A Player who is offsides makes an effort to touch the ball. But doesn't. He is not interfering with play? Don't understand why they have ruined this wonderful game of ours.
England is just trying to catch up to all the other over-officious leagues in the world. :red:
why did the ref go to his assistant?have they not them headphones on?i think it sounds a bit dodgy :046:
Tell him how much 'Arry would be slipping in his boot, not to be broadcast over the airways
Quote from: epsomraver on October 16, 2010, 04:56:16 PM
Tell him how much 'Arry would be slipping in his boot, not to be broadcast over the airways
Hahaha quality, how was he not interering with play, he's blocking Swartzers view.
Good initial call. Poor reversal.
The poor equaliser so soon after our goal was silly. We are still finding our forwards so no panic yet. But I don't understand why a player, if he is off side and goes for the ball is not active while in front of the keeper. Linesman thought so. On the BBC they were debating it. With different conclusions.
Murphy and Dembele both injured. How badly?
Now we are going to need a win soon.
Not a great result but lets not have a go at Kamara or Greening who both did ok and Kamara needs time.
Do you remember when we watched football that didn't have a controversial moment in it? No nor me.
Or, how about refs being magically able to give goals and take them away?
I'm being serious and not sour grapes: today was one of the existential games where you wonder "what is the point?"
I just don't know what to say, the linesman should have stood his ground not bottled out when asked, Riley what a joke, these officials should be made to come out and explain their decision, i am sure he has told the players and manager, but the paying public have no idea. Officials should not make these controversial decisions and then not explain why.
Riley and his lino :red:
That wasn't a debate on BBC Garth Crooks is so up Spurs a*** it's untrue, Mark Bright said it as it was he must be offside he was attempting to get to the ball in front of Schwazer. Not sour grapes on my part but the assistant gives offside and thats he's job, but the ref over rules him. Dean really has such a history of making the biggest mistakes.
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 16, 2010, 05:04:37 PM
The poor equaliser so soon after our goal was silly. We are still finding our forwards so no panic yet. But I don't understand why a player, if he is off side and goes for the ball is not active while in front of the keeper. Linesman thought so. On the BBC they were debating it. With different conclusions.
Murphy and Dembele both injured. How badly?
Now we are going to need a win soon.
Not a great result but lets not have a go at Kamara or Greening who both did ok and Kamara needs time.
Do you remember when we watched football that didn't have a controversial moment in it? No nor me.
Every cloud has a silver lining, i done the Koshers to win 2-1 in the prediction league.
I can not understand that a ref standig outside the box looking through lots of player can overrule a decision made by a linesman on the line looking and marking for offside. Thats just beyond me and everything i've ever seen.
Le Tiss says the Lino overuled the Ref, Apparantly the Ref dissasllowed it, Spurs players asked him to speak to the lino who then said Gallas didn't touch it, so he gave it :49: :014: .
The bottom line?
Notwithstanding that Gallas was interfering with play as the ball came through the bulk of the players, the ball ricocheted off Baird immediately after it was kicked.
The question is: Was Gallas offside when the ball was kicked?
I wonder whether the linesman actually told the ref that the ball came off of Baird, and that's why he reversed his decision.
It was quite clearly offside. The linesman even flagged for offside and the ref over ruled him. Regardless if Gallas touched the ball, he was standing directly in front of Schwarzer. The decision was a joke. Even my friend (a Dark Side fan) said it was a joke when he watched it on tv.
Every week referees are costing us points. Its a joke
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on October 16, 2010, 05:41:26 PM
Le Tiss says the Lino overuled the Ref, Apparantly the Ref dissasllowed it, Spurs players asked him to speak to the lino who then said Gallas didn't touch it, so he gave it :49: :014: .
Bit confused with this as it looked to me that the ref gave the goal and it was the fulham players who pointed to the linesmans flag, although i could be wrong
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on October 16, 2010, 05:41:26 PM
Le Tiss says the Lino overuled the Ref, Apparantly the Ref dissasllowed it, Spurs players asked him to speak to the lino who then said Gallas didn't touch it, so he gave it :49: :014: .
No, lino had his flag up for offside straight away! Definitely the other way around. That's twice Spurs have done us like that. Same thing happened in the FA Cup last season! I really don't understand the offside rule any more!
the commentator for the world-wide feed said at least a dozen times: "The ref overturned his decision after he talked with Huddlestone." How can a player tell an official to change his call?
Why is it that this season I end up hating referees every weekend?
I've given up now. You ref lot all deserve a big fat :red: :red: :red: :red: :red: :red: :red:
Thank you and good night. :046:
I was at the game and still don't know what the hell happened,you end up leaving the ground thinking "what's the point?"
Absolute joke. Been robbed, Spurs players bullied ref into giving it. :red:
We all know that if Fulham had got this "goal", it would have stayed disallowed! :014:
Quote from: Aldo on October 16, 2010, 06:49:59 PM
Quote from: FatFreddysCat on October 16, 2010, 05:41:26 PM
Le Tiss says the Lino overuled the Ref, Apparantly the Ref dissasllowed it, Spurs players asked him to speak to the lino who then said Gallas didn't touch it, so he gave it :49: :014: .
No, lino had his flag up for offside straight away! Definitely the other way around. That's twice Spurs have done us like that. Same thing happened in the FA Cup last season! I really don't understand the offside rule any more!
I don't think anyone
does understand the offside law, least of all the controlling body who have cobbled together an ambiguous law that defies anyone to make sense of...in order to keep the game flowing and mainly to produce plenty of goals - deserved or not - so that the Sky Television paymasters have plenty of "goalbites" to show on the box.
....much the same as T20 in cricket is an abomination to purists, but a godsend to those who want the television audiences who used to watch "Gladiators"
...All together now; "Another one bites the dust..."
Rant over. I'm off up the pub.
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 16, 2010, 05:04:37 PM
The poor equaliser so soon after our goal was silly. We are still finding our forwards so no panic yet. But I don't understand why a player, if he is off side and goes for the ball is not active while in front of the keeper. Linesman thought so. On the BBC they were debating it. With different conclusions.
Murphy and Dembele both injured. How badly?
Now we are going to need a win soon.
Not a great result but lets not have a go at Kamara or Greening who both did ok and Kamara needs time.
Do you remember when we watched football that didn't have a controversial moment in it? No nor me.
Both Dembele and Murphy did'nt look very comfortable as they came off at half time. Dembele was limping and flexed his ankle a couple of times indicating it was possibly stiffening up and Murph had both hands thrust firmly down the front of his shorts. One would like to think he had an upper thigh muscle twinge or a tight groin ............... he could of course have just been fiddling with himself !!!!! It was no suprise when they came off. Interesting to see Sparkie go for it with the hapless EJ on for Greening. Alas EJ and Kamara as a front pairing effectively made us a nine man team.
Have to say P3 is usually a decent place to be whatever the mix. We've sat with Germans, Italians, Scousers and even people from Hull. Its all been easy going friendly stuff. Not today. What a bunch of no nothing, arrogant and indeed ignorant bunch these particulars spuds were.
Quote from: ScalleysDad on October 17, 2010, 12:33:26 AM
Quote from: Lighthouse on October 16, 2010, 05:04:37 PM
The poor equaliser so soon after our goal was silly. We are still finding our forwards so no panic yet. But I don't understand why a player, if he is off side and goes for the ball is not active while in front of the keeper. Linesman thought so. On the BBC they were debating it. With different conclusions.
Murphy and Dembele both injured. How badly?
Now we are going to need a win soon.
Not a great result but lets not have a go at Kamara or Greening who both did ok and Kamara needs time.
Do you remember when we watched football that didn't have a controversial moment in it? No nor me.
Both Dembele and Murphy did'nt look very comfortable as they came off at half time. Dembele was limping and flexed his ankle a couple of times indicating it was possibly stiffening up and Murph had both hands thrust firmly down the front of his shorts. One would like to think he had an upper thigh muscle twinge or a tight groin ............... he could of course have just been fiddling with himself !!!!! It was no suprise when they came off. Interesting to see Sparkie go for it with the hapless EJ on for Greening. Alas EJ and Kamara as a front pairing effectively made us a nine man team.
Have to say P3 is usually a decent place to be whatever the mix. We've sat with Germans, Italians, Scousers and even people from Hull. Its all been easy going friendly stuff. Not today. What a bunch of no nothing, arrogant and indeed ignorant bunch these particulars spuds were.
One of the reasons why they are hated by every other team in London , mate. Muggy fans.
Lets just do away with offsides. I don't know when or who is offside anymore. A player can stand infront of the keeper and not be offside for 90 minutes. He would be considered not active. Is that the rule. I suppose obstructing the keeper like at Blackburn is also no longer a foul either so it would be hard for the keeper tp claim that now.
I have said for years that the off side is no longer making any sense. So lets do away with it. Nobody knows, the officials no longer know as they have to have a debate about it. So lets get rid.
As I said, look what they have done to our game.
I'm with Mr. Lighthouse. Bill Shankly's offside law for me. "if you are not interfering with play, what are you doing on the pitch"
They are now saying that, as it came off Baird he played Gallas on side but that still doesn't explain the fact he was offside when the ball was kicked.
Quote from: epsomraver on October 17, 2010, 01:19:55 PM
They are now saying that, as it came off Baird he played Gallas on side but that still doesn't explain the fact he was offside when the ball was kicked.
the only thing in question was whether Gallas touched the ball, Gallas was already in an offside position so the ball touching Baird is irrelevant.
I believe the law implies that a player can stand in an offside position as long as he makes no attempt to get the ball, and this was quite clearly obvious that Gallas definitely made an attempt to get the ball thereby distracting the keeper, we see this week after week where the linesman does not raise his flag until a player in offside position goes for the ball.
Now if the ref disallowed the goal and linesman flagged for offside, what an earth did they have to talk about and what was it that changed their mind? i can only assume that the linesman could not confirm that Gallas touched/or did not touch the ball, so the benefit of any doubt was given to Huddlestone.
I think Mr Dean (for some reason yesterday i was calling him Riley) and his linesman need to have a good read of the rules on offside.
Quote from: epsomraver on October 17, 2010, 01:19:55 PM
They are now saying that, as it came off Baird he played Gallas on side but that still doesn't explain the fact he was offside when the ball was kicked.
See my comment earlier. It DID come off Baird, and I brought the point up as to WHEN is a player considered offside?
If it is when the ball is kicked, then you have to decide whether the player is 'interfering with play' whatever that means. Gallas could not have been interfering with play if he was passive and doing nothing at all (he wasn't in the sight-line between Mark and the place the ball was kicked from), and so did he start interfering when he moved towards the ball? If so, it had hit Baird by then and so he wasn't, at that moment, offside.
The offside rule requires some cleaning up and clarification by FIFA and the refs and linesmen need to be held to account for poor calls and decisions.
Quote from: jarv on October 17, 2010, 01:15:59 PM
I'm with Mr. Lighthouse. Bill Shankly's offside law for me. "if you are not interfering with play, what are you doing on the pitch"
I LOVE that - hadn't heard it before - thanks!
