No way Raineri picks Cairney as captain, good footballer but not a strong presence I believe it will be Mawson, he will become the main focus in defence that would be my choice..
I hope it's Alfie Mawson, he would be a good fit.
Yep, I think the relationship between Mawson and Ranieri is critical to the improvement in our defense.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on November 17, 2018, 02:17:14 PM
I hope it's Alfie Mawson, he would be a good fit.
I agree, I much prefer a CB as captain.
Game is played infront of them and can read the game far better
Agree... Although it is not a decision to be taken lightly IMO because it's bound to exacerbate the reported (albeit natural) tension between the old guard and new signings
Quote from: Statto on November 17, 2018, 04:14:30 PM
Agree... Although it is not a decision to be taken lightly IMO because it's bound to exacerbate the reported (albeit natural) tension between the old guard and new signings
He did elude to it in press conference about fresh start and everyone must impress.
Whether he will change captaincy is a big marker to lay down
It would be a bit of a snub to Cairney, maybe affect his confidence.
We want more than one leader onthe field anyway,and i think Ranieri would want a few players to urge the team on and not let heads drop.
K Mac already does this, if he is picked, and Mawson would be another obvious choice. I feel he could be a very imortant player for us - I feel he has a lot he wants to prove too.
'RC', what are we going to call him?, has already stated his focus is on defence. So bearing in mind Kmac is out and might not be a first choice anymore that leaves Odoi, MLM, Christie, Sess, Bryan, TFM, Ream, RICO and Mawson from the defensive mix. Blimey Mawson, on form and fit, stands out by a mile. JOka did'nt quite nail every combination possible but I suspect we won't be seeing much of the likes of TFM and Jokas fringe players like Ayite, Kebano and AK. January could see the likes of Cahill or Drinkwater coming in, both captaincy material, so if Cairney is dropped to shore things up or simply loses the captaincy the heir will need to have quite an impact.
Quote from: Statto on November 17, 2018, 04:14:30 PM
Agree... Although it is not a decision to be taken lightly IMO because it's bound to exacerbate the reported (albeit natural) tension between the old guard and new signings
Agree, inasmuch as he's more likely to be a regular than Mc.Donald. Cairney treated with respect, obviously.
Surely Raineri will not change to captain until he gets to know the player well.
As for Mawson he first has to firmly establish his his place in the team.
"I suspect we won't be seeing much of the likes of TFM and Jokas fringe players like Ayite, Kebano and AK."
I suspect AK is the fastest member of the first team squad. If our new manager could improve his control and composure, he may yet prove to be one hell of a player.
Quote from: Oakeshott on November 17, 2018, 05:00:43 PM
"I suspect we won't be seeing much of the likes of TFM and Jokas fringe players like Ayite, Kebano and AK."
I suspect AK is the fastest member of the first team squad. If our new manager could improve his control and composure, he may yet prove to be one hell of a player.
I am starting to think of a dream partnership developing in a 4-4-2 system with Mitrovic and Kamara really causing problems for defences.
Quote from: filham on November 17, 2018, 05:44:36 PM
Quote from: Oakeshott on November 17, 2018, 05:00:43 PM
"I suspect we won't be seeing much of the likes of TFM and Jokas fringe players like Ayite, Kebano and AK."
I suspect AK is the fastest member of the first team squad. If our new manager could improve his control and composure, he may yet prove to be one hell of a player.
I am starting to think of a dream partnership developing in a 4-4-2 system with Mitrovic and Kamara really causing problems for defences.
Anything is possible obviously but I think Mitrovic will continue to plough a lonely furrow whilst the defence and defending options from midfield are sorted. 4.4.2 if indeed that is to be the way forward will take a while to install but options to Mitrovic are needed in case of injury or the likely suspension.
Quote from: filham on November 17, 2018, 05:44:36 PM
Quote from: Oakeshott on November 17, 2018, 05:00:43 PM
"I suspect we won't be seeing much of the likes of TFM and Jokas fringe players like Ayite, Kebano and AK."
I suspect AK is the fastest member of the first team squad. If our new manager could improve his control and composure, he may yet prove to be one hell of a player.
I am starting to think of a dream partnership developing in a 4-4-2 system with Mitrovic and Kamara really causing problems for defences.
that would be a hell of a front 2.both strong hungry,AK running defenders into the ground mitro taking advantage.
I think if Kamara can learn how to defend in a Ranieri system, he'll be on the right with Sess on the left, Vietto and Mitro up top. They'll bomb forward on the wings with a two CDM system, Vietto and Mitro controlling play centrally.
The team captain has to be at least a solid player who is named week in, week out. Mawson, so far, does not fit that description. Neither does KMac. I think he has to stay with TC, at leat until the team gets back on track.
Quote from: Porthogs FC on November 17, 2018, 06:10:45 PM
I think if Kamara can learn how to defend in a Ranieri system, he'll be on the right with Sess on the left, Vietto and Mitro up top. They'll bomb forward on the wings with a two CDM system, Vietto and Mitro controlling play centrally.
I would say aswell as adding to his defensive game, touch, passing and finishing should be a priority also.
Such a raw talent, I would love him to come good he could be an absolute handfull
Alfie would be good. Tom is all over the place it seems - confidence, fitness - you name it. He's way off the pace at present and certainly not a leader. Alfie needs to assert himself so give him the armband and go for it. Fists pumping and lot's of encouraging!.
TC has never been capt, he wears an armband, Kmac was the capt last year you could tell that by who did the talking in the huddles
Can't see any immediate change being made in this area, provided Cairney keeps his place in the team under the new regime.
In my view the importance of the Captain in top-class professional football is rather over stated:
In one-person yacht racing - vital.
In cricket - very important.
In rugby - often has some important decisions to make, but can be of less on-field influence than the pack leader.
In football - much more peripheral. Gets to toss a coin, do some hand-shaking and has the, often doubtful, pleasure of occasional chats to the ref. Often a rather symbolic gesture of recognition and respect to an important or senior player.
Quote from: Porthogs FC on November 17, 2018, 06:10:45 PM
I think if Kamara can learn how to defend in a Ranieri system, he'll be on the right with Sess on the left, Vietto and Mitro up top. They'll bomb forward on the wings with a two CDM system, Vietto and Mitro controlling play centrally.
Idealistic but there's nothing wrong with that. Vietto's skill is obvious and I hope AK realizes his potential. Could be a dream set up, or a nightmare.
Picking a player as Captain just to keep him sweet, which is what happened in Cairney case is not good footballing philosophy, sets a bad example and sends the wrong message to other players in the team.
It was not a good move, but one of many errors of judgement on and off the field.
I think losing the captaincy would be good for Tom. He can focus on improving his own game. We need a more vocal, assertive personality as captain. Mawson may be that player. I haven't seen enough of him to be sure but it would be a signal of Ranier's intent.
Not sure who out of the eleven who played at Liverpool I would have chosen. I agree that TC is more of a figurehead than a leader, and that it is probably less improtant in football who wears the armband than in other sports. McDonald is the one natural leader I see at FFC, but will he get game time? Not sure about Mawson; I'd like to see more of him. Chambers impressed at Liverpool for work rate and aggression. I guess it depends upon what qualities Ranieri will want from his captain.
The one who shows the most grit and desire is young Ryan, well far more than Tom this season.
I Agree with a previous poster I think the captaincy was given to Tom as he was "our best player" and to give him a sense of seniority and keep him happy when he was being linked away.
Last season he led by example which is why it worked but this season he hasn't played through injury and the team as a whole has been disappointing and there has not been a stand out player who the guys around him can aspire to or take confidence from
It doesn't matter and never has who is officially the captain. As others have said there should be many captains on the pitch. Last season much of the pitch captaincy came from Mac. In the old days Roger Brown was Captain but Ray Lewington was actually the on pitch captain.
Quote from: Newry FFC on November 18, 2018, 11:17:32 AM
-it doesn't matter who is captain,
-there should be more captains on the pitch
-TC is a figurehead. Not a leader
-kmac is more of a captain on the pitch
Whilst I agree with all these individual points, taking all of them as a collective, it seems having a figurehead as a captain is a bit of a letdown. A figurehead captain leads by example, sure TC may be quiet and let others do the talking but he is there as someone to look up to, whether it's finesse, fitness, workrate or attitude.
It may be controversial but this season if anyone was to look at our figurehead captain for inspiration or replication, it could just end up adding to our issues. TC has been found wanting in these areas and although I love him, I don't see why changing the manager is justified for new leadership, and not the captain.
KMac took on the responsibility because TC is not captain material. Mawson obviously stands out as long as he's in the managers plans. A lot of people have said it's ok to have a figurehead captain, but one who will organise, chastise, motivate and inspire on the pitch will be a backup and reinforcement to the managers plans. The likes of Vieira, Keane, Terry were always that authoritative figure but were always backed up by a Ferdinand, Lampard etc
The answer won't be just to change the captain which I think is needed (not that I can offer a solution, but that will obviously come in time when Claudio sees who is motivated and intelligent enough) the solution will be for everyone to know their role inside out to ease the burden on the captain. the solution will be for players to completely buy into the system and be able to translate the vision 100% on pitch instead of players going AWOL and doing their own thing
I think taking the captaincy away from Cairney does send the correct message. Tom should be told he has to fight for his place in the 11. He is trying to establish himself as a premiership player right now. Focus on improving his workrate and body language. No more of this head down stuff. I think Cairney is likely
to be battling with Seri for a starting spot. That will be hard enough for him. If either Cairney or Seri are not putting in a shift, hook one off to be replaced by the other.
What concerns me is we basically made TC captain to stop him leaving
To be honest if we were to name a figurehead captain , one that people should look to copy in terms of effort, application and connection with the fans as well as on pitch skill, it would only be Sess
Change for the sake of change seems to be the wrong play here. Let's just see how TC thrives under his new boss, then his boss can decide if he's up for the task. Not sure why anyone would take that risk of changing too much and risk team morale.
Giving somebody the captains arm band makes them think a lot more about the teams game and not so much their own. There is no need to change the captain at the minute as Cairney is the most senior player at the club. You don't always have to ball people out to be a good captain. People attach 60s attitudes to today which is wrong
Cairney should remain captain he may not be vocal but he leads in the way he plays getting on the ball under pressure driving us forward. You don't need the armband to be a leader on the pitch. Mawson , McDonald etc can all still be vocal in & out of the dressing room without an armband
Our most consistent defender has been Dennis Odoi. Whether CR will continue to play him centrally or move him to full back remains to be seen but I would be surprised if he is not a starter. Could he be an outside bet for captaincy? He seems to be a good reader of the game and a player who uses his brains more than brawn.
That said I think that those who are suggesting TC has fallen away this year need to recognise that he has been coming back from a difficult injury which has clearly left even the medical profession a bit nonplussed. When TC gets back to 100%, hopefully very soon, then I don't see Seri as even close in terms of competition for a starting berth.
Saturday will be interesting for a host of reasons, really looking forward to it.
