Drop the Tony Khan jabs? He has nothing to do with what we're about to embark on in the next 10 games. Nothing. Just like the passion and belief talks of Ranieri, the content has brought numbness - and is now a borderline cliche.
It is not a transfer window.
We are not signing any new players.
We've sacked the manager.
We've replaced the manager with a caretaker manager.
What is about to happen is purely on how our CURRENT PLAYERS & COACHES perform. Whether we like it or not, these are the players we have. That is the reality we are in. Complaining about Tony Khan each week means you do not believe in the players we have, as if they need to keep being reminded that they aren't good enough from their fans.
So instead of the mind-numbing dross about things in the past, let's focus on what actually happens on the pitch. Let's get behind Scott Parker and the entire team of players who choose to wear the shirt. We will have PLENTY of time after the season is over to flood this place with hindsight posts and Tony Khan hashtags.
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It ain't about the wins. It's about building toward something that we'll see the fruits of within the next two - three seasons.
Mmmmm. I hope we win all 10 games
If FFC lose home and away to Cardiff this season, people are entitled to think we didn't buy good enough players, but I struggle with that explanation alone. For me, this squad is at least good enough to be well ahead of Cardiff this stage of the season.
Our Squad with International Players 1) Spain, 2) Netherlands, 3) England u21, 4) Belgium, 5) England, 6) England, 7) Germany, 8) Ivory Coast, 9) Serbia, 10) Scotland, 11) Netherlands, 12) England-GK, 13) Ireland-FB, 14) USA-CB, 15) Scotland-DM, 16) Cameroon-CM, 17) Serbia-RW, 18) Ex-Argentian u20 plus other players like 19) ex-Spain u20-GK, 20) England u19-RB, 21) Norway-CB, 22) Guinea-CM 23) Congo-AM, 24) Togo-LW, 25) USA-RW plus 26) MLM, 27) Bryan with before Xmas 28) Norway Captain and 29) Kamara.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 01, 2019, 04:43:41 AM
If FFC lose home and away to Cardiff this season, people are entitled to think we didn't buy good enough players, but I struggle with that explanation alone. For me, this squad is at least good enough to be well ahead of Cardiff this stage of the season.
Our Squad with International Players 1) Spain, 2) Netherlands, 3) England u21, 4) Belgium, 5) England, 6) England, 7) Germany, 8) Ivory Coast, 9) Serbia, 10) Scotland, 11) Netherlands, 12) England-GK, 13) Ireland-FB, 14) USA-CB, 15) Scotland-DM, 16) Cameroon-CM, 17) Serbia-RW, 18) Ex-Argentian u20 plus other players like ex-Spain u20, England u19, Norway, Congo, Togo, Guinea plus MLM and Bryan with Johason and Kamara before Xmas.
Would agree with this. People are entitled to think we didn't buy good enough players. I think the fact are though that Slav was not given enough time to get them settled. We all knew Slav struggles to find his best XI in the beginning of the season. It also did not help that the tinkerman just kept tinkering so there was absolutely no chance of the players getting any kind of cohesion.
Hindsight and all that, blah blah. We need to move forward and just get behind Scotty 049:gif
Quote from: love4ffc on March 01, 2019, 04:54:13 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 01, 2019, 04:43:41 AM
If FFC lose home and away to Cardiff this season, people are entitled to think we didn't buy good enough players, but I struggle with that explanation alone. For me, this squad is at least good enough to be well ahead of Cardiff this stage of the season.
Our Squad with International Players 1) Spain, 2) Netherlands, 3) England u21, 4) Belgium, 5) England, 6) England, 7) Germany, 8) Ivory Coast, 9) Serbia, 10) Scotland, 11) Netherlands, 12) England-GK, 13) Ireland-FB, 14) USA-CB, 15) Scotland-DM, 16) Cameroon-CM, 17) Serbia-RW, 18) Ex-Argentian u20 plus other players like ex-Spain u20, England u19, Norway, Congo, Togo, Guinea plus MLM and Bryan with Johason and Kamara before Xmas.
Would agree with this. People are entitled to think we didn't buy good enough players. I think the fact are though that Slav was not given enough time to get them settled. We all knew Slav struggles to find his best XI in the beginning of the season. It also did not help that the tinkerman just kept tinkering so there was absolutely no chance of the players getting any kind of cohesion.
Hindsight and all that, blah blah. We need to move forward and just get behind Scotty 049:gif
I agree, but I think Slavisa would have taken 2-3 months in the Championship to get this team settled and 7-9 months in the Premier League. Unless Slavisa was prepared to commit to going down with this squad and bring them back up again, then he had to go.
A long-term Slavisa contract would be FFC's best option, but he wasn't a great short-term option. Raneri was great short-term option, but a quick fix guy wasn't enough with this squad in the toughest domestic league in the world.
For me the lesson is you need to get promoted with a settled backline good enough to survive the premier league, I think if we keep these players (Betts, S.Sess, Nordveidt, Mawson, MLM and Bryan) we will be close to good enough. In FFCs last year of parchate payments we did the right thing, which was just get promoted and work out how to stay up in premier league once there.
Now we have more money to work on a two-three year plan to stay in premier league and the backline is key (especially Centre Backs as I think these take longest to get settled).
Guys we can't change the past,we can help change the future with total support for scotty and the players coyw
To the OP, you may consider discussions about past failings to be "mind numbing dross" and you are entitled to that opinion. I beg to differ and have equal right to my view.
Where I take exception is your faulty logic that concludes that complaining about TK means we do not believe in the players.
Quote from: Twig on March 01, 2019, 11:56:32 AM
To the OP, you may consider discussions about past failings to be "mind numbing dross" and you are entitled to that opinion. I beg to differ and have equal right to my view.
Where I take exception is your faulty logic that concludes that complaining about TK means we do not believe in the players.
I still blame the Khan's for this mess the clubs in!!
Why do more and more people keep saying things such as "can we please stop saying x".
Everyone is entitled to their own view, and yes, some people like to bang on about the same things often and a lot, but who are you to tell someone what they can and can't say on an open forum?
Quote from: Matt10 on March 01, 2019, 01:26:13 AM
Drop the Tony Khan jabs? He has nothing to do with what we're about to embark on in the next 10 games. Nothing. Just like the passion and belief talks of Ranieri, the content has brought numbness - and is now a borderline cliche.
It is not a transfer window.
We are not signing any new players.
We've sacked the manager.
We've replaced the manager with a caretaker manager.
What is about to happen is purely on how our CURRENT PLAYERS & COACHES perform. Whether we like it or not, these are the players we have. That is the reality we are in. Complaining about Tony Khan each week means you do not believe in the players we have, as if they need to keep being reminded that they aren't good enough from their fans.
So instead of the mind-numbing dross about things in the past, let's focus on what actually happens on the pitch. Let's get behind Scott Parker and the entire team of players who choose to wear the shirt. We will have PLENTY of time after the season is over to flood this place with hindsight posts and Tony Khan hashtags.
I do understand the request but unfortunately i cannot comply with your not unreasonable request.
What is about to happen now is fundamentally still a function of what TK has done or not done. Sure the players have underwhelmed and it is a chance for them to put things right and I for one am happy to wipe the slate clean and give everyone, and I mean everyone , a second chance.
Providing Parker can motivate and inspire and pick a formation that suits the squad and w perform to our best, that is all we can ask. But however good that may be, the crime that was and seems to be remaining as our transfer policy, needs to be discussed over and over. the banner at the Saints game, well it clearly hurt the owner. and he needs to be reminded how let down we feel, so sorry I will be continuing.
Quote from: hovewhite on March 01, 2019, 11:59:59 AM
Quote from: Twig on March 01, 2019, 11:56:32 AM
To the OP, you may consider discussions about past failings to be "mind numbing dross" and you are entitled to that opinion. I beg to differ and have equal right to my view.
Where I take exception is your faulty logic that concludes that complaining about TK means we do not believe in the players.
I still blame the Khan's for this mess the clubs in!!
As do I and it doesn't mean we don't support Scotty and the team. One can continue to bash TK for recruitment at will as the facts have not changed, have they?
Just cuz many of these players are internationals doesn't make them the right player or players for OUR team.
It doesn't make them the wrong player either. Again, when you don't buy PL defenders even Messi won't keep us up.
Great responses by people more elequant than myself to the OPs astonishing demands.
Sounds like a control freak to me.
I for one do not need to be lectured on what I can or cannot post on this board, providing of course I do not breach any rules or guidelines, this is not a communist country if I am to understand correctly.
If you do not like what you read, either debate in a civilised manner or ignore and move on.
This issue with the recruitment is cause for concern, and whilst the club sit on their hands and are seen to not do anything, then this debate will continue with the same passion as it started with.
So please no more holier than thou lectures requesting or suggesting or instructing us to withhold our opinions because it does not suit your agenda.
Quote from: love4ffc on March 01, 2019, 04:54:13 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 01, 2019, 04:43:41 AM
If FFC lose home and away to Cardiff this season, people are entitled to think we didn't buy good enough players, but I struggle with that explanation alone. For me, this squad is at least good enough to be well ahead of Cardiff this stage of the season.
Our Squad with International Players 1) Spain, 2) Netherlands, 3) England u21, 4) Belgium, 5) England, 6) England, 7) Germany, 8) Ivory Coast, 9) Serbia, 10) Scotland, 11) Netherlands, 12) England-GK, 13) Ireland-FB, 14) USA-CB, 15) Scotland-DM, 16) Cameroon-CM, 17) Serbia-RW, 18) Ex-Argentian u20 plus other players like ex-Spain u20, England u19, Norway, Congo, Togo, Guinea plus MLM and Bryan with Johason and Kamara before Xmas.
Would agree with this. People are entitled to think we didn't buy good enough players. I think the fact are though that Slav was not given enough time to get them settled. We all knew Slav struggles to find his best XI in the beginning of the season. It also did not help that the tinkerman just kept tinkering so there was absolutely no chance of the players getting any kind of cohesion.
Agree with this
Nonetheless, as we suffer the last few months of an utterly miserable and totally avoidable relegation process, I think it ridiculous to suggest we shouldn't discuss the persons/processes most to blame, particularly when those persons/ processes remain intact and will continue to hinder us going forward
"Drop the Tony Khan jabs? He has nothing to do with what we're about to embark on in the next 10 games."
That is a very narrow view. He has everything to do with the fact that our new manager (to whom we all wish every success) is facing ten Premiership games with a defence which would struggle in the Championship.
Quote from: Matt10 on March 01, 2019, 01:26:13 AM
Drop the Tony Khan jabs? He has nothing to do with what we're about to embark on in the next 10 games. Nothing.
He doesn't? Ah. Okay. Thanks for clearing that up. I'll email the club to let them know that the 'Head of Recruitment' section of their website needs updating.
It must have been Santa Claus, Jurgen Klopp or Alex Ferguson that left all three managers with a lop-sided and ill equipped squad (whilst side-stepping all the blame and having numpties defend them). My mistake.
OK I accept that to keep knocking young Khan and our recruitment methods right now is not going to help the team, so for the next ten matches I will try to concentrate just on team matters, we now have to hope that somehow Scott Parker will take us down with a few fighting performances under our belt.
Come the end of the season though we will all have a lot to say about both the appointment of the next permanent manager and recruitment because we really don't want a repeat of last summer.
Quote from: filham on March 01, 2019, 06:42:30 PM
OK I accept that to keep knocking young Khan and our recruitment methods right now is not going to help the team, so for the next ten matches I will try to concentrate just on team matters, we now have to hope that somehow Scott Parker will take us down with a few fighting performances under our belt.
Come the end of the season though we will all have a lot to say about both the appointment of the next permanent manager and recruitment because we really don't want a repeat of last summer.
I will, reluctantly, agree the same.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 01, 2019, 01:32:25 PM
Great responses by people more elequant than myself to the OPs astonishing demands.
Sounds like a control freak to me.
I for one do not need to be lectured on what I can or cannot post on this board, providing of course I do not breach any rules or guidelines, this is not a communist country if I am to understand correctly.
If you do not like what you read, either debate in a civilised manner or ignore and move on.
This issue with the recruitment is cause for concern, and whilst the club sit on their hands and are seen to not do anything, then this debate will continue with the same passion as it started with.
So please no more holier than thou lectures requesting or suggesting or instructing us to withhold our opinions because it does not suit your agenda.
100% agree WM. Anyone would think MOMENTUM were running things here... don't say this, don't mention that, we are not in North Korea are we??
For every match we win, my opinion on TK and the transfer policy from 26th May 2018 will improve.....
from a starting point of 0 out of 10
Quote from: Baszab on March 01, 2019, 10:51:50 PM
For every match we win, my opinion on TK and the transfer policy from 26th May 2018 will improve.....
from a starting point of 0 out of 10
Mine will not. Even if we win all 10.
TK has brought the wrong players at the wrong time.
If we survive it will be in spite of him.
CR? Despite mass abuse my way for saying he was the very wrong man, he was the pitts. The same is true of TK, he is 0/10 whatever happens.
Quote from: Twig on March 01, 2019, 11:56:32 AM
To the OP, you may consider discussions about past failings to be "mind numbing dross" and you are entitled to that opinion. I beg to differ and have equal right to my view.
Where I take exception is your faulty logic that concludes that complaining about TK means we do not believe in the players.
It's not faulty logic though. If Anguissa starts against Chelsea, do you believe in him or not? If he fails, who is to blame? Tony, right?
That has been the narrative all year: Player signed by TK fails = TK's fault.
You are right, there is faulty logic, which is why it's ironic that I have to even point that out.
Quote from: Jamie88 on March 01, 2019, 12:50:09 PM
Why do more and more people keep saying things such as "can we please stop saying x".
Everyone is entitled to their own view, and yes, some people like to bang on about the same things often and a lot, but who are you to tell someone what they can and can't say on an open forum?
So, I'm not controlling anyone's posting. I'm just putting something that shouldn't need to be in the forefront out of the way. Something has to change, what harm will it do that we lay off gossipping about things we can't control for 10 matches?
You're more than welcome to agree or disagree, hence why it is an open forum. No need to be offended for the sake of it.
Quote from: ALG01 on March 01, 2019, 12:52:34 PM
I do understand the request but unfortunately i cannot comply with your not unreasonable request.
What is about to happen now is fundamentally still a function of what TK has done or not done. Sure the players have underwhelmed and it is a chance for them to put things right and I for one am happy to wipe the slate clean and give everyone, and I mean everyone , a second chance.
Providing Parker can motivate and inspire and pick a formation that suits the squad and w perform to our best, that is all we can ask. But however good that may be, the crime that was and seems to be remaining as our transfer policy, needs to be discussed over and over. the banner at the Saints game, well it clearly hurt the owner. and he needs to be reminded how let down we feel, so sorry I will be continuing.
That is fine, you've essentially proven my point. Everyone is given a clean slate, except for Tony. Agreed. I'm just asking if we can lay off the obvious. It's obvious he's to blame. Clear as day. It's been going on since maybe our 2nd match this season?
I do not think it is unreasonable to ask us to stay focused on the positives of right now. To maybe change things up a bit, shift our focus maybe. Shift it away from this constant blame game mentality to a sense of more optimism that has obviously been felt the last couple of days.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 01, 2019, 01:32:25 PM
Great responses by people more elequant than myself to the OPs astonishing demands.
Sounds like a control freak to me.
I for one do not need to be lectured on what I can or cannot post on this board, providing of course I do not breach any rules or guidelines, this is not a communist country if I am to understand correctly.
If you do not like what you read, either debate in a civilised manner or ignore and move on.
This issue with the recruitment is cause for concern, and whilst the club sit on their hands and are seen to not do anything, then this debate will continue with the same passion as it started with.
So please no more holier than thou lectures requesting or suggesting or instructing us to withhold our opinions because it does not suit your agenda.
Hi, Wooly. A bit odd how you can just toss me aside even though we've had plenty of good discussions.
I didn't think it needed to be said, but of course you're free to have your own opinions, post what you want, sing whatever song you want, drink what you want, etc. I mean that sounds like you're going a bit overboard with trying to be offended for the sake of it.
I'm sorry you're offended because it looks like demands. It's definitely not demand or any manner in which way you're interpreting it. It's more so asking for a coming together of positivity and embracing that...for once.
I understand the manner of debate. I've obviously had great conversations and plenty of debate. However, in most debates, playing the obvious card ruins it. If you're looking at it from that perspective, the "Tony Khan" card cancels out any good conversation, let alone debate. Not only because it's an obvious source of pain, but my question is...does it really need to be said every single post?
Personally, Wooly, I have always enjoyed your post, and late last night I was reading the forum, and 8 out of 9 posts from you ended with some effect of Tony Khan's inabilities and how he needs to go.
Completely agree with you, but you try to have a conversation with someone who talks about the same thing as if we didn't just have a conversation about that very thing 2 minutes ago? Do you see where I'm coming from now? Preaching to the choir comes to mind, and obviously I value that sermon - but eventually, it will lose it's steam the same way Ranieri talked about passion and fight for the 15th time last week.
Quote from: filham on March 01, 2019, 06:42:30 PM
OK I accept that to keep knocking young Khan and our recruitment methods right now is not going to help the team, so for the next ten matches I will try to concentrate just on team matters, we now have to hope that somehow Scott Parker will take us down with a few fighting performances under our belt.
Come the end of the season though we will all have a lot to say about both the appointment of the next permanent manager and recruitment because we really don't want a repeat of last summer.
Without a doubt that towards the end of the season this topic will continue and will be even more in the forefront.
There is so much data on it from this forum alone that it could fill up at least 30 pages alone, possibly more.
Quote from: Baszab on March 01, 2019, 10:51:50 PM
For every match we win, my opinion on TK and the transfer policy from 26th May 2018 will improve.....
from a starting point of 0 out of 10
I made a post a while ago about whether TK can win with the fanbase ever again, and I honestly do not think so. If he relieves himself of his duties, or gets some professional help in the field, then I'm sure to most it will be good riddance.
Personally, I could see it happening only for the fact that he has admitted in an AEW interview that he doesn't sleep, is always busy, and has many things he's doing. I hope someone, or himself, sits down and points out how this is greatly affecting him and those around him - including Fulham of course. Basic fundamentals of having too much on your plate, and ending up half-doing one of them. In this world of assumptions, I would agree that he's half-done Fulham this year. He's got to let go of one of those projects, and for everyone's sake, let's hope it's Fulham. You can't blame me for hoping that just for the sake of hoping it will greatly reduce the same posts over and over again.
In a word, Matt10, No.
The debates on off pitch matters should go on regardless of what happens on the pitch. I do not want either Khan to believe, as they did last May, that the hard work is over and everything from now on can be solved by chucking money at it (Riverside development included). I want the Khans to stop playing the short game and realise what playing the long game actually means.
Look at this moment the big problem has nothing to do with TK or recruitment, it is simply how on earth is Parker going to overcome his dodgy keeper problem tomorrow, I hope Parker's mind is fully concentrated on this rathe than young Khan's short comings.
Quote from: Matt10 on March 02, 2019, 02:42:56 AM
Quote from: Twig on March 01, 2019, 11:56:32 AM
To the OP, you may consider discussions about past failings to be "mind numbing dross" and you are entitled to that opinion. I beg to differ and have equal right to my view.
Where I take exception is your faulty logic that concludes that complaining about TK means we do not believe in the players.
It's not faulty logic though. If Anguissa starts against Chelsea, do you believe in him or not? If he fails, who is to blame? Tony, right?
That has been the narrative all year: Player signed by TK fails = TK's fault.
You are right, there is faulty logic, which is why it's ironic that I have to even point that out.
Quote from: Jamie88 on March 01, 2019, 12:50:09 PM
Why do more and more people keep saying things such as "can we please stop saying x".
Everyone is entitled to their own view, and yes, some people like to bang on about the same things often and a lot, but who are you to tell someone what they can and can't say on an open forum?
So, I'm not controlling anyone's posting. I'm just putting something that shouldn't need to be in the forefront out of the way. Something has to change, what harm will it do that we lay off gossipping about things we can't control for 10 matches?
You're more than welcome to agree or disagree, hence why it is an open forum. No need to be offended for the sake of it.
Quote from: ALG01 on March 01, 2019, 12:52:34 PM
I do understand the request but unfortunately i cannot comply with your not unreasonable request.
What is about to happen now is fundamentally still a function of what TK has done or not done. Sure the players have underwhelmed and it is a chance for them to put things right and I for one am happy to wipe the slate clean and give everyone, and I mean everyone , a second chance.
Providing Parker can motivate and inspire and pick a formation that suits the squad and w perform to our best, that is all we can ask. But however good that may be, the crime that was and seems to be remaining as our transfer policy, needs to be discussed over and over. the banner at the Saints game, well it clearly hurt the owner. and he needs to be reminded how let down we feel, so sorry I will be continuing.
That is fine, you've essentially proven my point. Everyone is given a clean slate, except for Tony. Agreed. I'm just asking if we can lay off the obvious. It's obvious he's to blame. Clear as day. It's been going on since maybe our 2nd match this season?
I do not think it is unreasonable to ask us to stay focused on the positives of right now. To maybe change things up a bit, shift our focus maybe. Shift it away from this constant blame game mentality to a sense of more optimism that has obviously been felt the last couple of days.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 01, 2019, 01:32:25 PM
Great responses by people more elequant than myself to the OPs astonishing demands.
Sounds like a control freak to me.
I for one do not need to be lectured on what I can or cannot post on this board, providing of course I do not breach any rules or guidelines, this is not a communist country if I am to understand correctly.
If you do not like what you read, either debate in a civilised manner or ignore and move on.
This issue with the recruitment is cause for concern, and whilst the club sit on their hands and are seen to not do anything, then this debate will continue with the same passion as it started with.
So please no more holier than thou lectures requesting or suggesting or instructing us to withhold our opinions because it does not suit your agenda.
Hi, Wooly. A bit odd how you can just toss me aside even though we've had plenty of good discussions.
I didn't think it needed to be said, but of course you're free to have your own opinions, post what you want, sing whatever song you want, drink what you want, etc. I mean that sounds like you're going a bit overboard with trying to be offended for the sake of it.
I'm sorry you're offended because it looks like demands. It's definitely not demand or any manner in which way you're interpreting it. It's more so asking for a coming together of positivity and embracing that...for once.
I understand the manner of debate. I've obviously had great conversations and plenty of debate. However, in most debates, playing the obvious card ruins it. If you're looking at it from that perspective, the "Tony Khan" card cancels out any good conversation, let alone debate. Not only because it's an obvious source of pain, but my question is...does it really need to be said every single post?
Personally, Wooly, I have always enjoyed your post, and late last night I was reading the forum, and 8 out of 9 posts from you ended with some effect of Tony Khan's inabilities and how he needs to go.
Completely agree with you, but you try to have a conversation with someone who talks about the same thing as if we didn't just have a conversation about that very thing 2 minutes ago? Do you see where I'm coming from now? Preaching to the choir comes to mind, and obviously I value that sermon - but eventually, it will lose it's steam the same way Ranieri talked about passion and fight for the 15th time last week.
Hi Matt, I was not so much offended by what you said, just frustrated at another poster thinking they can dictate what can be discussed and what cannot be discussed.
Nothing odd about it either. You made the rules when you started this topic, surely you must have been aware that there would be a backlash, unless you underestimated the strong feelings about how the owners son has operated.
Nevertheless, I have not brushed you aside, as you feel I have. As I value your contributions, as I am sure others do. But on this occasion I could not agree, other than that no harm done I hope.
We are Fulham Supporters, and none of us want to see Fulham in this position, but sometimes human nature being what it is, we may not always agree.
So keep posting your level headed and impartial posts, you are a good man.
No, the one person mostly responible for where we are this year is Tony Khan. I will jab at him at every opportunity and all I want and thats a lot!
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 02, 2019, 01:30:58 PM
Quote from: Matt10 on March 02, 2019, 02:42:56 AM
Quote from: Twig on March 01, 2019, 11:56:32 AM
To the OP, you may consider discussions about past failings to be "mind numbing dross" and you are entitled to that opinion. I beg to differ and have equal right to my view.
Where I take exception is your faulty logic that concludes that complaining about TK means we do not believe in the players.
It's not faulty logic though. If Anguissa starts against Chelsea, do you believe in him or not? If he fails, who is to blame? Tony, right?
That has been the narrative all year: Player signed by TK fails = TK's fault.
You are right, there is faulty logic, which is why it's ironic that I have to even point that out.
Quote from: Jamie88 on March 01, 2019, 12:50:09 PM
Why do more and more people keep saying things such as "can we please stop saying x".
Everyone is entitled to their own view, and yes, some people like to bang on about the same things often and a lot, but who are you to tell someone what they can and can't say on an open forum?
So, I'm not controlling anyone's posting. I'm just putting something that shouldn't need to be in the forefront out of the way. Something has to change, what harm will it do that we lay off gossipping about things we can't control for 10 matches?
You're more than welcome to agree or disagree, hence why it is an open forum. No need to be offended for the sake of it.
Quote from: ALG01 on March 01, 2019, 12:52:34 PM
I do understand the request but unfortunately i cannot comply with your not unreasonable request.
What is about to happen now is fundamentally still a function of what TK has done or not done. Sure the players have underwhelmed and it is a chance for them to put things right and I for one am happy to wipe the slate clean and give everyone, and I mean everyone , a second chance.
Providing Parker can motivate and inspire and pick a formation that suits the squad and w perform to our best, that is all we can ask. But however good that may be, the crime that was and seems to be remaining as our transfer policy, needs to be discussed over and over. the banner at the Saints game, well it clearly hurt the owner. and he needs to be reminded how let down we feel, so sorry I will be continuing.
That is fine, you've essentially proven my point. Everyone is given a clean slate, except for Tony. Agreed. I'm just asking if we can lay off the obvious. It's obvious he's to blame. Clear as day. It's been going on since maybe our 2nd match this season?
I do not think it is unreasonable to ask us to stay focused on the positives of right now. To maybe change things up a bit, shift our focus maybe. Shift it away from this constant blame game mentality to a sense of more optimism that has obviously been felt the last couple of days.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 01, 2019, 01:32:25 PM
Great responses by people more elequant than myself to the OPs astonishing demands.
Sounds like a control freak to me.
I for one do not need to be lectured on what I can or cannot post on this board, providing of course I do not breach any rules or guidelines, this is not a communist country if I am to understand correctly.
If you do not like what you read, either debate in a civilised manner or ignore and move on.
This issue with the recruitment is cause for concern, and whilst the club sit on their hands and are seen to not do anything, then this debate will continue with the same passion as it started with.
So please no more holier than thou lectures requesting or suggesting or instructing us to withhold our opinions because it does not suit your agenda.
Hi, Wooly. A bit odd how you can just toss me aside even though we've had plenty of good discussions.
I didn't think it needed to be said, but of course you're free to have your own opinions, post what you want, sing whatever song you want, drink what you want, etc. I mean that sounds like you're going a bit overboard with trying to be offended for the sake of it.
I'm sorry you're offended because it looks like demands. It's definitely not demand or any manner in which way you're interpreting it. It's more so asking for a coming together of positivity and embracing that...for once.
I understand the manner of debate. I've obviously had great conversations and plenty of debate. However, in most debates, playing the obvious card ruins it. If you're looking at it from that perspective, the "Tony Khan" card cancels out any good conversation, let alone debate. Not only because it's an obvious source of pain, but my question is...does it really need to be said every single post?
Personally, Wooly, I have always enjoyed your post, and late last night I was reading the forum, and 8 out of 9 posts from you ended with some effect of Tony Khan's inabilities and how he needs to go.
Completely agree with you, but you try to have a conversation with someone who talks about the same thing as if we didn't just have a conversation about that very thing 2 minutes ago? Do you see where I'm coming from now? Preaching to the choir comes to mind, and obviously I value that sermon - but eventually, it will lose it's steam the same way Ranieri talked about passion and fight for the 15th time last week.
Hi Matt, I was not so much offended by what you said, just frustrated at another poster thinking they can dictate what can be discussed and what cannot be discussed.
Nothing odd about it either. You made the rules when you started this topic, surely you must have been aware that there would be a backlash, unless you underestimated the strong feelings about how the owners son has operated.
Nevertheless, I have not brushed you aside, as you feel I have. As I value your contributions, as I am sure others do. But on this occasion I could not agree, other than that no harm done I hope.
We are Fulham Supporters, and none of us want to see Fulham in this position, but sometimes human nature being what it is, we may not always agree.
So keep posting your level headed and impartial posts, you are a good man.
Thanks, Wooly, mate. My apologies of course, I never meant for it to look like I'm saying talking about TK is forbidden, it was more so an intent for us to come together towards the positivity of the recent announcements, and disregard negativity - which in this topic, is Tony Khan.
Agreed, noone wants to see Fulham in this position, let's see what the future holds starting tomorrow.
Quote from: Matt10 on March 02, 2019, 05:00:57 PM
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Quote from: Twig on March 01, 2019, 11:56:32 AM
To the OP, you may consider discussions about past failings to be "mind numbing dross" and you are entitled to that opinion. I beg to differ and have equal right to my view.
Where I take exception is your faulty logic that concludes that complaining about TK means we do not believe in the players.
It's not faulty logic though. If Anguissa starts against Chelsea, do you believe in him or not? If he fails, who is to blame? Tony, right?
That has been the narrative all year: Player signed by TK fails = TK's fault.
You are right, there is faulty logic, which is why it's ironic that I have to even point that out.
Quote from: Jamie88 on March 01, 2019, 12:50:09 PM
Why do more and more people keep saying things such as "can we please stop saying x".
Everyone is entitled to their own view, and yes, some people like to bang on about the same things often and a lot, but who are you to tell someone what they can and can't say on an open forum?
So, I'm not controlling anyone's posting. I'm just putting something that shouldn't need to be in the forefront out of the way. Something has to change, what harm will it do that we lay off gossipping about things we can't control for 10 matches?
You're more than welcome to agree or disagree, hence why it is an open forum. No need to be offended for the sake of it.
Quote from: ALG01 on March 01, 2019, 12:52:34 PM
I do understand the request but unfortunately i cannot comply with your not unreasonable request.
What is about to happen now is fundamentally still a function of what TK has done or not done. Sure the players have underwhelmed and it is a chance for them to put things right and I for one am happy to wipe the slate clean and give everyone, and I mean everyone , a second chance.
Providing Parker can motivate and inspire and pick a formation that suits the squad and w perform to our best, that is all we can ask. But however good that may be, the crime that was and seems to be remaining as our transfer policy, needs to be discussed over and over. the banner at the Saints game, well it clearly hurt the owner. and he needs to be reminded how let down we feel, so sorry I will be continuing.
That is fine, you've essentially proven my point. Everyone is given a clean slate, except for Tony. Agreed. I'm just asking if we can lay off the obvious. It's obvious he's to blame. Clear as day. It's been going on since maybe our 2nd match this season?
I do not think it is unreasonable to ask us to stay focused on the positives of right now. To maybe change things up a bit, shift our focus maybe. Shift it away from this constant blame game mentality to a sense of more optimism that has obviously been felt the last couple of days.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 01, 2019, 01:32:25 PM
Great responses by people more elequant than myself to the OPs astonishing demands.
Sounds like a control freak to me.
I for one do not need to be lectured on what I can or cannot post on this board, providing of course I do not breach any rules or guidelines, this is not a communist country if I am to understand correctly.
If you do not like what you read, either debate in a civilised manner or ignore and move on.
This issue with the recruitment is cause for concern, and whilst the club sit on their hands and are seen to not do anything, then this debate will continue with the same passion as it started with.
So please no more holier than thou lectures requesting or suggesting or instructing us to withhold our opinions because it does not suit your agenda.
Hi, Wooly. A bit odd how you can just toss me aside even though we've had plenty of good discussions.
I didn't think it needed to be said, but of course you're free to have your own opinions, post what you want, sing whatever song you want, drink what you want, etc. I mean that sounds like you're going a bit overboard with trying to be offended for the sake of it.
I'm sorry you're offended because it looks like demands. It's definitely not demand or any manner in which way you're interpreting it. It's more so asking for a coming together of positivity and embracing that...for once.
I understand the manner of debate. I've obviously had great conversations and plenty of debate. However, in most debates, playing the obvious card ruins it. If you're looking at it from that perspective, the "Tony Khan" card cancels out any good conversation, let alone debate. Not only because it's an obvious source of pain, but my question is...does it really need to be said every single post?
Personally, Wooly, I have always enjoyed your post, and late last night I was reading the forum, and 8 out of 9 posts from you ended with some effect of Tony Khan's inabilities and how he needs to go.
Completely agree with you, but you try to have a conversation with someone who talks about the same thing as if we didn't just have a conversation about that very thing 2 minutes ago? Do you see where I'm coming from now? Preaching to the choir comes to mind, and obviously I value that sermon - but eventually, it will lose it's steam the same way Ranieri talked about passion and fight for the 15th time last week.
Hi Matt, I was not so much offended by what you said, just frustrated at another poster thinking they can dictate what can be discussed and what cannot be discussed.
Nothing odd about it either. You made the rules when you started this topic, surely you must have been aware that there would be a backlash, unless you underestimated the strong feelings about how the owners son has operated.
Nevertheless, I have not brushed you aside, as you feel I have. As I value your contributions, as I am sure others do. But on this occasion I could not agree, other than that no harm done I hope.
We are Fulham Supporters, and none of us want to see Fulham in this position, but sometimes human nature being what it is, we may not always agree.
So keep posting your level headed and impartial posts, you are a good man.
Thanks, Wooly, mate. My apologies of course, I never meant for it to look like I'm saying talking about TK is forbidden, it was more so an intent for us to come together towards the positivity of the recent announcements, and disregard negativity - which in this topic, is Tony Khan.
Agreed, noone wants to see Fulham in this position, let's see what the future holds starting tomorrow.
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If we win the next ten games then that surely means TKs recruitment was actually successful and it was the previous coaches who were at fault,and he actually did a good job !!.
Quote from: colinwhite on March 02, 2019, 06:42:12 PM
If we win the next ten games then that surely means TKs recruitment was actually successful and it was the previous coaches who were at fault,and he actually did a good job !!.
and the dish ran away with the spoon.
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 02, 2019, 06:49:10 PM
Quote from: colinwhite on March 02, 2019, 06:42:12 PM
If we win the next ten games then that surely means TKs recruitment was actually successful and it was the previous coaches who were at fault,and he actually did a good job !!.
and the dish ran away with the spoon.
CLASSIC LOL!
Not as funny as the original quote ,who would still blame TK for everything anyway.
This is almost entirely at the feet of Tony Khan and nobody on here is going to tell me what I can or cannot say about it.
Quote from: colinwhite on March 02, 2019, 07:53:43 PM
Not as funny as the original quote ,who would still blame TK for everything anyway.
That's because TK is to blame. Even my Pet Hamster can see that, because he told me
Afraid like Politics Fulham fandom is easily swept into a few opinions and if you go against them then lo and behold the insults coming your way. Still the players coming in were not necessarily the wrong players. But we needed a few right players in the right positions more. But that is by the by. Or is it bye the bye? Neither coach had an idea how to solve the problem of a defence that never existed and would struggle in any league. But we need somebody to blame and hate. It makes our little brains feel better.
But the lack of heart and passion. The look of confusion on the players faces will forever be a mystery to me. No Coach should send a team out that looks that unprepared each week.
Good post Ligthouse.
Quote from: Lighthouse on March 02, 2019, 09:30:00 PM
Afraid like Politics Fulham fandom is easily swept into a few opinions and if you go against them then lo and behold the insults coming your way. Still the players coming in were not necessarily the wrong players. But we needed a few right players in the right positions more. But that is by the by. Or is it bye the bye? Neither coach had an idea how to solve the problem of a defence that never existed and would struggle in any league. But we need somebody to blame and hate. It makes our little brains feel better.
But the lack of heart and passion. The look of confusion on the players faces will forever be a mystery to me. No Coach should send a team out that looks that unprepared each week.
Hmmm, some deep thinking here Lighthouse
So can Scotty "correct" the lack heart & passion, the look of confusion on the players faces & send a team out that is prepared?
We (& Scotty I'm sure) certainly hope so
Not long to find out tomorrow
Come on Fulham, re discover St Elmo's fire from last season
COYW!!!
Matt, given the responses, it was a very good thought provoking post. We all seem to dwell on the recent past for too long when change takes place. It is being Fulham.
