Out of all those players involved today , how many of them are either not good enough to play in The Premier League or just need replacing ?
These are on my list,
Tom Cairney,
Tim Ream,
Cyrus Christie,
Joe Bryan,
A Kamara,
A Schurrle,
K McDonald,
I've cut Odoi some slack as he's probably the best of a very bad bunch,
The problem we face is that we have 7 players clearly not good enough to be playing in The Premier League, contrast that with Cardiff and Huddersfield who are both looking for just a striker or two and not much else whereas our problems are all over the pitch,
Last season after the January window closed our starting eleven virtually picked itself all bar one position, wide right, and yet we did nothing to address it, the same with right back, Fredericks told the club in January that he was leaving, so that gave our scouting team 8 months to find a replacement, but yet again they failed miserably,
Before we play Burnley we MUST have a new right back and a wide right forward player with pace,
Our saving grace is still the fact that season 2018/2019 is going to be remembered as the weakest that it has ever been as far as the bottom 4 is concerned, the fact that we are second from bottom in a season that is so poor kinda sums it all up really,
Last January the transfer window got us promoted, this coming January the window has to keep us up, without it we are down.
Cairney, Schurrle, Mcdonald, Vietto, Ream for me.Replaced by CF, RW, RWB, CB, LW/RW. Don't need more bodies, just different team make up.
I liked how we looked today. I thought we'd be lucky to draw, instead it looked like they were lucky to draw
Quote from: Porthogs FC on December 26, 2018, 08:48:43 PM
Cairney, Schurrle, Mcdonald, Vietto, Ream for me.Replaced by CF, RW, RWB, CB, LW/RW. Don't need more bodies, just different team make up.
I liked how we looked today. I thought we'd be lucky to draw, instead it looked like they were lucky to draw
Of course TFM can go back as well.
From the first team?
Probably agree with your list. Perhaps a bit harsh on AK.
Wouldn't sell any of them as all can do a job off bench and we need one eye on the Championship next season.
If books needed to be balanced then sell Cairney for £10m? Would also allow Mitro to be permanent captain and give him incentive to stay at the club.
Only 4 of those started today, and 1 of those 4 (Bryan) can be replaced by Sessegnon.
I'm also fine with either Kamara or Schurrle starting (although not both).
So for me how many need replacing - 3. Ream, Christie and either Kamara or Schurrle.
Players like McDonald and Cairney are fine coming off the bench and better than most (if not all) of Cardiff's and Huddersfield's players.
Rico!?
Schurrle, Christie, Ream, Mcdonald, there are a couple more maybe, but I will give them the benefit of the doubt for the moment.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 26, 2018, 09:11:04 PM
Schurrle, Christie, Ream, Mcdonald, there are a couple more maybe, but I will give them the benefit of the doubt for the moment.
Agree, I was patient with Schürrle, and actually I think his passing was pretty good today but for a winger he just doesn't have the pace unfortunately. Which is strange, I always remembered him as rapid when he played for Germany and the scum.
Quote from: Statto on December 26, 2018, 09:06:02 PM
Only 4 of those started today, and 1 of those 4 (Bryan) can be replaced by Sessegnon.
Which Sessegnon are you referring to? People need to stop trying to increase Ryan's defensive duties. He's an attacker.
Fricken buy an actual premiere league left back, or continue to play Joe there.
I agree that Joe isn't a starting premiere league left back though. Not fast enough or strong enough. Offers nothing on set pieces.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on December 26, 2018, 09:43:26 PM
Quote from: Statto on December 26, 2018, 09:06:02 PM
Only 4 of those started today, and 1 of those 4 (Bryan) can be replaced by Sessegnon.
Which Sessegnon are you referring to? People need to stop trying to increase Ryan's defensive duties. He's an attacker.
Fricken buy an actual premiere league left back, or continue to play Joe there.
I agree that Joe isn't a starting premiere league left back though. Not fast enough or strong enough. Offers nothing on set pieces.
Ryan. He has spent the last couple of years alternating between LB and LW without being a perfect fit for either. If we are now going to start playing with a RWB, which Bryan was today, then I would say that role is tailor-made for Sess.
Christie has been marvelous, come off it.
Quote from: Riversider on December 26, 2018, 08:39:00 PM
Out of all those players involved today , how many of them are either not good enough to play in The Premier League or just need replacing ?
These are on my list,
Tom Cairney,
Tim Ream,
Cyrus Christie,
Joe Bryan,
A Kamara,
A Schurrle,
K McDonald,
I think you are being too restrictive, I would have added Anguissa, Ayite and Kebano, but would keep AK if only for his attitude, also Seri is now off my leave list and 1/2 way up my remain list, we will probably see the best of him when it is too late though! Too many players need replacing so we might as well stick with what we have, we have seen the effect of too many players being brought in at the last window, so what is the point of a lot more changes considering our position and 1/2 the season gone? The writing is not yet on the wall but the pens are out ready! The last thing we need is more disruption, what we need to do is to start to build a team for next season which will take us back up to the PL if we get relegated. I don't see any instant fixes through the transfer window to keep us in the PL even if our owner spends another 200m.
Quote from: davew on December 26, 2018, 10:26:13 PM
Quote from: Riversider on December 26, 2018, 08:39:00 PM
Out of all those players involved today , how many of them are either not good enough to play in The Premier League or just need replacing ?
These are on my list,
Tom Cairney,
Tim Ream,
Cyrus Christie,
Joe Bryan,
A Kamara,
A Schurrle,
K McDonald,
I think you are being too restrictive, I would have added Anguissa, Ayite and Kebano, but would keep AK if only for his attitude, also Seri is now off my leave list and 1/2 way up my remain list, we will probably see the best of him when it is too late though! Too many players need replacing so we might as well stick with what we have, we have seen the effect of too many players being brought in at the last window, so what is the point of a lot more changes considering our position and 1/2 the season gone? The writing is not yet on the wall but the pens are out ready! The last thing we need is more disruption, what we need to do is to start to build a team for next season which will take us back up to the PL if we get relegated. I don't see any instant fixes through the transfer window to keep us in the PL even if our owner spends another 200m.
Anguissa definitely not good enough on showings so far...
Kebano... would agree but hasn't had a sniff yet really.
Ayite... I think you're being a bit harsh! I think he does a job when he comes on and makes us look a lot more balanced. Would've been the better sub today instead of Cairney as others have pointed out. Suits Ranieri's team more than Joka.
Ok Milo, keep Ayite but he is not starting 11 or PL material! Ideally I want us to have 18 players who are good enough to play in the PL and we are way short of that total, Cardiff, Burnley and Huddersfield have the same problem as us (with worse squads), so maybe there is hope for us?
Quote from: davew on December 26, 2018, 10:32:47 PM
Ok Milo, keep Ayite but he is not starting 11 or PL material! Ideally I want us to have 18 players who are good enough to play in the PL and we are way short of that total, Cardiff, Burnley and Huddersfield have the same problem as us (with worse squads), so maybe there is hope for us?
There is always hope, in the absence of recruiting Stone Cold Steve Austin from Skull Island, we have to find another way. CR, is trying to piece the jigsaw together one by one with who he has at his disposal. But even he is prone to errors of judgement as was shown in 2 of his bizarre substitutions today.
Nevertheless, I hope he has a cunning plan regarding the players he has identified he needs, if we are to dig ourselves out of this hole, with minimal interference from any amateurs including TK.
Schurrle and Christie have to go, dreadful, Bryan is not PL quality. Seri is slowly improving but not PL quality either. Zambo hasn't impressed but while I don't want to see him again I would need to see him a bit more before deciding.
Quote from: Dodger53 on December 27, 2018, 08:33:20 AM
Schurrle and Christie have to go, dreadful, Bryan is not PL quality. Seri is slowly improving but not PL quality either. Zambo hasn't impressed but while I don't want to see him again I would need to see him a bit more before deciding.
I think Zambo has had enough games to show what he can do, or more accurately what he cannot do! There are not enough games left to experiment with any players hoping they can make the grade, he needs to be replaced as do a few others and preferably in the first week of January, but you know how Fulham operate, new signings arriving on the last day of the window which is not helpful.
From the original list Ream, Christie, Bryan and Kamara have shown me enough to warrant squad places. Schurrle and Cairney seem difficult to assimilate into the kind of formations Ranieri is looking at, both lacking defensive, ball winning prowess as midfield. Both are good enough for the PL, IMO, but in what manner of team and style? It just keeps me returning to the summer and thinking just what the hell were a recruiters thinking about. I conclude that most of the time they were just incapable of thought.
Quote from: toshes mate on December 27, 2018, 09:29:46 AM
From the original list Ream, Christie, Bryan and Kamara have shown me enough to warrant squad places. Schurrle and Cairney seem difficult to assimilate into the kind of formations Ranieri is looking at, both lacking defensive, ball winning prowess as midfield. Both are good enough for the PL, IMO, but in what manner of team and style? It just keeps me returning to the summer and thinking just what the hell were recruiters thinking about. I conclude that most of the time they were just incapable of thought.
Odoi is nowhere near good enough.
We'll remain in the relegation places as long as he remains in the first XI
Odoi?
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It seems between us we want to replace almost everyone.
Quote from: simplyfulham on December 27, 2018, 09:45:01 AM
Odoi is nowhere near good enough.
We'll remain in the relegation places as long as he remains in the first XI
Yes I have my doubts about Odoi despite the fact he more or less plays out of his skin most matches, and all credit to him there. He always seems to have a disastrous mistake in him somewhere.
But if we are serious about staying in the Premier League, we need an upgrade on him now in the January Window.
At least his heart is in it, which is more than I can say for others, but he is not the only one, there are others whose heart isn't even in it, so we need at least 4 upgrades if we are to gain an edge on our relegation rivals.
Quote from: Dodger53 on December 27, 2018, 10:02:06 AM
It seems between us we want to replace almost everyone.
Except for the bloke who works the 4th Turnstile to the right.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on December 27, 2018, 10:13:28 AM
Quote from: simplyfulham on December 27, 2018, 09:45:01 AM
Odoi is nowhere near good enough.
We'll remain in the relegation places as long as he remains in the first XI
he more or less plays out of his skin most matches, and all credit to him there.
I would absolutely agree with you. His problems don't extend from a lack of effort or interest. He comes across as a superb bloke - similar to Ream. It's perfectly understandable why some warm to him so much.
But I think it's just too late for him to relearn his defensive deiscion making that has been so missing.
So we would like to change most of them but we all know we will only get one or two new players in so Odoi is probably staying just because he works and he cares. He does do some amazing things just not all good.
Quote from: maoconnor on December 26, 2018, 10:20:54 PM
Christie has been marvelous, come off it.
You're 'aving a laugh!!
It's not April 1st is it?
What one thing does Christie do well, he cannot defend at all, goes to ground instead of defending, to be fair he can do a sly grab around the shoulders or waist, he cannot stretch his legs and take a player on the wing, he can cut inside and lose the ball. Was he the only player with gloves on yesterday, so much easier to see those body grabs of his. He ambles around with all the time in the world to get into the right position but needs a breather when he gets there. Not athletic or a footballer so has to go and the sooner the better.
Odoi is a player to watch and understand. His height and weight do not make him physically imposing and so he has to adapt his game mentally as each problem arrives, and he does it incredibly well whenever he plays. For sure he makes mistakes but that happens, to my mind, when he has allowed himself to relax and presume 'what happens next' after pressure has been reduced. The more he is pressured the better he seems to like it and do what he has to. For sure we can buy better PL quality in a central defender or full back but I doubt we could find someone with a better heart, adaptability and utility for FFC. Certainly been worth his weight in gold this season and last.
I would say that first and foremost Christie needs to be replaced. He can maybe be a squad player but not more. Dodgy defending, offers some pace but virtually nothing else offensively.
Secondly, another CB would be good, preferably to replace Ream who looks out of his depth. Ream and/or MLM good squad options.
Thirdly, I agree that Sess could probably replace Bryan. Think Joe is lacking in both directions similar to Christie. Decent PL squad option, nothing more on showings so far.
Add a decent experienced midfielder (think a PL equivalent to last year's Norwood) to replace McDonald and/or Johansen on the bench and we should be good enough to stay up.
So, a starting RB/RWB, a starting CB and an experienced backup midfielder. Should be enough.
On top of that, would only go for obvious upgrades like if a top player would somehow be willing to join Fulham at this stage. Unlikely to find players obviously above the level of our current ones unfortunately.
AK must stay.
He has his faults but is learning and along with Mitro, they are our only players that the opposition seem to be wary of.
He and Christie are the only ones with any real pace.
Replace First XI Odoi (with RCB), Christie (with RB) and Kamara (with RW) so they start on the bench.
Add Second XI Premiership (ie Championship) players at defensive centre midfield, left back and centre forward.
Return or Loan out TFM, Cisse, Jonasen and Kebano. Loan Fabri and get a homegrown keeper to be the 3rd GK. Note, one of the six outfield players purchased needs to be homgrown or we also must loan out McDonald.
