Wasn't sure or a fan of it at first. But could possibly be a nice little stand in the end. Especially if the rest of the ground is upgraded in a similar fashion, with Johnny Haynes exterior + Cottage Protected.
Still waiting till we see actual activity on the site.
Based on... ?
Quote from: Statto on March 14, 2019, 06:01:28 PM
Based on... ?
telapathy,intuition and if so can you predict season ticket prices?
Quote from: fcfulham55 on March 14, 2019, 06:00:08 PM
Wasn't sure or a fan of it at first. But could possibly be a nice little stand in the end. Especially if the rest of the ground is upgraded in a similar fashion, with Johnny Haynes exterior + Cottage Protected.
Still waiting till we see actual activity on the site.
[/quoteQuote from: fcfulham55 on March 14, 2019, 06:00:08 PM
Wasn't sure or a fan of it at first. But could possibly be a nice little stand in the end. Especially if the rest of the ground is upgraded in a similar fashion, with Johnny Haynes exterior + Cottage Protected.
Still waiting till we see actual activity on the site.
That is right. If work was due to commence at the end of the season surely a contract would have been awarded by now and the name of the contractor would have been announced.
Good season to do it as we will be relegated and attendances will be down
Quote from: sunburywhite on March 14, 2019, 06:42:04 PM
Good season to do it as we will be relegated and attendances will be down
Unless Shadid Khan is losing confidence that we will ever be in premier league ever again.
Prices will go up massively, support will drain away.
Quote from: Robbie on March 14, 2019, 09:21:15 PM
Prices will go up massively, support will drain away.
I agree a massive increase will reduce the number of season ticket holders and playing teams in the Championship will not be so attractive to the casual football fan to turn up and pay on the day, unless we are on a roll and wiping the floor with everyone. Resulting in a drop in revenue.
So using my logic (very dangerous according to the wife) I don't envisage a huge increase at all.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 14, 2019, 09:06:25 PM
Quote from: sunburywhite on March 14, 2019, 06:42:04 PM
Good season to do it as we will be relegated and attendances will be down
Unless Shadid Khan is losing confidence that we will ever be in premier league ever again.
His son can provide confirmation of that doubt
My friend is a structural engineer for the company who have been instructed for the build. It's definitely going ahead..
Quote from: JoelH5 on March 15, 2019, 05:38:57 PM
My friend is a structural engineer for the company who have been instructed for the build. It's definitely going ahead..
:yay:
Quote from: JoelH5 on March 15, 2019, 05:38:57 PM
My friend is a structural engineer for the company who have been instructed for the build. It's definitely going ahead..
Well that's cleared it up, phew....
Quote from: JoelH5 on March 15, 2019, 05:38:57 PM
My friend is a structural engineer for the company who have been instructed for the build. It's definitely going ahead..
When did he last tell you that? Got a horrible feeling things might've changed
Quote from: JoelH5 on March 15, 2019, 05:38:57 PM
My friend is a structural engineer for the company who have been instructed for the build. It's definitely going ahead..
Remind me, which company is that? I can't recall who got the contract.
Quote from: Twig on March 15, 2019, 07:38:48 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on March 15, 2019, 05:38:57 PM
My friend is a structural engineer for the company who have been instructed for the build. It's definitely going ahead..
Remind me, which company is that? I can't recall who got the contract.
The company is the "Buckingham Group" , that's the same company that is currently building the new Brentford stadium.
Well next 2 years we won't get more than the necessary 18k at any given match.
I wish I could applaud the Khans for their strategic planning, but find I sort of hate them instead.
A new Riverside stand will be nice but I would rather have seen the money spent on the Johnny Haynes stand. Surely there must be a way of preserving the exterior while getting rid of those view-obstructing roof supports so that there are no restricted views. It may be quaint and historic and all that but stuck behind one of those is still a crap place to watch a football match in 2019.
Quote from: Neil D on March 16, 2019, 09:13:01 AM
A new Riverside stand will be nice but I would rather have seen the money spent on the Johnny Haynes stand. Surely there must be a way of preserving the exterior while getting rid of those view-obstructing roof supports so that there are no restricted views. It may be quaint and historic and all that but stuck behind one of those is still a crap place to watch a football match in 2019.
The Mo-bowl retained the facade.
Totally agree. They did something similar with the old stand at Ibrox...cantilevering a new roof over the seats while keeping the iconic red brick structure in the road view.
The space underneath the JH is now a mish mash and a poor use of space. The pitch view could still feature the familiar rear windows and the central roof gable.
That would be lovely but I think would arouse the highest levels of objection from residents. I doubt it would ever happen as, if we did the Hammersmith and Putney ends first, we'd have enough capacity - or that argument could be used against us.
Anyway, to the point - is the poster above saying that the contract has actually been formally awarded?
The Buckingham Group website front page says they were awarded the Lead Contractor contract in Dec 2018.
Quote from: Neil D on March 16, 2019, 09:13:01 AM
A new Riverside stand will be nice but I would rather have seen the money spent on the Johnny Haynes stand. Surely there must be a way of preserving the exterior while getting rid of those view-obstructing roof supports so that there are no restricted views. It may be quaint and historic and all that but stuck behind one of those is still a crap place to watch a football match in 2019.
I believe developing the Johnny Haynes stand would offer greater potential for increasing capacity at the ground too whilst leaving the Stevenage Road facade intact. Not sure why this was not considered an option during the many consultation periods or perhaps it was and received too many thumbs down on a planning permission basis.
Quote from: Riversider on March 15, 2019, 08:19:02 PM
Quote from: Twig on March 15, 2019, 07:38:48 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on March 15, 2019, 05:38:57 PM
My friend is a structural engineer for the company who have been instructed for the build. It's definitely going ahead..
Remind me, which company is that? I can't recall who got the contract.
The company is the "Buckingham Group" , that's the same company that is currently building the new Brentford stadium.
https://www.buckinghamgroup.co.uk/latest-news/buckingham-group-appointed-as-lead-contractor-for-fulham-football-clubs-riverside-stand/ (https://www.buckinghamgroup.co.uk/latest-news/buckingham-group-appointed-as-lead-contractor-for-fulham-football-clubs-riverside-stand/)
Quote from: toshes mate on March 16, 2019, 10:37:40 AM
Quote from: Neil D on March 16, 2019, 09:13:01 AM
A new Riverside stand will be nice but I would rather have seen the money spent on the Johnny Haynes stand. Surely there must be a way of preserving the exterior while getting rid of those view-obstructing roof supports so that there are no restricted views. It may be quaint and historic and all that but stuck behind one of those is still a crap place to watch a football match in 2019.
I believe developing the Johnny Haynes stand would offer greater potential for increasing capacity at the ground too whilst leaving the Stevenage Road facade intact. Not sure why this was not considered an option during the many consultation periods or perhaps it was and received too many thumbs down on a planning permission basis.
Far too many restrictions & space constraints there . Rangers old Leitch stand was twice the size of the JH stand & has no houses practically backing on to the stand like we have.
Think the only scope would to maybe add a small upper tier which would predominantly be boxes etc. Access too limited to get more people in there I reckon
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on March 15, 2019, 07:21:14 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on March 15, 2019, 05:38:57 PM
My friend is a structural engineer for the company who have been instructed for the build. It's definitely going ahead..
When did he last tell you that? Got a horrible feeling things might've changed
Last Monday. I only see him on Monday evenings now for football. I ask him about it a lot.
Quote from: JoelH5 on March 16, 2019, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: HillingdonFFC on March 15, 2019, 07:21:14 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on March 15, 2019, 05:38:57 PM
My friend is a structural engineer for the company who have been instructed for the build. It's definitely going ahead..
When did he last tell you that? Got a horrible feeling things might've changed
Last Monday. I only see him on Monday evenings now for football. I ask him about it a lot.
Cheers mate, lets hope he's right👍
Buckingham were appointed in December and the FST were told last month that "the Club is in the tender phase for sub-contracts having previously appointed a lead contractor. The Club is aiming to place all of the main tendered packages by the end of April through the main contractor."
There doesnt appear to be any new information on this thread confirming the project is going ahead. Personally I don't think it will happen - if Khan was really still interested in Fulham, we'd have spent more in January, replaced Ranieri with someone better than Parker, and Khan would be making all sorts of grand public statements right now about how great the Riverside stand and our future will be. I reckon once we're mathematically down, it will be announced the project has been pushed back, then in the summer he'll sell us. But who knows.
Quote from: Statto on March 16, 2019, 12:08:33 PM
Buckingham were appointed in December and the FST were told last month that "the Club is in the tender phase for sub-contracts having previously appointed a lead contractor. The Club is aiming to place all of the main tendered packages by the end of April through the main contractor."
There doesnt appear to be any new information on this thread confirming the project is going ahead. Personally I don't think it will happen - if Khan was really still interested in Fulham, we'd have spent more in January, replaced Ranieri with someone better than Parker, and Khan would be making all sorts of grand public statements right now about how great the Riverside stand and our future will be. I reckon once we're mathematically down, it will be announced the project has been pushed back, then in the summer he'll sell us. But who knows.
We tried to spend 12mill roughly on Sabaly but it fell through. Anymore than that and we'd be in even more trouble when/if we had still gone down
I feel the Riverside Stand has to go ahead come what may, whether we like it or not.
Although I am not even sure if I am going to like it when it's finished. But the ground needs an improvement, which brings me to the difficulty's surrounding the JH Stand which cannot be ideal with the support pillars in the way, restricting the view.
As well as the other restrictions with regard to increasing the capacity.
But if and when the Riverside is built, then they may decide to improve both Hammersmith and Putney ends.
When the club write to the Riverside season ticket holders informing them of the need to relocate, it's happening , until then it's not !
F.W.I.W , I think within the next 21 days the club will release a bull **** statement, designed to baffle with science, telling us about the complexities of the site and lead in times and contractual delays beyond our control, and because of all this the redevelopment will be delayed until the summer of 2020
This then gives Khan breathing space to see which direction the club is going in, are we riding the crest of a wave at Christmas with promotion a possibility or is our season already over with gates of only 15,000
This Riverside redevelopment was going full steam ahead right up until Craig Kline stuck his oar in and the deal to buy Wembley fell through, ever since then the club have dragged their heels on this, for whatever reason, we've got planning permission, we've got a contractor and yet nothing has happened in over 3 months at a very time critical time, why ?
It's very unusual that in life a multi billionaire can't get what they want when they want when all the lights are green to go,
Hope I'm wrong (I really do) but I think it will be postponed in the next 3 weeks.
Quote from: Riversider on March 16, 2019, 02:06:25 PM
When the club write to the Riverside season ticket holders informing them of the need to relocate, it's happening , until then it's not !
F.W.I.W , I think within the next 21 days the club will release a bull **** statement, designed to baffle with science, telling us about the complexities of the site and lead in times and contractual delays beyond our control, and because of all this the redevelopment will be delayed until the summer of 2020
This then gives Khan breathing space to see which direction the club is going in, are we riding the crest of a wave at Christmas with promotion a possibility or is our season already over with gates of only 15,000
This Riverside redevelopment was going full steam ahead right up until CK stuck his oar in and the deal to buy Wembley fell through, ever since then the club have dragged their heels on this, for whatever reason, we've got planning permission, we've got a contractor and yet nothing has happened in over 3 months at a very time critical time, why ?
It's very unusual that in life a multi billionaire can't get what they want when they want when all the lights are green to go,
Hope I'm wrong (I really do) but I think it will be postponed in the next 3 weeks.
I also hope you are wrong, however, I have always felt there is a hidden agenda from day one, which is connected to the Jaguars and the game they play where they wear helmets, and I also hope I am wrong.
I find myself agreeing with a lot of this. Firstly I do think a new Riverside stand is desirable but also agree that the JH stand is now woefully behind 21st C standards (restricted views, dangerously over crowded F & B facilities, narrow seats with limited legroom).
But most of all I, sadly, agree with those who predict the Riverside development will be delayed (if it ever happens at all).
Here's some background info that is not commonly referenced. I have no 'insider' source for any of this, apart from e-mailing Sian Brown at LBHF Planning about 4 months ago.
When the original plans were passed by the council last March, they were sent to the GLA for sign off, mainly due to the nature of the development (size, location etc.). They were approved by the GLA but for the same reasons were then sent to the Secretary of State for Planning. They sat there for a few months before finally being approved in the late Autumn last year. I have no details on the delay, only the feeling that they were unpicked in case someone called for a Judicial Review which nearly happened with the previous scheme.
Since 14th February, FFC have submitted 12 applications to LBHF to mitigate some of the planning conditions. Some of these are still pending. Amongst all of this is a 188 page document detailing construction details which suggests that the Contractors will be on site in April, presumably to get site offices etc. established. Of course until we actually see shovels in the ground there will be speculation as to it actually happening at all.
If you go to this page;
http://public-access.lbhf.gov.uk/online-applications/
and type in Fulham Football Club you will be able to view all of the documents related to the application. There are a lot of them!
Quote from: cooperiser on March 17, 2019, 10:54:09 AM
Here's some background info that is not commonly referenced. I have no 'insider' source for any of this, apart from e-mailing Sian Brown at LBHF Planning about 4 months ago.
When the original plans were passed by the council last March, they were sent to the GLA for sign off, mainly due to the nature of the development (size, location etc.). They were approved by the GLA but for the same reasons were then sent to the Secretary of State for Planning. They sat there for a few months before finally being approved in the late Autumn last year. I have no details on the delay, only the feeling that they were unpicked in case someone called for a Judicial Review which nearly happened with the previous scheme.
Since 14th February, FFC have submitted 12 applications to LBHF to mitigate some of the planning conditions. Some of these are still pending. Amongst all of this is a 188 page document detailing construction details which suggests that the Contractors will be on site in April, presumably to get site offices etc. established. Of course until we actually see shovels in the ground there will be speculation as to it actually happening at all.
If you go to this page;
http://public-access.lbhf.gov.uk/online-applications/
and type in Fulham Football Club you will be able to view all of the documents related to the application. There are a lot of them!
Thank you, an unbiased and clear-fact review of what appears to be the current situation.
We can each surmise what we feel is the situation based on our beliefs and expectations of the individuals involved, and paperwork only provides a part of what is happening, but it still provides a reasonable grounding for what is happening.
Unfortunately when the club, for whatever reason, fails to communicate with the fan base then all kinds of rumours and innuendo will arise, and rightly so, so come on Fulham, give us the real SP about the situation.
The fact that they are spending time and considerable sums of money discharging (very complex) conditions suggests that they are serious.
As does the appointment of Buckingham Group.
Quote from: Fulham76 on March 15, 2019, 07:11:26 PM
Quote from: JoelH5 on March 15, 2019, 05:38:57 PM
My friend is a structural engineer for the company who have been instructed for the build. It's definitely going ahead..
Well that's cleared it up, phew....
Fulham76, ye of little faith. Tried to mock me!! Don't worry, I accept your apology ;)
Wouldn't take a seat in Putney end no way!
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 01:44:37 PM
I feel the Riverside Stand has to go ahead come what may, whether we like it or not.
Although I am not even sure if I am going to like it when it's finished. But the ground needs an improvement, which brings me to the difficulty's surrounding the JH Stand which cannot be ideal with the support pillars in the way, restricting the view.
As well as the other restrictions with regard to increasing the capacity.
But if and when the Riverside is built, then they may decide to improve both Hammersmith and Putney ends.
My wife and I moved to teh JH stand this season after years in the Hammy End. I have found it horrible; support pillars obstruct the view, F & B options limited and queues horrendous and there is an ever present sense that it would be very hard to evacuate quickly in an emergency. We are reverting to the Hammy End next year.
Quote from: toshes mate on March 16, 2019, 10:37:40 AM
Quote from: Neil D on March 16, 2019, 09:13:01 AM
A new Riverside stand will be nice but I would rather have seen the money spent on the Johnny Haynes stand. Surely there must be a way of preserving the exterior while getting rid of those view-obstructing roof supports so that there are no restricted views. It may be quaint and historic and all that but stuck behind one of those is still a crap place to watch a football match in 2019.
I believe developing the Johnny Haynes stand would offer greater potential for increasing capacity at the ground too whilst leaving the Stevenage Road facade intact. Not sure why this was not considered an option during the many consultation periods or perhaps it was and received too many thumbs down on a planning permission basis.
The stand is listed. Here's a snippet of the description;
MATERIALS: Red brick façade with stone dressings; steel trussed roof (not visible from street)covered in corrugated iron.
SUMMARY OF IMPORTANCE: Of special interest as a well-preserved early surviving example of a football grandstand by Archibald Leitch (1866-1939), the foremost football stadium designer of the early C20. The façade is unusual in that it was a conscious attempt to give ornate treatment to a building type which was usually austere and functional.
Description specifically mentions the roof style and structure, but then not in the importance. Basically, i think planning would never allow anything that would materially change the style of the roof.
Never before has so much egg been seen on so many faces. Smug.
Quote from: west kowloon white on May 22, 2019, 07:36:33 PM
Never before has so much egg been seen on so many faces. Smug.
I would love to know the number of posters who've recently asserted on here that the Riverside stand wouldn't get built (I'm guessing about two, and personally can't recall seeing any) versus the number of posters who asserted on here last August that Tony Khan had done a great job (I'm guessing about 50). I suspect, despite the belief (or at least, the desperate hopes) of some, actually today's announcement delivers very little egg on very few faces.
Serious question (hopefully can get at least one serious answer lol).... does anybody genuinely know what the great big hole in the roof of the stand is for?
Quote from: The Enclosurite on May 22, 2019, 09:05:36 PM
Serious question (hopefully can get at least one serious answer lol).... does anybody genuinely know what the great big hole in the roof of the stand is for?
Let the Air in....Sorry😟
The serious answer is that they are going install a Chimney on it.
Quote from: The Enclosurite on May 22, 2019, 09:05:36 PM
Serious question (hopefully can get at least one serious answer lol).... does anybody genuinely know what the great big hole in the roof of the stand is for?
It will probably be for mechanical plant. Air handling units, chillers and boilers for heating/cooling etc...
Wow. The image on the club website looks absolutely stunning. Brings a lump to the throat if I'm honest because of what these plans represent for the future of our club for generations to come.
I look at that image today and think back to that game against Walsall in 1987 when the world was left in no doubt how important Fulham Football Club was to it's supporters; when the very survival of Fulham FC was at stake. Then I think about all we have been so lucky to have witnessed over the last 30+ years (the promotions, Premier League football, an FA Cup semi, reaching the UEFA Cup, The Great Escape, the Europa League run and Final and the win at Wembley). There have of course been some real lows during that period but I wonder when people talk about the highs and lows of football if supporters of any other club have experienced the extremes we have.
A big heartfelt "Thank You" to Mr Khan. Despite the disappointment of last season the future of our wonderful club looks very bright indeed.
Quote from: west kowloon white on May 22, 2019, 07:36:33 PM
Never before has so much egg been seen on so many faces. Smug.
My thoughts exactly !
