According to our new manager Mr Ranieri our style of football will have to change if we hope to avoid relegation.
He won't mind if we play ugly but win the games.
He won't like it if we play well and lose ( like we did against Man City and Liverpool.
We must expect a type of football that means we are very tight at the back, We will have to defend as a team and attack as a team.
We must start with a win against Southampton. We play Chelsea away the second game , not much chance of getting anything there.
Then we play Leicester at home, another game we must win. Following that we play Man U away not much chance of getting anything there.
All in all we must win our home games and make Craven Cottage a Fortress once again.
More defence based no more flowing football I don't think which will be ok if we achieve wins,think if it doesn't work I expect the boo boys to get on his back especially on boards like this!!
I can see one of my faves - Tom Cairney watching mostly from the sidelines the rest of the season as he showed for Liverpools second that defending isn't his thing.
Tom has been lucky in that his last two managers have been prepared to accept his defensive frailties due to his flair.
I think tinkerman might not give him that much leeway.
All speculation. Let's wait and see
The players will have to change their mentality very quickly, and realise this will be no holiday camp.
The players contributed to getting us in this mess, not all of them, but a large percentage of them.
Claudio has no doubt been given his orders as to why he has been brought on board his pirate ship, he knows he is expected to deliver, and he will leave no stone unturned, and who can blame him.
His remit is to prevent Fulham going back down whatever it takes.
So let's let him get on with the job his way, and hope he and the players can do what's needed, and without any interference from amateurs like the Chairmans son, who was the one person who should have been dismissed, not Slavisa.
I think we'll go with two DM. He liked that in Kante and Drinkwater. Expecting Zambo and KMac/Chambers Infront of a back 4 of Odoi RB, Mawson, MLM CB and Bryan LB
Cairney will still be vital under Ranieri he may be pushed further forward with 2 DMs behind him
Quote from: JoelH5 on November 16, 2018, 11:54:26 PM
I think we'll go with two DM. He liked that in Kante and Drinkwater. Expecting Zambo and KMac/Chambers Infront of a back 4 of Odoi RB, Mawson, MLM CB and Bryan LB
Is Bryan a good defender? I know his name comes up a lot, and he's naturally left footed...but he hasn't spent most of his career defending correct?
Quote from: MrFFC on November 17, 2018, 12:25:24 AM
Cairney will still be vital under Ranieri he may be pushed further forward with 2 DMs behind him
In a 4-2-3-1 Cairney can find a home at the #10 spot if the two DMs behind him are focused completely on defending.
Quote from: hovewhite on November 16, 2018, 10:16:37 PM
More defence based no more flowing football I don't think which will be ok if we achieve wins,think if it doesn't work I expect the boo boys to get on his back especially on boards like this!!
..and they will probably be the same ones that called for Slavisas head.....
Quote from: colinwhite on November 17, 2018, 06:29:02 AM
Quote from: hovewhite on November 16, 2018, 10:16:37 PM
More defence based no more flowing football I don't think which will be ok if we achieve wins,think if it doesn't work I expect the boo boys to get on his back especially on boards like this!!
..and they will probably be the same ones that called for Slavisas head.....
Exactamar!
Ranieri, in his opening remarks, said Khan Snr asked him to 'make us safe', which means goodbye entertainment and style, hello results. Those results may even mean they are derived from just one attack in a game spent defending for almost all the ninety minutes. It could be a massive culture shock after Jokanovic but may serve a useful purpose to get fans thinking harder before they make their furture wishes for change. Can Ranieri produce better than that? For sure, but first you have to buy him what he needs not unlike a certain Serb has in the past inferred.
We are bottom with a record goals against tally.
It has to change.
I suspect it will develop a bit like Hodgson where we spent time tightening up and then got more expansive once we knew how to build form the back with a tight defence.
Quote from: Jonnoj on November 17, 2018, 08:34:39 AM
We are bottom with a record goals against tally.
It has to change.
I suspect it will develop a bit like Hodgson where we spent time tightening up and then got more expansive once we knew how to build form the back with a tight defence.
+1
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on November 17, 2018, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Jonnoj on November 17, 2018, 08:34:39 AM
We are bottom with a record goals against tally.
It has to change.
I suspect it will develop a bit like Hodgson where we spent time tightening up and then got more expansive once we knew how to build form the back with a tight defence.
+1
:plus one: My feeling is the players haven't lost any confidence in their own abilities but that of their team mates. I believe there are enough good players in the squad for Ranieri to tighten the defence. SK's team against Liverpool showed that.
It has to change but it won't be pretty. Let's just hope it's effective.
The references to Hodgson are perhaps a little overstated under current recruitment policy. He brought in players aged 30, Duff and Murphy for example. As I have already said much depends on whether or not the recruitment team functions as a support unit to Ranieri and not as dictator. We will never know how well that may have worked for Jokanovic.
Well I would be much happier if we had played a few more boring defensive games this season but had come away with three points on three or four occasions.
Fighting spirit!
We showed it last season when things were going well, now the players need to dig in even harder.
An obvious thing to say but good football is more than keeping the ball in the middle third against Championship players until they make a mistake.
If the players don't buy into the new regime they need to be pushed aside.
Honestly I couldn't care less how we play as long as we get a result.
The biggest thrill in any match is seeing the ball hit the back of the opponents net and the worse moments are when the opponent scores. Room for improvement on what we have suffered so far this season.
Quote from: toshes mate on November 17, 2018, 09:59:06 AM
The references to Hodgson are perhaps a little overstated under current recruitment policy. He brought in players aged 30, Duff and Murphy for example. As I have already said much depends on whether or not the recruitment team functions as a support unit to Ranieri and not as dictator. We will never know how well that may have worked for Jokanovic.
+1
I wonder if a prerequisite to Ranieri coming was that he demanded more say about the players being brought in? Doesn't sound like it.
Quote from: toshes mate on November 17, 2018, 09:59:06 AM
The references to Hodgson are perhaps a little overstated under current recruitment policy. He brought in players aged 30, Duff and Murphy for example. As I have already said much depends on whether or not the recruitment team functions as a support unit to Ranieri and not as dictator. We will never know how well that may have worked for Jokanovic.
The Chairman's aim from the very begining was to make the Club sustainable. Also as everybody has pointed out this time round everything's faster and stronger. Buying older players doesnt make sense in the current climate and would just be a stop gap measure. Maybe Roy would have preferred younger but the funds weren't there. We didn't add much to the squad after the Europa run. Duff and Murphy did work well for us but there were a few that didn't.
Relegation would be disastrous for the club, so if we can become defensively more solid, and start putting points on the board, I don't think most fans will worry too much how we do it.
Can we play worse that we have been, after our initial good start anyway?- when we failed to turn our good play into points, and became increasingly shambolic and disorganised, until Liverpool marked some improvement, but we still lost.
Quote from: I Ronic on November 17, 2018, 12:43:28 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on November 17, 2018, 09:59:06 AM
The references to Hodgson are perhaps a little overstated under current recruitment policy. He brought in players aged 30, Duff and Murphy for example. As I have already said much depends on whether or not the recruitment team functions as a support unit to Ranieri and not as dictator. We will never know how well that may have worked for Jokanovic.
The Chairman's aim from the very begining was to make the Club sustainable. Also as everybody has pointed out this time round everything's faster and stronger. Buying older players doesnt make sense in the current climate and would just be a stop gap measure. Maybe Roy would have preferred younger but the funds weren't there. We didn't add much to the squad after the Europa run. Duff and Murphy did work well for us but there were a few that didn't.
And so you do not believe that Ranieri is just a stop gap measure? Sustainability is dependent on a whole host of factors but largely upon media money. Liam Rosenior made the point that the scatter gun transfer routine was £100m, the equivalent to the improvement in TV money, but was panicky as if there was a need to show the Club was 'ambitious' by spending money rather than looking for 'value' in football terms. Is Schurrle value in football terms? Is Anguissa value in football terms? Is Seri value in football terms? Mitrovic was value, as would have been the retention of Fredericks and Targett (to name just two) but thus far we have lots of question marks about the others, apart from Bryan and his unfortunate hamstring injury which we all know can just happen. Mawson looked better against Liverpool but still not classy enough - is that just game time? Chambers looked better against Liverpool in CMD and certainly played as if he knew the PL like the back of his hand (for the first time in a Fulham shirt). Ranieri has a chance to build upon the improvement against Liverpool and I don't think we will see much change against Southampton unless injuries etc. intervene. What I do think will change is the risk taking which will be reduced slowly but surely over the coming weeks, and that may make for fewer goals against but not a lot happening at the other end either. Will Mitro become very frustrated and how will Ranieri deal with that?
I don't think the Khans have made a wise move at all, but it is done. Panic can lead to chances to salvage something out of the wreckage and I hope that happens. But I fear the worse too.
Quote from: toshes mate on November 17, 2018, 01:05:57 PM
Quote from: I Ronic on November 17, 2018, 12:43:28 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on November 17, 2018, 09:59:06 AM
The references to Hodgson are perhaps a little overstated under current recruitment policy. He brought in players aged 30, Duff and Murphy for example. As I have already said much depends on whether or not the recruitment team functions as a support unit to Ranieri and not as dictator. We will never know how well that may have worked for Jokanovic.
The Chairman's aim from the very begining was to make the Club sustainable. Also as everybody has pointed out this time round everything's faster and stronger. Buying older players doesnt make sense in the current climate and would just be a stop gap measure. Maybe Roy would have preferred younger but the funds weren't there. We didn't add much to the squad after the Europa run. Duff and Murphy did work well for us but there were a few that didn't.
And so you do not believe that Ranieri is just a stop gap measure? Sustainability is dependent on a whole host of factors but largely upon media money. Liam Rosenior made the point that the scatter gun transfer routine was £100m, the equivalent to the improvement in TV money, but was panicky as if there was a need to show the Club was 'ambitious' by spending money rather than looking for 'value' in football terms. Is Schurrle value in football terms? Is Anguissa value in football terms? Is Seri value in football terms? Mitrovic was value, as would have been the retention of Fredericks and Targett (to name just two) but thus far we have lots of question marks about the others, apart from Bryan and his unfortunate hamstring injury which we all know can just happen. Mawson looked better against Liverpool but still not classy enough - is that just game time? Chambers looked better against Liverpool in CMD and certainly played as if he knew the PL like the back of his hand (for the first time in a Fulham shirt). Ranieri has a chance to build upon the improvement against Liverpool and I don't think we will see much change against Southampton unless injuries etc. intervene. What I do think will change is the risk taking which will be reduced slowly but surely over the coming weeks, and that may make for fewer goals against but not a lot happening at the other end either. Will Mitro become very frustrated and how will Ranieri deal with that?
I don't think the Khans have made a wise move at all, but it is done. Panic can lead to chances to salvage something out of the wreckage and I hope that happens. But I fear the worse too.
No I don't believe Ranieri is a stop gap. As much as Slavisa wasn't a stop gap when he was appointed. To be fair neither seem to stay anywhere that long. The appointment of Parker may in time prove significannt though. Having so many loans last season, meant we needed more players this season and as the rules are different in the Premiership the Club had to spend money. Now loaning players from a higher league to get you promoted saves a bundle of cash if it doesnt happen but given our current position was this wise. I dont know but I'd trust the Club to have looked closely at the pros and cons of such a system. I won't disagree on your points as you're right we don't know if current players brought under the tick box system will add value. Although as regards Targett and Fredricks, I do think the Club tried as hard as it could of done to keep both players. It's still early days and whatever the standpoint we take to make our arguments, I think we all agree all we want is what's best for the Club and its supporters.
I suppose our new style of football will be more huff and puff, maybe more route one, more energetic in recovering lost possession, less languid, less crab-like, less time endlessly shifting the ball from one side to the other in the middle third.
I have to say that I was increasingly turning up for matches with a sense of dread, unable to see when or why a turnaround in our fortunes would come. At last I have a reason for a degree of optimism against Southampton.
I believe Ranieri will keep things relatively simple. He'll play 4 at the back, 2 defensive midfielders (If available he might look to loan or buy Drinkwater in January) and whether he goes 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1, 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 his players will know he expects them all to defend for the team.
We'll still be playing attractive football and TC may even prove to be Claudio's Riyad Mahrez.
Quote from: toshes mate on November 17, 2018, 09:59:06 AM
The references to Hodgson are perhaps a little overstated under current recruitment policy. He brought in players aged 30, Duff and Murphy for example. As I have already said much depends on whether or not the recruitment team functions as a support unit to Ranieri and not as dictator. We will never know how well that may have worked for Jokanovic.
just to point out Roy did not sign Murphy
Quote from: MJG on November 18, 2018, 11:46:04 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on November 17, 2018, 09:59:06 AM
The references to Hodgson are perhaps a little overstated under current recruitment policy. He brought in players aged 30, Duff and Murphy for example. As I have already said much depends on whether or not the recruitment team functions as a support unit to Ranieri and not as dictator. We will never know how well that may have worked for Jokanovic.
just to point out Roy did not sign Murphy
My bad, but Mark Schwarzer for example.....
Quote from: toshes mate on November 18, 2018, 12:50:10 PM
Quote from: MJG on November 18, 2018, 11:46:04 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on November 17, 2018, 09:59:06 AM
The references to Hodgson are perhaps a little overstated under current recruitment policy. He brought in players aged 30, Duff and Murphy for example. As I have already said much depends on whether or not the recruitment team functions as a support unit to Ranieri and not as dictator. We will never know how well that may have worked for Jokanovic.
just to point out Roy did not sign Murphy
My bad, but Mark Schwarzer for example.....
and of course we signed a 30 year old keeper this summer.
Yes I shall miss the free flowing skill of watching players walk through our defence. Watching the ball hit the back of our net as frequently as Brexit gloom hits the news. Listening to experts tell me it will all get better. We just need a bit more time. Watch as the defenders look at each other and say 'sorry we haven't met before'. The delight of seeing our lonely forward compete with three defenders.
Yes with luck we may keep that style of football that we have seen for much of the season. But then again we may have to put up with any improvement. Which of course would have happened anyway. If only we just had a bit more time.
think it will be a quick counter style, get it to mitro, hold it, lay it off get on the end of the cross
Quote from: Lighthouse on November 18, 2018, 02:54:55 PM
Yes I shall miss the free flowing skill of watching players walk through our defence. Watching the ball hit the back of our net as frequently as Brexit gloom hits the news. Listening to experts tell me it will all get better. We just need a bit more time. Watch as the defenders look at each other and say 'sorry we haven't met before'. The delight of seeing our lonely forward compete with three defenders.
Yes with luck we may keep that style of football that we have seen for much of the season. But then again we may have to put up with any improvement. Which of course would have happened anyway. If only we just had a bit more time.
Well said Lighthouse.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on November 16, 2018, 11:52:16 PM
The players will have to change their mentality very quickly, and realise this will be no holiday camp.
The players contributed to getting us in this mess, not all of them, but a large percentage of them.
Claudio has no doubt been given his orders as to why he has been brought on board his pirate ship, he knows he is expected to deliver, and he will leave no stone unturned, and who can blame him.
His remit is to prevent Fulham going back down whatever it takes.
So let's let him get on with the job his way, and hope he and the players can do what's needed, and without any interference from amateurs like the Chairmans son, who was the one person who should have been dismissed, not Slavisa.
Quite right Woolly.
I like the right like pirates analogy from CR.
Perhaps the club should give out Jolly Roger flags for home games, they would be the right colours!
Ranieri generally plays 4-4-2. Compact and solid.
One of the big issues is who has alongside Mitro. I can't see it being Shirley?
Quote from: Robbie on November 18, 2018, 06:48:56 PM
Ranieri generally plays 4-4-2. Compact and solid.
One of the big issues is who has alongside Mitro. I can't see it being Shirley?
Well Schurrle can score.
Quote from: toshes mate on November 17, 2018, 09:59:06 AM
The references to Hodgson are perhaps a little overstated under current recruitment policy. He brought in players aged 30, Duff and Murphy for example. As I have already said much depends on whether or not the recruitment team functions as a support unit to Ranieri and not as dictator. We will never know how well that may have worked for Jokanovic.
Well, if we can bring in another Duffers or a Bjarne G. I for one would be a very happy man and would not care two hoots of they were 30.
