Anybody know how he is getting on in Turkey ?
I'm guessing he can't be setting the world alight as I haven't seen a single post saying "we should have kept hold of him" hours after he scores another brace,
Need him to score so that we can make a profit in the summer,
And no I don't want him back at Fulham, we can do so much better than Kamara next season.
I found myself wondering the same thing last night. From what I could find:
1 sub appearance in the league (of 28 mins), 1 sub appearance in the Turkish cup (of 19 mins), no goals, 1 yellow card.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/aboubakar-kamara/leistungsdaten/spieler/290951
Edit: currently injured.
I would have him back for the Championship.
Unless we get big money for him.
Quote from: ffcne on March 06, 2019, 03:36:05 PM
I would have him back for the Championship.
Unless we get big money for him.
:plus one:
AK47 is as good as Adama Traore and he had a great impact in the Championship.
He was a casualty of Ranieri's crap man management. I'd love to see him back in our shirt next year.
When we hit next season in championship, we need to address the complete lack of pace in our lineup if we want to be successful. Full backs to start and AK or something similar on at least one wing. Theres no way we'll get anywhere near playoffs without it.
Quote from: ByTheRiver on March 06, 2019, 03:13:23 PM
I found myself wondering the same thing last night. From what I could find:
1 sub appearance in the league (of 28 mins), 1 sub appearance in the Turkish cup (of 19 mins), no goals, 1 yellow card.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/aboubakar-kamara/leistungsdaten/spieler/290951
Edit: currently injured.
The Turkish transfer record won't be getting broken with those figures.
Quote from: FFC1987 on March 06, 2019, 03:49:53 PM
When we hit next season in championship, we need to address the complete lack of pace in our lineup if we want to be successful. Full backs to start and AK or something similar on at least one wing. Theres no way we'll get anywhere near playoffs without it.
Obviously, but we can do better than a headless chicken that's a non team player with a stinking attitude.
Quote from: Statto on March 06, 2019, 03:46:59 PM
AK47 is as good as Adama Traore and he had a great impact in the Championship.
He was a casualty of Ranieri's crap man management. I'd love to see him back in our shirt next year.
Disagree with this.
Quote from: Statto on March 06, 2019, 03:46:59 PM
AK47 is as good as Adama Traore and he had a great impact in the Championship.
He was a casualty of Ranieri's crap man management. I'd love to see him back in our shirt next year.
If as good as Traore you mean both got pace & strength & very little end product then I totally agree.
Seen enough of Kamara thanks, people talk about him as if hes a 19 year old kid , he's 24 & players don't suddenly become clinical or gain composure overnight.
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on March 06, 2019, 04:09:31 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 06, 2019, 03:46:59 PM
AK47 is as good as Adama Traore and he had a great impact in the Championship.
He was a casualty of Ranieri's crap man management. I'd love to see him back in our shirt next year.
If as good as Traore you mean both got pace & strength & very little end product then I totally agree.
Seen enough of Kamara thanks, people talk about him as if hes a 19 year old kid , he's 24 & players don't suddenly become clinical or gain composure overnight.
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Quote from: Riversider on March 06, 2019, 04:01:47 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on March 06, 2019, 03:49:53 PM
When we hit next season in championship, we need to address the complete lack of pace in our lineup if we want to be successful. Full backs to start and AK or something similar on at least one wing. Theres no way we'll get anywhere near playoffs without it.
Obviously, but we can do better than a headless chicken that's a non team player with a stinking attitude.
I mean, with all due respect, we didn't really do better in terms of addressing pace and full backs in the last few windows so I'm not convinced we are capable.....especially less so with lack of EPL pulling power.
It is all but certain that both Mitrovic and Babel will be away at the end of the season along with Schurrle. We will be in need of at least two strikers and there would be a place for someone with Kamara's pace and strength.
However I would think his attitude will not be welcomed again at the Cottage and we will need to sign strikers to replace both AK and Mitrovic, this is going to be difficult and we are unlikely to find players of equal standard.
Yes, I have deliberately overlooked Fonte, thinking about that option depresses me into thoughts of division 1.
He isn't the answer but the recruitment was spot on. Even now we are crying out for someone like that to support Mitro or take the heat off Mitro, supplying pace and strength in abundance.
Obviously as I say, he's not the answer, I doubt the scouting included checking for a footballing brain or a temper
Quote from: Statto on March 06, 2019, 03:46:59 PM
AK47 is as good as Adama Traore and he had a great impact in the Championship.
He was a casualty of Ranieri's crap man management. I'd love to see him back in our shirt next year.
Me too. Find him very entertaining to watch.
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on March 06, 2019, 04:09:31 PM
If as good as Traore you mean both got pace & strength & very little end product then I totally agree.
Yes that is exactly what mean. Neither will ever be world class but both are capable of getting goals/assists in the chsmpionship, as Traore showed last season and as kamara has shown on occassion.
Let's not forgot he was in the starting XI of the Wembley team, on merit
And I think you're being harsh about his age. As of today he is 23 and I'm sure a player that age can still improve over 6-12 month periods
Glad to see the back of him Frankly. (And Carborundum, entertaining in a circus clown way I agree but not as a footballer)
Sorry but at 23 he has to be more than just a raw semi talented player with a poor attitude. Sure he has some strengths but they don't add up to enough of a rounded player. It's a no for me.
I guess if Scott Parker gets the managers job at the end of the season whether or not to bring Kamara back will be an early decision for him to make.
Quote from: Statto on March 06, 2019, 05:04:22 PM
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on March 06, 2019, 04:09:31 PM
If as good as Traore you mean both got pace & strength & very little end product then I totally agree.
Yes that is exactly what mean. Neither will ever be world class but both are capable of getting goals/assists in the chsmpionship, as Traore showed last season and as kamara has shown on occassion.
Let's not forgot he was in the starting XI of the Wembley team, on merit
And I think you're being harsh about his age. As of today he is 23 and I'm sure a player that age can still improve over 6-12 month periods
If SP or whoever can get his head straight, he would be a big asset jn the championship.
Quote from: MikeW on March 06, 2019, 05:53:17 PM
Glad to see the back of him Frankly. (And Carborundum, entertaining in a circus clown way I agree but not as a footballer)
For the avoidance of any doubt, I don't think he's a clown. He entertains me as a footballer.
For me he has shown he does not play within the framework of the team.
Therefore, I feel he is too much of a risk with his lack of maturity and petulance, as well as his ill discipline.
I don't understand how so many on this forum sing the praises of AK, who, in my opinion is crap, and yet week after week Odoi, a true professional who has been our most consistent player this season, gets slaughtered for his 'mistakes', which are all subjective anyway. Are we that desperate, that we need to make a hero out of a complete bellend?
Quote from: Statto on March 06, 2019, 05:04:22 PM
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on March 06, 2019, 04:09:31 PM
If as good as Traore you mean both got pace & strength & very little end product then I totally agree.
Yes that is exactly what mean. Neither will ever be world class but both are capable of getting goals/assists in the chsmpionship, as Traore showed last season and as kamara has shown on occassion.
Let's not forgot he was in the starting XI of the Wembley team, on merit
And I think you're being harsh about his age. As of today he is 23 and I'm sure a player that age can still improve over 6-12 month periods
And as of tomorrow hes 24
Quote from: New Kid on the Block on March 06, 2019, 07:22:13 PM
I don't understand how so many on this forum sing the praises of AK, who, in my opinion is crap, and yet week after week Odoi, a true professional who has been our most consistent player this season, gets slaughtered for his 'mistakes', which are all subjective anyway. Are we that desperate, that we need to make a hero out of a complete bellend?
Do you not spot the irony to your post....
Quote from: Jims Dentist on March 06, 2019, 06:27:49 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 06, 2019, 05:04:22 PM
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on March 06, 2019, 04:09:31 PM
If as good as Traore you mean both got pace & strength & very little end product then I totally agree.
Yes that is exactly what mean. Neither will ever be world class but both are capable of getting goals/assists in the chsmpionship, as Traore showed last season and as kamara has shown on occassion.
Let's not forgot he was in the starting XI of the Wembley team, on merit
And I think you're being harsh about his age. As of today he is 23 and I'm sure a player that age can still improve over 6-12 month periods
If SP or whoever can get his head straight, he would be a big asset jn the championship.
Nobody will be able to get his head straight except AK himself. Why should it be up to someone else to get his head straight anyway? You either have the right attitude or you don't and never will. Two Aussie tennis players immediately spring to mind... Kyrgios and Tomic.
The sort of values and attitude we expect are instilled in an individual at an early age. Trying to swing that around 180 degrees at the age of 23 is nigh on impossible in my opinion. It's a big no from me.
Quote from: the nutflush on March 06, 2019, 09:36:36 PM
The sort of values and attitude we expect are instilled in an individual at an early age. Trying to swing that around 180 degrees at the age of 23 is nigh on impossible in my opinion. It's a big no from me.
What the those values though?
If we expect bravery, passion and commitment, well plenty of our better players could learn a lot from Kamara?
The late header he scored against Boro was the best example I've ever seen of a player getting there because they wanted it more than anyone else on the pitch. How many goals and points have we lost this season because we didn't want it as much as the opposition?
Yes he showed a lack of composure and respect with the penalty incident. But it doesn't make him Vlad the Impaler. It was a mistake for which the rest of the squad was prepared to forgive him, and I'm convinced that had someone like Jokanovic or Parker been manager, it would never have happened anyway.
He's selfish. That's a quality that is a recipe for disaster in a struggling team. He sulks like a five year old kid every time he gets subbed. The penalty incident was an embarrassment and he's a walking red card. God help us if we are relying on him next season because he has shown thus season that you just can't rely on him. No magic words in his ear from a manager will turn it around.
I'm not sure what to make of him. As for the personal issues none of those under SJ, all came out under CR in a couple of weeks of each other. Was it anything to do with his management style? He has pace and power, looked to be getting better under SJ and worse under CR.
Quote from: the nutflush on March 07, 2019, 04:27:51 AM
he's a walking red card
Based on?
Him getting 1 red for us which was rescinded on appeal?
Maybe you are confusing him with Mitrovic who had a terrible disciplinary record prior to joining Fulham
Quote from: Riversider on March 06, 2019, 04:01:47 PM
....but we can do better than a headless chicken that's a non team player with a stinking attitude.
For sure you can always better an existing player in almost any best fit scenario but finding the better fit is a bit of a headache for most recruitment regimes.
As for your other personal judgements I am surprised a poster like you allowed the none too clever FFC PR machine to get through to you TBH....
Quote from: the nutflush on March 06, 2019, 09:34:12 PM
Quote from: Jims Dentist on March 06, 2019, 06:27:49 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 06, 2019, 05:04:22 PM
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on March 06, 2019, 04:09:31 PM
If as good as Traore you mean both got pace & strength & very little end product then I totally agree.
Yes that is exactly what mean. Neither will ever be world class but both are capable of getting goals/assists in the chsmpionship, as Traore showed last season and as kamara has shown on occassion.
Let's not forgot he was in the starting XI of the Wembley team, on merit
And I think you're being harsh about his age. As of today he is 23 and I'm sure a player that age can still improve over 6-12 month periods
If SP or whoever can get his head straight, he would be a big asset jn the championship.
Nobody will be able to get his head straight except AK himself. Why should it be up to someone else to get his head straight anyway? You either have the right attitude or you don't and never will. Two Aussie tennis players immediately spring to mind... Kyrgios and Tomic.
Do you believe that no one can ever improve, so we may as well just write them off for good as soon as they have messed something up? Seems like a depressing view of others.
Self control is not difficult and I'm a fan of AK,but you need self control.
Will not be back playing for us
Why do people keep going on about him?
He caused trouble with the penalty,yoga session,and again with the security, on top of that average player with no football brain....Agh but some posters would rather have him than Mitro... Hilarious.
Quote from: MJG on March 07, 2019, 09:12:56 AM
Will not be back playing for us
There speaks the mouthpiece of Alistair Mackintosh
We should do a poll as to who fans would rather see here next season - AK or AM
And/or let the two of them try to explain what value they each add for the club
Quote from: Statto on March 07, 2019, 09:24:19 AM
Quote from: MJG on March 07, 2019, 09:12:56 AM
Will not be back playing for us
There speaks the mouthpiece of Alistair Mackintosh
We should do a poll as to who fans would rather see here next season - AK or AM
And/or let the two of them try to explain what value they each add for the club
How about one for Mitro or Ak.
You'd lose out there wouldn't you mouthpiece.😎
Quote from: Statto on March 07, 2019, 09:24:19 AM
Quote from: MJG on March 07, 2019, 09:12:56 AM
Will not be back playing for us
There speaks the mouthpiece of Alistair Mackintosh
We should do a poll as to who fans would rather see here next season - AK or AM
And/or let the two of them try to explain what value they each add for the club
So its fine for others to say he wont be back but not to me. You all win.
Quote from: Statto on March 07, 2019, 09:24:19 AM
Quote from: MJG on March 07, 2019, 09:12:56 AM
Will not be back playing for us
There speaks the mouthpiece of Alistair Mackintosh
We should do a poll as to who fans would rather see here next season - AK or AM
And/or let the two of them try to explain what value they each add for the club
As though the club would pay any attention to it,so what would be the point?
That some of you wet your pants over an average player.😝
Quote from: MJG on March 07, 2019, 09:30:56 AM
Quote from: Statto on March 07, 2019, 09:24:19 AM
Quote from: MJG on March 07, 2019, 09:12:56 AM
Will not be back playing for us
There speaks the mouthpiece of Alistair Mackintosh
We should do a poll as to who fans would rather see here next season - AK or AM
And/or let the two of them try to explain what value they each add for the club
So its fine for others to say he wont be back but not to me. You all win.
There is a difference between giving an opinion on whether he should be back, and stating as fact that he's not coming back
Unless I've misunderstood you, your post, unlike others, appears to be the latter
And ultimately with Ranieri gone, that would only come from Mackintosh
And as we've argued/discussed, there's IMO a pattern of you posting comments that would only be derived from Mackintosh, Tony Khan and that small circle - anti-Jokanovic, anti-Kamara... (which I accept you dispute of course, fair enough)
That's all I'm saying
I am still waiting for Sir Craven of Cottage to head back to where he belongs.
Quote from: MJG on March 07, 2019, 09:12:56 AM
Will not be back playing for us
Is this your opinion, or you being ITK, MJG? I don't really expect an answer to that but the question should be allowed to float in the air to allow me to indulge a little.
I would have said before Ranieri's dismissal that my thinking was that nobody was 'playing for us', except, perhaps, Denis Odoi, who I would guess would 'play' for just about anybody and as many times per day as he could manage before collapse. But I guess 'the playing for us' is now resolved, or at least to a degree, under the broader minded Mr Parker.
The true inference of an 'ITK' posting about Kamara's circumstances would suggest that team managers at FFC do not always decide who can and can't play out of the registered list of players and I wonder how often such a CEO imposed regime has impacted upon team selections in the Khan era or even before it. Is it part of the CEO's contract?
Do many CEO's determine, outside the game's normal rules and regulations, whether a player can play or not as the case may be rather than entrusting someone coaching and managing the team to make that decision in accordance with their job description? I could see it being as issue, for example, when a player may be prevented from being cup tied during the January windows since it could affect a proposed transfer but are there, or, have there been, other occasions where a player must or must not be played as a direction from the CEO?
The CEO is, of course, fully aware of employment law in the UK, and how the treatment of AK could be construed in such a venue and, will, of course, have taken legal counsel on this matter before making such a public domain 'ITK' situation become possible, if, indeed, it is 'ITK'. I am just being cautiously curious and keen not to have another huge weight drop on FFC.
Exactly Toshes Mate, great point. Sort of what i was getting at but you've articulated it better
It should be the manager's decision in the summer, and since we don't know who the manager will be, no one should be able to say (with any confidence) that he will not be back playing for us
If we can get any reasonable kind of fee for AK I think we should sell. I am aware of his qualities but personally feel the negatives outweigh the positives.
Sadly can't see us getting a fee for Ali Mac, unfortunately 😂
Was Kamara separated at birth from PSG's Marega?
Tbf, I'd have thought a player who was arrested after assaulting one of our security guards, will not be playing for us again.
Unbelievable that some people want this guy back. How dysfunctional does he have to be before people realise what a liability he is?
Quote from: the nutflush on March 07, 2019, 12:13:08 PM
Unbelievable that some people want this guy back. How dysfunctional does he have to be before people realise what a liability he is?
Maybe it is as simple as some people assuming that whether he is too dysfunctional or not is better assessed by those that are directly involved, like the players/coaches etc? If you think like that, things doesn't tend to be so unbelievable.
Quote from: Jamie88 on March 07, 2019, 11:59:08 AM
Tbf, I'd have thought a player who was arrested after assaulting one of our security guards, will not be playing for us again.
He was arrested
on suspicion of ABH and criminal damage and since he was on private property at the time that is normal procedure. He was released without charge.
No doubt all the incidents we can read about on here, have been properly investigated, dealt with, and signed off by a senior official at the Club as is required by employment legislation. The option to simply 'never play him again, no matter what' would not be a clever option no matter what anyone may think of AK's demeanour, ability, or fitness to wear the shirt. He may need better management than he received in the more recent past but that is not entirely his fault, especially if you recall the times people on here couldn't wait for him to be on the pitch wearing the shirt.
There have been far too many mistakes made by FFC in the most recent past for there not to be a common thread in all of this and, IMO, circumstances most certainly didn't change for the better when AK disappeared to Turkey.
Quote from: toshes mate on March 07, 2019, 12:46:55 PM
Quote from: Jamie88 on March 07, 2019, 11:59:08 AM
Tbf, I'd have thought a player who was arrested after assaulting one of our security guards, will not be playing for us again.
He was arrested on suspicion of ABH and criminal damage and since he was on private property at the time that is normal procedure. He was released without charge.
No doubt all the incidents we can read about on here, have been properly investigated, dealt with, and signed off by a senior official at the Club as is required by employment legislation. The option to simply 'never play him again, no matter what' would not be a clever option no matter what anyone may think of AK's demeanour, ability, or fitness to wear the shirt. He may need better management than he received in the more recent past but that is not entirely his fault, especially if you recall the times people on here couldn't wait for him to be on the pitch wearing the shirt.
There have been far too many mistakes made by FFC in the most recent past for there not to be a common thread in all of this and, IMO, circumstances most certainly didn't change for the better when AK disappeared to Turkey.
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Quote from: Twig on March 07, 2019, 03:59:46 PM
Sorry Statto but that is nonsense.
Care to elaborate?
(eg which part is nonsense? Why is it nonsense? And What has AM done to get your vote?)
Quote from: Statto on March 07, 2019, 04:01:18 PM
Quote from: Twig on March 07, 2019, 03:59:46 PM
Sorry Statto but that is nonsense.
Care to elaborate?
(eg which part is nonsense? Why is it nonsense? And What has AM done to get your vote?)
Taking Mike's comment so literally. All of us give an unconditional opinion occasionally and that's what he seems to have done. Harassed like "that's never going to happen" as opposed to "imo that is unlikely to happen". If you wanted to check whether his comment implied more certain knowledge rather than a strong opinion why not ask rather than throw a cheap jibe at him. Mike has worked tirelessly for the supporters through the trust over the years and it just seems to me he deserves better .
Quote from: Twig on March 07, 2019, 04:06:59 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 07, 2019, 04:01:18 PM
Quote from: Twig on March 07, 2019, 03:59:46 PM
Sorry Statto but that is nonsense.
Care to elaborate?
(eg which part is nonsense? Why is it nonsense? And What has AM done to get your vote?)
Taking Mike's comment so literally. All of us give an unconditional opinion occasionally and that's what he seems to have done. Harassed like "that's never going to happen" as opposed to "imo that is unlikely to happen". If you wanted to check whether his comment implied more certain knowledge rather than a strong opinion why not ask rather than throw a cheap jibe at him. Mike has worked tirelessly for the supporters through the trust over the years and it just seems to me he deserves better .
I'd say I agree with about 99% of what MJG posts on here but I'll admit, I read it was an ITK comment that he definitively won't be coming back so its a non issue. I have no idea how he meant it or whether he wrote it in a rush or whether I just read too much into it, but that's my take without being frosty about it either way.
Quote from: FFC1987 on March 07, 2019, 04:23:42 PM
Quote from: Twig on March 07, 2019, 04:06:59 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 07, 2019, 04:01:18 PM
Quote from: Twig on March 07, 2019, 03:59:46 PM
Sorry Statto but that is nonsense.
Care to elaborate?
(eg which part is nonsense? Why is it nonsense? And What has AM done to get your vote?)
Taking Mike's comment so literally. All of us give an unconditional opinion occasionally and that's what he seems to have done. Harassed like "that's never going to happen" as opposed to "imo that is unlikely to happen". If you wanted to check whether his comment implied more certain knowledge rather than a strong opinion why not ask rather than throw a cheap jibe at him. Mike has worked tirelessly for the supporters through the trust over the years and it just seems to me he deserves better .
I'd say I agree with about 99% of what MJG posts on here but I'll admit, I read it was an ITK comment that he definitively won't be coming back so its a non issue. I have no idea how he meant it or whether he wrote it in a rush or whether I just read too much into it, but that's my take without being frosty about it either way.
Funny, I read it as his firm opinion not as a fact. I can see where the difference comes from tho' either which way. I really don't like to see Statto or MJG have a pop at each other, as I have plenty of time for both of their views (not that I always agree with them)
I really don't like to see Statto or MJG have a pop at each other, as I have plenty of time for both of their views (not that I always agree with them)
Totally agree Snarks
Quote from: snarks on March 07, 2019, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: FFC1987 on March 07, 2019, 04:23:42 PM
Quote from: Twig on March 07, 2019, 04:06:59 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 07, 2019, 04:01:18 PM
Quote from: Twig on March 07, 2019, 03:59:46 PM
Sorry Statto but that is nonsense.
Care to elaborate?
(eg which part is nonsense? Why is it nonsense? And What has AM done to get your vote?)
Taking Mike's comment so literally. All of us give an unconditional opinion occasionally and that's what he seems to have done. Harassed like "that's never going to happen" as opposed to "imo that is unlikely to happen". If you wanted to check whether his comment implied more certain knowledge rather than a strong opinion why not ask rather than throw a cheap jibe at him. Mike has worked tirelessly for the supporters through the trust over the years and it just seems to me he deserves better .
I'd say I agree with about 99% of what MJG posts on here but I'll admit, I read it was an ITK comment that he definitively won't be coming back so its a non issue. I have no idea how he meant it or whether he wrote it in a rush or whether I just read too much into it, but that's my take without being frosty about it either way.
Funny, I read it as his firm opinion not as a fact. I can see where the difference comes from tho' either which way. I really don't like to see Statto or MJG have a pop at each other, as I have plenty of time for both of their views (not that I always agree with them)
yeh, agreed, as I said, I could of totally misread that but that was my initial interpretation.
Quote from: Twig on March 07, 2019, 04:06:59 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 07, 2019, 04:01:18 PM
Quote from: Twig on March 07, 2019, 03:59:46 PM
Sorry Statto but that is nonsense.
Care to elaborate?
(eg which part is nonsense? Why is it nonsense? And What has AM done to get your vote?)
Taking Mike's comment so literally. All of us give an unconditional opinion occasionally and that's what he seems to have done. Harassed like "that's never going to happen" as opposed to "imo that is unlikely to happen". If you wanted to check whether his comment implied more certain knowledge rather than a strong opinion why not ask rather than throw a cheap jibe at him. Mike has worked tirelessly for the supporters through the trust over the years and it just seems to me he deserves better .
OK fine. Although in fairness, it is expressed as fact (as it was on another thread this morning), MJG hasn't (yet) disputed that interpretation, and I caveated my second comment above "unless I've misinterpreted". And whilst I agree with your comments about MJG's background, that is part of the reason I'd be more likely to treat the comment as ITK derived from FFC senior mgmt. But yes if it was opinion then my initial reply was misplaced.
Cool, glad that's all settled. Mike, now we need to know whether you statement was indeed a strong opinion or fact. Come on, you can't let that hang in the air!
Personally from a footballing perspective I would want him back, because his pace and strength in the championship is priceless and as pointed out, he started the biggest game of our recent history on merit and at times made the Villa defence look silly. That being said I can understand if he never plays for us again, he did go a step too far from what was reported in the press, so unless they've overstated it and FFC are happy to bring him back into the team, I'll support the club's decision either way.
If he does leave though, we need a player of his ilk because if last season showed anything, Traore and Kamara (or Dan James at Swansea this season), players who are stupidly fast can cause carnage to teams and that's what we need to be successful.
Agreed. Think bridges will have been burned but huge shame as he was about to break into our Prem team and could've really kicked on from there.
Loss for all parties involved him moving to Turkey.
I don't think he will be back playing for us, because when he was shipped out on loan after being arrested, he was in the squad often featuring in games, and I was sad to see him go-
but he disappeared from view immediately, which makes me think people in charge at Fulham don't want him around the club, and maybe the players don't either- but I don't know if that's the case or not.
Quote from: RaySmith on March 08, 2019, 09:09:33 AM
I don't think he will be back playing for us, because when he was shipped out on loan after being arrested, he was in the squad often featuring in games, and I was sad to see him go-
but he disappeared from view immediately, which makes me think people in charge at Fulham don't want him around the club, and maybe the players don't either- but I don't know if that's the case or not.
Interesting point. It is lazy practice for 'people-in-charge' to try to eliminate a 'divisive or disruptive influence' without addressing the self examination essential to answering the question 'How are we managing?'. That assumes the ability to self-examine and be pragmatic in doing so. I am really unsure that FFC's upper echelons could be entrusted to self examine at any level, let alone be pragmatic.
Well, I'm not saying they were right or not. As I said I was sad, and surprised considering he featured in the first team quite regularly, and did seem to offer something other players did not, but he way he disappeared from view so suddenly make me inclined to think he will not be returning.
Personally, I don't know enough about the situation and the relationship of AK with the staff and players at Fulham to comment about whether they are right to get rid of him - and maybe he will return from loan to play for us again, but I was just saying that I didn't think it looked like he would.
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on March 06, 2019, 04:09:31 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 06, 2019, 03:46:59 PM
AK47 is as good as Adama Traore and he had a great impact in the Championship.
He was a casualty of Ranieri's crap man management. I'd love to see him back in our shirt next year.
If as good as Traore you mean both got pace & strength & very little end product then I totally agree.
Seen enough of Kamara thanks, people talk about him as if hes a 19 year old kid , he's 24 & players don't suddenly become clinical or gain composure overnight.
I'll take that from you and give you Zamora and Dempsey. Zamora had no end product albeit did a lot for the team, his anger and lack of appreciation by the fans, when channelled turned him into a 20+ goal striker just the season after - he was older than 24 when he joined us. Dempsey, for a lot of the time he was with us was a bit part player and whilst he had a knack for scoring timely and important goals, he had a poor first touch and lost the ball quite a bit. He scored the goal against Juve (don't forget he didn't hold down a starting berth in that season and came on from the bench for that game), had one good and consistent season the season after and then went to Tottenham.
Wow !
Kamara isnt fit to lace the boots of either Zamora or Dempsey, not sure he even deserves to be in the same discussion as them.
Quote from: Riversider on March 08, 2019, 05:35:57 PM
Wow !
Kamara isnt fit to lace the boots of either Zamora or Dempsey, not sure he even deserves to be in the same discussion as them.
Zamora is in no position to be picky about who laces his boots. His finishing was crap during most of his time at Fulham and on the rare occasions he scored, he "celebrated" by abusing his own fans with the cupped ear.
I will take Dempsey and Zamora every day of the week. Gee whiz I can't believe AK is even being mentioned in the same sentence. Some people forget quickly don't they?
Quote from: the nutflush on March 08, 2019, 09:02:59 PM
I will take Dempsey and Zamora every day of the week. Gee whiz I can't believe AK is even being mentioned in the same sentence. Some people forget quickly don't they?
Way to completely miss the point. It's easy to be smart after the fact isn't it?
Quote from: General on March 08, 2019, 04:18:45 PM
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on March 06, 2019, 04:09:31 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 06, 2019, 03:46:59 PM
AK47 is as good as Adama Traore and he had a great impact in the Championship.
He was a casualty of Ranieri's crap man management. I'd love to see him back in our shirt next year.
If as good as Traore you mean both got pace & strength & very little end product then I totally agree.
Seen enough of Kamara thanks, people talk about him as if hes a 19 year old kid , he's 24 & players don't suddenly become clinical or gain composure overnight.
I'll take that from you and give you Zamora and Dempsey. Zamora had no end product albeit did a lot for the team, his anger and lack of appreciation by the fans, when channelled turned him into a 20+ goal striker just the season after - he was older than 24 when he joined us. Dempsey, for a lot of the time he was with us was a bit part player and whilst he had a knack for scoring timely and important goals, he had a poor first touch and lost the ball quite a bit. He scored the goal against Juve (don't forget he didn't hold down a starting berth in that season and came on from the bench for that game), had one good and consistent season the season after and then went to Tottenham.
IIRC, Dempsey had played 70 minutes against United in the same week, and had our best chances, not to mention suffering a black eye. That United match was also his first after being injured - same with Danny Murphy.
I'd gladly take someone like Dempsey vs Kamara. He played with a chip on his shoulder just how he had done even before playing for Fulham. Take it from someone who has followed him since his college days at Furman.
Kamara may or may not return, but his attitude, in general, was poor this season and leading up to his loan. The dramatic phoenix rising from the ashes instead of showing he's caring about the team, it just created elements of selfishness that was not necessary this year. I have zero sympathies for Kamara even though I like him as a player. I don't think he'll be returning, but if he does, he needs to prove he's in for the club and not just himself.
Quote from: Statto on March 08, 2019, 07:57:24 PM
Quote from: Riversider on March 08, 2019, 05:35:57 PM
Wow !
Kamara isnt fit to lace the boots of either Zamora or Dempsey, not sure he even deserves to be in the same discussion as them.
Zamora is in no position to be picky about who laces his boots. His finishing was crap during most of his time at Fulham and on the rare occasions he scored, he "celebrated" by abusing his own fans with the cupped ear.
Some angry people on here isn't there.
My view is that BZ was, for a short period in "that" season, nearly unplayable. Other than that, his hold up was the best I have ever seen in a FFC shirt. At this stage in his career, BZ had scored close to 150 goals compared to AK's 28.
I dont want to be too cruel on AK but I'm sure there is a player with a worse touch that has played for FFC but I cannot think of them just at this time.
I am pretty sure that he is the player with the worst spatial awareness I have seen in a FFC shirt.
I believe he will end up in the equavalent of the 3rd tier of English football and be a hit. This will be entirely down to his passion, speed and strength.
I can't even comment on the comparison between AK and Dempsey because I'd feel I'd let myself down.
OK, just whilst I'm here. You do know that Deuce scored in three world cups and was voted by both Fox & ESPN the best ever American footballer.
He played 140 internationals and scored over 50 international goals.
The one thing I will say for AK is that, its his 25th birthday tomorrow. So, I'll leave it that
Quote from: Statto on March 06, 2019, 03:46:59 PM
AK47 is as good as Adama Traore and he had a great impact in the Championship.
He was a casualty of Ranieri's crap man management. I'd love to see him back in our shirt next year.
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Zamora and Dempsey realized they were proffesionalls
AK completely wrong attitude which is his loss I feel for him and Fulham.
Sorry but this is not even a meaningful discussion. AK is yet to achieve anything of note, has demonstrated a shocking attitude on several occasions and is yet to demonstrate some of the basic footballing abilities. Dempsey; a seasoned professional and a success at prem and international level, BZ; irritating yes, but sublime hold up play and a season as a world class striker.
Quote from: 70sPimlico on March 08, 2019, 09:27:10 PM
OK, just whilst I'm here. You do know that Deuce scored in three world cups and was voted by both Fox & ESPN the best ever American footballer.
He played 140 internationals and scored over 50 international goals.
The one thing I will say for AK is that, its his 25th birthday tomorrow. So, I'll leave it that
Not sure why you mentioned Dempsey in reply to my post which didn't mention him at all... Although since you've brought it up, "Best ever American footballer"? Isnt that a bit like being voted the healthiest burger in McDonald's?
Also not sure how it can be AK's 25th birthday tomorrow. When this thread started he was only 23.
First I have to agree with the OP - should not play again for us.
Just expanding things AK47 does exemplify the weakness of taking in players based on a stats approach. As an individual he may have looked good value with his physical attributes - pacey, strong as a bull with a strong shot, appeared to have good stamina and when he wanted to could be surprisingly good in the air.
But as we are all too aware football is a team game and in the end his deficiencies were all too visible - and he could never be trusted by his team mates ever again in my opinion. Also as an individual he often appeared to have poor ball control and skills, indeed the more time he was given the poorer the result. In the end his temperament was shown to be appalling in a team context.
I wonder if any stats model can reliably take into account player's mental characteristics? Take Mitrovic as a contrast - a true warrior and team player (witness his reaction to AK's shameful refusal to let Mitro take that penalty).
AK47 was a great shame as one of the greatest deficiencies in our team is a distinct lack of pace throughout - and something to be prioritised in our recruitment or in identifying who next steps up from our junior teams.
Let's hope lessons have and will be learnt and we all just move on from AK47's tenure at FFC.
At the end of the day AK 47 has dissapointed me.
Quote from: MJG on March 07, 2019, 09:12:56 AM
Will not be back playing for us
Sr. Khan was actually watching the game where AK ignored Claudio, the team captain and Mitro.
I too doubt he'll see another game in a Fulham shirt.
Wasn't there a reported incident with AK punching someone in the club (grounds keeper or something?)
Fulham can fill his spot with someone younger whose easier to manage.
Quote from: Twig on March 08, 2019, 11:11:32 PM
Sorry but this is not even a meaningful discussion. AK is yet to achieve anything of note, has demonstrated a shocking attitude on several occasions and is yet to demonstrate some of the basic footballing abilities. Dempsey; a seasoned professional and a success at prem and international level, BZ; irritating yes, but sublime hold up play and a season as a world class striker.
This.
