottom line is.....the players we have just don't seem to be good enough.
I'm not going to blame the Khans for that, they couldn't have done more to try and make us competitive.
We just need to hope that over 38 games, there are three teams worse than us.
Quote from: HV71 on November 14, 2018, 04:00:06 PM
It is about human beings and their behaviour towards each other as professionals, but perhaps that just goes way over your head, just as the rest of my comment did.
You are so very , very right . Even in 'victory ' some of the 'Slav out ' brigade are demonstrating their absolute lack of grace , style and human decency. It's also worth looking back through the history of some of the posters as many were desperate to hang onto Kit - blaming the players for our poor performances . They changed their tune - which makes me wonder whether they ever really took to Slav.
You talk about lack of style grace and human dignity but I wonder if everyone would be so grateful and respectful if it was Big Sam or Moyes in his position and was the outgoing manager. I wonder if the general sentiment would be different.
After Huddersfield for the first time I wanted Slav gone but that was maybe just an angry reaction. I had time to let my emotions simmer down and take everything in. The Liverpool performance convinced me that he needed more time and he did have it in him to turn things around.
Totally shocked by the news this morning. However... the deed is done now. Modern football dictates that if you lose 6 or 7 games in a row then your head is ready for the chop.
I am grateful that the club has actually got a high calibre manager in and we don't have to now face the crazy 5 man commitee merry go round stupidness of years gone by.
Big fan of Slav. Big fan of Ranieri.
Time will tell. January will tell us the most and furthermore, who is pulling the strings.
The show must go on! 049:gif COYW
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on November 14, 2018, 09:57:36 AM
Quote from: ron on November 14, 2018, 09:47:11 AM
What turning point? We had one game when we were classier in defeat than previously.
Exactly, people called City in the cup a 'turning point' because we didn't get completely thrashed, and then we lost to Huddersfield
Yep, Huddersfield was the turning point, sure was for me anyway. All this positive and hopeful chinwagging after the so-called "good" show v Liverpool just didn't cut it for me. Before the SJ sacking, many here saying that Southampton would be a sacking if less than 3 points realized in that tie. BUT, the exact same could have been said regards the Huddersfield tilt. That Hudd game was about a poor a showing of what was supposed to be PL level football as I've ever seen. Just an abomination. The Hudd game was the game that justifies the sacking. Wish SJ well in his future endeavors and thank him for bringing FFC to the PL, but sadly he just wasn't cut out for the top flight, at least not this year.
Quote from: Lighthouse on November 14, 2018, 04:09:10 PM
Talk of Martyrdom .....
Come on folks he was a coach who lost a lot of matches by very big scores. We are bottom of the league and haven't actually had a clean sheet and have won once against a side who were knackered after playing in Europe. There is no plot just a coach who did well last year and failed this year. Don't try and make out there is more to it than that.
Cold hard facts.
What if we had stuck with Slav, lost to Saints and then get thumped by Chelsea, is that a better time to change? No, so this is business like and as much as we all appreciate what he did the last two years losing 7 games in a row in this league is and should be a sackable offence.
BTW I see Ranieri is named as Manager, not first team coach. So hopefully he has the control that Slav never did. Looking forward to seeing Ranieri's backroom staff appointments too.
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Who ever pays the piper calls the tune. There is hardly a top flight club who have their manager in control of transfers. It used to mean wholesale changes after every change of manager. These days players are generally bought for their resale value. Our problem stemmed from having to sign so many loan players due to our FFP situation. These all had to be replaced as at 1st July we only had 13 senior players. We then had to increase the squad size but could not do it early as we were involved in the Play Offs & did not know which division we would be in.
Wenger turned us down apparently.
And Slav was only told 1hr before Ranieri was announced. Ugh....
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on November 14, 2018, 10:22:29 AM
Quote from: nose on November 14, 2018, 10:05:12 AM
The vote of confidence did for slava. Very poor decision IMO.
Ranieri more or less guarantees relegation.... He has been lucky in his career, he was poor at Chelsea with an abundance of talent and his last season at Leicester spoke volumes
Khan's ridiculous transfer policy has done for slava... I think they are repeating previous errors.
It's Tony Khan who should have been sacked.
As well maybe, don't think Joka would have turned things round, maybe nobody else can. I don't think Ranieri is a bad choice, if he can help us get 4 points from the next 6 games, that will be an improvement!
Quote from: rusty shackleford on November 14, 2018, 04:44:16 PM
Wenger turned us down apparently.
And Slav was only told 1hr before Ranieri was announced. Ugh....
Not read anywhere about Wenger, I know we wanted him but I think little out of our league and the challenge that we are.
1hr or 24hr, fact is he was going and the club did an amazing job of this being dealt with quickly and confidentiality, not even the bookies had a clue
You talk about lack of style grace and human dignity but I wonder if everyone would be so grateful and respectful if it was Big Sam or Moyes in his position and was the outgoing manager. I wonder if the general sentiment would be different.
I can only speak for myself - yes it would be different in Big Sam's Case - as I doubt if he understands the meaning of any of the adjectives I used in my post . Just look at what he did with the England job - maybe you found his actions acceptable ? If so that explains almost everything
Quote from: Lighthouse on November 14, 2018, 04:09:10 PM
Come on folks he was a coach who lost a lot of matches by very big scores. We are bottom of the league and haven't actually had a clean sheet and have won once against a side who were knackered after playing in Europe. There is no plot just a coach who did well last year and failed this year. Don't try and make out there is more to it than that.
You don't know if there was a plot or not, mate, just like all of us on this Forum.
Last year, at this very time, we were listening to cries of 'Jokanovic Out' on this very forum. So what changed in the meantime? Promotion and £100m outgoing is what changed, with TK's ego dreaming of being named as MAF's true successor as Fulham take pole position in the PL. Who knows what tales he told his father as he cringed at the thought of being held partially to blame for Fulham's slow start to life in the higher echelons - that is what nepotism buys you. Who knows how fragile TK's ego is to have (had) a mate like Kline for so long before the Fulham saga started and ended it? I have nothing against Khan Jnr as a human being but as Vice Chair and Director of Football Operations - pull the other one! For me the manner of Jokanovic's dismissal is either a really panicky and amateurish piece of theatre or it is a product of a set up by lunatics running the asylum over a period of years (i.e. since they arrived here). Not one single season under any manager has been straightforward at FFC with too much traffic through the incoming recruitment door that failed quality tests and too many good players being sold too earnestly for good sense. Not the sign of careful football brains in charge of the whole.
Quote from: HV71 on November 14, 2018, 04:58:33 PM
You talk about lack of style grace and human dignity but I wonder if everyone would be so grateful and respectful if it was Big Sam or Moyes in his position and was the outgoing manager. I wonder if the general sentiment would be different.
I can only speak for myself - yes it would be different in Big Sam's Case - as I doubt if he understands the meaning of any of the adjectives I used in my post . Just look at what he did with the England job - maybe you found his actions acceptable ? If so that explains almost everything
How do you know Slavisa wouldn't say the same thing? I'm not accusing him of anything but at the same time I'm not acquitting him of anything.
You can only judge by people's actions. It is not a coincidence that the phrase ' In Slav I trust " became popular . Many , not all , on here at least have been able to comment on his dignity and integrity.
Quote from: john dempsey on November 14, 2018, 02:37:09 PM
Thanks joka all the best in the future.
welcome Claudio wishing you a very happy and
successful time at F.F.C.
I echo this but if you haven't already done so, you need to make it clear to T Khan, Talbot and Macintosh that your the football man with the experience and record of relative success so that YOU choose the transfer targets YOU want and they just go and get them.
Failure to say and accomplish this will only lead to a repeat of our previous manager's problems.
