In tonights results on the BBC site.
Results in order:
League 1
League 2
Womens International friendlies
EFL Trophy results (inc Man City under-21's)
The Asia Cup
Nationa lLeague
What's your point?
No idea what you're talking about roger!
Presumably you think the Women's International Friendly results should be listed last? In these days of admittedly sometimes PC madness I really don't see this as an example!
Women should know their place by now?
So internationals were listed after leagues 1&2 because they were friendlies not competitive games?
I think Rogers irony is lost on the masses here.
I get it and fully agree with Roger's post - whatever it means .... which we mustn't say anyway in case it offends anyone
I get it and fully agree with Roger's post - whatever it means .... which we mustn't say anyway in case it offends anyone
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I'm a women and not sure what Roger is on about
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Maybe internationals should be listed above Leagues 1 and 2?
It all went wrong when we gave them the vote
On one hand, I agree about the politically correct bbc. I watch some dramas and you can hear the producers desperatly trying to get some pc content in.
This often takes away from the drama as it just doesnt seem real and so obviosuly staged. We sat down to watch Silent Witness last night. 25 mins in, it was just too much but this was mainly the script. Nobody in my family knew anyone that said the things that any of the cast said. It was just trying so hard. Sad to say, the US makes far better drama at the moment
But, I'm a forty something white bloke. Maybe I just dont get it. (I am aware of that)
In regards the order of resuts, I have no idea of the point or joke. It's gone over my head
Actually we really enjoyed last night's silent witness and I don't agree that the US makes better drama (it isn't that simple because a lot of high value dramas are jointly funded anyway). Examples of recent good "British" dramas include; Vanity Fair, The Bodyguard, The Unforgotten, The Night Manager and The Little Drummer Girl. They may not all be to everyone's taste but a pretty impressive list of examples.
To the OP I have no idea what he is on about!
Quote from: Twig on January 23, 2019, 11:38:39 AM
Actually we really enjoyed last night's silent witness and I don't agree that the US makes better drama (it isn't that simple because a lot of high value dramas are jointly funded anyway). Examples of recent good "British" dramas include; Vanity Fair, The Bodyguard, The Unforgotten, The Night Manager and The Little Drummer Girl. They may not all be to everyone's taste but a pretty impressive list of examples.
To the OP I have no idea what he is on about!
I'd add Killing Eve to that which was a BBC America production but basically British.
TV drama and quality of it from around the world is at a peak. Lots of great stuff on the hundreds of different services that are available.
The other day on the main BBC football page they had a story about Birmingham appointing a new manager. I thought that's strange, they've got Garry Monk. Turns out it was the women's team
Killing Eve was a very good, very successful drama, with a British cast and production. It was pc, I suppose, in that if featured women in the main roles.
The Bodyguard another recent brilliant political thriller, Line of Duty, The Little Drummer Girl, Les Misérables, American psychological drama series The Sinner, and Scandi thriller series like The Killing, all excellent and on the BBC, and now there is cross programming with other channels like Netflix - and are they bothered about anything other than 'will people watch this?'
Quote from: Twig on January 23, 2019, 11:38:39 AM
Actually we really enjoyed last night's silent witness and I don't agree that the US makes better drama (it isn't that simple because a lot of high value dramas are jointly funded anyway). Examples of recent good "British" dramas include; Vanity Fair, The Bodyguard, The Unforgotten, The Night Manager and The Little Drummer Girl. They may not all be to everyone's taste but a pretty impressive list of examples.
To the OP I have no idea what he is on about!
I know it is off topicish but IMO, and I do like drama, on a consistent basis of grown up stuff with brilliant layerd charecterisations, dialogue and challenging ideas and concepts, British drama is miles ahead of US stuff. I like some US stuff but it rarely has the depth of ours. the light and shade is rarely there in US drama, that is not to say it is not enjoyable, but it is less challenging and the charecters generally far more predictable. The same goes for comedy too.
The americans excel at light, romantic sentimental stuff (which i like too,and as a result I spent all December watching films about santa being real, living next door to a newly widowed woman with a child with behavioral problems, and then santa resolving the issues by finding her a handsome man to fall in love with. The plot is always the same and there is often a cute dog too!). We can't do that as well as them.
Without being accused of being misogynist/ Maga pro-Trump/ right wing nazi/ Brexiteer etc
I would like to make a simple point that the popularity of mainstream women's football is extremely small. Any attempt by BBC to promote it as mainstream sucks of PC
I am not degrading female participation just commenting that the popularity and appeal of Womens' football is as a minority sport at the present time
There.... I've put it out in the open - I hope I have not upset anyone
Quote from: Baszab on January 23, 2019, 12:24:26 PM
Without being accused of being misogynist/ Maga pro-Trump/ right wing nazi/ Brexiteer etc
I would like to make a simple point that the popularity of mainstream women's football is extremely small. Any attempt by BBC to promote it as mainstream sucks of PC
I am not degrading female participation just commenting that the popularity and appeal of Womens' football is as a minority sport at the present time
There.... I've put it out in the open - I hope I have not upset anyone
Well, isn't the BBC publicly funded? There may then be a point in promoting women's football more (in regards to popularity, in total women's football gets basically no coverage as compared to men's). The theory is probably that by giving a more equal representation the popularity levels will over time get closer.
By the way, to use the term PC as a general negative has always seemed strange to me. Care to explain why this is an issue at all in this case?
Quote from: Baszab on January 23, 2019, 12:24:26 PM
Without being accused of being misogynist/ Maga pro-Trump/ right wing nazi/ Brexiteer etc
I would like to make a simple point that the popularity of mainstream women's football is extremely small. Any attempt by BBC to promote it as mainstream sucks of PC
I am not degrading female participation just commenting that the popularity and appeal of Womens' football is as a minority sport at the present time
There.... I've put it out in the open - I hope I have not upset anyone
The reason they are promoting sports like women's football is because they cannot compete with sky's financial muscle. Sky and their like are now the broadcasters of all the main sports events. Nothing to do with wanting to be pc
I married a woman, my mistress is a woman, my next door neighbours wife makes a lovely cup of cocoa, when her husband is at work. Also my wife's sister is a woman and does a spot on top range Swedish Massage of Epic Proportions.
I hope I have not offended any sensitive sole.
Although I would never ever attempt to tell a woman how to knit, any more than they would attempt to tell me how to win a Yard of Ale contest.
Women are more attractive to me when they are Feminine, sweet and vulnerable.
Nevertheless, I always watch England's International women's Football, Cricket and Rugby matches.
Plenty of skill, quality, competitiveness and commitment, they clearly train very hard.
I recommend them.
Quote from: MJG on January 23, 2019, 11:45:40 AM
Quote from: Twig on January 23, 2019, 11:38:39 AM
Actually we really enjoyed last night's silent witness and I don't agree that the US makes better drama (it isn't that simple because a lot of high value dramas are jointly funded anyway). Examples of recent good "British" dramas include; Vanity Fair, The Bodyguard, The Unforgotten, The Night Manager and The Little Drummer Girl. They may not all be to everyone's taste but a pretty impressive list of examples.
To the OP I have no idea what he is on about!
I'd add Killing Eve to that which was a BBC America production but basically British.
TV drama and quality of it from around the world is at a peak. Lots of great stuff on the hundreds of different services that are available.
Cant argue with either of these posts. I really liked all of them. I think I've become a bit Netflix centric. Better call Saul being my all time fave
Quote from: Twig on January 23, 2019, 11:38:39 AM
Actually we really enjoyed last night's silent witness and I don't agree that the US makes better drama (it isn't that simple because a lot of high value dramas are jointly funded anyway). Examples of recent good "British" dramas include; Vanity Fair, The Bodyguard, The Unforgotten, The Night Manager and The Little Drummer Girl. They may not all be to everyone's taste but a pretty impressive list of examples.
To the OP I have no idea what he is on about!
There is simply no comparison between American and British drama (IMHO). It's chalk and cheese, gravitas and superficiality.
Quote from: Holders on January 23, 2019, 12:55:01 PM
Quote from: Twig on January 23, 2019, 11:38:39 AM
Actually we really enjoyed last night's silent witness and I don't agree that the US makes better drama (it isn't that simple because a lot of high value dramas are jointly funded anyway). Examples of recent good "British" dramas include; Vanity Fair, The Bodyguard, The Unforgotten, The Night Manager and The Little Drummer Girl. They may not all be to everyone's taste but a pretty impressive list of examples.
To the OP I have no idea what he is on about!
There is simply no comparison between American and British drama (IMHO). It's chalk and cheese, gravitas and superficiality.
I disagree, both can be just as good or bad as the other.
American TV in the last 12 year...The Handmaids Tail, The Americans, Homecoming, Sharp Objects, manic, The Haunting of Hill House, Westworld, Get Shorty, Succession, Billions and much more
I am not sure this is the right forum for this, but as light relief to FFC's problems ..:....
my closing thought on your question
I think BBC action becomes PC when they are promoting an issue /agenda that is not necessarily populist - ie they are favouring a minority
- which is not a "bad thing" - but becomes unnecessary if it prejudices the majority
Reverse discrimination is also unhelpful
Obviously not related to football scores !!
Quote from: Holders on January 23, 2019, 12:55:01 PM
Quote from: Twig on January 23, 2019, 11:38:39 AM
Actually we really enjoyed last night's silent witness and I don't agree that the US makes better drama (it isn't that simple because a lot of high value dramas are jointly funded anyway). Examples of recent good "British" dramas include; Vanity Fair, The Bodyguard, The Unforgotten, The Night Manager and The Little Drummer Girl. They may not all be to everyone's taste but a pretty impressive list of examples.
To the OP I have no idea what he is on about!
There is simply no comparison between American and British drama (IMHO). It's chalk and cheese, gravitas and superficiality.
I tend to agree. That is not to say there isn't good US stuff but for sheer quality of the words, depth of character and being thought provoking, Uk stuff is usually streets ahead.
Quote from: nose on January 23, 2019, 01:16:59 PM
Quote from: Holders on January 23, 2019, 12:55:01 PM
Quote from: Twig on January 23, 2019, 11:38:39 AM
Actually we really enjoyed last night's silent witness and I don't agree that the US makes better drama (it isn't that simple because a lot of high value dramas are jointly funded anyway). Examples of recent good "British" dramas include; Vanity Fair, The Bodyguard, The Unforgotten, The Night Manager and The Little Drummer Girl. They may not all be to everyone's taste but a pretty impressive list of examples.
To the OP I have no idea what he is on about!
There is simply no comparison between American and British drama (IMHO). It's chalk and cheese, gravitas and superficiality.
I tend to agree. That is not to say there isn't good US stuff but for sheer quality of the words, depth of character and being thought provoking, Uk stuff is usually streets ahead.
Yes, there is certainly bad British drama (usually on the commercial channels where numbers of viewers are king rather than quality) but, in all honesty, I've yet to see a good US drama. I would genuinely welcome suggestions that might change my view on this.
Quote from: Baszab on January 23, 2019, 01:02:51 PM
I am not sure this is the right forum for this, but as light relief to FFC's problems ..:....
my closing thought on your question
I think BBC action becomes PC when they are promoting an issue /agenda that is not necessarily populist - ie they are favouring a minority
- which is not a "bad thing" - but becomes unnecessary if it prejudices the majority
Reverse discrimination is also unhelpful
Obviously not related to football scores !!
I agree, but I also cannot understand why they all shout at each other on American TV. Like ourselves they have some really good films and dramas.
But I often wonder if they have hearing issues, far too noisy which can spoil a good film or drama.
I wouldn't say the BBC using a small advertising segment to try and promote a sport either to increase viewership or participation is PC to be honest. I'm usually quite critical of the BBC inserting progressive politics into shows needlessly etc but I don't really see an issue here. I saw the woman's six nations advert on this morning and pondered a similar line to yours and just came to conclusion it's trying to boost viewership and participation which I think is important (participation more than viewership).
Quote from: Holders on January 23, 2019, 01:20:41 PM
Yes, there is certainly bad British drama (usually on the commercial channels where numbers of viewers are king rather than quality) but, in all honesty, I've yet to see a good US drama. I would genuinely welcome suggestions that might change my view on this.
Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul - Netflix needed for the latter. Get Shorty, Billions on Sky Atlantic. The Americans (ITV2, bizarrely). All these have been mentioned already. Start with the latter as it's readily available.
Quote from: Neil D on January 23, 2019, 01:34:29 PM
Quote from: Holders on January 23, 2019, 01:20:41 PM
Yes, there is certainly bad British drama (usually on the commercial channels where numbers of viewers are king rather than quality) but, in all honesty, I've yet to see a good US drama. I would genuinely welcome suggestions that might change my view on this.
Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul - Netflix needed for the latter. Get Shorty, Billions on Sky Atlantic. The Americans (ITV2, bizarrely). All these have been mentioned already. Start with the latter as it's readily available.
Thank you, I don't get Netflix or Sky but will try the latter.
Quote from: Baszab on January 23, 2019, 01:02:51 PM
I am not sure this is the right forum for this, but as light relief to FFC's problems ..:....
my closing thought on your question
I think BBC action becomes PC when they are promoting an issue /agenda that is not necessarily populist - ie they are favouring a minority
- which is not a "bad thing" - but becomes unnecessary if it prejudices the majority
Reverse discrimination is also unhelpful
Obviously not related to football scores !!
I don't think there is anything actually called "reverse discrimination" as such, as discrimination is discrimination, but I understand what you mean. However, since I am interested in seeing what you mean, can you give an example?
Quote from: BedsFFC on January 23, 2019, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: MJG on January 23, 2019, 11:45:40 AM
Quote from: Twig on January 23, 2019, 11:38:39 AM
Actually we really enjoyed last night's silent witness and I don't agree that the US makes better drama (it isn't that simple because a lot of high value dramas are jointly funded anyway). Examples of recent good "British" dramas include; Vanity Fair, The Bodyguard, The Unforgotten, The Night Manager and The Little Drummer Girl. They may not all be to everyone's taste but a pretty impressive list of examples.
To the OP I have no idea what he is on about!
I'd add Killing Eve to that which was a BBC America production but basically British.
TV drama and quality of it from around the world is at a peak. Lots of great stuff on the hundreds of different services that are available.
Cant argue with either of these posts. I really liked all of them. I think I've become a bit Netflix centric. Better call Saul being my all time fave
I'm with you on this one. I watched Breaking Bad back to back for the first time last year and then Better Call Saul.
I didn't think Breaking Bad could be bettered but loved Better Call Saul. Brilliant characters.
Quote from: Statto on January 23, 2019, 02:49:45 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 23, 2019, 02:04:12 PM
Quote from: Baszab on January 23, 2019, 01:02:51 PM
I am not sure this is the right forum for this, but as light relief to FFC's problems ..:....
my closing thought on your question
I think BBC action becomes PC when they are promoting an issue /agenda that is not necessarily populist - ie they are favouring a minority
- which is not a "bad thing" - but becomes unnecessary if it prejudices the majority
Reverse discrimination is also unhelpful
Obviously not related to football scores !!
I don't think there is anything actually called "reverse discrimination" as such, as discrimination is discrimination, but I understand what you mean. However, since I am interested in seeing what you mean, can you give an example?
A good example in this context would be the BBC paying their US and China correspondents the same (even though the latter role has vastly lower levels of airtime, profile etc) because the former is a man and the latter a woman and they don't want be accused of gender discrimination.
Come off it Statto - you've used a very selective example there. Hers what the top bbc earners make:
Higher end of the list is dominated by white males even though alot of the women have more airtime - Laura kuennsberg for example seems to be on every time I switch to bbc - but in terms of pay she's well down the list
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/entertainment-arts-44792074
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on January 23, 2019, 02:57:52 PM
Quote from: Statto on January 23, 2019, 02:49:45 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 23, 2019, 02:04:12 PM
Quote from: Baszab on January 23, 2019, 01:02:51 PM
I am not sure this is the right forum for this, but as light relief to FFC's problems ..:....
my closing thought on your question
I think BBC action becomes PC when they are promoting an issue /agenda that is not necessarily populist - ie they are favouring a minority
- which is not a "bad thing" - but becomes unnecessary if it prejudices the majority
Reverse discrimination is also unhelpful
Obviously not related to football scores !!
I don't think there is anything actually called "reverse discrimination" as such, as discrimination is discrimination, but I understand what you mean. However, since I am interested in seeing what you mean, can you give an example?
A good example in this context would be the BBC paying their US and China correspondents the same (even though the latter role has vastly lower levels of airtime, profile etc) because the former is a man and the latter a woman and they don't want be accused of gender discrimination.
Come off it Statto - you've used a very selective example there. Hers what the top bbc earners make:
Higher end of the list is dominated by white males even though alot of the women have more airtime - Laura kuennsberg for example seems to be on every time I switch to bbc - but in terms of pay she's well down the list
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/entertainment-arts-44792074
If you take that in isolation it looks bad, but factor in audience pulls, it paints a clearer picture.
Quote from: Statto on January 23, 2019, 02:49:45 PM
A good example in this context would be the BBC paying their US and China correspondents the same (even though the latter role has vastly lower levels of airtime, profile etc) because the former is a man and the latter a woman and they don't want be accused of gender discrimination.
Is this an actual case? And can it be verified by a similar reverse situation in which the man earned less? Just out of interest? Because there could be so many factors behind a persons salary so that it is normally difficult to tell the actual reasons.
Quote from: rogerpnowinFlorida on January 23, 2019, 01:19:39 AM
In tonights results on the BBC site.
Results in order:
League 1
League 2
Womens International friendlies
EFL Trophy results (inc Man City under-21's)
The Asia Cup
Nationa lLeague
Yes, i have a rant when i see that all the time.
But what about The Womens Netball team .
BBC Sports Personality team of the year for winning a gold at Commonwealth Games
Ha Ha.
And the then taking .Most Memorable moment in Sport
Total farce BBC .
Talksport gone women mad as well .
Then again some of them are better than Micky(you know) Quinn etc.
Quote from: ffcne on January 23, 2019, 03:41:42 PM
Quote from: rogerpnowinFlorida on January 23, 2019, 01:19:39 AM
In tonights results on the BBC site.
Results in order:
League 1
League 2
Womens International friendlies
EFL Trophy results (inc Man City under-21's)
The Asia Cup
Nationa lLeague
Yes, i have a rant when i see that all the time.
But what about The Womens Netball team .
BBC Sports Personality team of the year for winning a gold at Commonwealth Games
Ha Ha.
And the then taking .Most Memorable moment in Sport
Total farce BBC .
Talksport gone women mad as well .
Then again some of them are better than Micky(you know) Quinn etc.
What is the problem exactly?
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 23, 2019, 03:50:01 PM
Quote from: ffcne on January 23, 2019, 03:41:42 PM
Quote from: rogerpnowinFlorida on January 23, 2019, 01:19:39 AM
In tonights results on the BBC site.
Results in order:
League 1
League 2
Womens International friendlies
EFL Trophy results (inc Man City under-21's)
The Asia Cup
Nationa lLeague
Yes, i have a rant when i see that all the time.
But what about The Womens Netball team .
BBC Sports Personality team of the year for winning a gold at Commonwealth Games
Ha Ha.
And the then taking .Most Memorable moment in Sport
Total farce BBC .
Talksport gone women mad as well .
Then again some of them are better than Micky(you know) Quinn etc.
What is the problem exactly?
Can i ask you the same question ?
If you disagree with my comments tell me why?
Quote from: ffcne on January 23, 2019, 04:00:30 PM
Can i ask you the same question ?
If you disagree with my comments tell me why?
You can, but it is the wrong question as I neither agreed nor disagreed with your comments. I asked because I don't understand your comments, and wanted you to elaborate on what the problem is.
