Usual load of garbage. Tried to sping spending zero money in January as a positive becuase we didn't sell anyone to China.
clear he doesn't watch the games based on the below.
The task we face in the months ahead speaks for itself. No one here at Motspur Park is happy being near the very foot of the table, and it's the last thing we wanted or expected for our faithful supporters. But, no one is accepting our position today to be our destiny. I certainly am not for many reasons, but first and foremost simply because I believe in Claudio and the calibre of players in this squad. And of the two options in front of us - to concede or compete - the only answer is to compete.
We could have conceded and been sellers in January. To that point, after investing more than £100m in the summer in a clear mission to compete, we stayed loyal to our commitment by turning down more than £100m in January to sell players to clubs in Europe as well as in China. Why? Because we wanted to give this squad every opportunity to compete, to show the fight I know is inside them and be the ones we'll remember making a dramatic and successful late run to safety.
It's been a difficult campaign thus far, with our fate at times being downright cruel. However, Fulham is far from the only club in football bitten by bad luck, so it's incumbent upon us to reverse our fortunes, as we did in the second half at home to Brighton & Hove Albion. That result wasn't an accident, but rather the result of a fierce response that followed one of our poorer first halves of the season. If you were there, you know we could have scored five, six or even seven goals in the final 45 minutes. We were brilliant.
And, if you were there, each of you earned Man or Woman of the Match honours. Down two goals at the break, rather than greeting your team with indifference or contempt as may have happened with home crowds elsewhere, you brought immediate and much-needed energy and noise that literally willed us to a win. I do not exaggerate here - you supported us, stood with us and stuck with us, and that transferred mightily to our performance and three points earned. It was massive fun for everyone, and I am going to ask you to repeat that effort, home and away, over each of the 13 matches ahead, starting in our fixture against Manchester United that will enjoy a national and global television audience. Fulham is celebrated throughout the world for its civility and class, but that doesn't mean our supporters shouldn't raise the roof for 90-plus minutes every week. Let's show the world, and our team, that our players and our supporters are up for the fight.
Wow, So they want to give the squad that can not compete the chance to compete. Id rather they just said thatvthey messed up and we are where we are. How ridiculous does it sound to say we want to give the squad the chance to compete when everyman and his dog knows that they can't.
AT LAST
The mighty leader has spoken
and the first two paragraphs on the official websites fills me with a sense of total dismay and gloom.
I have trust in CR is what he says. Hew is in a minority of one.
We have a good squad, again he is in a minority of one
no mention of backing the manager when he said he needed a leader and that not happening or TK;s total incompetence in bringing in a fit defence.
We are destined for a long spell in the lower leagues Mr Khan just does not get it and that bit of PR was frankly an insult for the effort we put in supporting.
He makes mention of the brilliant effort in the second half against brighton, but nothing about CR rancid team selection that guaranteed defeat at palace.
This is very very depressing. I can hardly wait that will accompany his comments for season ticket renewal. It will surely be a work of fiction no doubt to rival Shakespeare and dickens.
So our current position is mainly down to, erm, bad luck!?
Nothing to do with an unbalanced squad, lack of depth, lack of management, etc etc etc
Glad he's put me straight on that!
Just surprised no mention of season ticket renewal...... 😏
This PR rubbish the same day they advertise a £65 special kit! Talk about an own goal. £100m... hmmm 5 offers of £20m for Mitro equals that. Imagine if we had sold Mitro and brought no one in...
Quote from: TheGreatGatsby on February 08, 2019, 03:44:10 PM
This PR rubbish the same day they advertise a £65 special kit! Talk about an own goal. £100m... hmmm 5 offers of £20m for Mitro equals that. Imagine if we had sold Mitro and brought no one in...
According to Khan we should be pathetically pleased we didn't exactly that.
What a load of PR garbage. Totally pointless and insults the intelligence of us as supporters. What does he think he is running, a car spares company?
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Talk about wringing as much PR as you can out of a fortuitous forty five minutes spell against one of the most hopeless teams we have faced this season in a second half of football. I'm afraid neither of the Khans have a clue what ordinary supporters want and demand from their owners which is something resembling a competitive squad, a competent coach, and a plan from the top that was crystal clear from the moment the last season ended at Wembley. I'd like him to vow to shave off all his facial hair and offer free season tickets to all supporters if we go down. At least that may signify he means business.
That is the worst attempt I have seen at a Jedi mind trick in a long time.
Try again Khan. I agree with Ben - why not just admit failure? It's clear they are in WAY over their heads!
Quote from: Twig on February 08, 2019, 04:03:51 PM
What a load of PR garbage. Totally pointless and insults the intelligence of us as supporters. What does he think he is running, a car spares company?
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Quote from: toshes mate on February 08, 2019, 05:02:36 PM
Talk about wringing as much PR as you can out of a fortuitous forty five minutes spell against one of the most hopeless teams we have faced this season in a second half of football. I'm afraid neither of the Khans have a clue what ordinary supporters want and demand from their owners which is something resembling a competitive squad, a competent coach, and a plan from the top that was crystal clear from the moment the last season ended at Wembley. I'd like him to vow to shave off all his facial hair and offer free season tickets to all supporters if we go down. At least that may signify he means business.
And make him look younger!!
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Quote from: Twig on February 08, 2019, 04:03:51 PM
What a load of PR garbage. Totally pointless and insults the intelligence of us as supporters. What does he think he is running, a car spares company?
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What a load of tosh...Insulting us fans it is in a way.
In view of the fact that our squad is not at all suited to the coaches tactics has it occured to the chairman that it may have been wise to sell certain player, for whom he says he had valuable offers, in the winter window and replace them with more suitable players.
Usually I never like to see good players leave but right now some of our players are just not right for our Coach and his tactics and something needs to change. An opportunity was missed in the Winter Window.
Never trust a man with a Moustache 051
I cannot comprehend how dumb he must think we all are.
But how condescending is that, talking to us as though we need educating about English Football and it's supporters.
I would imagine that every member of this forum has forgotten more about English Football than the Khans will ever learn.
I find it insulting that he thinks that by not taking any responsibility whatsoever for him and his sons incompetence, negligence and inefficiency shows that they think we will swallow their flannel.
They are seriously out of their depth, and are looking to blame everything else from bad luck to even more bad luck.
If the pair of them really genuinely cared, they would have ensured that by acting well in advance, before the January Window, they would have had more chance of avoiding last minute unforeseen disappointments on the last day, which ends up with them signing third fourth choice defenders who are injured to show that they have at least signed somebody even if they can't play because they are injured.
The bottom line is that if results do not improve, we will be relegated for the second time under their tenure in the last five years, and so far it's a dam sight worse than the first time.
But more than anything it's his condescending partronising manner that shows how he and his son are so out of touch with the real football world.
So as anticipate, we are all feeling worse and insulted by this pathetic bit of ill considered PR
what he should have said was sorry, i am sacking the manager and replacing my son.
That at least would make sense.
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Quote from: davew on February 08, 2019, 05:31:23 PM
Quote from: Twig on February 08, 2019, 04:03:51 PM
What a load of PR garbage. Totally pointless and insults the intelligence of us as supporters. What does he think he is running, a car spares company?
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What a load of tosh...Insulting us fans it is in a way.
Agree, terrible article
In fairness his articles normally show a lot of sense and awareness of fans' views
But this time, after previously saying Ranieri would be backed in January, to come and say we should be glad he didn't try to recoup what the club has spent is just cretinous
And I agree with others that we can only have got multiple offers for Mitro - no way we got offered our money back on the tosh his son bought
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 08, 2019, 05:50:26 PM
Never trust a man with a Moustache 051
I cannot comprehend how dumb he must think we all are.
But how condescending is that, talking to us as though we need educating about English Football and it's supporters.
I would imagine that every member of this forum has forgotten more about English Football than the Khans will ever learn.
I find it insulting that he thinks that by not taking any responsibility whatsoever for him and his sons incompetence, negligence and inefficiency shows that they think we will swallow their flannel.
They are seriously out of their depth, and are looking to blame everything else from bad luck to even more bad luck.
If the pair of them really genuinely cared, they would have ensured that by acting well in advance, before the January Window, they would have had more chance of avoiding last minute unforeseen disappointments on the last day, which ends up with them signing third fourth choice defenders who are injured to show that they have at least signed somebody even if they can't play because they are injured.
The bottom line is that if results do not improve, we will be relegated for the second time under their tenure in the last five years, and so far it's a dam sight worse than the first time.
But more than anything it's his condescending partronising manner that shows how he and his son are so out of touch with the real football world.
Exactly what I was going to say, thank god you typed it all out and not me...lol
Out if interest if he did strip the club back to nothing and sell off all the assets and recoup his losses and not reinvest, would we all have been happy.
The season has not got well, we all know that but you could spin whatever he says to be a negative or positive depending on how you want it to look.
Statements from Shahid Khan are few and far between, so it concerns me a little bit that if he is going to give a rousing speech to try and give us a lift, then why not mention The Riverside Stand and The BBC sports ground ?
In fact theres mo mention of the future at all is there , not even next season .
The guy would have got roasted whatever he said in his notes. On a hiding to nothing with whatever he says right now isn't he
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Quote from: elgreenio on February 08, 2019, 06:09:10 PM
The guy would have got roasted whatever he said in his notes. On a hiding to nothing with whatever he says right now isn't he
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No !
I dont know anybody that has a problem with Shahid, so I dont know where you get that from.
Quote from: elgreenio on February 08, 2019, 06:09:10 PM
The guy would have got roasted whatever he said in his notes. On a hiding to nothing with whatever he says right now isn't he
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no that is just not true
Quote from: Riversider on February 08, 2019, 06:02:21 PM
Statements from Shahid Khan are few and far between, so it concerns me a little bit that if he is going to give a rousing speech to try and give us a lift, then why not mention The Riverside Stand and The BBC sports ground ?
In fact theres mo mention of the future at all is there , not even next season .
If you are on LinkedIn they are advertising for two commercial sales persons, selling specifically the new riverside stand
What a load of patronising balderdash!
I'm calling it early, but I reckon he's out in the summer. Frustration from his son on Twitter, irrecoverable failure after 5 years of trying, no further spending this month, and a negative article today with no talk of the future.
You heard it here first - he's on his way out IMO.
So all those in the Riverside can stop wondering where to sit next season.
He is right about the crowd getting right behind the team in the second half, it was a great atmosphere, and I'm proud to say I was there.
Fair play to him for bothering to try to communicate with the fans.
It's true, we have been unlucky - at Liverpool, at Burnley, home to Spurs, at Palace - crucial ref decisions have gone against us, chances have been missed, stupid defensive errors.
We should have the crucial points that would take us out of the relgation zone, and the team has deserved that, with its attitide and battling spirit, though our situation makes it hard mentally, as well as physically.
So, I appreciate our owner's messsage - it shows he cares, and it does give me hope that we can fight our way out of this sitution.
Not exactly the speech to hear just before going 'over the top'!
I cannot believe they don't just get people to write this stuff for them. There must be people out there who can 'flower-up' a few words to quell the natives? Very odd :(
Perhaps we should be a little careful about turning on our owner and custodian. Maybe we should show more understanding and empathy to his situation and sensibilities. We encouraged the departure of Mr Al Fayed due to the perceived disloyalty to him over the MJ statue. It would be a tragedy to do the same again. Mr Al Fayed left us with a wealthy and decent custodian. Mr Khan may not be so benevolant.
Quote from: RaySmith on February 08, 2019, 07:02:46 PM
He is right about the crowd getting right behind the team in the second half, it was a great atmosphere, and I'm proud to say I was there.
Fair play to him for bothering to try to communicate with the fans.
It's true, we have been unlucky - at Liverpool, at Burnley, home to Spurs, at Palace - crucial ref decisions have gone against us, chances have been missed, stupid defensive errors.
We should have the crucial points that would take us out of the relgation zone, and the team has deserved that, with its attitide and battling spirit, though our situation makes it hard mentally, as well as physically.
So, I appreciate our owner's messsage - it shows he cares, and it does give me hope that we can fight our way out of this sitution.
:plus one:
But they really do need to learn that the manager MUST have a big say in transfers, in future
I am emphatically not turning on our owner. I think he has the best interests of the club at heart and I am also supportive of his stance on a variety of social issues. All in all he seems a very decent man and we are lucky that Mo's successor was not one of the awful ego maniacs or asset strippers that some clubs have been unfortunate enough to suffer.
That said, this latest piece that he has put on the FFC website is still PR garbage.
What we need from Mr khan is 1. remove his son from football related duties and get in an experienced D o F 2. get on with the Riverside development 3. hire a modern manager when the outdated CR inevitably leaves.
Shahid seems a good man to be fair to him,but employing his son has backfired.
Quote from: RaySmith on February 08, 2019, 07:02:46 PM
He is right about the crowd getting right behind the team in the second half, it was a great atmosphere, and I'm proud to say I was there.
Fair play to him for bothering to try to communicate with the fans.
It's true, we have been unlucky - at Liverpool, at Burnley, home to Spurs, at Palace - crucial ref decisions have gone against us, chances have been missed, stupid defensive errors.
We should have the crucial points that would take us out of the relgation zone, and the team has deserved that, with its attitide and battling spirit, though our situation makes it hard mentally, as well as physically.
So, I appreciate our owner's messsage - it shows he cares, and it does give me hope that we can fight our way out of this sitution.
we were unlucky at liverpool, twofold...the ref killed us and khan sacked a good manager replacing him with a clown.
we were not unlucky at burnley CR tactics killed us
we wer not unlucky against spurs CR tactics did for us again. we were on top against spurs B team and we failed to press the advantage, sat back and paid the price because we do not have the defenders to sit back so deep.
at place we were lucky to lose by 2. once the first goal went in it was game over, the team selection crippled the team and demoralised the players... I assume you refer to the second game because the first was unfortunate that we had a 10th rate keeper that hadn't a clue and they had the manof the match in goal
stupid defensive errors are what the new manager was famed for dealing with and has spectacularly failed
our team does not really battle that hard, we have far too many that through the season have simply given up during games, seri, anguisa, christie FM. only odoi, TC and sess have really given 100% at all times...and of course Mitro.
the owners comments were nothing short of an insult to our intelligence. I am not sure you read what he said properly or are totally unaware of the situation we are in.
Nose, none of our players have given 100% all of the time!!!!!!! If they have it just proves that even they aren't up to the standard required in the PL!
What a joke of a chairman. Completely clueless useless pathetic. I hope he loses more interest fast so he can just sell up.
He has no f-ing interest in our club. He's barely been to a handful of games in his ownership.
Mr Khan said more or less what MAF & virtually every owner says. It is a PR exercise after all. I wish a few on here shared his faith in the Club. He has not given up.
Quote from: grandad on February 08, 2019, 10:22:33 PM
Mr Khan said more or less what MAF & virtually every owner says. It is a PR exercise after all. I wish a few on here shared his faith in the Club. He has not given up.
He might have just been better off saying nothing!! Enjoyed Alicante (again) by the way, got back yesterday.
Quote from: davew on February 08, 2019, 09:04:15 PM
Nose, none of our players have given 100% all of the time!!!!!!! If they have it just proves that even they aren't up to the standard required in the PL!
all I mean by that is doing more or less their best. the few I mention I do not have an issue with. the other group are certainly capable of much more and presumably much better.
at least I think that is what i mean
Quote from: Statto on February 08, 2019, 06:44:57 PM
I'm calling it early, but I reckon he's out in the summer. Frustration from his son on Twitter, irrecoverable failure after 5 years of trying, no further spending this month, and a negative article today with no talk of the future.
You heard it here first - he's on his way out IMO.
So all those in the Riverside can stop wondering where to sit next season.
I reckon your right, will we have new owners soon. Craven Cottage is 23,000 m2 in a suburb worth £11,000 per m2 (thats £253,000,000), the Players can probably sold for £97,000,000 (including Sess), Parchauate Payments of £80,000,000 and Motsphur Park must be worth £20,000,000. Hence, anyone that is prepared to liquidate the club could buy it less than £450 million and make money.
Fulham FC is worth so so much liquidated, the two most important thing we need in a owner is i) to be a Billionaire and ii) to love the Craven Cottage more than making money. Not easy to find Billionaires that does't love money and even harder to find ones that love Fulham. Mohamed Al-Fayed saved this club and he found the Billionaire that he thought would love this club. Trust MAF!
If "The Khans" build the new Riverside Stand, then it proves beyond any doubt he loves Fulham more than money. He'll still be a footballing idiot, but its easier to teach someone to be a "Director of Football" than to find a Billionaire that loves Fulham FC more than money.
If Riverside Fan want to know where they will probably be sitting with new owners, my guesses are Loftus Road or Motsphur Park.
Quote from: Twig on February 08, 2019, 04:03:51 PM
What a load of PR garbage. Totally pointless and insults the intelligence of us as supporters. What does he think he is running, a car spares company?
If this is you 'emphatically not turning on our owner', I can't imagine how acerbic your remarks will be if ever the day comes that you do.
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Quote from: Statto on February 08, 2019, 06:44:57 PM
I'm calling it early, but I reckon he's out in the summer. Frustration from his son on Twitter, irrecoverable failure after 5 years of trying, no further spending this month, and a negative article today with no talk of the future.
You heard it here first - he's on his way out IMO.
So all those in the Riverside can stop wondering where to sit next season.
I reckon your right, will we have new owners soon. Craven Cottage is 23,000 m2 in a suburb worth £11,000 per m2 (thats £253,000,000), the Players can probably sold for £97,000,000 (including Sess), Parchauate Payments of £80,000,000 and Motsphur Park must be worth £20,000,000. Hence, anyone that is prepared to liquidate the club could buy it less than £450 million and make money.
Fulham FC is worth so so much liquidated, the two most important thing we need in a owner is i) to be a Billionaire and ii) to love the Craven Cottage more than making money. Not easy to find Billionaires that does't love money and even harder to find ones that love Fulham. Mohamed Al-Fayed saved this club and he found the Billionaire that he thought would love this club. Trust MAF!
If "The Khans" build the new Riverside Stand, then it proves beyond any doubt he loves Fulham more than money. He'll still be a footballing idiot, but its easier to teach someone to be a "Director of Football" than to find a Billionaire that loves Fulham FC more than money.
If Riverside Fan want to know where they will probably be sitting with new owners, my guesses are Loftus Road or Motsphur Park.
No one would buy a football club to liquidate it. It would take years, involve a depth of uncertainty and ultimately cost (not make) the person money. So you can just park that silly idea.
And we don't need hand-outs from the owner when Sky TV are giving every PL club £100m+ every year - hence even tiny little clubs like Huddersfield can spend £50m-£60m.
We just need an owner who can guide us back to the PL. A top 6 Championship finish. Is that easy? No. But can Shahid Khan do it? I don't think so. So I'd happily take our chances.
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Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 08, 2019, 11:33:05 PM
Quote from: Statto on February 08, 2019, 06:44:57 PM
I'm calling it early, but I reckon he's out in the summer. Frustration from his son on Twitter, irrecoverable failure after 5 years of trying, no further spending this month, and a negative article today with no talk of the future.
You heard it here first - he's on his way out IMO.
So all those in the Riverside can stop wondering where to sit next season.
I reckon your right, will we have new owners soon. Craven Cottage is 23,000 m2 in a suburb worth £11,000 per m2 (thats £253,000,000), the Players can probably sold for £97,000,000 (including Sess), Parchauate Payments of £80,000,000 and Motsphur Park must be worth £20,000,000. Hence, anyone that is prepared to liquidate the club could buy it less than £450 million and make money.
Fulham FC is worth so so much liquidated, the two most important thing we need in a owner is i) to be a Billionaire and ii) to love the Craven Cottage more than making money. Not easy to find Billionaires that does't love money and even harder to find ones that love Fulham. Mohamed Al-Fayed saved this club and he found the Billionaire that he thought would love this club. Trust MAF!
If "The Khans" build the new Riverside Stand, then it proves beyond any doubt he loves Fulham more than money. He'll still be a footballing idiot, but its easier to teach someone to be a "Director of Football" than to find a Billionaire that loves Fulham FC more than money.
If Riverside Fan want to know where they will probably be sitting with new owners, my guesses are Loftus Road or Motsphur Park.
No one would buy a football club to liquidate it. It would take years, involve a depth of uncertainty and ultimately cost (not make) the person money. So you can just park that silly idea.
And we don't need hand-outs from the owner when Sky TV are giving every PL club £100m+ every year - hence even tiny little clubs like Huddersfield can spend £50m-£60m.
We just need an owner who can guide us back to the PL. A top 6 Championship finish. Is that easy? No. But can Shahid Khan do it? I don't think so. So I'd happily take our chances.
You think "No one would buy a football club to liquidate it". Have you forgotten Fulham FC's has land worth £235m more than Huddersfield. If we end up in League One with parchuate payments gone and worthless players, who else apart from liquidators would pay more than £200m for Fulham FC. Fulham FC is one of the few clubs that if it ends up in League One is worth more dead than alive.
All the liquidator would have to do is i) sell the land in Fulham to a property developer, ii) sell all the big players to another team (like Chelsea) who resell them and iii) sell what remains to the Fans for £2, which could all be done by 1st August 2019.
I am sure Fulham FC will always still exist, but without Craven Cottage as its football field it's not really Fulham FC.
Before FFC fans say "we don't need hand-outs from the owner" consider this. Every team in the Top-15 of Champsionship has either i) a large Stadium (Leeds & Aston Villa), ii) parchuate payments (8 teams) or iii) maximium FFP hand-outs from the owner (8teams). FFC need at least one of those three or we are a yo-yo Championship / League One team.
Quote from: davew on February 08, 2019, 09:04:15 PM
Nose, none of our players have given 100% all of the time!!!!!!! If they have it just proves that even they aren't up to the standard required in the PL!
The League Table tells us everything we need to know, we are one of the three poorest teams in the League and that is highlighted by inconsistency. Although currently we are consistently poor and consistently good at losing.
So what is going to change, as the absent owner and his son failed to fetch the cavalry over the hill in the January Window, although they did manage to sign an injured unfit defender that nobody else wanted.
You couldn't make it up, I cannot see us winning the Jackpot today, and if we did, one swallow does not make a summer. Because we will have to do it every week.
There is not one person on this message board unless they are off their head, would put their mortgage on Fulham surviving, and that is the reality and tells you everything you need to know, and how deep a trench we are in.
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Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on February 09, 2019, 05:44:59 AM
Quote from: davew on February 08, 2019, 09:04:15 PM
Nose, none of our players have given 100% all of the time!!!!!!! If they have it just proves that even they aren't up to the standard required in the PL!
The League Table tells us everything we need to know, we are one of the three poorest teams in the League and that is highlighted by inconsistency. Although currently we are consistently poor and consistently good at losing.
So what is going to change, as the absent owner and his son failed to fetch the cavalry over the hill in the January Window, although they did manage to sign an injured unfit defender that nobody else wanted.
You couldn't make it up, I cannot see us winning the Jackpot today, and if we did, one swallow does not make a summer. Because we will have to do it every week.
There is not one person on this message board unless they are off their head, would put their mortgage on Fulham surviving, and that is the reality and tells you everything you need to know, and how deep a trench we are in.
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We still have a lot to play for, i am sure we are selling Mitro, Sess, Seri, Cairney & Fabri; but whether we £10 million or £100 million and the quality of reinvestment will determine FFC future.
Some people on this board are like a lot of spoiled kids. The vitriol shown to Mr Kahn is totally uncalled for. Reminiscent of the behavior that made Mr Al fayed decide to go.
It´s funny how the same old names trot out their hatred of every owner we have had, every manager we have had, nearly every player we have signed. Why do they bother "supporting" the club?
I do not hate the owner
I hate that he repeats the same errors, that are wholy avoidable, and expects a different result.
I certainly hate his ridiculous condescending article. Not a word of appology or a recognition lessons will be learned.
Until the end of january i was firmly in the be careful what you wish for camp. Not calling for regime change or anything like that.
But the few posters that always defend anything the club does, have made me rethink. If we stay as we are and keep TK in place and retain the italian for instance. Then league one is more likely. The current owner seems unable to put a long trm rational plan in place and stick to it. If that were so slav would still be in place and a proper defence assembled in january.
If we stay as we have been for the last 5 years all the pleasure will go out of being a fulham supporter. We do not need a new stand we need a new defence and a new head of recruitment. And before that we need to be rid of CR who in my opion is one of the very worst, and believe me i should know because i have seen far too many joke managers here.
Even newcastle with their loathed owner are doing better than us.
The piece khan wrote also helpped me reconsider. Such an insult to our intelligence. Painting a picture that just is not true. We are failing because he keeps his son in place and sacked a perfectly decent manager for a dreadful one. He, the owner is individually responsible for taking the pleasure out of it because of his failure to learn. I can cope with errors, but never making the same ones over and over.
I am not yet calling for a change, but i am now thinking that may well be a better option. Who knows who we might get, but it could be better, much better than this.
Quote from: grandad on February 09, 2019, 09:15:23 AM
It´s funny how the same old names trot out their hatred of every owner we have had, every manager we have had, nearly every player we have signed. Why do they bother "supporting" the club?
Its funny how the same old names trot out the same old blind acceptance to what the club says and does!
Actually, that's fine with me, your entitled to your view as much as me but try and open your minds and at least argue your case better rather than trot out the your not a "real" supporter crap!
I really am struggling to see what the Khans have done wrong....??
They have treated the club & fans with nothing but respect since they took over. They have invested throughout their ownership, on & off the pitch & that would have cost them several millions of personal funds during our time in the championship.
Promotion last season was brilliant, the day a Wembley even better, and they followed that up by spending over £100m on new players. Unbelievable for a club like ours to spend that sort of money & shows ultimate commitment from the Khans.
SK's reaction at the final whistle, the relief, was like the rest of us & suggests to me he's desperate for us to succeed. And TK celebrating on the pitch with the players also says a lot.
All this on top of the developments at Motspur Park & the potential Riverside development.
Things aren't going well this season & we will be back in the championship next season but to butcher the Khans like a lot of us seem to be doing is wrong.
They've certainly made mistakes, the manager needs input in the recruitment process for example & maybe TK has, or wants to get too close to the team & team selection, he's not qualified for that.
That said, based on what I've seen over the last 5 years, I'm more than happy with the way they're running things - 2 play offs & a promotion isn't too horrendous.
I hope they're here in another 5 years.
Just to be clear, I am very aware of where our club sits in the English games hierarchy, its history some good times and too many bad and how easily things could go terribly wrong with the wrong kind of owner.
My perception is the current owner has done a lot of good for us and continues to play the long game for the clubs benefit and he is generally a good guy.
But that just makes the long list of recruitment cock ups (throughout his ownership not just TK's doings) and the teams problems harder to take as there seems to be a willingness to keep hitting their heads against a brick wall until they make their recruitment model work (it wont happen).
Of course all clubs make duff signings but we have turned it into an habit, I don't want a new owner I just want him to attend to business in a better fashion.
Quote from: bill taylors apprentice on February 09, 2019, 10:23:04 AM
Just to be clear, I am very aware of where our club sits in the English games hierarchy, its history some good times and too many bad and how easily things could go terribly wrong with the wrong kind of owner.
My perception is the current owner has done a lot of good for us and continues to play the long game for the clubs benefit and he is generally a good guy.
But that just makes the long list of recruitment cock ups (throughout his ownership not just TK's doings) and the teams problems harder to take as there seems to be a willingness to keep hitting their heads against a brick wall until they make their recruitment model work (it wont happen).
Of course all clubs make duff signings but we have turned it into an habit, I don't want a new owner I just want him to attend to business in a better fashion.
I don't like our recruitment policy either, personally think the manager needs to have the majority of control.
It's a strange one because it feels all wrong but that policy got us promoted last season & got us in the play-offs the season before.
I have never really had an opinion regarding our owners over the last couple of decades and my angst towards certain managers has been based on the team performances or the vibe around the Club so I would like to think it was/is justified.
Grandad. I like your point about bashing past owners and managers. What on earth did we do pre forum.
"Telegram for Branfoot. Telegram for Branfoot"
We probably just grumbled about it in idle conversation through the park.
Quote from: ScalleysDad on February 09, 2019, 10:43:40 AM
I have never really had an opinion regarding our owners over the last couple of decades and my angst towards certain managers has been based on the team performances or the vibe around the Club so I would like to think it was/is justified.
Grandad. I like your point about bashing past owners and managers. What on earth did we do pre forum.
"Telegram for Branfoot. Telegram for Branfoot"
We probably just grumbled about it in idle conversation through the park.
To paraphrase Blazing Saddles
"Telegram for Mungo, telegram for Mungo"
Oh & of course please lads can we have a "Fulhamish" result today & thump Man U
COYW!!
Quote from: Arthur on February 08, 2019, 11:46:27 PM
Quote from: Twig on February 08, 2019, 04:03:51 PM
What a load of PR garbage. Totally pointless and insults the intelligence of us as supporters. What does he think he is running, a car spares company?
If this is you 'emphatically not turning on our owner', I can't imagine how acerbic your remarks will be if ever the day comes that you do.
My comments were about the PR piece and not the owner. Read my comments properly. BTW the bit about what does he think he is running etc were meant as a lighthearted close.
Actions speak louder then words. He thought he could trust his son with doing things properly, one day he'll realise it's that belief that's holding us back.
As a club with assets and as a chairman who wants to be taken seriously regarding his ownership of the club, had he sold those players having bought them in having finally got us into the premiership after less than six month, then his ambition level for the ownership of this club would rightly need to be called into question, not just that of his son's overbearing influence.
If anything the statement smacks of a disenchanted owner.. al fayed may not have had the same resources available but the success of this club he took extremely seriously. The figures involved mattered to him and so did the success of his teams and the players he brought in.. it wasn't a game for him, it was a passion for the right people to do the job properly.
Shahid may have spent 100£m but for him that's the equivalent of any one of us going into a township or slum and giving 100£ to someone and expecting them to agree to whatever you say. For him it's as insignificant a sum.. turning down that amount for players is falsely noble thing to suggest and do.. it counts for nothing.
If anything it's just all been a waste since he's been here.. since he's come in the club have been all over the place.. he needs to get a serious grip of this club, set genuine targets he cares for and put proper football people in key positions.
I've seen nothing but this club floundering since he and his son took over the club and something has to change. Otherwise he's going to start destroying the soul of this club and then the club itself.
Quote from: Fulham76 on February 09, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
I really am struggling to see what the Khans have done wrong....??
They have treated the club & fans with nothing but respect since they took over. They have invested throughout their ownership, on & off the pitch & that would have cost them several millions of personal funds during our time in the championship.
Promotion last season was brilliant, the day a Wembley even better, and they followed that up by spending over £100m on new players. Unbelievable for a club like ours to spend that sort of money & shows ultimate commitment from the Khans.
SK's reaction at the final whistle, the relief, was like the rest of us & suggests to me he's desperate for us to succeed. And TK celebrating on the pitch with the players also says a lot.
All this on top of the developments at Motspur Park & the potential Riverside development.
Things aren't going well this season & we will be back in the championship next season but to butcher the Khans like a lot of us seem to be doing is wrong.
They've certainly made mistakes, the manager needs input in the recruitment process for example & maybe TK has, or wants to get too close to the team & team selection, he's not qualified for that.
That said, based on what I've seen over the last 5 years, I'm more than happy with the way they're running things - 2 play offs & a promotion isn't too horrendous.
I hope they're here in another 5 years.
I don't understand why you are struggling. The fundamental mistake was nepotism. For the Chairman to put his son in the Director of Football role ignored all logic. Would you condone putting a marketing person in a CFO role or a banker as Head of Engineering? That's how daft it was.
I repeat, I don't want the Khans out, they seem like decent owners. Just hire the right people for the right jobs.
Quote from: Twig on February 09, 2019, 11:02:46 AM
Quote from: Fulham76 on February 09, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
I really am struggling to see what the Khans have done wrong....??
They have treated the club & fans with nothing but respect since they took over. They have invested throughout their ownership, on & off the pitch & that would have cost them several millions of personal funds during our time in the championship.
Promotion last season was brilliant, the day a Wembley even better, and they followed that up by spending over £100m on new players. Unbelievable for a club like ours to spend that sort of money & shows ultimate commitment from the Khans.
SK's reaction at the final whistle, the relief, was like the rest of us & suggests to me he's desperate for us to succeed. And TK celebrating on the pitch with the players also says a lot.
All this on top of the developments at Motspur Park & the potential Riverside development.
Things aren't going well this season & we will be back in the championship next season but to butcher the Khans like a lot of us seem to be doing is wrong.
They've certainly made mistakes, the manager needs input in the recruitment process for example & maybe TK has, or wants to get too close to the team & team selection, he's not qualified for that.
That said, based on what I've seen over the last 5 years, I'm more than happy with the way they're running things - 2 play offs & a promotion isn't too horrendous.
I hope they're here in another 5 years.
I don't understand why you are struggling. The fundamental mistake was nepotism. For the Chairman to put his son in the Director of Football role ignored all logic. Would you condone putting a marketing person in a CFO role or a banker as Head of Engineering? That's how daft it was.
I repeat, I don't want the Khans out, they seem like decent owners. Just hire the right people for the right jobs.
Agreed, we need the right people in the right places but SK/TK policies got us promoted last season & to the play offs the season before.
Quote from: Fulham76 on February 09, 2019, 11:09:29 AM
Quote from: Twig on February 09, 2019, 11:02:46 AM
Quote from: Fulham76 on February 09, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
I really am struggling to see what the Khans have done wrong....??
They have treated the club & fans with nothing but respect since they took over. They have invested throughout their ownership, on & off the pitch & that would have cost them several millions of personal funds during our time in the championship.
Promotion last season was brilliant, the day a Wembley even better, and they followed that up by spending over £100m on new players. Unbelievable for a club like ours to spend that sort of money & shows ultimate commitment from the Khans.
SK's reaction at the final whistle, the relief, was like the rest of us & suggests to me he's desperate for us to succeed. And TK celebrating on the pitch with the players also says a lot.
All this on top of the developments at Motspur Park & the potential Riverside development.
Things aren't going well this season & we will be back in the championship next season but to butcher the Khans like a lot of us seem to be doing is wrong.
They've certainly made mistakes, the manager needs input in the recruitment process for example & maybe TK has, or wants to get too close to the team & team selection, he's not qualified for that.
That said, based on what I've seen over the last 5 years, I'm more than happy with the way they're running things - 2 play offs & a promotion isn't too horrendous.
I hope they're here in another 5 years.
I don't understand why you are struggling. The fundamental mistake was nepotism. For the Chairman to put his son in the Director of Football role ignored all logic. Would you condone putting a marketing person in a CFO role or a banker as Head of Engineering? That's how daft it was.
I repeat, I don't want the Khans out, they seem like decent owners. Just hire the right people for the right jobs.
Agreed, we need the right people in the right places but SK/TK policies got us promoted last season & to the play offs the season before.
They made it harder than it can and should've been.. not backing or listening to slavisa, making slavisa distracted from his job and publicly making statements suggesting they back him or sack him, selling off Aluko and malone, not tying down fredericks contract.. Ryan sessegnon's.. don't forget whilst we got to the play-offs two seasons in a row.. we had abysmal first half of seasons and only through magic in the second half did we get into them.
What I fear most is the fact they have kept players like cairney and Johansen who put a lot of effort into getting us into the premiership then bought in a new squad making them redundant and meaning they were part of the club in the premiership but not getting game time or being valued.
That's going to screw with the club and their motivation if we do go down.. who wants to work hard for someone who does that?
Some brilliant posts here!
Quote from: General on February 09, 2019, 11:00:57 AM
Actions speak louder then words. He thought he could trust his son with doing things properly, one day he'll realise it's that belief that's holding us back.
As a club with assets and as a chairman who wants to be taken seriously regarding his ownership of the club, had he sold those players having bought them in having finally got us into the premiership after less than six month, then his ambition level for the ownership of this club would rightly need to be called into question, not just that of his son's overbearing influence.
If anything the statement smacks of a disenchanted owner.. al fayed may not have had the same resources available but the success of this club he took extremely seriously. The figures involved mattered to him and so did the success of his teams and the players he brought in.. it wasn't a game for him, it was a passion for the right people to do the job properly.
Shahid may have spent 100£m but for him that's the equivalent of any one of us going into a township or slum and giving 100£ to someone and expecting them to agree to whatever you say. For him it's as insignificant a sum.. turning down that amount for players is falsely noble thing to suggest and do.. it counts for nothing.
If anything it's just all been a waste since he's been here.. since he's come in the club have been all over the place.. he needs to get a serious grip of this club, set genuine targets he cares for and put proper football people in key positions.
I've seen nothing but this club floundering since he and his son took over the club and something has to change. Otherwise he's going to start destroying the soul of this club and then the club itself.
The club started floundering when Mr Al Fayed perceived a lack of support and loyalty from the supporters albeit regarding one of his foibles. It was then that he ceased to invest in the club and prepared it for sale. Mr Khan has been swimming against the tide since he took over. A lack of knowledge and experience hampered his efforts and when he seemed to be getting it right things went wrong - almost excusably wrong given the difficulties in recruiting players with the shorter window, world cup etc.
Quote from: Fulham76 on February 09, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
I really am struggling to see what the Khans have done wrong....??
They have treated the club & fans with nothing but respect since they took over. They have invested throughout their ownership, on & off the pitch & that would have cost them several millions of personal funds during our time in the championship.
Promotion last season was brilliant, the day a Wembley even better, and they followed that up by spending over £100m on new players. Unbelievable for a club like ours to spend that sort of money & shows ultimate commitment from the Khans.
SK's reaction at the final whistle, the relief, was like the rest of us & suggests to me he's desperate for us to succeed. And TK celebrating on the pitch with the players also says a lot.
All this on top of the developments at Motspur Park & the potential Riverside development.
Things aren't going well this season & we will be back in the championship next season but to butcher the Khans like a lot of us seem to be doing is wrong.
They've certainly made mistakes, the manager needs input in the recruitment process for example & maybe TK has, or wants to get too close to the team & team selection, he's not qualified for that.
That said, based on what I've seen over the last 5 years, I'm more than happy with the way they're running things - 2 play offs & a promotion isn't too horrendous.
I hope they're here in another 5 years.
I agree.
It's tough having a billionaire owner, though. We've really got it rough. I do think TK should be replaced, however - after all, the grass is always greener on the other side - and it would at last shut people up on the matter.
Quote from: Twig on February 09, 2019, 10:56:40 AM
Quote from: Arthur on February 08, 2019, 11:46:27 PM
Quote from: Twig on February 08, 2019, 04:03:51 PM
What a load of PR garbage. Totally pointless and insults the intelligence of us as supporters. What does he think he is running, a car spares company?
If this is you 'emphatically not turning on our owner', I can't imagine how acerbic your remarks will be if ever the day comes that you do.
My comments were about the PR piece and not the owner. Read my comments properly. BTW the bit about what does he think he is running etc were meant as a lighthearted close.
With such an abrupt tone to your post, I think you're expecting too much for those of us reading it to infer such a clear distinction between the message and the messenger. And while it was evident that your closing remark was a witticism (hence my use of the word 'acerbic') it could just as easily have been intended as a facetious remark as a light-hearted one.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 09, 2019, 12:59:45 AM
All the liquidator would have to do is i) sell the land in Fulham to a property developer, ii) sell all the big players to another team (like Chelsea) who resell them and iii) sell what remains to the Fans for £2, which could all be done by 1st August 2019.
Absolute rubbish. Anyone who buys this club has to spend a fortune on all the due diligence involved in any large M&A transaction, in addition to the FA fit and proper process etc for football clubs. Then with the players, there's no guarantee as to what sale prices they'll achieve or when they'll be sold, and for every week it takes to sell them, theyre draining £1m+ in wages from the club. A significant amount would have been paid for the goodwill, IP etc in the business and that immediately becomes worthless if its broken up. This "liquidator" also needs to go through a separate process to offload Motspur Park, and anyone looking to develop the ground itself has to work around two structures (the Stevenage Rd stand and Cottage) which can never be knocked down, so it's a far less attractive site than any empty plot or old block of flats half a mile up the river. I repeat, the whole process would take absolutely years and involve so much cost, uncertainty and frustration that unless Khan literally gives the club away, no one is going to make any money from liquidating it.
Quote from: Statto on February 09, 2019, 04:15:31 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on February 09, 2019, 12:59:45 AM
All the liquidator would have to do is i) sell the land in Fulham to a property developer, ii) sell all the big players to another team (like Chelsea) who resell them and iii) sell what remains to the Fans for £2, which could all be done by 1st August 2019.
Absolute rubbish. Anyone who buys this club has to spend a fortune on all the due diligence involved in any large M&A transaction, in addition to the FA fit and proper process etc for football clubs. Then with the players, there's no guarantee as to what sale prices they'll achieve or when they'll be sold, and for every week it takes to sell them, theyre draining £1m+ in wages from the club. A significant amount would have been paid for the goodwill, IP etc in the business and that immediately becomes worthless if its broken up. This "liquidator" also needs to go through a separate process to offload Motspur Park, and anyone looking to develop the ground itself has to work around two structures (the Stevenage Rd stand and Cottage) which can never be knocked down, so it's a far less attractive site than any empty plot or old block of flats half a mile up the river. I repeat, the whole process would take absolutely years and involve so much cost, uncertainty and frustration that unless Khan literally gives the club away, no one is going to make any money from liquidating it.
Your quote is 100% right "Unless Khan literally gives the club away, no one is going to make any money from liquidating it."
Quote from: Twig on February 09, 2019, 11:02:46 AM
Quote from: Fulham76 on February 09, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
I really am struggling to see what the Khans have done wrong....??
They have treated the club & fans with nothing but respect since they took over. They have invested throughout their ownership, on & off the pitch & that would have cost them several millions of personal funds during our time in the championship.
Promotion last season was brilliant, the day a Wembley even better, and they followed that up by spending over £100m on new players. Unbelievable for a club like ours to spend that sort of money & shows ultimate commitment from the Khans.
SK's reaction at the final whistle, the relief, was like the rest of us & suggests to me he's desperate for us to succeed. And TK celebrating on the pitch with the players also says a lot.
All this on top of the developments at Motspur Park & the potential Riverside development.
Things aren't going well this season & we will be back in the championship next season but to butcher the Khans like a lot of us seem to be doing is wrong.
They've certainly made mistakes, the manager needs input in the recruitment process for example & maybe TK has, or wants to get too close to the team & team selection, he's not qualified for that.
That said, based on what I've seen over the last 5 years, I'm more than happy with the way they're running things - 2 play offs & a promotion isn't too horrendous.
I hope they're here in another 5 years.
I don't understand why you are struggling. The fundamental mistake was nepotism. For the Chairman to put his son in the Director of Football role ignored all logic. Would you condone putting a marketing person in a CFO role or a banker as Head of Engineering? That's how daft it was.
I repeat, I don't want the Khans out, they seem like decent owners. Just hire the right people for the right jobs.
Twig - you are spot on
It's not very funny that the same old names trot out their blind rose tinted view by preaching holyer than thou lectures by sticking their deluded heads in the sand and trying to defend the indefensible. Whilst attempting to take the moral high ground in a condescending pompous manner against the realistic poster who can see a storm coming.
Instead of having no ambition and moaning about the owners receiving constructive criticism, either move on, or support another club, but don't moan about the moaners who are realist and the ones that generally do care.
If you want to be easily pleased and fobbed off, whilst pandering to failure, then so be it, just carry on with your head buried in the sand, whilst the ship sinks.
Getting instarelegated, taking two years to figure things out in the Championship, and getting instarelegated again isn't a great track record, but I did enjoy the 18 months between December 2017 and May 2019 immensely. In some ways, we've had it better than someone like Everton, who just joylessly mucks through 45-point season after season in the PL with seemingly no real point to it.
I thought the program note was quite tone-deaf, but overall, we're in pretty decent hands. Easier to continue to figure things out operationally than it is to find another multibillionaire who wants to dump huge resources into the club, imo. Hearts are in the right place. Heads continue to be erratic. It could be a lot worse.
