When will the "Tinkerman" wake up and smell the coffee that playing Seri in the centre of Fulham's midfield is harmful to further progress in our campaign to stay up.
Seri does not tackle, loses the ball far too easily, has poor work-rate and offers the defense no covering support. He is kept in by a 'wonder-goal', something he will probably never repeat.
Last week Ranieri dropped Fulham star player Tom Cairney to accomodate this failing midfielder. We have seen similar laconic performances from Aguissa, who although harshly red carded last weekend, it may well be a blessing in disguise. As someone has stated on this forum; THEY ARE NOT FIT TO WEAR THE SHIRT, and we should be making plans to recoup our spending in the January by off-loading these misfits and bring in the players we need to save our season.
Fulham should begin to keep a core first team together rather than these continued experiments as Ranieri goes through the process of learning who are his best players in the entire squad. We need width and balls into Mitrovic, good link play from Cairney whose perception and awareness of teammates is second to none. A pity Ranieri does not seem to possess the same perspicuity.
He isn't going anywhere :)
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11681/11574685/jean-michael-seri-can-turn-fulhams-season-around-says-claudio-ranieri
An article in the Times showed that he is one of the leading midfield provider of assists for goals and chances in the division. He was also down the bottom of the same table for tackles and interceptions. That should tell you where he should play.
He is a good player and this continual moan - not fit to wear the shirt etc - does nobody any favours.
There's pretty ample evidence at this point that the starting XI can't (best) accomodate both Cairney and Seri. As Seri also appears to be a bad fit with Anguissa, this could get interesting. We'll see what the gaffer's preferences are, but early returns have shown he will sacrifice Cairney before he does Seri.
Would Seri be better suited to the role just behind Mitro.
Ranieri seems to favour Cairney there mostly.
If swapped Seri losing the ball so often might not be so damaging.
Cairney we hope would retain possession better.
Quote from: SG on December 13, 2018, 02:26:00 PM
An article in the Times showed that he is one of the leading midfield provider of assists for goals and chances in the division. He was also down the bottom of the same table for tackles and interceptions. That should tell you where he should play.
He is a good player and this continual moan - not fit to wear the shirt etc - does nobody any favours.
He is actually top of our table for tackles and interceptions and therefore better than the rest of our midfield, just that's not good by PL standards generally. It shows we as a team are defending very poorly.
Quote from: Denver Fulham on December 13, 2018, 05:43:25 PM
There's pretty ample evidence at this point that the starting XI can't (best) accomodate both Cairney and Seri. As Seri also appears to be a bad fit with Anguissa, this could get interesting. We'll see what the gaffer's preferences are, but early returns have shown he will sacrifice Cairney before he does Seri.
Would you kindly present said evidence? Of the more recent games, Seri and Cairney played together against Leicester second half, started against Chelsea and against Southampton. All games we were at least decent. Admittedly, they also started against Man United, but that to me rather points to that the combination of Seri and Cairney may not be the problem as such. Just interested in what ample evidence we have of them not being able to play together?
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Quote from: Denver Fulham on December 13, 2018, 05:43:25 PM
There's pretty ample evidence at this point that the starting XI can't (best) accomodate both Cairney and Seri. As Seri also appears to be a bad fit with Anguissa, this could get interesting. We'll see what the gaffer's preferences are, but early returns have shown he will sacrifice Cairney before he does Seri.
Would you kindly present said evidence? Of the more recent games, Seri and Cairney played together against Leicester second half, started against Chelsea and against Southampton. All games we were at least decent. Admittedly, they also started against Man United, but that to me rather points to that the combination of Seri and Cairney may not be the problem as such. Just interested in what ample evidence we have of them not being able to play together?
Seri's strengths are in chance creation, and definitely not in tackling or positional defense, although he's generally trying harder in those areas recently (the second goal vs United a notably bad exception). Cairney's strengths are in possession and distribution, and not in tackling or pressing, which he's being asked to do more of by Ranieri, both in media comments and in formation/application. If we're using two of our three midfield spots for guys who can't really defend, we're asking too much of our one defensive midfielder, especially when you're playing guys like Schurlle or Kamara who are terrible defenders (at least positionally).
Since Tom was removed from the starting XI against Leicester, and was subbed at halftime vs United, and Seri wasn't, my assumption is Ranieri sees Seri as more critical. Based on his other options, that may be correct. Based on who impacts our play more, that may not be correct, but who would people here like to see play ahead of Seri? The only real option is a Chambers-Anguissa double DM setup, which I wouldn't mind seeing, but it might not be good offensively. Johansen and McDonald are not viable options, imo. We have no idea about Cisse, but he's also a second DM, not a creator like Seri.
I think it's a legit quandary based more on the new manager's system preferences and our roster. I'd imagine most people here would prefer Cairney play over Seri if we had to choose one. It just hasn't been the manager's choice, at least through four matches.
(Edit: To clarify, it may not even be Tom/Mika's fault. If you had a much better 6 and a right wing who defended properly, you might be able to pull it off. I'm just saying WITH OUR CURRENT ROSTER, it's unclear whether both can play extended minutes together.)
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Quote from: Sting of the North on December 13, 2018, 06:26:59 PM
Quote from: Denver Fulham on December 13, 2018, 05:43:25 PM
There's pretty ample evidence at this point that the starting XI can't (best) accomodate both Cairney and Seri. As Seri also appears to be a bad fit with Anguissa, this could get interesting. We'll see what the gaffer's preferences are, but early returns have shown he will sacrifice Cairney before he does Seri.
Would you kindly present said evidence? Of the more recent games, Seri and Cairney played together against Leicester second half, started against Chelsea and against Southampton. All games we were at least decent. Admittedly, they also started against Man United, but that to me rather points to that the combination of Seri and Cairney may not be the problem as such. Just interested in what ample evidence we have of them not being able to play together?
Seri's strengths are in chance creation, and definitely not in tackling or positional defense, although he's generally trying harder in those areas recently (the second goal vs United a notably bad exception). Cairney's strengths are in possession and distribution, and not in tackling or pressing, which he's being asked to do more of by Ranieri, both in media comments and in formation/application. If we're using two of our three midfield spots for guys who can't really defend, we're asking too much of our one defensive midfielder, especially when you're playing guys like Schurlle or Kamara who are terrible defenders (at least positionally).
Since Tom was removed from the starting XI against Leicester, and was subbed at halftime vs United, and Seri wasn't, my assumption is Ranieri sees Seri as more critical. Based on his other options, that may be correct. Based on who impacts our play more, that may not be correct, but who would people here like to see play ahead of Seri? The only real option is a Chambers-Anguissa double DM setup, which I wouldn't mind seeing, but it might not be good offensively. Johansen and McDonald are not viable options, imo. We have no idea about Cisse, but he's also a second DM, not a creator like Seri.
I think it's a legit quandary based more on the new manager's system preferences and our roster. I'd imagine most people here would prefer Cairney play over Seri if we had to choose one. It just hasn't been the manager's choice, at least through four matches.
Appreciate the explanation, don't necessarily agree. Actually, Seri is not bad in tackling as evidenced by stats, and he is also generally good at pressing. Or, at least not bad compared to our other midfielders. If we assume that one midfielder is Chambers in a more defensive role, then I do not agree that playing Seri along side him has to be bad. Seri helps out plenty defensively and is not in my opinion a luxury player. Cairney on the other hand, has been playing more of an attacking midfielder, or a number 10. In my opinion Cairney's ability to keep possession is important to the team, since he is miles above everyone else in the squad in that regard. He helps the team breathe a little by not constantly loosing the ball, as is otherwise too often the case.
Also, maybe as you point out yourself the problem doesn't have to be that Seri and Cairney can't be accommodated in the same starting eleven, but that we cannot also be defensively weak on the flanks like we are when for example Schürrle or Kamara plays.
In short, I agree that the lineup doesn't exactly look defensively great at most times, but not sure the solution is to put Cairney or Seri on the bench. Especially when we really don't seem to have any decent options in the squad, unless Cisse all of a sudden turn out to be a real player.
Quote from: Denver Fulham on December 13, 2018, 06:47:43 PM
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(Edit: To clarify, it may not even be Tom/Mika's fault. If you had a much better 6 and a right wing who defended properly, you might be able to pull it off. I'm just saying WITH OUR CURRENT ROSTER, it's unclear whether both can play extended minutes together.)
Just saw this edit. I totally understand where you're coming from. However, I see it the other way around. With the current squad, can we afford to not play both Seri and Cairney when we are very short on decent options?
The evidence is in the proof of the pudding, being that Fulham are the bottom of the PL having spent over £100 million and Seri has played in every match! Having seen Fulham play the best football in ANY division last season with Tom Cairney instrumental in the heart of almost every move, we have become the "whipping boys" of this league and our defence is suffering from lack of protection because of lazy and indolent frogs like Seri.
Seri was at fault in our last match for at least two goals as he is virtually every week. Forget phantom stats and believe what you see!
Quote from: Nick Bateman on December 13, 2018, 08:34:43 PM
The evidence is in the proof of the pudding, being that Fulham are the bottom of the PL having spent over £100 million and Seri has played in every match! Having seen Fulham play the best football in ANY division last season with Tom Cairney instrumental in the heart of almost every move, we have become the "whipping boys" of this league and our defence is suffering from lack of protection because of lazy and indolent frogs like Seri.
Seri was at fault in our last match for at least two goals as he is virtually every week. Forget phantom stats and believe what you see!
QuoteThat's what I have done all season but I have now booked an appointment to Vision Express as my Specsavers prescribed glasses are apparently not working, I believe what I see or what I think I see, agree with you Nick!
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(Edit: To clarify, it may not even be Tom/Mika's fault. If you had a much better 6 and a right wing who defended properly, you might be able to pull it off. I'm just saying WITH OUR CURRENT ROSTER, it's unclear whether both can play extended minutes together.)
Just saw this edit. I totally understand where you're coming from. However, I see it the other way around. With the current squad, can we afford to not play both Seri and Cairney when we are very short on decent options?
I don't know what the best option is. The real answer may be "we have a more manageable schedule now." Six of our first 16 matches have been away to top-7 sides. It's been very lopsided, so marginal improvements in play against lesser opponents may equal better results. I hope so, anyway.
Then we can see in January what we really need personnel-wise, but I highly suspect that list includes a CB better than Odoi, a DM much better than what we have seen from Anguissa, and a quality two-way right wing/right midfield type.
Much as I regret it, I must add that I think unless he up's his game considerably, Tom is not a Prem player. So desperately one footed, slow of pace and slow of perception he's getting done time and again by frankly, middle of the road Prem players.
The gulf between Champ and Prem is massive. Your Cairney's, Ream's, KMac, Johansen ... we need to say thanks but no thanks. We must move on, Sadly our recruitment team have proved pretty clueless so far so survival is all we can hope for and then another off load and re build. The lesson learned so far, avoid French League mid fielders!
People know my opinion.
Fulham have played 16 games, and conceded 40 goals. I repeat. 40 goals in less than half a season.
Seri makes tackles (and the occasional Karate kick) and has good feet when he's facing an attacker that has he ball in front of him... but he's NOT physically to a level where he can be a #6 or a #8 against a strong midfield. He's not.
That said...even though he didn't have a great game against United...he showed effort. And considering he played 3 games in 7 days...that fact impressed me. Not because he was good, but because it looked like his endurance was getting better.
Claudio is going to ride or die with Seri ...so there is no point in beating a dead horse.
All I ask from Seri is that he play smart...and shows "good" effort.
any of us that actually go to the games can clearly see seri is having a terrible time and contributes so very little good and plenty that is second rate
PLUS
His work ethic is a non event.
he needs a spell on the bench to focus his mind
One accepted TC being left out having recovered from injury in the Everton game, which incidently was the catalyst for Fulham's decline in form without him. Now he has recovered and has PROVEN quality the manager should show the nous to pick him, certainly above a player from the French league who has never shown he can handle the physical nature of English football.
I would opt for Kevin Macdonald alongside Cairney.
Don't blame the transfers for our problems. We should be able to get a few clean sheets and compete with Cardiff, Wolves and Huddersfield using last years starting XI, but we know the team below would let in 2 goals per game and that's not because of a weak bench of new recruits.
Betts
Christie Odoi Ream Bryan
Johnson KMac
AK47/Atyie Cairney Sessegnon
Mitro
Subs: Rico, Mawson, MLM, Chambers, Anguissa, Seri, Shurrle
The xenophobic language that has creeped onto this site in the last few weeks is making it much more uncomfortable place to visit and I believe unless it's dealt with will not be to the benefit of FOF.
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 06:42:27 AM
The xenophobic language that has creeped onto this site in the last few weeks is making it much more uncomfortable place to visit and I believe unless it's dealt with will not be to the benefit of FOF.
I once went out with a girl who was xenophobic, she hated Cornish Pasties.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on December 14, 2018, 01:21:06 AM
Don't blame the transfers for our problems. We should be able to get a few clean sheets and compete with Cardiff, Wolves and Huddersfield using last years starting XI, but we know the team below would let in 2 goals per game and that's not because of a weak bench of new recruits.
Betts
Christie Odoi Ream Bryan
Johnson KMac
AK47/Atyie Cairney Sessegnon
Mitro
Subs: Rico, Mawson, MLM, Chambers, Anguissa, Seri, Shurrle
I would put Mawson for ream and that team would offer more than the present line up and run through walls for the cause.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 06:42:27 AM
The xenophobic language that has creeped onto this site in the last few weeks is making it much more uncomfortable place to visit and I believe unless it's dealt with will not be to the benefit of FOF.
I once went out with a girl who was xenophobic, she hated Cornish Pasties.
Nothing wrong with Cornish Pasties!! (LOL)
I understand the topic starter needs a scapegoat and releases all his anger on Seri but IMO there's a reason why the manager chooses to play Seri and I doubt it's because his pricetag.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on December 14, 2018, 12:00:56 AM
One accepted TC being left out having recovered from injury in the Everton game, which incidently was the catalyst for Fulham's decline in form without him. Now he has recovered and has PROVEN quality the manager should show the nous to pick him, certainly above a Frenchman who has never shown he can handle the physical nature of English football.
I would opt for Kevin Macdonald alongside Cairney.
I Know you know your footie Nick but Tom got his injury at home against Burnley, not away against Everton.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 06:42:27 AM
The xenophobic language that has creeped onto this site in the last few weeks is making it much more uncomfortable place to visit and I believe unless it's dealt with will not be to the benefit of FOF.
I once went out with a girl who was xenophobic, she hated Cornish Pasties.
you can try and deflect my post away from the subject with some humour but I commented on because that's how I see it it here.
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 08:09:44 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 06:42:27 AM
The xenophobic language that has creeped onto this site in the last few weeks is making it much more uncomfortable place to visit and I believe unless it's dealt with will not be to the benefit of FOF.
I once went out with a girl who was xenophobic, she hated Cornish Pasties.
you can try and deflect my post away from the subject with some humour but I commented on because that's how I see it it here.
Think your getting a tad worked up about nothing Mike.
I hate that Macron fella,just as I hate the p**** 3 doors from us,does that make me xenophobic just because Macron is French.
Some comments attract more interest when highlighted.
We're all grown up here, a few descriptions accepted during our lifetimes won't bring the world down.
Too many snowflake pc brigage attitudes stifling this country........ ::pirate::
:merry christmas: :merry christmas: xma2
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 08:54:37 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 08:09:44 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 06:42:27 AM
The xenophobic language that has creeped onto this site in the last few weeks is making it much more uncomfortable place to visit and I believe unless it's dealt with will not be to the benefit of FOF.
I once went out with a girl who was xenophobic, she hated Cornish Pasties.
you can try and deflect my post away from the subject with some humour but I commented on because that's how I see it it here.
Think your getting a tad worked up about nothing Mike.
I hate that Macron fella,just as I hate the p**** 3 doors from us,does that make me xenophobic just because Macron is French.
No, but I'm talking about the language being used and you know perfectly well what I'm talking aboyt on this thread and elsewhere.
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 09:28:45 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 08:54:37 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 08:09:44 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 06:42:27 AM
The xenophobic language that has creeped onto this site in the last few weeks is making it much more uncomfortable place to visit and I believe unless it's dealt with will not be to the benefit of FOF.
I once went out with a girl who was xenophobic, she hated Cornish Pasties.
you can try and deflect my post away from the subject with some humour but I commented on because that's how I see it it here.
Think your getting a tad worked up about nothing Mike.
I hate that Macron fella,just as I hate the p**** 3 doors from us,does that make me xenophobic just because Macron is French.
No, but I'm talking about the language being used and you know perfectly well what I'm talking aboyt on this thread and elsewhere.
Fair enough I take your point.
Lee Clark gives a very interesting interview on the Fulhamish podcast where he pinpoints many of the new signings and Seri & Schurrle are used as prime examples who aren't pulling their weight. Stats I wouldn't give you a thank you for - it's largely Tony Khan's naff STAT based signings which have proven so terrible and bad fit for what we need. Unfortunately both Seri & Schurrle whilst obviously talented players in some respects are bad fits for what FFC need.
Someone ironically like Lee Clark would be exactly what this side needs, industrious a threat going forward, tracks back - ditto a Sean Davis, Legwinski etc - all of which would benefit us a lot more than Seri, Anguissa & Schurrle. Clarky also goes on to say that it was a mistake to totally disregard many of the players that got us to this level and whilst some may not be up to the standard - he has a point as I guarantee you that last years side that won the playoffs would beat this team - it's not just "talent" that matters, it's passion, work ethic and team spirit - a side with greater parts of these elements will often beat a side with a few more technically able players (not that Anguissa is technically able!!)
Nose - you are so right - anyone actually at the game would see Seri's very poor work ethic - not worth his transfer fee whatever nationality he is - however because he has played previously in the French Ligue he may be struggling to adapt
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on December 14, 2018, 09:38:00 AM
Lee Clark gives a very interesting interview on the Fulhamish podcast where he pinpoints many of the new signings and Seri & Schurrle are used as prime examples who aren't pulling their weight. Stats I wouldn't give you a thank you for - it's largely Tony Khan's naff STAT based signings which hhave proven so terrible and bad fit for what we need. Unfortunately both Seri & Schurrle whilst obviously talented players in some respects are bad fits for what FFC need.
Someone ironically like Lee Clark would be exactly what this side needs, industrious a threat going forward, tracks back - ditto a Sean Davis, Legwinski etc - all of which would benefit us a lot more than Seri, Anguissa & Schurrle. Clarky also goes on to say that it was a mistake to totally disregard many of the players that got us to this level and whilst some may not be up to the standard - he has a point as I guarantee you that last years side that won the playoffs would beat this team - it's not just "talent" that matters, it's passion, work ethic and team spirit - a side with greater parts of these elements will often beat a side with a few more technically able players (not that Anguissa is technically able!!)
I have already said last season's side would have obtained more points that this season's side and the main reason is they clicked together like clockwork. They knew each other and were bonded together in a way that made points winning very much simpler than it had been when they were not so familiar and didn't click together. The object of the observations I make is to remind all concerned that it takes time to get players to click and once you have it you do not destroy it easily. It is the last part that our recruiters almost entirely ignored.
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on December 14, 2018, 09:38:00 AM
Lee Clark gives a very interesting interview on the Fulhamish podcast where he pinpoints many of the new signings and Seri & Schurrle are used as prime examples who aren't pulling their weight. Stats I wouldn't give you a thank you for - it's largely Tony Khan's naff STAT based signings which hhave proven so terrible and bad fit for what we need. Unfortunately both Seri & Schurrle whilst obviously talented players in some respects are bad fits for what FFC need.
Someone ironically like Lee Clark would be exactly what this side needs, industrious a threat going forward, tracks back - ditto a Sean Davis, Legwinski etc - all of which would benefit us a lot more than Seri, Anguissa & Schurrle. Clarky also goes on to say that it was a mistake to totally disregard many of the players that got us to this level and whilst some may not be up to the standard - he has a point as I guarantee you that last years side that won the playoffs would beat this team - it's not just "talent" that matters, it's passion, work ethic and team spirit - a side with greater parts of these elements will often beat a side with a few more technically able players (not that Anguissa is technically able!!)
Without commenting on what Lee is saying, I noticed on looking at an old video, how good the team that won at Old Trafford 3-1 in 2003 now looks , with Lee himself, Steed and Inamoto scoring, and with Van Der Saar, Boa, Goma, Bonnisel, Legwinski, Saha, Volz.
Our curent team is still a work in progress you could say, but we don't have much time to get it right,but feel under CR we have a good cahnce of surviving..
I think more laughable than the WUM that is Master Bates, is the fact that Seri is not French, he is Ivorian. A bit like calling an Australian an Englishman.
I believe he has also referred in the past to Anguissa being a "frog" - he of course is from Cameroon.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 06:42:27 AM
The xenophobic language that has creeped onto this site in the last few weeks is making it much more uncomfortable place to visit and I believe unless it's dealt with will not be to the benefit of FOF.
I once went out with a girl who was xenophobic, she hated Cornish Pasties.
I am struggling a little with modern language, just about got to gripps with xeophobic (although it is not in my big old dictionaries) but suspect that Cornish Pasties has a meaning other than people living in Cornwall.
Out of interest, why have mine and several other comments about the OP making a racist post been removed? Just because you remove the one offending sentence that made clear he was being racist, doesn't really diminish from the quite obvious point of where he was going with this post?
Quote from: davew on December 14, 2018, 07:15:47 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 06:42:27 AM
The xenophobic language that has creeped onto this site in the last few weeks is making it much more uncomfortable place to visit and I believe unless it's dealt with will not be to the benefit of FOF.
I once went out with a girl who was xenophobic, she hated Cornish Pasties.
Nothing wrong with Cornish Pasties!! (LOL)
Quote from: davew on December 14, 2018, 07:15:47 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 06:42:27 AM
The xenophobic language that has creeped onto this site in the last few weeks is making it much more uncomfortable place to visit and I believe unless it's dealt with will not be to the benefit of FOF.
I once went out with a girl who was xenophobic, she hated Cornish Pasties.
Nothing wrong with Cornish Pasties!! (LOL)
Quote from: davew on December 14, 2018, 07:15:47 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 06:42:27 AM
The xenophobic language that has creeped onto this site in the last few weeks is making it much more uncomfortable place to visit and I believe unless it's dealt with will not be to the benefit of FOF.
I once went out with a girl who was xenophobic, she hated Cornish Pasties.
Nothing wrong with Cornish Pasties!! (LOL)
I love a full English every morning.
Quote from: Baszab on December 14, 2018, 09:50:00 AM
Nose - you are so right - anyone actually at the game would see Seri's very poor work ethic - not worth his transfer fee whatever nationality he is - however because he has played previously in the French Ligue he may be struggling to adapt
My youngest son likes seri and also thinks the stats are relevant. i actually think there is a talented pklayer inside seri but he is not doing it at the moment for whatever reason but worse is he really is not appearing to give 100%. When I wach sess and mitro they run themselves into the ground, if they m,ake errors they try to rectify them, seri seems to stand and watch and some of the replays are painful the number of times he is at the center of things going wrong.
As I say, I think he might yet becaome a top player but he is way off it at the moment and I do think good management would have him on the bench for a while to focus his attention.
From my perspective Seri is not that bad a player except in his tracking back. He and Anguisa are not good enough and you often see them looking at the opponents mid field running through them they should be trying close them to close them down. Also he tends to play Tom further up the field close to Mitro to pick up all the lay offs.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on December 13, 2018, 01:48:42 PM
When will the "Tinkerman" wake up and smell the coffee that playing Seri in the centre of Fulham's midfield is harmful to further progress in our campaign to stay up.
Seri does not tackle, loses the ball far too easily, has poor work-rate and offers the defense no covering support. He is kept in by a 'wonder-goal', something he will probably never repeat.
Last week Ranieri dropped Fulham star player Tom Cairney to accomodate this failing midfielder. We have seen similar laconic performances from Aguissa, who although harshly red carded last weekend, it may well be a blessing in disguise. As someone has stated on this forum; THEY ARE NOT FIT TO WEAR THE SHIRT, and we should be making plans to recoup our spending in the January by off-loading these misfits and bring in the players we need to save our season.
Fulham should begin to keep a core first team together rather than these continued experiments as Ranieri goes through the process of learning who are his best players in the entire squad. We need width and balls into Mitrovic, good link play from Cairney whose perception and awareness of teammates is second to none. A pity Ranieri does not seem to possess the same perspicuity.
Sorry, but you're chatting utter nonsense.
Quote from: davew on December 13, 2018, 08:47:38 PM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on December 13, 2018, 08:34:43 PM
The evidence is in the proof of the pudding, being that Fulham are the bottom of the PL having spent over £100 million and Seri has played in every match! Having seen Fulham play the best football in ANY division last season with Tom Cairney instrumental in the heart of almost every move, we have become the "whipping boys" of this league and our defence is suffering from lack of protection because of lazy and indolent frogs like Seri.
Seri was at fault in our last match for at least two goals as he is virtually every week. Forget phantom stats and believe what you see!
QuoteThat's what I have done all season but I have now booked an appointment to Vision Express as my Specsavers prescribed glasses are apparently not working, I believe what I see or what I think I see, agree with you Nick!
me too
Quote from: toshes mate on December 14, 2018, 10:04:21 AM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on December 14, 2018, 09:38:00 AM
Lee Clark gives a very interesting interview on the Fulhamish podcast where he pinpoints many of the new signings and Seri & Schurrle are used as prime examples who aren't pulling their weight. Stats I wouldn't give you a thank you for - it's largely Tony Khan's naff STAT based signings which hhave proven so terrible and bad fit for what we need. Unfortunately both Seri & Schurrle whilst obviously talented players in some respects are bad fits for what FFC need.
Someone ironically like Lee Clark would be exactly what this side needs, industrious a threat going forward, tracks back - ditto a Sean Davis, Legwinski etc - all of which would benefit us a lot more than Seri, Anguissa & Schurrle. Clarky also goes on to say that it was a mistake to totally disregard many of the players that got us to this level and whilst some may not be up to the standard - he has a point as I guarantee you that last years side that won the playoffs would beat this team - it's not just "talent" that matters, it's passion, work ethic and team spirit - a side with greater parts of these elements will often beat a side with a few more technically able players (not that Anguissa is technically able!!)
I have already said last season's side would have obtained more points that this season's side and the main reason is they clicked together like clockwork. They knew each other and were bonded together in a way that made points winning very much simpler than it had been when they were not so familiar and didn't click together. The object of the observations I make is to remind all concerned that it takes time to get players to click and once you have it you do not destroy it easily. It is the last part that our recruiters almost entirely ignored.
Sorry but how on earth do you know that last seasons side would have obtained more points, these are the sort of comments that really annoy me because you cannot possibly know that. I don't mean to come across all fussy but it what I need to say.
Yes, what we need right now is Lee Clark in our midfield and while that it is not possible it is worth giving credibility to his comments.
A few of us have been saying for some time that we cannot afford the luxury of both Cairney and Seri in midfield. The hard fact is that we are getting beaten in this area and we really need a tough ball winner to get us in the game, neither Seri or Cairney can do this job. Until we find better we should use either Mc Donald or Johanson in this role
Quote from: filham on December 14, 2018, 02:32:08 PM
Yes, what we need right now is Lee Clark in our midfield and while that it is not possible it is worth giving credibility to his comments.
A few of us have been saying for some time that we cannot afford the luxury of both Cairney and Seri in midfield. The hard fact is that we are getting beaten in this area and we really need a tough ball winner to get us in the game, neither Seri or Cairney can do this job. Until we find better we should use either Mc Donald or Johanson in this role
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I think Seri and Cairney can provide tremendous attacking capabilities, playing together. Just fix the defensive midfield role and another solid centre half to play alongside Mawson.
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 09:28:45 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 08:54:37 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 08:09:44 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 06:42:27 AM
The xenophobic language that has creeped onto this site in the last few weeks is making it much more uncomfortable place to visit and I believe unless it's dealt with will not be to the benefit of FOF.
I once went out with a girl who was xenophobic, she hated Cornish Pasties.
you can try and deflect my post away from the subject with some humour but I commented on because that's how I see it it here.
Think your getting a tad worked up about nothing Mike.
I hate that Macron fella,just as I hate the p**** 3 doors from us,does that make me xenophobic just because Macron is French.
No, but I'm talking about the language being used and you know perfectly well what I'm talking aboyt on this thread and elsewhere.
Honestly I do not see the difference between zenophobia and expressing dislike for Chelsea or QPR.
Racism, sexism etc have a different status legally and culturally because the context there is slavery and decades of institutional prejudice, inequality etc. They're groups that have been treated poorly by our society at times in the past.
No one persecuted the French. There are 70 million of them and they are doing fine. Most of them dislike us and call us "roast beef". So I see no problem with calling them frogs for a bit of a laugh, and enjoying getting one over on them in the World Cup. Oh and don't even get me started on the krauts...
Quote from: Bill2 on December 14, 2018, 11:29:50 AM
From my perspective Seri is not that bad a player except in his tracking back. He and Anguisa are not good enough and you often see them looking at the opponents mid field running through them they should be trying close them to close them down. Also he tends to play Tom further up the field close to Mitro to pick up all the lay offs.
He's not a bad player. He's playing poorly in this league at the moment. When I see one of our back line players passing the ball to Seri so that he can initiate something from the back I'm thinking..."hey, he ain't no dang #8...if he loses the ball because the opposing mid is pressing him...and happens to be stronger and faster than Seri...we're screwed"
Seri is not a #8. He's not even really a #6.
If I were an opposing coach I would have Seri man marked and press him every time it even looked like he was going to get the ball.
Quote from: alfie on December 14, 2018, 01:14:55 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on December 14, 2018, 10:04:21 AM
Quote from: Spirit of 2000 on December 14, 2018, 09:38:00 AM
Lee Clark gives a very interesting interview on the Fulhamish podcast where he pinpoints many of the new signings and Seri & Schurrle are used as prime examples who aren't pulling their weight. Stats I wouldn't give you a thank you for - it's largely Tony Khan's naff STAT based signings which hhave proven so terrible and bad fit for what we need. Unfortunately both Seri & Schurrle whilst obviously talented players in some respects are bad fits for what FFC need.
Someone ironically like Lee Clark would be exactly what this side needs, industrious a threat going forward, tracks back - ditto a Sean Davis, Legwinski etc - all of which would benefit us a lot more than Seri, Anguissa & Schurrle. Clarky also goes on to say that it was a mistake to totally disregard many of the players that got us to this level and whilst some may not be up to the standard - he has a point as I guarantee you that last years side that won the playoffs would beat this team - it's not just "talent" that matters, it's passion, work ethic and team spirit - a side with greater parts of these elements will often beat a side with a few more technically able players (not that Anguissa is technically able!!)
I have already said last season's side would have obtained more points that this season's side and the main reason is they clicked together like clockwork. They knew each other and were bonded together in a way that made points winning very much simpler than it had been when they were not so familiar and didn't click together. The object of the observations I make is to remind all concerned that it takes time to get players to click and once you have it you do not destroy it easily. It is the last part that our recruiters almost entirely ignored.
I have given my reasons for my opinion so there is really no reason for you to be annoyed unless of course you doubt the logic of my original posting on the subject or perhaps haven't even read it.
One stands corrected on Seri's nationality, he is Ivorian, and Anguissa from Cameroon, and both play for their countries and not eligible to play from France, who have "nationalised" many from their colonies.
They did however play in the French league which is an inferior standard to even England's 2nd tier. Perhaps they need time to adapt, I had hoped Anguissa could become Fulham's "Patrick Vieira", he showed coolness under pressure, has an imposing stature and shows decent ball skills. Unfortunately he is a lazy blighter, a criticism I would not impart on Seri.
Seri, in my view, does not seem to know when or where to apply himself - he looks "lost". To omit Tom Cairney for such a poor performer is folly and it may be too late to turn our fortunes around if "Tinkerman" does not see it soon.
The players may need time that Fulham have none to allow them and one would rather get rid in January, recoup some of the millions wasted, and reinvest in quality proven new blood.
Quote from: Statto on December 14, 2018, 03:19:14 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 09:28:45 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 08:54:37 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 08:09:44 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 06:42:27 AM
The xenophobic language that has creeped onto this site in the last few weeks is making it much more uncomfortable place to visit and I believe unless it's dealt with will not be to the benefit of FOF.
I once went out with a girl who was xenophobic, she hated Cornish Pasties.
you can try and deflect my post away from the subject with some humour but I commented on because that's how I see it it here.
Think your getting a tad worked up about nothing Mike.
I hate that Macron fella,just as I hate the p**** 3 doors from us,does that make me xenophobic just because Macron is French.
No, but I'm talking about the language being used and you know perfectly well what I'm talking aboyt on this thread and elsewhere.
Honestly I do not see the difference between zenophobia and expressing dislike for Chelsea or QPR.
Racism, sexism etc have a different status legally and culturally because the context there is slavery and decades of institutional prejudice, inequality etc. They're groups that have been treated poorly by our society at times in the past.
No one persecuted the French. There are 70 million of them and they are doing fine. Most of them dislike us and call us "roast beef". So I see no problem with calling them frogs for a bit of a laugh, and enjoying getting one over on them in the World Cup. Oh and don't even get me started on the krauts...
I understand that but when using that language let's look at the context its used.
I don't see anyone who has sagged Christie off mention he is irish
The negatives... And there have been some... Towards MLM never seem to mention his nationality.
Do people slag mwason off by saying English CB Mawson?
It seems nationalities being used by some individuals seems to be mentioned only with particular players. Maybe this is on the wrong thread but it's how I'm seeing it.
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 04:23:14 PM
Quote from: Statto on December 14, 2018, 03:19:14 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 09:28:45 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 08:54:37 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 08:09:44 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 06:42:27 AM
The xenophobic language that has creeped onto this site in the last few weeks is making it much more uncomfortable place to visit and I believe unless it's dealt with will not be to the benefit of FOF.
I once went out with a girl who was xenophobic, she hated Cornish Pasties.
you can try and deflect my post away from the subject with some humour but I commented on because that's how I see it it here.
Think your getting a tad worked up about nothing Mike.
I hate that Macron fella,just as I hate the p**** 3 doors from us,does that make me xenophobic just because Macron is French.
No, but I'm talking about the language being used and you know perfectly well what I'm talking aboyt on this thread and elsewhere.
Honestly I do not see the difference between zenophobia and expressing dislike for Chelsea or QPR.
Racism, sexism etc have a different status legally and culturally because the context there is slavery and decades of institutional prejudice, inequality etc. They're groups that have been treated poorly by our society at times in the past.
No one persecuted the French. There are 70 million of them and they are doing fine. Most of them dislike us and call us "roast beef". So I see no problem with calling them frogs for a bit of a laugh, and enjoying getting one over on them in the World Cup. Oh and don't even get me started on the krauts...
I understand that but when using that language let's look at the context its used.
I don't see anyone who has sagged Christie off mention he is irish
The negatives... And there have been some... Towards MLM never seem to mention his nationality.
Do people slag mwason off by saying English CB Mawson?
It seems nationalities being used by some individuals seems to be mentioned only with particular players. Maybe this is on the wrong thread but it's how I'm seeing it.
Excellent post, and I think certain individuals need to think before posting, especially with regards to a player's nationality, is this really a good thing to mention?
Quote from: Statto on December 14, 2018, 03:19:14 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 09:28:45 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 08:54:37 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 08:09:44 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 06:42:27 AM
The xenophobic language that has creeped onto this site in the last few weeks is making it much more uncomfortable place to visit and I believe unless it's dealt with will not be to the benefit of FOF.
I once went out with a girl who was xenophobic, she hated Cornish Pasties.
you can try and deflect my post away from the subject with some humour but I commented on because that's how I see it it here.
Think your getting a tad worked up about nothing Mike.
I hate that Macron fella,just as I hate the p**** 3 doors from us,does that make me xenophobic just because Macron is French.
No, but I'm talking about the language being used and you know perfectly well what I'm talking aboyt on this thread and elsewhere.
Honestly I do not see the difference between zenophobia and expressing dislike for Chelsea or QPR.
Racism, sexism etc have a different status legally and culturally because the context there is slavery and decades of institutional prejudice, inequality etc. They're groups that have been treated poorly by our society at times in the past.
No one persecuted the French. There are 70 million of them and they are doing fine. Most of them dislike us and call us "roast beef". So I see no problem with calling them frogs for a bit of a laugh, and enjoying getting one over on them in the World Cup. Oh and don't even get me started on the krauts...
Sorry Statto but what evidence do you have that the idea that most French people dislike the British is true? As a matter of fact all the French people (albeit just a few) I know love living in England and have no problems, and I have stayed with people in France before and they were very hospitable. It's a very baseless assumption to rationalise xenophobia with, and with regards to it being 'a laugh', I reckon those Chelsea scum who abused Sterling the other day thought it was 'a laugh' at the time too. Call me a snowflake whatever I don't care, but either way I feel and so do the majority of others that xenophobic language is unacceptable, either in sport or society in general.
Nick has already said he made a mistake with the nationalities.. I'd like to know what you guys think about Seri's performances!
Quote from: Neutral Zone Ultra on December 14, 2018, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: Statto on December 14, 2018, 03:19:14 PM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 09:28:45 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 08:54:37 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 08:09:44 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 14, 2018, 06:57:10 AM
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 06:42:27 AM
The xenophobic language that has creeped onto this site in the last few weeks is making it much more uncomfortable place to visit and I believe unless it's dealt with will not be to the benefit of FOF.
I once went out with a girl who was xenophobic, she hated Cornish Pasties.
you can try and deflect my post away from the subject with some humour but I commented on because that's how I see it it here.
Think your getting a tad worked up about nothing Mike.
I hate that Macron fella,just as I hate the p**** 3 doors from us,does that make me xenophobic just because Macron is French.
No, but I'm talking about the language being used and you know perfectly well what I'm talking aboyt on this thread and elsewhere.
Honestly I do not see the difference between zenophobia and expressing dislike for Chelsea or QPR.
Racism, sexism etc have a different status legally and culturally because the context there is slavery and decades of institutional prejudice, inequality etc. They're groups that have been treated poorly by our society at times in the past.
No one persecuted the French. There are 70 million of them and they are doing fine. Most of them dislike us and call us "roast beef". So I see no problem with calling them frogs for a bit of a laugh, and enjoying getting one over on them in the World Cup. Oh and don't even get me started on the krauts...
Sorry Statto but what evidence do you have that the idea that most French people dislike the British is true? As a matter of fact all the French people (albeit just a few) I know love living in England and have no problems, and I have stayed with people in France before and they were very hospitable. It's a very baseless assumption to rationalise xenophobia with, and with regards to it being 'a laugh', I reckon those Chelsea scum who abused Sterling the other day thought it was 'a laugh' at the time too. Call me a snowflake whatever I don't care, but either way I feel and so do the majority of others that xenophobic language is unacceptable, either in sport or society in general.
Good post +1
I do not believe the Chelsea 'mob' (was about 4 fans) racially abused Sterling. He showed no reaction at the time and any such language would have brought a complaint to the referee immediately. Sterling is one of today's pampered overpaid players who constantly dives. One recalls a similar accusation made by another incorrigible cheat El Haj Diouf when trying to explain why he SPAT in the face of an over-friendly child claimed he was racially abused. Far too often is the race card played; they even tried to call Brexit racist!
Sterling changed his nationality to suit his wage pocket and his off the field antics have brought attention from the media. One would not however claim the British 'gutter' press racist. They are without many other scruples but that is not among them. Needless to say many supporters dislike or envy people like him, but he is making millions so should learn not to have such a thin skin and take verbal, non-racial attacks from the terraces on the chin and stop whingeing afterwards because his team lost.
Regarding the subject, Seri's place in Fulham is harming our survival and while MJG pontificates, Fulham stay bottom of the Premier League. MJG has had a history of standing up for people employed by this club performing badly while I simply want Fulham to start winning games and not to go down to face unfair Fair Play resistrictions which will bankrupt the club!
Quote from: Nick Bateman on December 14, 2018, 09:23:53 PM
I do not believe the Chelsea 'mob' (was about 4 fans) racially abused Sterling. He showed no reaction at the time and any such language would have brought a complaint to the referee immediately. Sterling is one of today's pampered overpaid players who constantly dives. One recalls a similar accusation made by another incorrigible cheat El Haj Diouf when trying to explain why he SPAT in the face of an over-friendly child claimed he was racially abused. Far too often is the race card played; they even tried to call Brexit racist!
Sterling changed his nationality to suit his wage pocket and his off the field antics have brought attention from the media. One would not however claim the British 'gutter' press racist. They are without many other scruples but that is not among them. Needless to say many supporters dislike or envy people like him, but he is making millions so should learn not to have such a thin skin and take verbal, non-racial attacks from the terraces on the chin and stop whingeing afterwards because his team lost.
Regarding the subject, Seri's place in Fulham is harming our survival and while MJG pontificates, Fulham stay bottom of the Premier League. MJG has had a history of standing up for people employed by this club performing badly while I simply want Fulham to start winning games and not to go down to face unfair Fair Play resistrictions which will bankrupt the club!
ill call its as I see it and simply you are a racist.
Quote from: MJG on December 14, 2018, 09:49:16 PM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on December 14, 2018, 09:23:53 PM
I do not believe the Chelsea 'mob' (was about 4 fans) racially abused Sterling. He showed no reaction at the time and any such language would have brought a complaint to the referee immediately. Sterling is one of today's pampered overpaid players who constantly dives. One recalls a similar accusation made by another incorrigible cheat El Haj Diouf when trying to explain why he SPAT in the face of an over-friendly child claimed he was racially abused. Far too often is the race card played; they even tried to call Brexit racist!
Sterling changed his nationality to suit his wage pocket and his off the field antics have brought attention from the media. One would not however claim the British 'gutter' press racist. They are without many other scruples but that is not among them. Needless to say many supporters dislike or envy people like him, but he is making millions so should learn not to have such a thin skin and take verbal, non-racial attacks from the terraces on the chin and stop whingeing afterwards because his team lost.
Regarding the subject, Seri's place in Fulham is harming our survival and while MJG pontificates, Fulham stay bottom of the Premier League. MJG has had a history of standing up for people employed by this club performing badly while I simply want Fulham to start winning games and not to go down to face unfair Fair Play resistrictions which will bankrupt the club!
ill call its as I see it and simply you are a racist.
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