i thought the team was brilliant today. Every outfield player gave it 100% . We defended well, hassled well and, in the first half, looked very threatening on the break. For the most part Spurs didn't get a cross in, or a shot on goal. They managed a couple of crosses in the first half, one of which was headed straight at Rico, who batted it back into the six yard box in front of goal, luckily MLM had his wits about him and cleared.
Their first goal. Ok Ream misses it, fine. The ball is then gently lobbed into the box, not whipped in quickly, not fired in from the byline, gently curled towards the six yard box. Rico has all day to see it and if that had been at the other end, Lloris would have taken that ball and anyone else, defender or attacker, who got in the way.
A cross came in later in the half which Rico misjudged and palmed back into the danger area in front of goal, another lucky escape.
Second goal. Another header, from 4 yards out, by a player who is about 5 foot nothing. Rico is 6 ft 4 and he again stood on his line.
Any decent keeeper would have taken that cross, all day long.
Never mind the fact that he had possession of the ball, with 1 min to go. Just fall down, lie on the ball, then prat around for 30 seconds, then launch the ball into their left back position. Don't give them possession to launch a final attack.
Sorry he's not good enough.
The defence were magnificent today, they restricted Tottenham to a couple of speculative crosses, from outside the box, which any half decent keeper would have dealt with.
Betts would be betterthan Rico, but we should probably blow whatever money we have on a top class keeper
Can't agree Betz is better than Rico but I do wonder about the other keeper we are about to let go !
Betts better than Rico? I'll have whatever you're smoking. Both goals are defensive errors, the first one is a Ream special with odoi ducking under a cross and the second is just a joke, nobody doing their job properly. He had every right to launch the ball at the end, there was not one player in the Spurs half, a point wasn't good enough and we needed three. Perhaps look at Ryan Sessegnon who literally stood 5 yards from the Spurs player who eventually played the hall forward and didn't make a move to try and close him down, when he should be busting a gut after coming on as a substitute
Neither of our three keepers are EPL quality. With that said, IMHO Rico is still slightly better than other two.
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 20, 2019, 07:06:15 PM
Betts better than Rico? I'll have whatever you're smoking. Both goals are defensive errors, the first one is a Ream special with odoi ducking under a cross and the second is just a joke, nobody doing their job properly. He had every right to launch the ball at the end, there was not one player in the Spurs half, a point wasn't good enough and we needed three. Perhaps look at Ryan Sessegnon who literally stood 5 yards from the Spurs player who eventually played the hall forward and didn't make a move to try and close him down, when he should be busting a gut after coming on as a substitute
Rico has good positional sense, and he gets in the way of shots from distance. He's not bad at distribution. But he doesn't come for crosses, even when the ball is in the 6 yard box. He has to command that space, every keeper will tell you that. Odoi probably thought that was a keepers ball all day long, so rather than risking a deflection, let him deal with it.
Fact is that Rico doesn't leave his line, because when he does he usually flaps about and misses it. So the cowards way out, stay put and hope for the best.
Not good enough and he is going to get us relegated.
The defence were brilliant today and if they can keep the ball away from our goal we have a chance.
But Rico is a liability. Certainly the worst keeper in the Prem at the moment.
Rico was poor today... Betts is no better but will be our no.1 next season when Rico will be gone. On that basis maybe some merit in recalling him. Whoever the keeper is we're going down regardless.
Quote from: andyk on January 20, 2019, 07:11:12 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 20, 2019, 07:06:15 PM
Betts better than Rico? I'll have whatever you're smoking. Both goals are defensive errors, the first one is a Ream special with odoi ducking under a cross and the second is just a joke, nobody doing their job properly. He had every right to launch the ball at the end, there was not one player in the Spurs half, a point wasn't good enough and we needed three. Perhaps look at Ryan Sessegnon who literally stood 5 yards from the Spurs player who eventually played the hall forward and didn't make a move to try and close him down, when he should be busting a gut after coming on as a substitute
Rico has good positional sense, and he gets in the way of shots from distance. He's not bad at distribution. But he doesn't come for crosses, even when the ball is in the 6 yard box. He has to command that space, every keeper will tell you that. Odoi probably thought that was a keepers ball all day long, so rather than risking a deflection, let him deal with it.
Fact is that Rico doesn't leave his line, because when he does he usually flaps about and misses it. So the cowards way out, stay put and hope for the best.
Not good enough and he is going to get us relegated.
The defence were brilliant today and if they can keep the ball away from our goal we have a chance.
But Rico is a liability. Certainly the worst keeper in the Prem at the moment.
Did you watch the game? Defence were not brilliant in the slightest because if they were then Ream wouldn't make the mistake he does for the first goal, and what are you on about with Ofoi thinking it's the keepers ball? If don't get a shout then you get rid of it, I can't believe you're actually defending individual mistakes and claiming Rico is the worst keeper in the PL. Go and have a watch of the Liverpool game yesterday because those highlights will instantly show you that Speroni is miles worse than Rico. You could make some half decent points but your OTT defence of Ream and Odoi (who shaft us week in week out) to say Rico is the worst keeper in the PL is laughable
Just got back today - so not seen replays of goals - but from where I was Rico had to come for that ball in the last minute. Chambers was immense today a real captain I would say, he kept telling Rico to take his time Mitrovic is never going to outrun a d fender from a high ball. Truth is we didn't need two new foreign goalkeepers who were going to take some time to adapt to the Premier League even if they were excellent. Even DeGea best in the world took a long time to adapt. Button and Betts were more than adequate and it was only worth bringing in a really top class goalie proven in English football.
Just got back today - so not seen replays of goals - but from where I was Rico had to come for that ball in the last minute. Chambers was immense today a real captain I would say, he kept telling Rico to take his time Mitrovic is never going to outrun a d fender from a high ball. Truth is we didn't need two new foreign goalkeepers who were going to take some time to adapt to the Premier League even if they were excellent. Even DeGea best in the world took a long time to adapt. Button and Betts were more than adequate and it was only worth bringing in a really top class goalie proven in English football.
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 20, 2019, 07:21:41 PM
Quote from: andyk on January 20, 2019, 07:11:12 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 20, 2019, 07:06:15 PM
Betts better than Rico? I'll have whatever you're smoking. Both goals are defensive errors, the first one is a Ream special with odoi ducking under a cross and the second is just a joke, nobody doing their job properly. He had every right to launch the ball at the end, there was not one player in the Spurs half, a point wasn't good enough and we needed three. Perhaps look at Ryan Sessegnon who literally stood 5 yards from the Spurs player who eventually played the hall forward and didn't make a move to try and close him down, when he should be busting a gut after coming on as a substitute
Rico has good positional sense, and he gets in the way of shots from distance. He's not bad at distribution. But he doesn't come for crosses, even when the ball is in the 6 yard box. He has to command that space, every keeper will tell you that. Odoi probably thought that was a keepers ball all day long, so rather than risking a deflection, let him deal with it.
Fact is that Rico doesn't leave his line, because when he does he usually flaps about and misses it. So the cowards way out, stay put and hope for the best.
Not good enough and he is going to get us relegated.
The defence were brilliant today and if they can keep the ball away from our goal we have a chance.
But Rico is a liability. Certainly the worst keeper in the Prem at the moment.
Did you watch the game? Defence were not brilliant in the slightest because if they were then Ream wouldn't make the mistake he does for the first goal, and what are you on about with Ofoi thinking it's the keepers ball? If don't get a shout then you get rid of it, I can't believe you're actually defending individual mistakes and claiming Rico is the worst keeper in the PL. Go and have a watch of the Liverpool game yesterday because those highlights will instantly show you that Speroni is miles worse than Rico. You could make some half decent points but your OTT defence of Ream and Odoi (who shaft us week in week out) to say Rico is the worst keeper in the PL is laughable
Speroni is virtually retired. He was called in as an emergency after injuries to the other keepers. He hasn't played for ages and was way off the pace, but I felt a bit sorry for him, because he was probably preparing for a coaching role and didn't expect to be plunged into the first team at Anfield.
If Rico was our third choice, and nearly 40 years old I might be more sympathetic. But , at least, Speroni went for the crosses.
That last minute goal was shocking. Rico almost takes a step back to give Winks the space. He has to claim that ball, just step forward and punch, it was so phucking easy.
I agree he should have not frozen on the line, two very soft crosses, keepers ball all day. The keeper we missed out on from Swansea is doing very well...in Cardiff I believe.
Im surprised all our Goalkeepers are suffering from PTSD are playing behind our defence
Forget how good or bad the players were the Referee had a mayor and had no support from his linesmen.
Some of the decisions were woeful
Quote from: Andy S on January 20, 2019, 07:45:26 PM
Forget how good or bad the players were the Referee had a mayor and had no support from his linesmen.
Some of the decisions were woeful
There were supposed to be 3 mins added time so how come their winner came at 3 mins 48seconds. Where did the 48 seconds come from in added time? Smacks of Fergie time.
It is always stated as "a minimum of .... Minutes"
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Quote from: andyk on January 20, 2019, 07:11:12 PM
Quote from: Deeping_white on January 20, 2019, 07:06:15 PM
Betts better than Rico? I'll have whatever you're smoking. Both goals are defensive errors, the first one is a Ream special with odoi ducking under a cross and the second is just a joke, nobody doing their job properly. He had every right to launch the ball at the end, there was not one player in the Spurs half, a point wasn't good enough and we needed three. Perhaps look at Ryan Sessegnon who literally stood 5 yards from the Spurs player who eventually played the hall forward and didn't make a move to try and close him down, when he should be busting a gut after coming on as a substitute
Rico has good positional sense, and he gets in the way of shots from distance. He's not bad at distribution. But he doesn't come for crosses, even when the ball is in the 6 yard box. He has to command that space, every keeper will tell you that. Odoi probably thought that was a keepers ball all day long, so rather than risking a deflection, let him deal with it.
Fact is that Rico doesn't leave his line, because when he does he usually flaps about and misses it. So the cowards way out, stay put and hope for the best.
Not good enough and he is going to get us relegated.
The defence were brilliant today and if they can keep the ball away from our goal we have a chance.
But Rico is a liability. Certainly the worst keeper in the Prem at the moment.
Whats Bettinelli then?
Worst keeper in the league?! Are you sure! He's been man of the match more than the majority of the squad put together and is comfortably better than 50% of the keepers in the league. Let's see where he ends up next season
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Bettinelli doesn't come for crosses. In 5-6 years playing for Fulham, I don't think he has ever claimed a cross where it involved coming more than 18 inches off his line and/or competing with another player.
In any case one mistake from Rico doesn't suddenly make him a Championship 'keeper
The worse thing about tne goal, was giving tne ballaway with 30 seconds to go, should of played tne time down. A point would be decent to build on
Absolutely right Fulham Traveller...absolutely right.
Quote from: Statto on January 20, 2019, 08:51:31 PM
Bettinelli doesn't come for crosses. In 5-6 years playing for Fulham, I don't think he has ever claimed a cross where it involved coming more than 18 inches off his line and/or competing with another player.
In any case one mistake from Rico doesn't suddenly make him a Championship 'keeper
I agree with you. For once.
Quote from: Statto on January 20, 2019, 08:51:31 PM
Bettinelli doesn't come for crosses. In 5-6 years playing for Fulham, I don't think he has ever claimed a cross where it involved coming more than 18 inches off his line and/or competing with another player.
In any case one mistake from Rico doesn't suddenly make him a Championship 'keeper
It's not his first mistake. He's let loads of goals in that other keepers in the Prem would have saved.
Fact is that he can save the ball if it is hit straight at him, which shows that he is good positionally.
But he's not agile, and can't react quickly to the ball if it is a few inches to his left or right. His reluctance to come off his line is his other failing.
Teams have spotted it and they are lumping the ball towards the six yard box from distance. Unless he sorts that out, we will continue to concede goals, we shouldn't concede.
Sergio Rico is making mistakes, but he is still the best player in the "back six" this season by miles and miles. At his best he is Champions League keeper and at his worst he is a lower table EPL First Xi keeper, but even at his worst he not a Championship Keeper.
I froze the moment when they scored that last goal, player was inside the 6yd box and Rico was stuck on his line, his error, end of. As the last line of defence he should have come for it.
Can I ask who is the best keeper of Betts and Fabri? I think statistics indicate Fabri, he's definately better on crosses and more experienced. I wonder if we may need to consider giving the other goalkeepers games against Chelsea, Liverpool and Mancester City in March.
I thought Fabri unfairly got a hard time, and was dropped after a couple of games.
But Rico has weaknesses too -not sure if he' better than Betts. But we shouldn't keep changing the keeper, like we did earlier in the season.
Can someone please explain why Betts and Fabri aren't getting some games in the "Premier League 2 (PL2)" like Cisse did?
I believe Fulham are allowed to play an overaged goalkeeper and few of overage outfield players. Does anyone know the PL2 Rules?
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 21, 2019, 06:57:53 AM
Can someone please explain why Betts and Fabri aren't getting some games in the "Premier League 2 (PL2)" like Cisse did?
I believe Fulham are allowed to play an overaged goalkeeper and few of overage outfield players. Does anyone know the PL2 Rules?
Modern football pretty much says that you dont play First Team footballers in the reserves. Cisse was out of that squad and playing in 23's. Now hes back.
I dont agree with it but the last time we really played guys in the reserrves was in Roys time.
We need to talk about Sergio Rico....
Ok, he's the best keeper we have. There you are I've talked about him.
Quote from: MJG on January 21, 2019, 07:34:23 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 21, 2019, 06:57:53 AM
Can someone please explain why Betts and Fabri aren't getting some games in the "Premier League 2 (PL2)" like Cisse did?
I believe Fulham are allowed to play an overaged goalkeeper and few of overage outfield players. Does anyone know the PL2 Rules?
Modern football pretty much says that you dont play First Team footballers in the reserves. Cisse was out of that squad and playing in 23's. Now hes back.
I dont agree with it but the last time we really played guys in the reserrves was in Roys time.
I would love to define "First Team footballer", because Fabri seems to almost equally "out of the First Team squad".
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 21, 2019, 07:57:11 AM
Quote from: MJG on January 21, 2019, 07:34:23 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 21, 2019, 06:57:53 AM
Can someone please explain why Betts and Fabri aren't getting some games in the "Premier League 2 (PL2)" like Cisse did?
I believe Fulham are allowed to play an overaged goalkeeper and few of overage outfield players. Does anyone know the PL2 Rules?
Modern football pretty much says that you dont play First Team footballers in the reserves. Cisse was out of that squad and playing in 23's. Now hes back.
I dont agree with it but the last time we really played guys in the reserrves was in Roys time.
I would love to define "First Team footballer", because Fabri seems to almost equally "out of the First Team squad".
Depends what you define as first team squad? Its more than the matchday 18 and more like 25.
I have a real concern that with the plans in place for MP the gap between the groups will becaome larger and the chance for U23's to move up will reduce.
I think Rico is easily our best keeper but also should of come for that cross upon review. BUT, Bryan, is easily the biggest offender for why that goal went in. Watching a full back look at said player 4 times in his run and at no point deciding to get in front of him and you know, defend, is criminal. Lost a lot of respect for Bryan on that. That's not a technical issue, that's a lazy one.
I don't think the three GK's are Championship quality, tbh. I find it difficult to accept we couldn't find a better option on the cheap. ffs, how did we get here with this lot? i see more promise at center half than at keeper.
Quote from: MJG on January 21, 2019, 07:45:04 AM
We need to talk about Sergio Rico....
Ok, he's the best keeper we have. There you are I've talked about him.
Totally agree no contest about him being the best we have at the club :54: 049:gif
Quote from: JimmyBullardsBarber on January 21, 2019, 06:19:59 PM
I don't think the three GK's are Championship quality, tbh. I find it difficult to accept we couldn't find a better option on the cheap. ffs, how did we get here with this lot? i see more promise at center half than at keeper.
You must be a :hook:
Think he just needs to work on his confidence in getting out to catch crosses. Had a couple should-be catches that were punches instead. Both goals definitely needs to command the area. He hasn't whiffed on a cross yet when he's aggressive, so might as well go for it to prevent our defense to have to make a decision.
At the moment Rico wears the Jersey so it's his to lose. There are mistakes currently being made this season all over the pitch not just in goal.
So although I have a soft spot for Betts and I like him, he will have to be patient.
Although to be honest I feel that we may need in the longer term step up a gear and look for a quality custodian if neither Rico or Betts turn out not to be the answer.
Quote from: kiwian on January 21, 2019, 04:32:39 AM
I froze the moment when they scored that last goal, player was inside the 6yd box and Rico was stuck on his line, his error, end of. As the last line of defence he should have come for it.
Absolute rubbish. Have you ever played in goal?. A great cross across the goal. If Rico had come out to collect the ball and someone at the near side of goal had got his head to the ball and scored you would have crucified him for not staying on his line. How often do you see centres attacked by forwards who all miss the ball and it creeps inside the far post with no one touching it. Keepers cannot win, they are dammed if they come out and dammed if they dont
Whilst Rico may have come for the ball. Joe Bryan was wrong side and Winks breezed past him for the header. Combination of errors - not just Rico.
I have said for ages rico's ability at crossing is very suspect but usually get shouted down by the clique that generally appear between monday to friday (or any day that isn't the one after match day) that see nothing wrong at the club, its players or management and find excuses for virtually any errors.
Rico is worse than betts in my opinion, betts does claim the ball in the air and is more commanding of the box. Shot stopping about equal and distribution rico obviously superior except he was poor yesterday but aeveryone in entitled to an off day.
But to claim rico is better than betts is, especially for an english type game where crossing is so prevelant needs glasses, betts was and remains superior. But in truth there isn't much between them but time for betts to have another go.
The real crime yesterday was ream's error and bryan's lamentable marking of winks, all he had to do was atay with him. If seri would have made that error i would have written volumes on the subject but bryan's lack of effort, because he did see him was pathetic and was proof positive we need full backs!
I feel sorry for ant fulham keeper that has to play behind our defence... having said that rico really should have done far better in dealing with both goals, even if he still let them in he made no effort to intercept the ball and looked like a statue.
It was noticeable all through the game that Rico seemed to be stuck on his line but the Spurs crosses were of some quality.
I wonder if Betts would have done better, Schwartzer and Van der Sah certainly would have done but then they were both proven Premier league quality.
Quote from: Statto on January 20, 2019, 08:51:31 PM
Bettinelli doesn't come for crosses. In 5-6 years playing for Fulham, I don't think he has ever claimed a cross where it involved coming more than 18 inches off his line and/or competing with another player.
Personally, I don't think there is much to choose between all three of our keepers, but if you want to make a case for Rico beng better than Bettinelli (which is a legitimate opinion), make sensible points, because inane dissing of Bettinelli destroys your credibility. If you are seriously claiming that Bettinelli has neither claimed a cross more than 18 inches from his line nor competed with an opposing player beyond that distance from goal....I simply am at a loss to know what to write.
Quote from: Plodder on January 22, 2019, 01:09:41 AM
Quote from: Statto on January 20, 2019, 08:51:31 PM
Bettinelli doesn't come for crosses. In 5-6 years playing for Fulham, I don't think he has ever claimed a cross where it involved coming more than 18 inches off his line and/or competing with another player.
Personally, I don't think there is much to choose between all three of our keepers, but if you want to make a case for Rico beng better than Bettinelli (which is a legitimate opinion), make sensible points, because inane dissing of Bettinelli destroys your credibility. If you are seriously claiming that Bettinelli has neither claimed a cross more than 18 inches from his line nor competed with an opposing player beyond that distance from goal....I simply am at a loss to know what to write.
Simple solution. Plenty of video of those Fulham games online. Show me this famous time Bettinelli suddenly became great at catching crosses.
You can clearly see Odoi duck when the cross comes in for their first goal, expecting Rico to claim it. I think Bettinelli warrants a recall.
Quote from: Statto on January 22, 2019, 07:30:17 AM
Quote from: Plodder on January 22, 2019, 01:09:41 AM
Quote from: Statto on January 20, 2019, 08:51:31 PM
Bettinelli doesn't come for crosses. In 5-6 years playing for Fulham, I don't think he has ever claimed a cross where it involved coming more than 18 inches off his line and/or competing with another player.
Personally, I don't think there is much to choose between all three of our keepers, but if you want to make a case for Rico beng better than Bettinelli (which is a legitimate opinion), make sensible points, because inane dissing of Bettinelli destroys your credibility. If you are seriously claiming that Bettinelli has neither claimed a cross more than 18 inches from his line nor competed with an opposing player beyond that distance from goal....I simply am at a loss to know what to write.
Simple solution. Plenty of video of those Fulham games online. Show me this famous time Bettinelli suddenly became great at catching crosses.
The Whoscored Statistics say i) Marcus Bettinelli "Comes off his line often", but is weak at "Catching Crosses"; ii) Rico doesn't "comes off his line often much" and is average at catching crossses; iii) Fabri "comes off his line often" and is average at catching crossses. Statsiticallly, for the "Tottenham Goals" Fabri was best suited, but I think we should keep Rico as he has been one of the best 5 players every game until this week.
Fulham have had some pretty useful keepers during my time as a supporter, my favourite being Tony Macedo who was brave, agile and a terrific shot stopper. The currently available first team keepers do not inspire me at all, and I'd say they are much of a muchness having weaknesses and strengths that render them pretty ordinary as professional keepers go. But this season is highlighted through all its defensive weaknesses, its lack of communication, organisation, and cohesiveness under pressure. When you are winning the possession stats and putting pressure on opponents by scoring goals then defence becomes a different game of minimising chances offered and maximising the blocking or stopping the crosses and shots of those players who breach the defence. Our record is weak on all counts, and really hasn't matured or improved with age.
This is just a very poor Fulham side, initially crippled by poor investment choices, inadequate thought prior to selection, choice and decision making, and then hampered by trying to solve the resulting chaos via management change rather than cutting away the weak and infested organ causing all those initial issues. And at root I include all summer window purchases except Mitro, MLM, and Bryan who, at least, do seem VFM unlike the others and when money is concerned that it is all that matters, IMHO.
Pity we can't time travel, it really is.
Of course Rico should have claimed the ball for both goals. And used up the time left on the clock.It is laughable to defend him. Both goals were stoppable. Betts would have caught them.Rico is no good on crosses and every single club in the Prem now knows this.
BUT our defence is still very nervous, sure Ream had an air shot but he was good Sunday, Odoi looked nervy throughout and Le Marchand just can't wait to get booked or give away a penalty. But the real weakness is at full back. Both Christie and Bryan had the wrong body shape throughout. Christie was slow and panicked when in possession. Bryan was poor defending and was not goal side of Wicks when he headed the ball. That is about the third time he has been poor at the far post in four games.
Also they do not make stopping crosses going into the box a priority.It is vital as our goalkeeper can't catch them.
The huge mistake was letting Freddo go and not signing Targett. We can't attack with the current two as they are poor on the ball, slow and unambitious going forward and we certainly can not defend.If we had spent half the money wasted on the goalkeepers and CDM's and got two decent full backs we would be at least 12 points better off.
We will continue to lose until we get two new ones. Why did we not sign Cole or even get Moussa back from Spurs.We need muscle, more effort and more control...thank goodness for Chambers.
Quote from: Neil D on January 22, 2019, 07:44:06 AM
You can clearly see Odoi duck when the cross comes in for their first goal, expecting Rico to claim it. I think Bettinelli warrants a recall.
Or there was no shout and Odoi needs dropping for that mistake?
Quote from: clarkey on January 22, 2019, 08:48:28 AM
The huge mistake was letting Freddo go and not signing Targett. We can't attack with the current two as they are poor on the ball, slow and unambitious going forward and we certainly can not defend.If we had spent half the money wasted on the goalkeepers and CDM's and got two decent full backs we would be at least 12 points better off.
Concur with this and the many times Jokanovic made it obvious how he would make pacey fullbacks the kingpins of transition from defence to attack, with central defensive cover when possession was lost until the fullbacks could get back and cover the flanks. It took Jokanovic many attempts to get it right in both his more successful seasons because of the trading of Malone and the R Sessegnon issue that created. Targett and Fredericks were a dynamic duo compared to which Bryan and Christie simply do not compare at all. I really do not understand what our recruitment team is there for if they cannot rationalise the importance of players who do 'click' and are therefore worth their weight in gold.
Quote from: MJG on January 22, 2019, 08:58:34 AM
Quote from: Neil D on January 22, 2019, 07:44:06 AM
You can clearly see Odoi duck when the cross comes in for their first goal, expecting Rico to claim it. I think Bettinelli warrants a recall.
Or there was no shout and Odoi needs dropping for that mistake?
If we start dropping players for 'mistakes' then pretty soon there will be nobody left....
I have no doubts that Rico is PL quality. Even the best goalkeepers are going to be in two minds playing in front of a defence that has leaked as many goals as this one.
Defences who have no confidence in their keeper tend to defend a little too deep to compensate and keepers who lack a bit of faith in those in front of them either make mad dashes off the line to do the job themselves or are reluctant to leave their line at all.
Quote from: Statto on January 22, 2019, 07:30:17 AM
Quote from: Plodder on January 22, 2019, 01:09:41 AM
Quote from: Statto on January 20, 2019, 08:51:31 PM
Bettinelli doesn't come for crosses. In 5-6 years playing for Fulham, I don't think he has ever claimed a cross where it involved coming more than 18 inches off his line and/or competing with another player.
Personally, I don't think there is much to choose between all three of our keepers, but if you want to make a case for Rico beng better than Bettinelli (which is a legitimate opinion), make sensible points, because inane dissing of Bettinelli destroys your credibility. If you are seriously claiming that Bettinelli has neither claimed a cross more than 18 inches from his line nor competed with an opposing player beyond that distance from goal....I simply am at a loss to know what to write.
Simple solution. Plenty of video of those Fulham games online. Show me this famous time Bettinelli suddenly became great at catching crosses.
I didn't write "Bettinelli suddenly became great at catching crosses". You were the one who made the reference to him never coming more than 18 inches to claim a cross or compete with an opposing player. Your hyperbole (assuming it is such) undermines your argument.
Quite right to say that our whole back five is not strong and we are being a little out of order to single out the keeper but he does seem to have a problem with crosses.
The big question though is has there ever been a club that started their season in the Premier league with full backs not as good as the ones that helped to get them promoted.
Quote from: MJG on January 22, 2019, 08:58:34 AM
Quote from: Neil D on January 22, 2019, 07:44:06 AM
You can clearly see Odoi duck when the cross comes in for their first goal, expecting Rico to claim it. I think Bettinelli warrants a recall.
Or there was no shout and Odoi needs dropping for that mistake?
Surely it is borderline insane to drop a player because of a single mistake, as your post indicates? Multiple mistakes, maybe, but first and foremost players should of course be assessed on their overall performance, of which mistakes are one of many factors to weigh in. I know that fans love knee jerk reactions, but thankfully professional managers are most of the time better than that.
In any case, with less than someone coming out to explain what actually happened (i.e. was there a shout or not, what was Odoi thinking), we cannot know for sure. I believe most of us can agree on i) Ream should of course have cleared the ball, ii) Odoi should at least have tried to head it if nothing else to make it more difficult for Alli, and iii) Rico should have had better command of the box in this situation. Should we immediately drop all three of them for next game?
Just so Im clear...a post saying we should drop Rico because he didnt come out for a ball is ok.
But me replying lets drop another player who made a mistake is wrong?
As long as im clear on that.
Quote from: MJG on January 22, 2019, 11:10:29 AM
Just so Im clear...a post saying we should drop Rico because he didnt come out for a ball is ok.
But me replying lets drop another player who made a mistake is wrong?
As long as im clear on that.
You missunderstood, was meant to be directed at both statements as they are equally ridiculous. Sorry for being so unclear.
Well there have been a number of players over a number of matches have all been making mistakes, but we cannot drop them all otherwise we will have difficulty in fielding a team.
Mistakes are a consequence of poor quality players, lack of confidence and togetherness and communication. Together with the usual rotten luck of a club associated with being in the bottom three.
It is what it is, and in the absence of reinforcements we have to ride the storm for better or for worse.
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 22, 2019, 01:15:07 PM
Quote from: MJG on January 22, 2019, 11:10:29 AM
Just so Im clear...a post saying we should drop Rico because he didnt come out for a ball is ok.
But me replying lets drop another player who made a mistake is wrong?
As long as im clear on that.
You missunderstood, was meant to be directed at both statements as they are equally ridiculous. Sorry for being so unclear.
And clearly my sarcastic reply was misunderstaood. At least we all understand now. ;-)
Quote from: MJG on January 22, 2019, 01:24:57 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 22, 2019, 01:15:07 PM
Quote from: MJG on January 22, 2019, 11:10:29 AM
Just so Im clear...a post saying we should drop Rico because he didnt come out for a ball is ok.
But me replying lets drop another player who made a mistake is wrong?
As long as im clear on that.
You missunderstood, was meant to be directed at both statements as they are equally ridiculous. Sorry for being so unclear.
And clearly my sarcastic reply was misunderstaood. At least we all understand now. ;-)
It was, and my apologies. Sarcasm isn't always apparent in writing, but was a bit surprised by your comments seeing that I usually find you both level headed and reasonable. That should probably have been a clue for me...
