Our transfer action has to spring in to life today and tomorrow,
To do nothing is a clear statement that the club have already accepted their fate,
I would urge all supporters though not to hold their breath.
If Fulham have no chance to beat Brighton at Home without transfers, then I fail to see how we can beat one of Everton or West Ham Away or Wolves Away with transfers. A true Fulham fan or player or coach doesn't need any executive signals, we fight to the death anyway.
The executive and accountants may have decided they have already lost £35 million in player transfers this season; FFP rules say once we lose "£35 million in transfers" that's it no more spending allowed.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on January 23, 2019, 04:35:21 AM
If Fulham have no chance to beat Brighton at Home without transfers, then I fail to see how we can beat one of Everton or West Ham Away or Wolves Away with transfers. A true Fulham fan or player or coach doesn't need any executive signals, we fight to the death anyway.
The executive and accountants may have decided they have already lost £35 million in player transfers this season; FFP rules say once we lose "£35 million in transfers" that's it no more spending allowed.
How have we lost £35 million in transfers when we haven't sold anyone (Stephen Humphys aside who made a paper profit)?
A lot of people on here get their knickers in a twist about FFP when, for us at least, the situation is manageable.
Still doesn't necessarily mean we'll sign anyone though (just to keep the negative vibe going here)
. . . we need to avoid giving away a penalty in the last ten minutes !!
Without a silly handball - we were home and dry when we played them on the south coast
Quote from: Roberty on January 23, 2019, 12:03:56 PM
. . . we need to avoid giving away a penalty in the last ten minutes !!
Without a silly handball - we were home and dry when we played them on the south coast
I was thinking the same, I was also thinking we need to score 3 because we tend to concede twice in most games, even against oldham.
Quote from: Riversider on January 23, 2019, 03:10:24 AM
Our transfer action has to spring in to life today and tomorrow,
To do nothing is a clear statement that the club have already accepted their fate,
I would urge all supporters though not to hold their breath.
The club has been sleep walking for a while now. It would not surprise me that they never actually became proactive over recruitment until January 2nd, when the crack recruitment unit returned from their Christmas and New Year festivities from wherever they were on the planet, and rebooted their computers.
Quote from: Riversider on January 23, 2019, 03:10:24 AM
Our transfer action has to spring in to life today and tomorrow,
To do nothing is a clear statement that the club have already accepted their fate,
I would urge all supporters though not to hold their breath.
You may argue that we need signings in order to stay in the PL, but to claim that we have no chance of beating Brighton without additions is in my opinion a huge exaggeration. They are a decent team but hardly great, and of course we can win with our current squad. Isn't our situation bad enough without these doomsday threads?
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 23, 2019, 03:30:51 PM
Quote from: Riversider on January 23, 2019, 03:10:24 AM
Our transfer action has to spring in to life today and tomorrow,
To do nothing is a clear statement that the club have already accepted their fate,
I would urge all supporters though not to hold their breath.
You may argue that we need signings in order to stay in the PL, but to claim that we have no chance of beating Brighton without additions is in my opinion a huge exaggeration. They are a decent team but hardly great, and of course we can win with our current squad. Isn't our situation bad enough without these doomsday threads?
Don't really understand your point ?
Take a look at our league position, and our last ten results and come back and clarify for me why we don't need any additions before next Tuesday, as I'm a little confused.
Quote from: Riversider on January 23, 2019, 03:41:53 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 23, 2019, 03:30:51 PM
Quote from: Riversider on January 23, 2019, 03:10:24 AM
Our transfer action has to spring in to life today and tomorrow,
To do nothing is a clear statement that the club have already accepted their fate,
I would urge all supporters though not to hold their breath.
You may argue that we need signings in order to stay in the PL, but to claim that we have no chance of beating Brighton without additions is in my opinion a huge exaggeration. They are a decent team but hardly great, and of course we can win with our current squad. Isn't our situation bad enough without these doomsday threads?
Don't really understand your point ?
Take a look at our league position, and our last ten results and come back and clarify for me why we don't need any additions before next Tuesday, as I'm a little confused.
It shouldn't be that difficult to understand should it? Did we have no chance of beating teams like Wolves, Leicester or West Ham for example (teams that are not obviously worse than Brighton)? Because if you saw the games we were absolutely in them with a chance, even though we were by no means dominating. I didn't state that we are favorites, or that it wouldn't be good to get some more options in, but we are hardly without a chance.
So, my point (that was very clearly stated by the way) is that saying that we have no chance against Brighton with our current squad is an exaggeration. In my opinion of course. If you are still confused as to what my point was I am not sure I can explain it better, but will try if you want to.
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 23, 2019, 03:56:25 PM
Quote from: Riversider on January 23, 2019, 03:41:53 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 23, 2019, 03:30:51 PM
Quote from: Riversider on January 23, 2019, 03:10:24 AM
Our transfer action has to spring in to life today and tomorrow,
To do nothing is a clear statement that the club have already accepted their fate,
I would urge all supporters though not to hold their breath.
You may argue that we need signings in order to stay in the PL, but to claim that we have no chance of beating Brighton without additions is in my opinion a huge exaggeration. They are a decent team but hardly great, and of course we can win with our current squad. Isn't our situation bad enough without these doomsday threads?
Don't really understand your point ?
Take a look at our league position, and our last ten results and come back and clarify for me why we don't need any additions before next Tuesday, as I'm a little confused.
It shouldn't be that difficult to understand should it? Did we have no chance of beating teams like Wolves, Leicester or West Ham for example (teams that are not obviously worse than Brighton)? Because if you saw the games we were absolutely in them with a chance, even though we were by no means dominating. I didn't state that we are favorites, or that it wouldn't be good to get some more options in, but we are hardly without a chance.
So, my point (that was very clearly stated by the way) is that saying that we have no chance against Brighton with our current squad is an exaggeration. In my opinion of course. If you are still confused as to what my point was I am not sure I can explain it better, but will try if you want to.
To have any chance of "beating" Brighton , was the title of this piece, which is what we have to do,
You objected to my post, saying that we don't need new additions to beat Brighton,
To make your point you put forward 3 teams as an example of why we don't need any new players,
In all 3 games we failed to get a single win !
Thanks for clearing it up and making your point so well and so succinctly.
Quote from: Riversider on January 23, 2019, 04:12:26 PM
To have any chance of "beating" Brighton , was the title of this piece, which is what we have to do,
You objected to my post, saying that we don't need new additions to beat Brighton,
To make your point you put forward 3 teams as an example of why we don't need any new players,
In all 3 games we failed to get a single win !
Thanks for clearing it up and making your point so well and so succinctly.
I am aware that we didn't win them, but that is not the same as saying that we never stood a chance. Did you watch those games, and can you genuinely say that we didn't have a chance of winning any of them? That would also mean that Wolves and Leicester didn't have a chance to beat us as they drew. I guess that means that if neither teams make any additions there is a 100 % chance of a draw next time as well? Or does that only apply to Fulham? Because then it is strange that we lost to Burnley since we had a 100 % chance of beating them.
I will now leave this thread, since I am fairly sure that you understand my point. Just to clarify, I understand that you believe that we are not giving ourselves a good enough chance to survive by being so seemingly inactive in the transfer window, but I am a bit allergic to hyperbole. My apologies for not being able to just ignore it all the time.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 23, 2019, 03:08:38 PM
Quote from: Riversider on January 23, 2019, 03:10:24 AM
Our transfer action has to spring in to life today and tomorrow,
To do nothing is a clear statement that the club have already accepted their fate,
I would urge all supporters though not to hold their breath.
The club has been sleep walking for a while now. It would not surprise me that they never actually became proactive over recruitment until January 2nd, when the crack recruitment unit returned from their Christmas and New Year festivities from wherever they were on the planet, and rebooted their computers.
Disappointing if that was the case. That said, I'm not holding my breath for any late signing difference makers. The redball pickup was a good one, but this team needs defense more so than offense.
We can beat them with what we have but it won't be easy. They can go direct with all their pacy wingers or be more patient, as they have creative players like Gross. Up front Murray is a natural finisher and quite adept at cheating. They have big men who can score from corners. They're a good team.
We need to ideally go 2 up to have a chance of winning.
Play as well as the lads did against Spurs, Leicester, Southampton, Wolves... cut out schoolboy mistakes. That's how they win. Easier said than done though.
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 23, 2019, 04:22:10 PM
I understand that you believe that we are not giving ourselves a good enough chance to survive by being so seemingly inactive in the transfer window
Well done you have understood his point!! No point me saying any more, as you and I disagree on almost everything on this forum! While all might seem rosy to you on what we do or don't do, most of us just go by results, performances and most importantly our league position or am I wearing rose tinted glasses? Our owner is not stupid, once bitten twice shy, why on earth would he invest more money in this window on a hopeless cause? Accept our fate this season (even if we don't like it) and look forward to next season in a league we should be able to compete in!
Quote from: jarv on January 23, 2019, 05:58:37 PM
Play as well as the lads did against Spurs, Leicester, Southampton, Wolves... cut out schoolboy mistakes. That's how they win. Easier said than done though.
We have had 23 games to cut out the schoolboy mistakes and are no nearer to doing so, what make you think all will have been corrected this week in training? How many times have we heard from both of our managers how well everything is going on the practice ground and then match day, same old, same old! If we are lucky we might secure a draw against Brighton.
Quote from: WindyCity on January 23, 2019, 05:23:45 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 23, 2019, 03:08:38 PM
Quote from: Riversider on January 23, 2019, 03:10:24 AM
Our transfer action has to spring in to life today and tomorrow,
To do nothing is a clear statement that the club have already accepted their fate,
I would urge all supporters though not to hold their breath.
The club has been sleep walking for a while now. It would not surprise me that they never actually became proactive over recruitment until January 2nd, when the crack recruitment unit returned from their Christmas and New Year festivities from wherever they were on the planet, and rebooted their computers.
Disappointing if that was the case. That said, I'm not holding my breath for any late signing difference makers. The redball pickup was a good one, but this team needs defense more so than offense.
That is right, as there has been no indication that there has been any movement of incomings regarding rumours and activity.
So maybe it's the lull before the storm, and perhaps there maybe a late flurry which may be too little too late, and as you say defence is priority, and we really do need a centre back and full back minimum.
So unfortunately I shall not hold my breath either.
We came very close against Spurs and a similar performance against Brighton could just secure three points.
However, we really do need a couple of new proven players and to have those available for the Brighton game would be a tremendous boost. Needs to happen in the next couple of days though and there is no indication of anything happening.
I can't work out whether it's the alcholic mist or what but I agree with you DaveW. The main point is that we still cannot defend despite the fact that we brought in a defensive coach . That is after 23 games . We have improved , but the improvement has only been marginal and currently not enough to make us competitive. The worst of it is that most teams in the bottom half look a good deal better than we do. Sadly we will go down - we need to rebuild our style and the way we set ourselves up now. No time to waste and certainly no time to dither and be indecisive. Team and management building should begin ASAP
Quote from: davew on January 23, 2019, 05:59:25 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 23, 2019, 04:22:10 PM
I understand that you believe that we are not giving ourselves a good enough chance to survive by being so seemingly inactive in the transfer window
Well done you have understood his point!! No point me saying any more, as you and I disagree on almost everything on this forum! While all might seem rosy to you on what we do or don't do, most of us just go by results, performances and most importantly our league position or am I wearing rose tinted glasses? Our owner is not stupid, once bitten twice shy, why on earth would he invest more money in this window on a hopeless cause? Accept our fate this season (even if we don't like it) and look forward to next season in a league we should be able to compete in!
I think a monkey could understand his point, it wasn't very subtle. Too bad you missed my point however. Also, again out of curiosity, can you refer to me the posts in which I have expressed that everything seem rosy to me? Or is that yet another out of thin air assumption just because I try to point out that just maybe not everything has to be either black or white?
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 23, 2019, 08:50:55 PM
Quote from: davew on January 23, 2019, 05:59:25 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 23, 2019, 04:22:10 PM
I understand that you believe that we are not giving ourselves a good enough chance to survive by being so seemingly inactive in the transfer window
Well done you have understood his point!! No point me saying any more, as you and I disagree on almost everything on this forum! While all might seem rosy to you on what we do or don't do, most of us just go by results, performances and most importantly our league position or am I wearing rose tinted glasses? Our owner is not stupid, once bitten twice shy, why on earth would he invest more money in this window on a hopeless cause? Accept our fate this season (even if we don't like it) and look forward to next season in a league we should be able to compete in!
I think a monkey could understand his point, it wasn't very subtle. Too bad you missed my point however. Also, again out of curiosity, can you refer to me the posts in which I have expressed that everything seem rosy to me? Or is that yet another out of thin air assumption just because I try to point out that just maybe not everything has to be either black or white?
Apologies (sincere) if I misinterpreted your posting! I will reread the thread later or in the morning whichever is later (lol)! This forum is becoming a circus, but then maybe we are following the club's example! I would like to think that we all want the same thing, success for FFC, it doesn't matter how long a person has supported the club, whether they have always gone to all of the fixtures or some of them or in later life none of them but at least follow the club in whichever way they can! I am not going to go down memory lane about my association with FFC, you probably know it, all I do now is watch every match 1 way or another but not been able to go to the Cottage for many years for 1 reason or another. My passion has never diminished in the 65 years since I first watched Fulham, plenty on here can go back that far or further and we have all witnessed the ups and downs of the club! This season must go down (in my lifetime) as the most disappointing, great expectations after last seasons achievements, an owner prepared to spend money not just on strengthening our squad (lol) but also the stadium and it has all gone pear shaped!! Next season normality will be restored and we can return to watching our team compete, the Championship is a far better league to be in and to watch matches than the PL, which is too elitist now!
Quote from: davew on January 23, 2019, 09:25:58 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 23, 2019, 08:50:55 PM
Quote from: davew on January 23, 2019, 05:59:25 PM
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 23, 2019, 04:22:10 PM
I understand that you believe that we are not giving ourselves a good enough chance to survive by being so seemingly inactive in the transfer window
Well done you have understood his point!! No point me saying any more, as you and I disagree on almost everything on this forum! While all might seem rosy to you on what we do or don't do, most of us just go by results, performances and most importantly our league position or am I wearing rose tinted glasses? Our owner is not stupid, once bitten twice shy, why on earth would he invest more money in this window on a hopeless cause? Accept our fate this season (even if we don't like it) and look forward to next season in a league we should be able to compete in!
I think a monkey could understand his point, it wasn't very subtle. Too bad you missed my point however. Also, again out of curiosity, can you refer to me the posts in which I have expressed that everything seem rosy to me? Or is that yet another out of thin air assumption just because I try to point out that just maybe not everything has to be either black or white?
Apologies (sincere) if I misinterpreted your posting! I will reread the thread later or in the morning whichever is later (lol)! This forum is becoming a circus, but then maybe we are following the club's example! I would like to think that we all want the same thing, success for FFC, it doesn't matter how long a person has supported the club, whether they have always gone to all of the fixtures or some of them or in later life none of them but at least follow the club in whichever way they can! I am not going to go down memory lane about my association with FFC, you probably know it, all I do now is watch every match 1 way or another but not been able to go to the Cottage for many years for 1 reason or another. My passion has never diminished in the 65 years since I first watched Fulham, plenty on here can go back that far or further and we have all witnessed the ups and downs of the club! This season must go down (in my lifetime) as the most disappointing, great expectations after last seasons achievements, an owner prepared to spend money not just on strengthening our squad (lol) but also the stadium and it has all gone pear shaped!! Next season normality will be restored and we can return to watching our team compete, the Championship is a far better league to be in and to watch matches than the PL, which is too elitist now!
I have to agree with your comment Dave about the Premier League being elitist, which is orchestrated by Sky TV. He who pays the piper calls the tune.
It is no longer a level playing field, It hasn't been for quite a while now
Hi Dave,
I agree that we all want the same thing, which is success for Fulham FC. Cheers to that! 082.gif
Quote from: Sting of the North on January 24, 2019, 10:22:56 AM
Hi Dave,
I agree that we all want the same thing, which is success for Fulham FC. Cheers to that! 082.gif
Cheers!! (bit early in the day for me).
Brighton are not the best team in terms of skill but the operate as a team and play for each other until the very last kick of the game. I have seen them a few times this season and they never looked in the game for long periods but they did not lose and picked up wins where the other team was better on the pitch.
In my view we played about as well as we have all season against Tottenham but still looked like rabbits caught in the headlights when under pressure at times. We need self belief which I think will only now come from a few signings and grinding out a few wins, I don't think these players can do it on their own.
Quote from: Southdowns White on January 24, 2019, 11:22:05 AM
Brighton are not the best team in terms of skill but the operate as a team and play for each other until the very last kick of the game. I have seen them a few times this season and they never looked in the game for long periods but they did not lose and picked up wins where the other team was better on the pitch.
In my view we played about as well as we have all season against Tottenham but still looked like rabbits caught in the headlights when under pressure at times. We need self belief which I think will only now come from a few signings and grinding out a few wins, I don't think these players can do it on their own.
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Wooly: "I have to agree with your comment Dave about the Premier League being elitist, which is orchestrated by Sky TV. He who pays the piper calls the tune.
It is no longer a level playing field, It hasn't been for quite a while now"
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There may be some truth to that, but that doesn't mean we abandon hope and accept life in the Champ/League 1 either. Every once in awhile a Leicester comes along (yeah, blue moon, I know). I believe the "goal" heading into any new season is to win the PL, finish first in whatever league you happen to be in, no matter how unrealistic. Cracking the top 6 is a huge challenge, and seemingly not realistic for smaller/lesser clubs. But I want to see FFC succeed and find themselves in the PL as often as they possibly can. If we could see FFC somewhere (not talking about this year) 7 thru 10, I would think that all things considered, that would be an extremely successful season, almost a "championship season" of sorts, and would satisfy FFC supporters to a great degree.
Quote from: WindyCity on January 24, 2019, 05:19:06 PM
Wooly: "I have to agree with your comment Dave about the Premier League being elitist, which is orchestrated by Sky TV. He who pays the piper calls the tune.
It is no longer a level playing field, It hasn't been for quite a while now"
There may be some truth to that, but that doesn't mean we abandon hope and accept life in the Champ/League 1 either. Every once in awhile a Leicester comes along (yeah, blue moon, I know). I believe the "goal" heading into any new season is to win the PL, finish first in whatever league you happen to be in, no matter how unrealistic. Cracking the top 6 is a huge challenge, and seemingly not realistic for smaller/lesser clubs. But I want to see FFC succeed and find themselves in the PL as often as they possibly can. If we could see FFC somewhere (not talking about this year) 7 thru 10, I would think that all things considered, that would be an extremely successful season, almost a "championship season" of sorts, and would satisfy FFC supporters to a great degree.
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Yes WindyCity I agree with your sentiments and that's what we must aspire to, Sky TV or not.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on January 25, 2019, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: WindyCity on January 24, 2019, 05:19:06 PM
Wooly: "I have to agree with your comment Dave about the Premier League being elitist, which is orchestrated by Sky TV. He who pays the piper calls the tune.
It is no longer a level playing field, It hasn't been for quite a while now"
There may be some truth to that, but that doesn't mean we abandon hope and accept life in the Champ/League 1 either. Every once in awhile a Leicester comes along (yeah, blue moon, I know). I believe the "goal" heading into any new season is to win the PL, finish first in whatever league you happen to be in, no matter how unrealistic. Cracking the top 6 is a huge challenge, and seemingly not realistic for smaller/lesser clubs. But I want to see FFC succeed and find themselves in the PL as often as they possibly can. If we could see FFC somewhere (not talking about this year) 7 thru 10, I would think that all things considered, that would be an extremely successful season, almost a "championship season" of sorts, and would satisfy FFC supporters to a great degree.
Yes WindyCity I agree with your sentiments and that's what we must aspire to, Sky TV or not.
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we were just about there with MF and went backwards with Khan. I see no reason we cannot be a long term prem team from where we are today and retain our place consistently. But it needs a bit more imagination and professionalism than leaving a totally inexperienced and now absent youngster as director of football in charge of recruitment. MAF got Keegan, we have got an amateur that paints by numbers and it isn't a work of art.
Quote from: HV71 on January 23, 2019, 08:34:40 PM
I can't work out whether it's the alcholic mist or what but I agree with you DaveW. The main point is that we still cannot defend despite the fact that we brought in a defensive coach . That is after 23 games . We have improved , but the improvement has only been marginal and currently not enough to make us competitive. The worst of it is that most teams in the bottom half look a good deal better than we do. Sadly we will go down - we need to rebuild our style and the way we set ourselves up now. No time to waste and certainly no time to dither and be indecisive. Team and management building should begin ASAP
the same defensive coach that was bought in as a player to anchor our team 😂 how many goals did we let in after jol signed him
That's that then,too late for us to get a defender in time to play Brighton,so that's 3 January games gone.
Don't give me this nonsense the club are doing this and that,they've known since November our defense is no good,plenty time to have had deals ready for Jan 1st...
Think they've accepted like most that we're already down.😢
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on January 26, 2019, 07:36:43 AM
That's that then,too late for us to get a defender in time to play Brighton,so that's 3 January games gone.
Don't give me this nonsense the club are doing this and that,they've known since November our defense is no good,plenty time to have had deals ready for Jan 1st...
Think they've accepted like most that we're already down.😢
Whether they think we are down or not, they have still let us down. 🆘
A well organized defensive unit that clogs the middle of the pitch is going to trouble Brighton. WBA doing exactly that and pouncing on counters. Brighton love running at the defence, so I'm curious how they're going to approach against our defensive stand. We can't isolate Mitro though or it will be a difficult night.
Can definitely see why WBA need the likes of Johansen and Kamara. They move the ball nicely, but final ball struggling. Also, Dan Burn looked brilliant. Go figure.
The players definitely don't look like they've accepted relegation, with their battling performances at Burnley and against Spurs, nor does the manager seem to have accepted this.
WE have a chance against Brighton, if we play like we did against Spurs in the first half. Maybe we 'll have a bit of good fortune, and ref decisions going our way, for a change.
We must not leave Glenn Murray unmarked in our penalty area. Or give away a penalty.
