After his terrible performance at right back up in Manchester, why did he persist in playing Odoi at right back again yesterday.
When Christie came on second half,the back line looked more settled?,or was it that the game was already lost.
Yep I'm with you. I'm sick to death of having to change our back line because the manager got his team selection wrong. Slav constantly did it and now raneri seems to do it every match
Initially up to the leciester Game I thought he'd found his best defensive line up only to blow it for a plan that's set us back to confusing the players.Madness to bring ream back in and odoi to RB for Christie.
Quote from: hovewhite on December 16, 2018, 07:12:43 AM
Initially up to the leciester Game I thought he'd found his best defensive line up only to blow it for a plan that's set us back to confusing the players.Madness to bring ream back in and odoi to RB for Christie.
agreed. First few games we had a settled back four, mlm got injured and it should have been a straight swap for Bryan and nothing else. Think it's clear he doesnt rate Christie that much, but that should have been a problem for the window, not must win games
Quote from: fulhamben on December 16, 2018, 07:32:21 AM
Quote from: hovewhite on December 16, 2018, 07:12:43 AM
Initially up to the leciester Game I thought he'd found his best defensive line up only to blow it for a plan that's set us back to confusing the players.Madness to bring ream back in and odoi to RB for Christie.
agreed. First few games we had a settled back four, mlm got injured and it should have been a straight swap for Bryan and nothing else. Think it's clear he doesnt rate Christie that much, but that should have been a problem for the window, not must win games
when he came in up to the leciester game I felt confident about surviving but think we will go down as the new arrivals have taken away more than they have offered.
Does anybody really believe that the side we came up with would have done any better in the PL. No point in looking back, let's worry about how to strengthen from where we are now.
Hmmm Which really goes to show, do these Coaches/Managers know very much more than the man or woman in the street. It makes you think doesn't it.
Despite the fact that they have the advantage of working with them in training all week. They still don't get it right, and they get paid a small fortune to fail, as do the players, are we being taken for a ride.
It's a simple game. complicated by coaches and pundits.
Putting out training cones is not that difficult, try it yourselves.
Quote from: Beamer on December 16, 2018, 08:40:21 AM
Does anybody really believe that the side we came up with would have done any better in the PL. No point in looking back, let's worry about how to strengthen from where we are now.
That's not the question though is it,after conceding 3 in first half last week,and 2 yesterday, he persisted in playing Odoi at rightback.
Ageed. Odoi is not up to the job at right back and Ream is not up to the ask of centreback.
Strange decision by Ranieri. He's going to need two wins from the next 3 to restore any credibility.
Good luck with that.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 16, 2018, 08:51:18 AM
Quote from: Beamer on December 16, 2018, 08:40:21 AM
Does anybody really believe that the side we came up with would have done any better in the PL. No point in looking back, let's worry about how to strengthen from where we are now.
That's not the question though is it,after conceding 3 in first half last week,and 2 yesterday, he persisted in playing Odoi at rightback.
I think the point is that whoever of the pair he chose was a matter of which of two players not up to the required level in the PL might be the least bad option. In fairness he didn't know we were going to concede 2 more when he picked him for a second time but I know what you mean.
A point I made before the United game. I thought the back line looked better. Not great but at least looked as if they knew each other after a few games. Then we swap Ream for Odoi and move him out and drop Christie who has been one of the better players although can't cross a ball. So we are back to looking like strangers again.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 16, 2018, 06:40:28 AM
After his terrible performance at right back up in Manchester, why did he persist in playing Odoi at right back again yesterday.
When Christie came on second half,the back line looked more settled?,or was it that the game was already lost.
Yes, Christie was much better but he also had fresh legs. I assume, the reason for playing Odoi RB is that Mawson should play RCB. When Christie came on Odoi played RCB and Mawson moved left with Ream subbed off. Guess Ranieri will head for a new LCB allowing Mawson to play RCB. Curious to see what will happen in the January window to our back four.
If Ranairi cannot galvanise Fulham we are sunk.
It really does boil down to who we sign in January, providing the owners son does not interfere, wasting his fathers money on the wrong players. But then again, which players would want to join a sinking ship.
Quote from: Beamer on December 16, 2018, 08:57:25 AM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 16, 2018, 08:51:18 AM
Quote from: Beamer on December 16, 2018, 08:40:21 AM
Does anybody really believe that the side we came up with would have done any better in the PL. No point in looking back, let's worry about how to strengthen from where we are now.
That's not the question though is it,after conceding 3 in first half last week,and 2 yesterday, he persisted in playing Odoi at rightback.
I think the point is that whoever of the pair he chose was a matter of which of two players not up to the required level in the PL might be the least bad option. In fairness he didn't know we were going to concede 2 more when he picked him for a second time but I know what you mean.
Christie couldn't get into the Middlesboro side or into ours in place of Fredericks last year and Fred can't get a game at West Ham (I know he is currently injured but he has barely played since the start of the season) so how did we think that he would do the job for us and not make that position signing one of our priorities.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 16, 2018, 08:49:51 AM
Hmmm Which really goes to show, do these Coaches/Managers know very much more than the man or woman in the street. It makes you think doesn't it.
Despite the fact that they have the advantage of working with them in training all week. They still don't get it right, and they get paid a small fortune to fail, as do the players, are we being taken for a ride.
It's a simple game. complicated by coaches and pundits.
Putting out training cones is not that difficult, try ict yourselves.
It's not an exact science is it, the manager selects a team that he thinks is right for the job, if that is not hard enough we have a couple hundred coaches/mangers on this board alone that would perhaps do something different, like with players coming in, you have no idea how it will work until it doesn't.
Then when a particular player makes a mistake (as we all do) he then becomes Satan's spawn.
Simple answer, yes!! Very poor team selection, writing on the wall as soon as the team was announced. Really fed up watching game after game when every time the opponents attack they look like scoring and more often than not do so. On the other hand our attack is sub standard, poor crossing, corners, play in the box and of course finishing! I do think our current squad would be good enough to be mid table in the Championship, but how many of them will be with us next season, worrying!
Quote from: davew on December 16, 2018, 09:20:26 AM
Simple answer, yes!! Very poor team selection, writing on the wall as soon as the team was announced. Really fed up watching game after game when every time the opponents attack they look like scoring and more often than not do so. On the other hand our attack is sub standard, poor crossing, corners, play in the box and of course finishing! I do think our current squad would be good enough to be mid table in the Championship, but how many of them will be with us next season, worrying!
I don't think there is a side in any level of football that takes worse corners than us,and it was the same last season,the amount of times it doesn't get into the box is unbelievable.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 16, 2018, 09:25:51 AM
Quote from: davew on December 16, 2018, 09:20:26 AM
Simple answer, yes!! Very poor team selection, writing on the wall as soon as the team was announced. Really fed up watching game after game when every time the opponents attack they look like scoring and more often than not do so. On the other hand our attack is sub standard, poor crossing, corners, play in the box and of course finishing! I do think our current squad would be good enough to be mid table in the Championship, but how many of them will be with us next season, worrying!
I don't think there is a side in any level of football that takes worse corners than us,and it was the same last season,the amount of times it doesn't get into the box is unbelievable.
Agreed, you rarely see a bad corner in any other televised match, we don't have 1 player that can take a decent corner, perhaps Rico should have a go?
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on December 16, 2018, 09:25:51 AM
Quote from: davew on December 16, 2018, 09:20:26 AM
Simple answer, yes!! Very poor team selection, writing on the wall as soon as the team was announced. Really fed up watching game after game when every time the opponents attack they look like scoring and more often than not do so. On the other hand our attack is sub standard, poor crossing, corners, play in the box and of course finishing! I do think our current squad would be good enough to be mid table in the Championship, but how many of them will be with us next season, worrying!
I don't think there is a side in any level of football that takes worse corners than us,and it was the same last season,the amount of times it doesn't get into the box is unbelievable.
Indeed the ball never gets passed the first defender. If we cannot get the basics right, then we are up the creek without a paddle.
I have seen many Sunday morning footballers with better technique.
Before Ranairi replaced Jok, we were a ship without a rudder, I would imagine he has made the dressing room a happier place with his charm and experience, but we appear to be a ship without a crew.
Having said all that, apart from our defending and finishing yesterday, in between we had the vast amount of possession, which I admit means Jack poo, and had some decent spells, even though milky players like Schurrie who thinks he is doing us all a favour was carried during the time he loafed around the pitch.
The difference was that West Ham has the quality in attack and in defence that we lacked, and that is down to the substandard recruitment in the summer, and their lack of foresight, vision, experience and qualifying knowledge in how to build the foundations to be a Premier Division outfit.
The recruitment in the January Window and Ranairis ability to galvanise a squad of players lacking confidence and desire and passion and belief in themselves and each other, is all we have left.
Agree with others. Niether Odoi nor Christie are PL standard but neither is Ream, and Christie is a better RB than Odoi. We looked far better with the MLM-Odoi-Mawson-Christie back 4 in previous games, and more solid when Odoi moved back to CB against West Ham. I have no idea why Ranieri wanted to change it, but having had to change it back mid-match, surely now he has learned his lesson.
Quote from: Statto on December 16, 2018, 10:59:21 AM
Agree with others. Niether Odoi nor Christie are PL standard but neither is Ream, and Christie is a better RB than Odoi. We looked far better with the MLM-Odoi-Mawson-Christie back 4 in previous games, and more solid when Odoi moved back to CB against West Ham. I have no idea why Ranieri wanted to change it, but having had to change it back mid-match, surely now he has learned his lesson.
him not seeing v man u that we need Christie,well we can all see it why can't coaches as this decision has cost us pionts it can only be Claudio that's responsible and certainly hope he leaves him in the CB position as he's played there now for 2 seasons and before anyone on here has a dig at me I know he's not perfect.
When I saw the starting line up I posted that the defence would never keep a clean sheet. It was a poor choice by the manager. I would go with Christie and Bryan as FBs and Odoi with Mawson as CBs. Not great I know but the best we have. In the window we clearly need to strengthen.
I would also move TC back to central midfield in front of Chambers with Sess and Ayite or Kebano out wide. Mitro plus one further forward. I think Sess and Ayite offer more cover for the FBs than AK, Schurrle or Vietto. Seri wouldn't be a starter in that line up which may be a tad harsh or not, but too bad.
Quote from: Twig on December 16, 2018, 12:04:36 PM
When I saw the starting line up I posted that the defence would never keep a clean sheet. It was a poor choice by the manager. I would go with Christie and Bryan as FBs and Odoi with Mawson as CBs. Not great I know but the best we have. In the window we clearly need to strengthen.
I would also move TC back to central midfield in front of Chambers with Sess and Ayite or Kebano out wide. Mitro plus one further forward. I think Sess and Ayite offer more cover for the FBs than AK, Schurrle or Vietto. Seri wouldn't be a starter in that line up which may be a tad harsh or not, but too bad.
Your suggestions make a lot of sense.
l watch quite a bit of Prem football on the tv - mostly dispassionately - but when I put my Fulham tinted specs on I am always amazed how we never seem to play with the passion or pace of other teams and never seem to have a leader with sleeves rolled up, urging the team on? Am I alone?
Quote from: MikeW on December 16, 2018, 12:10:50 PM
l watch quite a bit of Prem football on the tv - mostly dispassionately - but when I put my Fulham tinted specs on I am always amazed how we never seem to play with the passion or pace of other teams and never seem to have a leader with sleeves rolled up, urging the team on? Am I alone?
No I can reassure you, you are not alone, there's a Stadium full of supporters who have often asked themselves the same question.
But why do we lack these vital ingredients to enable us to compete on a level playing field with each opponent, why are we lacking these basics.
You are certainly not alone MikeW.,The only player that ever comes close is KMac and sadly he looks to be found wanting in the pace department
We are in disarray, Ranieri still searching for his best line up in the back four and in midfield and now goals from Mitrovic and Kamara seem to have dried up.
Time we admitted we didn't spend the £100m transfer money on the best quality players.
Quote from: filham on December 16, 2018, 01:13:27 PM
We are in disarray, Ranieri still searching for his best line up in the back four and in midfield and now goals from Mitrovic and Kamara seem to have dried up.
Time we admitted we didn't spend the £100m transfer money on the best quality players.
kamara has gone one game without a goal