In spells I thought we more than held our own against Chelsea, who'd have thought Chambers would turn in a "man of the match" performance after his fist few appearances?
Rico
Christie Odoi Mawson Bryan
Chambers Cairney KMac
Schurrle Sessegnon
Mitro
Subs: Betts, Ream, MLM, Seri, Vietto, AK47
I'll be tough on MLM dropping him for Bryan however we bought him to fill the left back position? After Seri's performances for the last couple of games I think he'll be replaced, if Anguissa is fit then I'd use him failing that KMac
Quote from: WhiteJC on December 03, 2018, 09:53:54 AM
In spells I thought we more than held our own against Chelsea, who'd have thought Chambers would turn in a "man of the match" performance after his fist few appearances?
Rico
Christie Odoi Mawson Bryan
Chambers Cairney KMac
Schurrle Sessegnon
Mitro
Subs: Betts, Ream, MLM, Seri, Vietto, AK47
I'll be tough on MLM dropping him for Bryan however we bought him to fill the left back position? After Seri's performances for the last couple of games I think he'll be replaced, if Anguissa is fit then I'd use him failing that KMac
This for me too. Seri is the weakest link -Goodbye
Quote from: WhiteJC on December 03, 2018, 09:53:54 AM
In spells I thought we more than held our own against Chelsea, who'd have thought Chambers would turn in a "man of the match" performance after his fist few appearances?
Rico
Christie Odoi Mawson Bryan
Chambers Cairney KMac
Schurrle Sessegnon
Mitro
Subs: Betts, Ream, MLM, Seri, Vietto, AK47
I'll be tough on MLM dropping him for Bryan however we bought him to fill the left back position? After Seri's performances for the last couple of games I think he'll be replaced, if Anguissa is fit then I'd use him failing that KMac
Basically agree with this lineup but think I would start with MLM and possibly introduce Bryan later in the game. Fully agree with KMac replacing Seri.
Kmac is a cart horse and should not feature again this season!!
Quote from: KJS on December 03, 2018, 10:51:01 AM
Kmac is a cart horse and should not feature again this season!!
+1 I think Kmac is too slow for the premier league
Cannot play TC SChurrle and RS altogether - too weak for CR system
Quote from: GJB on December 03, 2018, 11:48:26 AM
Quote from: KJS on December 03, 2018, 10:51:01 AM
Kmac is a cart horse and should not feature again this season!!
+1 I think Kmac is too slow for the premier league
Not sure that you are right about KMac but if we leave him out I would play Johanson, definetly not Seri he needs time on the bench.
4-2-3-1 ...
Rico
Christie Mawson Odoi Bryan
Anguissa Chambers
Schurrle Cairney Sessegnon
Mitrovic
(If injuries are as they were on Sunday, swap in MLM for Bryan, Ayite for Schurrle and Seri for Anguissa)
Rico
Christie TFM Mawson Bryan
Chambers McDonald/Anguissa
Ayité Cairney Sessegnon
Mitrović
Subs:
Bettinelli
Odoi
MLM
Seri
Vietto
Kebano
Kamara
Assuming one of kev/anguissa is fit and that Schürrle is still out.
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Quote from: KJS on December 03, 2018, 10:51:01 AM
Kmac is a cart horse and should not feature again this season!!
+1 I think Kmac is too slow for the premier league
Not sure that you are right about KMac but if we leave him out I would play Johanson, definetly not Seri he needs time on the bench.
I would play Anguissa or even Cisse ahead on Kmac
Rico
Christie - Odoi - Mawson - Le Marchand
Schürrle* - Anguissa** - Chambers - Sessegnon
Cairney
Mitrovic
* Kamara if Schürrle is injured
** Johansen if Anguissa is injured
Bench: Bettinelli, Ream, Bryan, Seri, Johansen/Cisse, Ayite & Kamara/Kebano
Rico
Christie Odoi Mawson Bryan
Anguissa Chambers
AK47 Cairney Sessegnon
Mitrovic
Subs: Bettinelli, MLM, Ream, Seri, Kebano, Schurrle
Anbyone knows What has happened to Vietto ?
Rico
Christie Odoi Mawson Le Marchand
Chambers McDonald
Schurrle Cairney Sessegnon
Mitrovic
Bettinelli, Ream, Bryan, Seri, Johansen, Ayite, Kamara.
Again, would like to see Bryan come in, since I hope he offers additional offensive support on the left. MLM has done ok, but not great going forward. Assume that McDonald is still out, otherwise he gets a spot on the bench instead of Anguissa. If they are both still out, I guess Cisse can keep his spot but have no idea whether or not he is any good.
Wouldn't change anything else, but change the formation to look more like second half against Chelsea.Think we'll win 3-0.
Rico
Christie Odoi Mawson Bryan
Chambers Seri
Schürrle (Ayite) Cairney Sess
Mitro
Subs: Betts, Ream, MLM, Anguissa (Cisse), Johansen, Kamara, Ayite (Kebano)
Seems I'm the only one that rates Seri. Oh well.
Rico
Christie Odoi Mawson Bryan (if fit)
Chambers Seri
Ayite/Kebano/Schurrle Cairney Sess
Mitro
If fit...
Rico
Odoi-Chambers-Mawson-Bryan
Frank-Seri
Schurlle-Cairney-Sess
Mitro
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on December 03, 2018, 01:16:50 PM
Seems I'm the only one that rates Seri. Oh well.
Rico
Christie Odoi Mawson Bryan (if fit)
Chambers Seri
Ayite/Kebano/Schurrle Cairney Sess
Mitro
i agree with you
also i reckon ranieri will as well
Funny to see how many still keep Odoi in the team when he misplaces passes that lead to goals far to often for my liking.
As such my team would be
Rico
Christie Mawson MLM Bryan
Chambers
Cairney Anguissa (seri or Mcdonald if injured)
Schurrle Sess
Mitro
Quote from: Moltobueno on December 03, 2018, 12:29:36 PM
Anbyone knows What has happened to Vietto ?
Good question. If fit, I'm surprised some people are putting Seri on the bench ahead of him. Seri is need of extended gardening leave.
Quote from: MJG on December 03, 2018, 01:21:59 PM
If fit...
Rico
Odoi-Chambers-Mawson-Bryan
Frank-Seri
Schurlle-Cairney-Sess
Mitro
I see that eventually, but I think the team will be gradually changed to the above.
Until he's happy with Anguissa/KMac fitness, can't see Chambers moving to CB.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on December 03, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 03, 2018, 01:21:59 PM
If fit...
Rico
Odoi-Chambers-Mawson-Bryan
Frank-Seri
Schurlle-Cairney-Sess
Mitro
I see that eventually, but I think the team will be gradually changed to the above.
Until he's happy with Anguissa/KMac fitness, can't see Chambers moving to CB.
Hence the IF, Although I'd not be surprised to see him go with a real change of tact and go for pace on Wednesday similar to how we finished on Sunday.
Quote from: Robertprocter1 on December 03, 2018, 01:38:04 PM
Funny to see how many still keep Odoi in the team when he misplaces passes that lead to goals far to often for my liking.
Does he though? Arguably against Chelsea maybe, although he obviously didn't misplace the pass since it was straight at Seri. This I believe is how you normally play in order to draw the opposing midfield out of position. Of course this time it is easy to feel that he could have gone for an easier option, and the timing didn't look great. Other than that? Has his passes really led to many goals against this season? Or other seasons for that matter?
Quote from: Neil D on December 03, 2018, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: Moltobueno on December 03, 2018, 12:29:36 PM
Anbyone knows What has happened to Vietto ?
Good question. If fit, I'm surprised some people are putting Seri on the bench ahead of him. Seri is need of extended gardening leave.
I assume it is because they are completely different players, and the potential inclusion of one has probably nothing at all to do with the other. As for Vietto, the question would more likely be why Ayite/Kebano/Kamara is included. The likely answer is of course that Ranieri is not that impressed with Vietto, but who knows.
Frank back in training as per Instagram. Video of him scoring a screamer on the training pitch!
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Quote from: Robertprocter1 on December 03, 2018, 01:38:04 PM
Funny to see how many still keep Odoi in the team when he misplaces passes that lead to goals far to often for my liking.
Does he though? Arguably against Chelsea maybe, although he obviously didn't misplace the pass since it was straight at Seri. This I believe is how you normally play in order to draw the opposing midfield out of position. Of course this time it is easy to feel that he could have gone for an easier option, and the timing didn't look great. Other than that? Has his passes really led to many goals against this season? Or other seasons for that matter?
Maybe I'm being a bit harsh on his passing but I just don't feel to confident with him at the back. To be fair though other than Rico I don't feel too confident with any of our players at the back !!
Quote from: Robertprocter1 on December 03, 2018, 02:23:52 PM
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Quote from: Robertprocter1 on December 03, 2018, 01:38:04 PM
Funny to see how many still keep Odoi in the team when he misplaces passes that lead to goals far to often for my liking.
Does he though? Arguably against Chelsea maybe, although he obviously didn't misplace the pass since it was straight at Seri. This I believe is how you normally play in order to draw the opposing midfield out of position. Of course this time it is easy to feel that he could have gone for an easier option, and the timing didn't look great. Other than that? Has his passes really led to many goals against this season? Or other seasons for that matter?
Maybe I'm being a bit harsh on his passing but I just don't feel to confident with him at the back. To be fair though other than Rico I don't feel too confident with any of our players at the back !!
Fair enough I guess, difficult to be really impressed with this defence.
I expect Kamara to be involved again, and Ayite and Kebano, at least on the bench, maybe coming on as suybs, depending on injuries.
Schurrle will probably start if fit, but will he bring he Bryan in for Le Marchand? who has done well, though maybe more of a cb.
I think Odoi should retain his place, despite his error at Chelsea, and Chambers should retain his role as dm.
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If fit...
Rico
Odoi-Chambers-Mawson-Bryan
Frank-Seri
Schurlle-Cairney-Sess
Mitro
I see that eventually, but I think the team will be gradually changed to the above.
Until he's happy with Anguissa/KMac fitness, can't see Chambers moving to CB.
Hence the IF, Although I'd not be surprised to see him go with a real change of tact and go for pace on Wednesday similar to how we finished on Sunday.
I cannot see even the tinkerman changing that much.
IMO we have one, and only one PL quality DM at the moment, Chambers, and it's taken 4 months to find him so I just cannot see him being moved.
Even if/when Anguissa comes good, he really doesn't seem to able to play DM alone, so I still don't see Chambers beimg dropped.
I agree we should aspire to replace Odoi but I think it far more likely to be a new January signing at CB, or even MLM, going in for Odoi rather than Chambers.
Quote from: Robertprocter1 on December 03, 2018, 01:38:04 PM
Funny to see how many still keep Odoi in the team when he misplaces passes that lead to goals far to often for my liking.
Have to agree. Just don't see how we can persist with him at CB in the premier league. I would give Ream another crack and look to plug the hole in Jan if Ream doesn't stand out. Probably our most worrying position alongside RB. After Everton I really didn't want to see Christie play there again, the lack of effort for their second and third was vexing. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s447AeflLyM) He had a few decent games going forward recently, but i continue to question his attitude and fight (he is undoubtedly an impressive athlete which does put him in good positions). Despite my initial sentiment regarding Odoi, I would consider playing him there over Christie.
Regarding XI for Wednesday, MJG I think has listed our current best side, but we won't see Chambers dropped from the holding role just yet.
Quote from: hongkongfulham on December 03, 2018, 02:58:10 PM
Quote from: Robertprocter1 on December 03, 2018, 01:38:04 PM
Funny to see how many still keep Odoi in the team when he misplaces passes that lead to goals far to often for my liking.
Have to agree. Just don't see how we can persist with him at CB in the premier league. I would give Ream another crack and look to plug the hole in Jan if Ream doesn't stand out. Probably our most worrying position alongside RB. After Everton I really didn't want to see Christie play there again, the lack of effort for their second and third was vexing. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s447AeflLyM) He had a few decent games going forward recently, but i continue to question his attitude and fight (he is undoubtedly an impressive athlete which does put him in good positions). Despite my initial sentiment regarding Odoi, I would consider playing him there over Christie.
Regarding XI for Wednesday, MJG I think has listed our current best side, but we won't see Chambers dropped from the holding role just yet.
I still can't see why people insist on dropping Odoi. He has been our best central defender this season. Mawson hasn't looked better in any game so far in my opinion. However, I believe that the Mawson/Odoi partnership will come good. With Ream and MLM in the squad, I see no need for additions at CB in January. The problem is not the individual quality in our case, but rather so the defending (or lack thereof) as a team. Wouldn't say no to a fullback, but only if it is clearly an improvement as we need no changes for the sake of it. Too many changes is part of what has gotten us into this position in the first place.
Quote from: Statto on December 03, 2018, 02:57:45 PM
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If fit...
Rico
Odoi-Chambers-Mawson-Bryan
Frank-Seri
Schurlle-Cairney-Sess
Mitro
I see that eventually, but I think the team will be gradually changed to the above.
Until he's happy with Anguissa/KMac fitness, can't see Chambers moving to CB.
Hence the IF, Although I'd not be surprised to see him go with a real change of tact and go for pace on Wednesday similar to how we finished on Sunday.
I cannot see even the tinkerman changing that much.
IMO we have one, and only one PL quality DM at the moment, Chambers, and it's taken 4 months to find him so I just cannot see him being moved.
Even if/when Anguissa comes good, he really doesn't seem to able to play DM alone, so I still don't see Chambers beimg dropped.
I agree we should aspire to replace Odoi but I think it far more likely to be a new January signing at CB, or even MLM, going in for Odoi rather than Chambers.
Then we go down I'm afraid. Im absolutely convinced we need to move Odoi from CB and while Chambers has done ok in a very rough and ready way, we can all see that passing is not his best attribute and while Im not looking at him being Hoddle, I do expect some kind of passing from my midfielders.
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Quote from: Statto on December 03, 2018, 02:57:45 PM
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Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on December 03, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 03, 2018, 01:21:59 PM
If fit...
Rico
Odoi-Chambers-Mawson-Bryan
Frank-Seri
Schurlle-Cairney-Sess
Mitro
I see that eventually, but I think the team will be gradually changed to the above.
Until he's happy with Anguissa/KMac fitness, can't see Chambers moving to CB.
Hence the IF, Although I'd not be surprised to see him go with a real change of tact and go for pace on Wednesday similar to how we finished on Sunday.
I cannot see even the tinkerman changing that much.
IMO we have one, and only one PL quality DM at the moment, Chambers, and it's taken 4 months to find him so I just cannot see him being moved.
Even if/when Anguissa comes good, he really doesn't seem to able to play DM alone, so I still don't see Chambers beimg dropped.
I agree we should aspire to replace Odoi but I think it far more likely to be a new January signing at CB, or even MLM, going in for Odoi rather than Chambers.
Then we go down I'm afraid. Im absolutely convinced we need to move Odoi from CB and while Chambers has done ok in a very rough and ready way, we can all see that passing is not his best attribute and while Im not looking at him being Hoddle, I do expect some kind of passing from my midfielders.
Agree, his passing is lacking. I remember him attempting a cross yesterday that ended up almost at the half way line.
But he has shown such commitment and enthusiasm, and stamina - running all game supporting the attack and getting back to defend with much needed defensive qualities, as well as nearly scoring twice yesterday, and being many people's man of the match.
Surely, as an Arsenal player, he must possess better passing skills than he's shown so far- to do with confidence, and after not playing games for a bit?
Quote from: RaySmith on December 03, 2018, 03:44:26 PM
But he has shown such commitment and enthusiasm, and stamina - running all game supporting the attack and getting back to defend with much needed defensive qualities, as well as nearly scoring twice yesterday, and being many people's man of the match.
Surely, as an Arsenal player, he must possess better passing skills than he's shown so far- to do with confidence, and after not playing games for a bit?
I get all of that, but i do think the team overall would be stronger with him at CB and Frank at CDM, but i know i'm in the minority on that view and im ok with that.
Quote from: MJG on December 03, 2018, 03:47:44 PM
Quote from: RaySmith on December 03, 2018, 03:44:26 PM
But he has shown such commitment and enthusiasm, and stamina - running all game supporting the attack and getting back to defend with much needed defensive qualities, as well as nearly scoring twice yesterday, and being many people's man of the match.
Surely, as an Arsenal player, he must possess better passing skills than he's shown so far- to do with confidence, and after not playing games for a bit?
I get all of that, but i do think the team overall would be stronger with him at CB and Frank at CDM, but i know i'm in the minority on that view and im ok with that.
Not just you, I agree wholeheartedly
Quote from: MJG on December 03, 2018, 03:17:15 PM
Quote from: Statto on December 03, 2018, 02:57:45 PM
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Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on December 03, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 03, 2018, 01:21:59 PM
If fit...
Rico
Odoi-Chambers-Mawson-Bryan
Frank-Seri
Schurlle-Cairney-Sess
Mitro
I see that eventually, but I think the team will be gradually changed to the above.
Until he's happy with Anguissa/KMac fitness, can't see Chambers moving to CB.
Hence the IF, Although I'd not be surprised to see him go with a real change of tact and go for pace on Wednesday similar to how we finished on Sunday.
I cannot see even the tinkerman changing that much.
IMO we have one, and only one PL quality DM at the moment, Chambers, and it's taken 4 months to find him so I just cannot see him being moved.
Even if/when Anguissa comes good, he really doesn't seem to able to play DM alone, so I still don't see Chambers beimg dropped.
I agree we should aspire to replace Odoi but I think it far more likely to be a new January signing at CB, or even MLM, going in for Odoi rather than Chambers.
Then we go down I'm afraid. Im absolutely convinced we need to move Odoi from CB and while Chambers has done ok in a very rough and ready way, we can all see that passing is not his best attribute and while Im not looking at him being Hoddle, I do expect some kind of passing from my midfielders.
Well at least we can both agree that Odoi is a crap CB at this level
My opinion is just that Chambers is equally crap in that position, as is Anguissa (currently) in DM
In other words we have a choice between crap and crapper
I don't not rate Seri - I just think he isn't on it at the moment and his mind seems to be elsewhere
I'd love to see a 4411.
Rico
Christie odoi mawson Bryan
Ak zambo chambers sess
Cairney behind mitro
Rico
Christie - Mawson - MLM - Bryan
Shurrle - Seri - Chambers - R.Sess
Cairney
Mitro
Bench - Betts, Odoi, Ream, Johansen, Anguissa, AK, Ayite
He should pick
Rico
Christie Odoi Mawson LM
Chambers McDonald or Seri
AK TC RS
Mitro
Schurrle Johansen to come on later
Personally I think Ranieri will stick with the same starting XI, but with Schurrle replacing StefJo if Schurrle is fit.
One point from Sunday - Ranieri was very quick to change tactics and players and fully expect him to do so again if we start poorly against Leicester.
One thing Leicester have is lots of pace on the counter so that may well be Ranieri's main concern, alongside ensuring we get Mitro more involved in the penalty area.
Regardless whether Schurrle plays or not, Sess has to start on the left mid or up front.
Quote from: Statto on December 03, 2018, 07:13:11 PM
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Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on December 03, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 03, 2018, 01:21:59 PM
If fit...
Rico
Odoi-Chambers-Mawson-Bryan
Frank-Seri
Schurlle-Cairney-Sess
Mitro
I see that eventually, but I think the team will be gradually changed to the above.
Until he's happy with Anguissa/KMac fitness, can't see Chambers moving to CB.
Hence the IF, Although I'd not be surprised to see him go with a real change of tact and go for pace on Wednesday similar to how we finished on Sunday.
I cannot see even the tinkerman changing that much.
IMO we have one, and only one PL quality DM at the moment, Chambers, and it's taken 4 months to find him so I just cannot see him being moved.
Even if/when Anguissa comes good, he really doesn't seem to able to play DM alone, so I still don't see Chambers beimg dropped.
I agree we should aspire to replace Odoi but I think it far more likely to be a new January signing at CB, or even MLM, going in for Odoi rather than Chambers.
Then we go down I'm afraid. Im absolutely convinced we need to move Odoi from CB and while Chambers has done ok in a very rough and ready way, we can all see that passing is not his best attribute and while Im not looking at him being Hoddle, I do expect some kind of passing from my midfielders.
Well at least we can both agree that Odoi is a crap CB at this level
My opinion is just that Chambers is equally crap in that position, as is Anguissa (currently) in DM
In other words we have a choice between crap and crapper
Odoi is not crap at this level. We have got every ounce of ability we can get out of him, and yes, he isn't the long term solution, but it's harsh to call him crap.
I feel that the word crap, is disrespectful to any of those players. In my opinion, none of them are crap.
Odoi may or may not be a long term centre back, and he may even agree, but to call him crap when he is clearly giving 100% application and commitment and workrate, which appears to be his natural instinct is the wrong word.
Chambers has silenced a few detractors playing in his new position, and good for him.
Crap is not the right word to describe a player that you think is not good enough.
But when it comes to being a players player, or a warrior, or a tenacious player, or a player full of commitment and character, in the absence of anyone else, then the big time Charlie couldn't give a dam Seri could easily be labelled as crap, as he looks the nearest to being crap with regard to any influence and impact he has on a game.
Seri made the second highest number of tackles on Sunday. He is far from crap. Low on confidence and we are finding it hard to get the best out of him but he will come good.
Quote from: MJG on December 04, 2018, 06:59:51 AM
Seri made the second highest number of tackles on Sunday. He is far from crap. Low on confidence and we are finding it hard to get the best out of him but he will come good.
Everyone needs a scapegoat and why not pick our most expensive player. It's very difficult to lookgreat in an underperforming team
I really wanted to go tomorrow but no trains back to Swindon due to engineering works, so disappointed
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Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on December 03, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 03, 2018, 01:21:59 PM
If fit...
Rico
Odoi-Chambers-Mawson-Bryan
Frank-Seri
Schurlle-Cairney-Sess
Mitro
I see that eventually, but I think the team will be gradually changed to the above.
Until he's happy with Anguissa/KMac fitness, can't see Chambers moving to CB.
Hence the IF, Although I'd not be surprised to see him go with a real change of tact and go for pace on Wednesday similar to how we finished on Sunday.
I cannot see even the tinkerman changing that much.
IMO we have one, and only one PL quality DM at the moment, Chambers, and it's taken 4 months to find him so I just cannot see him being moved.
Even if/when Anguissa comes good, he really doesn't seem to able to play DM alone, so I still don't see Chambers beimg dropped.
I agree we should aspire to replace Odoi but I think it far more likely to be a new January signing at CB, or even MLM, going in for Odoi rather than Chambers.
Then we go down I'm afraid. Im absolutely convinced we need to move Odoi from CB and while Chambers has done ok in a very rough and ready way, we can all see that passing is not his best attribute and while Im not looking at him being Hoddle, I do expect some kind of passing from my midfielders.
Well at least we can both agree that Odoi is a crap CB at this level
My opinion is just that Chambers is equally crap in that position, as is Anguissa (currently) in DM
In other words we have a choice between crap and crapper
Odoi is not crap at this level. We have got every ounce of ability we can get out of him, and yes, he isn't the long term solution, but it's harsh to call him crap.
I agree with you that calling someone crap is harsh.
However he is part of the worst defence in the league - in fact the worst defence ever at this level, I believe.
You can perhaps let Rico and Mawson off the hook for having only recently come in but the case for anyone else who's played in that back 5 being a competent PL defender literally couldn't be any weaker.
Quote from: kiwian on December 04, 2018, 03:12:03 AM
Regardless whether Schurrle plays or not, Sess has to start on the left mid or up front.
After Saturday Sess should start on the bench
We've looked a bit weak in the middle of the park this season. I'd like to see Cairney get a break.
None of our players is crap. Remember this is the Prem with incredibly high standards - the top players in the world, costing top dollar.
This Fulham squad and manager would probably walk the Championship.
Agree with MJG hat Seri might have a confidence issue, like a few of our players - he must surely have a better first touch than he demonstrated in that crucial early error last Saturday - but he looked nervous. Well, his big fee puts pressure on him, along with all the pressure of adapting to a foreign country's top league.
I do feel he could do well for us, though we haven't much time, of course, but i think he's shown enough to presevere with him. But I do think he puts in a shift, and wants to impress and do well with Fulham,
covering a lot of ground up and down the pitch, and putting in tackles.
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If fit...
Rico
Odoi-Chambers-Mawson-Bryan
Frank-Seri
Schurlle-Cairney-Sess
Mitro
I see that eventually, but I think the team will be gradually changed to the above.
Until he's happy with Anguissa/KMac fitness, can't see Chambers moving to CB.
Hence the IF, Although I'd not be surprised to see him go with a real change of tact and go for pace on Wednesday similar to how we finished on Sunday.
I cannot see even the tinkerman changing that much.
IMO we have one, and only one PL quality DM at the moment, Chambers, and it's taken 4 months to find him so I just cannot see him being moved.
Even if/when Anguissa comes good, he really doesn't seem to able to play DM alone, so I still don't see Chambers beimg dropped.
I agree we should aspire to replace Odoi but I think it far more likely to be a new January signing at CB, or even MLM, going in for Odoi rather than Chambers.
Then we go down I'm afraid. Im absolutely convinced we need to move Odoi from CB and while Chambers has done ok in a very rough and ready way, we can all see that passing is not his best attribute and while Im not looking at him being Hoddle, I do expect some kind of passing from my midfielders.
Well at least we can both agree that Odoi is a crap CB at this level
My opinion is just that Chambers is equally crap in that position, as is Anguissa (currently) in DM
In other words we have a choice between crap and crapper
Odoi is not crap at this level. We have got every ounce of ability we can get out of him, and yes, he isn't the long term solution, but it's harsh to call him crap.
I agree with you that calling someone crap is harsh.
However he is part of the worst defence in the league - in fact the worst defence ever at this level, I believe.
You can perhaps let Rico and Mawson off the hook for having only recently come in but the case for anyone else who's played in that back 5 being a competent PL defender literally couldn't be any weaker.
Well, I believe that this should then apply to the whole team and not just the back 5. There are 11 players (plus usually 3 subs) playing each week, and they defend and attack as a team. Also, to state that a player is automatically bad (unless he meets some convenient criteria of not having played enough games) because he plays in a team that is allowing too many goals is to overly simplify things, which I am sure that you are aware of.
Quote from: RaySmith on December 04, 2018, 08:01:31 AM
None of our players is crap. Remember this is the Prem with incredibly high standards - the top players in the world, costing top dollar.
This Fulham squad and manager would probably walk the Championship.
Agree with MJG hat Seri might have a confidence issue, like a few of our players - he must surely have a better first touch than he demonstrated in that crucial early error last Saturday - but he looked nervous. Well, his big fee puts pressure on him, along with all the pressure of adapting to a foreign country's top league.
I do feel he could do well for us, though we haven't much time, of course, but i think he's shown enough to presevere with him. But I do think he puts in a shift, and wants to impress and do well with Fulham,
covering a lot of ground up and down the pitch, and putting in tackles.
I agree fully with this. Short of players obviously disrespecting the shirt, they should always get our support. What can sometimes be seen as not trying hard enough is almost always down to confidence and/or not being able to find your role in the team.
I remember when people here were slating me for thinking that Victor Nilsson Lindelöf of Man U would be a good signing when he was having some trouble and there was talk of loaning him out. Not up to Premier League standard. Now he has played a couple of good games he is suddenly regarded as one of the best defenders in the league.
Seri has already shown his quality earlier in the season. I don't believe that was just a fluke and he suddenly forgot how to play.
Quote from: MJG on December 04, 2018, 06:59:51 AM
Seri made the second highest number of tackles on Sunday. He is far from crap. Low on confidence and we are finding it hard to get the best out of him but he will come good.
i hope he does find the form that clearly made the club want to buy him, because so far he is nowhere near value for money and yes he does appear low on confidence. But if you are having a bad game, you can still run around, somebody needs to tell him.
But we need him to get his act together sooner rather than later. As the season won't last for ever. We certainly cannot afford passengers at the moment or at any time in the near future. As for his tackles, he couldnt tackle a boiled egg, you must mean his fishing tackle.
I am not sure he wants to be here, and his current application in games mirrors that.
I think we're slowly making the decision that Seri needs confidence to return to his earlier performances this season.
So, made sense for Ranieri not to drag him off at half time. Would make sense for him to start tomorrow?
So Anguissa on the bench?
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on December 03, 2018, 12:08:53 PM
Rico
Christie TFM Mawson Bryan
Chambers McDonald/Anguissa
Ayité Cairney Sessegnon
Mitrović
Subs:
Bettinelli
Odoi
MLM
Seri
Vietto
Kebano
Kamara
Assuming one of kev/anguissa is fit and that Schürrle is still out.
I'm still not convinced that Ayite offers us much
Quote from: Statto on December 03, 2018, 01:23:24 PM
Quote from: Mitrovic the warrior on December 03, 2018, 01:16:50 PM
Seems I'm the only one that rates Seri. Oh well.
Rico
Christie Odoi Mawson Bryan (if fit)
Chambers Seri
Ayite/Kebano/Schurrle Cairney Sess
Mitro
i agree with you
also i reckon ranieri will as well
I agree with both of you. And I bet Statto is right about CR rating Seri.
Quote from: Sting of the North on December 04, 2018, 10:10:53 AM
Well, I believe that this should then apply to the whole team and not just the back 5. There are 11 players (plus usually 3 subs) playing each week, and they defend and attack as a team. Also, to state that a player is automatically bad (unless he meets some convenient criteria of not having played enough games) because he plays in a team that is allowing too many goals is to overly simplify things, which I am sure that you are aware of.
Hmmm... "some convenient criteria" that Rico and Mawson haven't been playing? To paraphrase Andy Dufresne I'd say it's decidedly inconvenient because with those two playing from the start of the season we might have got some more points.
Anyway I agree with you it's not just about the defence, but nonetheless it's the defenders I've watched falling over each other like clowns or standing there like statues each week, so among those who are playing, I'm going to blame the CBs like Odoi more than I'm going to blame Mitro, Ssessegnon and Cairney
Quote from: Statto on December 04, 2018, 01:33:25 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on December 04, 2018, 10:10:53 AM
Well, I believe that this should then apply to the whole team and not just the back 5. There are 11 players (plus usually 3 subs) playing each week, and they defend and attack as a team. Also, to state that a player is automatically bad (unless he meets some convenient criteria of not having played enough games) because he plays in a team that is allowing too many goals is to overly simplify things, which I am sure that you are aware of.
Hmmm... "some convenient criteria" that Rico and Mawson haven't been playing? To paraphrase Andy Dufresne I'd say it's decidedly inconvenient because with those two playing from the start of the season we might have got some more points.
Anyway I agree with you it's not just about the defence, but nonetheless it's the defenders I've watched falling over each other like clowns or standing there like statues each week, so among those who are playing, I'm going to blame the CBs like Odoi more than I'm going to blame Mitro, Ssessegnon and Cairney
The "convenient" part was targeted at the fact that it strengthens your argument that Odoi is more to blame than the others, not that it was convenient that they have been missing. Sorry if that was not obvious. Also, not trying to pick a fight here, just feel like Odoi gets a lot of stick when for example Mawson gets away with a lot. Still think that he has had a few decent games, and a few bad. The first goal against Chelsea, although the situation happened by no fault of his, I think that he was heavily at fault for Chelsea actually scoring. Or rather, for not trying to stop them. Every professional defender should know that you shouldn't let the player go inside you in that situation, but Mawson overcommited so much that he actually invited Pedro to go inside and score.
Other than that, I also disagree with your view that our defenders are playing like clowns and statues. I believe that they are playing like players that are not part of a well drilled unit. Last 3 games however it has looked better.
I think we have a tendency to lose it a bit when we face big teams. I understand it is a measuring stick, but at the same time it's like prematch we say "Okay, would be nice to not lose by too many goals here," then after the match we start the assassination of our players. I say that word because it really is the mentality of "If he never puts on a Fulham shirt again, I'll be glad.", meaning it's so extreme and final. I get that privilege we have as fans, but the logic escapes along with that.
With that said, here's my proposed line up. I am not quite sure if Schurrle will be ready to start, but to be safe, I'll slot in Kamara since he had a good showing against Chelsea. Think it's not the time to change too much though as I'd personally like to see the same back four, but can understand the need for the manager to see a couple of players such as Bryan and Kamara. Questions of Seri of course, but I am a believer in stacking confidence meaning our confidence should grow as a team in the Chelsea performance, therefore Seri should get some opportunity to boost his own which is most likely shaky right now. That will help in the long run of this season. I think if he's not selected, his confidence could shake more and that could hurt us going forward. Only real question here is whether Cairney will be rested or not, but I'm going to defer to not, mainly because I don't think Seri can play that role and Johansen has been streaky at best in the starter spot. If we didn't have a match against United on Saturday, this would have been a lot easier picking. Regardless here we go.
4-2-3-1
Rico
Christie Odoi Mawson Bryan
Seri Chambers
Kamara Cairney Sessegnon
Mitro
Subs: Betts, Fosu-Mensah, Johansen, Zambo, Kebano, Cisse, Schurrle
Schurrle for Johansen will be the only change. Wouldn't mind seeing Bryan for Le Marchand but both are solid.
Quote from: MrFFC on December 04, 2018, 05:25:37 PM
Schurrle for Johansen will be the only change. Wouldn't mind seeing Bryan for Le Marchand but both are solid.
if he is fit, can see zambo in for Seri too
