and get rid of Ranieri with a couple of games left in the PL. Let's see what he can do with a few quid behind him.
I will pass on this one. He is mentally knackered having fought two relegation battles. I want a winner , not a loser.
The lad and his brother at Lincoln.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 02, 2019, 06:10:21 PM
The lad and his brother at Lincoln.
No experience at Championship level.
Quote from: grandad on February 02, 2019, 06:04:16 PM
I will pass on this one. He is mentally knackered having fought two relegation battles. I want a winner , not a loser.
We'll all be mentally knackered after this season mate.
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 02, 2019, 06:10:21 PM
The lad and his brother at Lincoln.
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Thought this was a bit left field. Done well at lower levels though, who knows if he could do it at a higher level.
Gary Rowett's free and, at the very least, would absolutely ensure we don't suffer the double relegation some on here are already predicting, as he more than knows his way around the Championship. Might even instil a bit of fight for the rest of this season.
Quote from: grandad on February 02, 2019, 06:04:16 PM
I will pass on this one. He is mentally knackered having fought two relegation battles. I want a winner , not a loser.
He may be mentally knackered but, I don't feel he's a loser. Feel Huddersfield (Fulham as well) would have been well solidified and in a safe position with him at the helm had he had the budget given to TK and Slavisa.
Hughton may be available soon, he'd get us back up I reckon
we need a bigger plan up next. A Director of Football, a Head Coach with drive, passion and under fifty, a team of specialists so that we can pass and shoot and of course TK stays away. He will still have his fans on here but there is no escaping the fact that if any of us performed at his level we would be up the road by now.
We missed a trick with Ralph at Southampton but somebody similar for me.
Think Ali Mac's tenure has run its course as well.
I feel Wagner would be really good for us coming in in May with plenty of time to recruit.
This would be a sensible choice but with TK in charge would be unlikely to happen, and even if it did DW would not be allowed to bring his players in.
The best way forward is to remove TK from his current job, more than any other he is stopping us from progressing.
I'd be happy with Wagner. Got to start giving the managers more say on transfers though. (I'm not against using stats)
Wagner the manager who got promoted with a negative goal difference, no thanks
Quote from: Nero on February 02, 2019, 07:22:24 PM
Wagner the manager who got promoted with a negative goal difference, no thanks
With a squad and budget that should have been looking at a relegation battle... And then kept them up with by far the lowest budget in the league. All the time playing food football with a clear sense of direction.
That, with a decent budget to assemble a decent squad? Yes please.
Quote from: Nero on February 02, 2019, 07:22:24 PM
Wagner the manager who got promoted with a negative goal difference, no thanks
Totally agree.
Couldn't agree more. Get him in now and start developing a philosophy again. With Cardiff winning tonight we really are in dire straits now. Personally I'm fed up of being fed up due to Fulham. I'm going to give it a break on here and only bother posting on match day until the end of the season.
I can't take any more weekends being ruined!
Quote from: Nero on February 02, 2019, 07:22:24 PM
Wagner the manager who got promoted with a negative goal difference, no thanks
Agree
They were rubbish and didnt deserve to go up or stay up
Sooo much worse than us under Jokanovic, hence we absolutely spanked them when we played them
Id go for nigel clough or brendan rodgers
Quote from: The Old Count on February 02, 2019, 06:20:43 PM
Quote from: grandad on February 02, 2019, 06:04:16 PM
I will pass on this one. He is mentally knackered having fought two relegation battles. I want a winner , not a loser.
We'll all be mentally knackered after this season mate.
Even Robert Wagner could do better than this.
I'd hoping Brighton sack Hughton and we get him in to be honest.
Quote from: Wingnut on February 02, 2019, 06:16:32 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 02, 2019, 06:10:21 PM
The lad and his brother at Lincoln.
No experience at Championship level.
Then statistically they have never done a bad job!!
Quote from: FFC1987 on February 02, 2019, 08:13:39 PM
I'd hoping Brighton sack Hughton and we get him in to be honest.
I wish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Quote from: Wingnut on February 02, 2019, 06:16:32 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 02, 2019, 06:10:21 PM
The lad and his brother at Lincoln.
No experience at Championship level.
Then statistically they have never done a bad job!!
They won't be leaving Lincoln, they consider it to be a project to which they are 100% comitted. The intention is to be in the Championship within 3 years.
Quote from: Ara's bacon crisps on February 02, 2019, 06:31:16 PM
Gary Rowett's free and, at the very least, would absolutely ensure we don't suffer the double relegation some on here are already predicting, as he more than knows his way around the Championship. Might even instil a bit of fight for the rest of this season.
Your joking,hated at Derby and Stoke for boring football, hence dumped by both.
Quote from: elgreenio on February 02, 2019, 06:51:52 PM
Hughton may be available soon, he'd get us back up I reckon
What makes you think Hughton might be available soon???? I'd happily have him but think he'll be at Brighton for a while yet.
Player recruitment is the root cause of our predicament not our current or previouse manager.
Hughton knows you cannot polish a turd and he will have offers from other and more talented Football club owners. Why would he want to destroy a decent looking cv with a spell at Fulham under TK ?
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 03, 2019, 08:00:27 AM
Quote from: Ara's bacon crisps on February 02, 2019, 06:31:16 PM
Gary Rowett's free and, at the very least, would absolutely ensure we don't suffer the double relegation some on here are already predicting, as he more than knows his way around the Championship. Might even instil a bit of fight for the rest of this season.
Your joking,hated at Derby and Stoke for boring football, hence dumped by both.
But loved at Burton and Birmingham. I wouldn't say he's the ideal choice, but I doubt we'd fall straight through the Championship with him, even if the football wasn't the most entertaining. Think it's about steadying the ship first - even Slav struggled with that when he first arrived. Plus he's available, so we wouldn't have to spend weeks prising him out of a job, as we did with Slav.
As someone above said, the Cowleys might be good, but they're on a mission at Lincoln and unlikely to leave and we really need someone who can manage the Championship and deal with a bunch of players (those who are left) whose heads will still be in the Premiership and not ready for the Championship and will be 18th after 10 games if someone doesn't get a grip of them.
Personally, I'd also give Stuart Gray a go if we can persuade him - shore up the defence and use the wonderful talent idling in our Academy - Steven Sess, O'Riley, Fossey, de la Torre etc., but I doubt those in charge are thinking that progressively.
If the Cowleys are unavailable, who else do you think we should look at? Lee Johnson, Alex Neil, Gary Monk are other established above average Championship managers that spring to mind, but none completely set the pulse racing.
Quote from: davew on February 02, 2019, 08:17:25 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on February 02, 2019, 08:13:39 PM
I'd hoping Brighton sack Hughton and we get him in to be honest.
I wish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When we were looking for a new manager a few seasons ago Hughtons name was mentioned, just before he went to Brighton, but many on FoF did not want him. Oh hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Quote from: Ara's bacon crisps on February 03, 2019, 01:11:56 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 03, 2019, 08:00:27 AM
Quote from: Ara's bacon crisps on February 02, 2019, 06:31:16 PM
Gary Rowett's free and, at the very least, would absolutely ensure we don't suffer the double relegation some on here are already predicting, as he more than knows his way around the Championship. Might even instil a bit of fight for the rest of this season.
Your joking,hated at Derby and Stoke for boring football, hence dumped by both.
But loved at Burton and Birmingham. I wouldn't say he's the ideal choice, but I doubt we'd fall straight through the Championship with him, even if the football wasn't the most entertaining. Think it's about steadying the ship first - even Slav struggled with that when he first arrived. Plus he's available, so we wouldn't have to spend weeks prising him out of a job, as we did with Slav.
As someone above said, the Cowleys might be good, but they're on a mission at Lincoln and unlikely to leave and we really need someone who can manage the Championship and deal with a bunch of players (those who are left) whose heads will still be in the Premiership and not ready for the Championship and will be 18th after 10 games if someone doesn't get a grip of them.
Personally, I'd also give Stuart Gray a go if we can persuade him - shore up the defence and use the wonderful talent idling in our Academy - Steven Sess, O'Riley, Fossey, de la Torre etc., but I doubt those in charge are thinking that progressively.
If the Cowleys are unavailable, who else do you think we should look at? Lee Johnson, Alex Neil, Gary Monk are other established above average Championship managers that spring to mind, but none completely set the pulse racing.
And even eighteenth may be wishful thinking. I think the first thing that needs to be done prior to another management change is to sort out recruitment and the business side of FFC, and then work through all the essential other changes that must take place to get us forming a 'united team' once more.
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Quote from: Ara's bacon crisps on February 03, 2019, 01:11:56 PM
Quote from: Mince n Tatties on February 03, 2019, 08:00:27 AM
Quote from: Ara's bacon crisps on February 02, 2019, 06:31:16 PM
Gary Rowett's free and, at the very least, would absolutely ensure we don't suffer the double relegation some on here are already predicting, as he more than knows his way around the Championship. Might even instil a bit of fight for the rest of this season.
Your joking,hated at Derby and Stoke for boring football, hence dumped by both.
But loved at Burton and Birmingham. I wouldn't say he's the ideal choice, but I doubt we'd fall straight through the Championship with him, even if the football wasn't the most entertaining. Think it's about steadying the ship first - even Slav struggled with that when he first arrived. Plus he's available, so we wouldn't have to spend weeks prising him out of a job, as we did with Slav.
As someone above said, the Cowleys might be good, but they're on a mission at Lincoln and unlikely to leave and we really need someone who can manage the Championship and deal with a bunch of players (those who are left) whose heads will still be in the Premiership and not ready for the Championship and will be 18th after 10 games if someone doesn't get a grip of them.
Personally, I'd also give Stuart Gray a go if we can persuade him - shore up the defence and use the wonderful talent idling in our Academy - Steven Sess, O'Riley, Fossey, de la Torre etc., but I doubt those in charge are thinking that progressively.
If the Cowleys are unavailable, who else do you think we should look at? Lee Johnson, Alex Neil, Gary Monk are other established above average Championship managers that spring to mind, but none completely set the pulse racing.
And even eighteenth may be wishful thinking. I think the first thing that needs to be done prior to another management change is to sort out recruitment and the business side of FFC, and then work through all the essential other changes that must take place to get us forming a 'united team' once more.
Haha - I was being optimistic about 18th, but you're dead right - the thing that constantly baffles me is how the grassroots and Academy side of the club can seem so well sorted, yet the rest of it seems to veer between boom and bust so easily and quickly.
A clear identity, a united front from top to bottom, a long term plan, succession planning, clear recruitment plans (and coherent reasons for them) are all things any good business would automatically have in place, but it just looks like lurching from one crisis to the next at the moment. Markovic may turn out to be the second coming of Clint Dempsey, but was he on any plan the club had until about 10pm last Thursday?
Gary rowett.
Stuart grey was at the fulham brighton game
Quote from: JoelH5 on February 02, 2019, 07:33:06 PM
Couldn't agree more. Get him in now and start developing a philosophy again. With Cardiff winning tonight we really are in dire straits now. Personally I'm fed up of being fed up due to Fulham. I'm going to give it a break on here and only bother posting on match day until the end of the season.
I can't take any more weekends being ruined!
Quote from: JoelH5 on February 02, 2019, 07:33:06 PM
Couldn't agree more. Get him in now and start developing a philosophy again. With Cardiff winning tonight we really are in dire straits now. Personally I'm fed up of being fed up due to Fulham. I'm going to give it a break on here and only bother posting on match day until the end of the season.
I can't take any more weekends being ruined!
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on February 02, 2019, 07:31:36 PM
Quote from: Nero on February 02, 2019, 07:22:24 PM
Wagner the manager who got promoted with a negative goal difference, no thanks
Totally agree.
We beat them 9-1 over the 2 games in their promotion season, 5-0 at home and 4-1 away. Thought their promotion was a fluke, they must be bad this year being below us and having scored only 5 goals from open play all year. So not Wagner for me.
Quote from: res on February 03, 2019, 04:26:25 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on February 02, 2019, 07:33:06 PM
Couldn't agree more. Get him in now and start developing a philosophy again. With Cardiff winning tonight we really are in dire straits now. Personally I'm fed up of being fed up due to Fulham. I'm going to give it a break on here and only bother posting on match day until the end of the season.
I can't take any more weekends being ruined!
Quote from: JoelH5 on February 02, 2019, 07:33:06 PM
Couldn't agree more. Get him in now and start developing a philosophy again. With Cardiff winning tonight we really are in dire straits now. Personally I'm fed up of being fed up due to Fulham. I'm going to give it a break on here and only bother posting on match day until the end of the season.
I can't take any more weekends being ruined!
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on February 02, 2019, 07:31:36 PM
Quote from: Nero on February 02, 2019, 07:22:24 PM
Wagner the manager who got promoted with a negative goal difference, no thanks
Totally agree.
We beat them 9-1 over the 2 games in their promotion season, 5-0 at home and 4-1 away. Thought their promotion was a fluke, they must be bad this year being below us and having scored only 5 goals from open play all year. So not Wagner for me.
With them having spent very little money in the last few seasons unlike us. As I said: maybe we should see what he could do with a few quid behind him.
Quote from: The Old Count on February 03, 2019, 09:17:06 PM
Quote from: res on February 03, 2019, 04:26:25 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on February 02, 2019, 07:33:06 PM
Couldn't agree more. Get him in now and start developing a philosophy again. With Cardiff winning tonight we really are in dire straits now. Personally I'm fed up of being fed up due to Fulham. I'm going to give it a break on here and only bother posting on match day until the end of the season.
I can't take any more weekends being ruined!
Quote from: JoelH5 on February 02, 2019, 07:33:06 PM
Couldn't agree more. Get him in now and start developing a philosophy again. With Cardiff winning tonight we really are in dire straits now. Personally I'm fed up of being fed up due to Fulham. I'm going to give it a break on here and only bother posting on match day until the end of the season.
I can't take any more weekends being ruined!
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on February 02, 2019, 07:31:36 PM
Quote from: Nero on February 02, 2019, 07:22:24 PM
Wagner the manager who got promoted with a negative goal difference, no thanks
Totally agree.
We beat them 9-1 over the 2 games in their promotion season, 5-0 at home and 4-1 away. Thought their promotion was a fluke, they must be bad this year being below us and having scored only 5 goals from open play all year. So not Wagner for me.
With them having spent very little money in the last few seasons unlike us. As I said: maybe we should see what he could do with a few quid behind him.
Theyve spent about 80m since being in the Premier League
Quote from: Nero on February 03, 2019, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: The Old Count on February 03, 2019, 09:17:06 PM
Quote from: res on February 03, 2019, 04:26:25 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on February 02, 2019, 07:33:06 PM
Couldn't agree more. Get him in now and start developing a philosophy again. With Cardiff winning tonight we really are in dire straits now. Personally I'm fed up of being fed up due to Fulham. I'm going to give it a break on here and only bother posting on match day until the end of the season.
I can't take any more weekends being ruined!
Quote from: JoelH5 on February 02, 2019, 07:33:06 PM
Couldn't agree more. Get him in now and start developing a philosophy again. With Cardiff winning tonight we really are in dire straits now. Personally I'm fed up of being fed up due to Fulham. I'm going to give it a break on here and only bother posting on match day until the end of the season.
I can't take any more weekends being ruined!
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on February 02, 2019, 07:31:36 PM
Quote from: Nero on February 02, 2019, 07:22:24 PM
Wagner the manager who got promoted with a negative goal difference, no thanks
Totally agree.
We beat them 9-1 over the 2 games in their promotion season, 5-0 at home and 4-1 away. Thought their promotion was a fluke, they must be bad this year being below us and having scored only 5 goals from open play all year. So not Wagner for me.
With them having spent very little money in the last few seasons unlike us. As I said: maybe we should see what he could do with a few quid behind him.
Theyve spent about 80m since being in the Premier League
Total net spend of 38 milion euros according to TransferMarket.
Far, far superior manager to Jokanovic. Have him 100%.
Quote from: Statto on February 02, 2019, 07:33:37 PM
Quote from: Nero on February 02, 2019, 07:22:24 PM
Wagner the manager who got promoted with a negative goal difference, no thanks
Agree
They were rubbish and didnt deserve to go up or stay up
Sooo much worse than us under Jokanovic, hence we absolutely spanked them when we played them
A lie. They managed to survive their 1st season.
Quote from: The Old Count on February 03, 2019, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: Nero on February 03, 2019, 10:07:53 PM
Quote from: The Old Count on February 03, 2019, 09:17:06 PM
Quote from: res on February 03, 2019, 04:26:25 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on February 02, 2019, 07:33:06 PM
Couldn't agree more. Get him in now and start developing a philosophy again. With Cardiff winning tonight we really are in dire straits now. Personally I'm fed up of being fed up due to Fulham. I'm going to give it a break on here and only bother posting on match day until the end of the season.
I can't take any more weekends being ruined!
Quote from: JoelH5 on February 02, 2019, 07:33:06 PM
Couldn't agree more. Get him in now and start developing a philosophy again. With Cardiff winning tonight we really are in dire straits now. Personally I'm fed up of being fed up due to Fulham. I'm going to give it a break on here and only bother posting on match day until the end of the season.
I can't take any more weekends being ruined!
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on February 02, 2019, 07:31:36 PM
Quote from: Nero on February 02, 2019, 07:22:24 PM
Wagner the manager who got promoted with a negative goal difference, no thanks
Totally agree.
We beat them 9-1 over the 2 games in their promotion season, 5-0 at home and 4-1 away. Thought their promotion was a fluke, they must be bad this year being below us and having scored only 5 goals from open play all year. So not Wagner for me.
With them having spent very little money in the last few seasons unlike us. As I said: maybe we should see what he could do with a few quid behind him.
Theyve spent about 80m since being in the Premier League
Total net spend of 38 milion euros according to TransferMarket.
I'd double check that. I am looking at it now and it has them spending over Eur 100m and only significant sales are Wells and Ince. Think Nero is spot on
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 10:42:34 PM
Quote from: Statto on February 02, 2019, 07:33:37 PM
Quote from: Nero on February 02, 2019, 07:22:24 PM
Wagner the manager who got promoted with a negative goal difference, no thanks
Agree
They were rubbish and didnt deserve to go up or stay up
Sooo much worse than us under Jokanovic, hence we absolutely spanked them when we played them
A lie. They managed to survive their 1st season.
Dont call me a liar please tw@t. I know they stayed up their first season. But they were sh1te for most of it and scraped through with 37pts, thanks to a good August.
Quote from: Statto on February 03, 2019, 10:45:02 PM
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Quote from: Statto on February 02, 2019, 07:33:37 PM
Quote from: Nero on February 02, 2019, 07:22:24 PM
Wagner the manager who got promoted with a negative goal difference, no thanks
Agree
They were rubbish and didnt deserve to go up or stay up
Sooo much worse than us under Jokanovic, hence we absolutely spanked them when we played them
A lie. They managed to survive their 1st season.
Dont call me a liar please tw@t. I know they stayed up their first season. But they were sh1te for most of it and scraped through with 37pts, thanks to a good August.
And we're going down with a lower points total. They also got promoted in less time, with a far worse side. Grow up.
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Wagner will be disappointed when he's told we have to sell Mitro.
:Get Coat gif:
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Quote from: Statto on February 03, 2019, 10:45:02 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 10:42:34 PM
Quote from: Statto on February 02, 2019, 07:33:37 PM
Quote from: Nero on February 02, 2019, 07:22:24 PM
Wagner the manager who got promoted with a negative goal difference, no thanks
Agree
They were rubbish and didnt deserve to go up or stay up
Sooo much worse than us under Jokanovic, hence we absolutely spanked them when we played them
A lie. They managed to survive their 1st season.
Dont call me a liar please tw@t. I know they stayed up their first season. But they were sh1te for most of it and scraped through with 37pts, thanks to a good August.
And we're going down with a lower points total. They also got promoted in less time, with a far worse side. Grow up.
They had Wells and Kachunga up front when we had Chris Martin in 16/17 so I'd query how much worse that team was than ours. And they only got one more point than us that year, when as others have said, we beat them 9-1 over two games. The following year we went went up with substantially more points than that, and of course we'll also get more points than them this season, despite them spending £80m+ and having an extra year to build a team.
Jokanovic > Wagner
Goodnight
Quote from: Statto on February 03, 2019, 11:03:06 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 10:47:30 PM
Quote from: Statto on February 03, 2019, 10:45:02 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 10:42:34 PM
Quote from: Statto on February 02, 2019, 07:33:37 PM
Quote from: Nero on February 02, 2019, 07:22:24 PM
Wagner the manager who got promoted with a negative goal difference, no thanks
Agree
They were rubbish and didnt deserve to go up or stay up
Sooo much worse than us under Jokanovic, hence we absolutely spanked them when we played them
A lie. They managed to survive their 1st season.
Dont call me a liar please tw@t. I know they stayed up their first season. But they were sh1te for most of it and scraped through with 37pts, thanks to a good August.
And we're going down with a lower points total. They also got promoted in less time, with a far worse side. Grow up.
They had Wells and Kachunga up front when we had Chris Martin in 16/17 so I'd query how much worse that team was than ours. And they only got one more point than us that year, when as others have said, we beat them 9-1 over two games. The following year we went went up with substantially more points than that, and of course we'll also get more points than them this season, despite them spending £80m+ and having an extra year to build a team.
Jokanovic > Wagner
Goodnight
Jokanovic had a PL record of 0.4 points per PL game.
Wagner had a PL record of 0.8 points per PL game.
Chris Martin, along with Kalas, McDonald, Johansen, Cairney, Aluko and Sessegnon.
We went up with substantially more points, via the same Playoff method.
We beat them 9-1 over 2 years ago. They beat us 2.5 months ago.
We spent 100m, and Jokanovic neglected 2 of our best players.
Jokanovic was sacked. Wagner resigned.
1 has tasted PL survival. 1 hasn't.
Wagner > Jokanovic.
Goodnight.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 11:12:50 PM
Jokanovic had a PL record of 0.4 points per PL game.
Wagner had a PL record of 0.8 points per PL game.
Sample size of 12 games? Get some brains pls.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 11:12:50 PM
Chris Martin, along with Kalas, McDonald, Johansen, Cairney, Aluko and Sessegnon.
Only one of the players you mentioned is getting regular PL football. Not really sure how this is supposed to support your argument.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 11:12:50 PM
We went up with substantially more points
Now you're just repeating my points back to me :doh:
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 11:12:50 PM
We beat them 9-1 over 2 years ago. They beat us 2.5 months ago.
And we beat them 1 month ago.
Oh and 9-1 is better than 1-0.
Again I'm not sure how this supports your argument.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 11:12:50 PM
We spent 100m, and Jokanovic neglected 2 of our best players.
And they spent £80m. We're going round in circles here.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 11:12:50 PM
Jokanovic was sacked. Wagner resigned.
He resigned when they were bottom with 1 point from their last 10 games. Come on mate you're having a laugh now.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 11:12:50 PM
1 has tasted PL survival. 1 hasn't.
Yep, again, we know that part.
Quote from: Statto on February 03, 2019, 11:26:40 PM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 11:12:50 PM
Jokanovic had a PL record of 0.4 points per PL game.
Wagner had a PL record of 0.8 points per PL game.
Sample size of 12 games? Get some brains pls.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 11:12:50 PM
Chris Martin, along with Kalas, McDonald, Johansen, Cairney, Aluko and Sessegnon.
Only one of the players you mentioned is getting regular PL football. Not really sure how this is supposed to support your argument.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 11:12:50 PM
We went up with substantially more points
Now you're just repeating my points back to me :doh:
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 11:12:50 PM
We beat them 9-1 over 2 years ago. They beat us 2.5 months ago.
And we beat them 1 month ago.
Oh and 9-1 is better than 1-0.
Again I'm not sure how this supports your argument.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 11:12:50 PM
We spent 100m, and Jokanovic neglected 2 of our best players.
And they spent £80m. We're going round in circles here.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 11:12:50 PM
Jokanovic was sacked. Wagner resigned.
He resigned when they were bottom with 1 point from their last 10 games. Come on mate you're having a laugh now.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 11:12:50 PM
1 has tasted PL survival. 1 hasn't.
Yep, again, we know that part.
It's Jokanovic's fault he only had a sample size of 12 games.
This famously poor Huddersfield side still beat us.
Substantially more points removed from the context that I stated if in.
We spent MORE money than them across 1 season instead of 2.
So you agree that Jokanovic failed as a PL manager? As he could only last 12 games.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 10:41:42 PM
Far, far superior manager to Jokanovic. Have him 100%.
Your running squabble with Statto is not my business but I really can't see how you can argue that SJ is a lesser talent than Wagner. SJ develops a far more attractive and ambitious playing style. One that, with the right personnel, has the potential to succeed at the highest level. You couldn't say that for Huddersfield's style under Wagner, no matter who they might have bought or how much they might have spent (even in some fantasy dreamland). I am not diminishing his achievements but, better than SJ? No way.
I would agree that Jokanovic is better than Wagner. I think that much is clear (certainly potential wise, given that there isn't really a fair measure to compare them on), the problem is... Thanks to the Khans and the doughnuts in our fanbase (and on here) who called for his head after 12 games with a team of strangers (and the same ridiculous defence that we now have confirmed beyond all doubt as being far from good enough at the level), is he won't come back. Of course he won't. No chance.
So we have to put him to one side and look beyond. Who else? I, for one, would not be against Wagner. Certainly above Bruce and all the usual suspects.
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 04, 2019, 07:30:51 AM
It's Jokanovic's fault he only had a sample size of 12 games.
This famously poor Huddersfield side still beat us.
Substantially more points removed from the context that I stated if in.
We spent MORE money than them across 1 season instead of 2.
So you agree that Jokanovic failed as a PL manager? As he could only last 12 games.
I suspect no amount of facts or persuasion will change your view on whether Huddersfield had a much worse squad than us in the Championship, whether £100m vs £80m is a substantial difference, whether it is significant that Wagner resigned before he got sacked, whether 12 games is a useful sample size and so on. So I won't go there anymore.
One thing I will concede is that in the 3 seasons they've been in the same division, their points records are broadly similar.
In head to head matches by my count they've played each other 5 times, with 3 wins for Fulham, 1 win for Huddersfield and 1 draw, and an aggregate score of 11-3 to Fulham.
Quote from: Twig on February 04, 2019, 09:03:58 AM
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 03, 2019, 10:41:42 PM
Far, far superior manager to Jokanovic. Have him 100%.
Your running squabble with Statto is not my business but I really can't see how you can argue that SJ is a lesser talent than Wagner. SJ develops a far more attractive and ambitious playing style. One that, with the right personnel, has the potential to succeed at the highest level. You couldn't say that for Huddersfield's style under Wagner, no matter who they might have bought or how much they might have spent (even in some fantasy dreamland). I am not diminishing his achievements but, better than SJ? No way.
Top post of the day so far + 1 from me !
Quote from: Facts Not Fiction on February 04, 2019, 07:30:51 AM
It's Jokanovic's fault he only had a sample size of 12 games.
This famously poor Huddersfield side still beat us.
Substantially more points removed from the context that I stated if in.
We spent MORE money than them across 1 season instead of 2.
So you agree that Jokanovic failed as a PL manager? As he could only last 12 games.
A) I preferred you before your 'current avatar' which is, of itself, a complete untruth.
B) Wagner resigned under mutual consent saying he needed a 'break from football'. He offered his employer what remained of the season but they agreed that there were strong personal reasons for the break. He wasn't sacked.
C) Jokanovic was sacked when his PPG record was not much different from that when he first arrived. At that stage he was slightly less successful than Symons, but we all know how his PPG changed in the two full seasons he had. Ranieri's PPG is not much better than SJ's in the PL either and certainly nowhere near enough to stop relegation. Does that suggest the team might be a disaster looking for a manager to happen or would you prefer to twist it around in your usual fashion to suit your own opinion?
D) I'd prefer Jokanovic as a manager to Ranieri or Wagner simply because he is a better coach than either of the others.
Between Joka and Wagner I'd choose Joka - no brainer. But Joka won't come back.
What about Roy and Ray after they leave Palace at the end of the season??
Quote from: KJS on February 04, 2019, 05:50:05 PM
What about Roy and Ray after they leave Palace at the end of the season??
Works for me
