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Title: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: filham on March 15, 2019, 04:48:05 PM
Essential that our permanent new manager has the opportunity to have a good look at our existing players and a big input into the comings and goings over the summer which need to start early in June.

Surely then it makes sense to make the decision with three or for games left to play, we will by that time have had a good look at Scotty.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Horsfield_No9 on March 15, 2019, 04:56:51 PM
You'd think but we've never done anything that sensible so don't see them doing that. I don't trust they will even start looking until the season is done and they have made a call on Parker.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: The Enclosurite on March 15, 2019, 05:08:39 PM
Have to be already looking and appoint if the right man comes along, even they sit in the stands 'assessing' until the end of the season so can have a clean slate in May without being tainted by the inevitable relegation.

It's possible though that the right man wont be available until the season has ended so catch 22 but they definitely HAVE TO be already looking regardless.  Time is currently on our side but that will fly by as the season comes to a close.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: ALG01 on March 15, 2019, 05:10:08 PM
this all pre supposes they have the first odea who they want. and this season is not over, appointing a new manager before the end would just be another chance to destabilise the squad. Let SP get to the end at least.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 12:40:29 AM
I am in no hurry to see a new manager installed or even on the horizon, let's see how Scott Parker with the help of his coaches manage the rest of the season.
There needs to be a time for reflection, and common sense must prevail. One step at a time, there are 8 games to go and 24 points to play for, and history to be rewritten.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: The Rational Fan on March 16, 2019, 03:27:24 AM
I assume Scott Parker will want to see all the players impressing at training on the field at some stage  by the end of the season. And, I assume any manager taking the job will see all 60 hours play time before the start of the season, so it he won't miss much.

Any sane manager will probably only use players that didn't play football this year off the bench. Even Slavisa only used Mitro as a sub his first two games. Players like Matt Riley will probably play only pre-season and come on a few games when we are two goals up, until he proves himself.

We shouldn't rush the process Scott Parker can be a caretaker longer and the less transfers the DOF does the better.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: ..FOF.. on March 16, 2019, 04:53:39 AM
I have no problem with Scott this season.

It is just that the computer better start spitting out proven names now for interviews, robotic excursions or whatever Tony have in mind.

I am not interested in having a new coach 2 months after the season starts.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: RaySmith on March 16, 2019, 04:56:05 AM
A robot for manager -good shout!
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Dodger53 on March 16, 2019, 09:06:22 AM
The topic probably should be 'when to appoint a new Director of Football - answer NOW! let them sort out who manages our club.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: Dodger53 on March 16, 2019, 09:06:22 AM
The topic probably should be 'when to appoint a new Director of Football - answer NOW! let them sort out who manages our club.

Now that's more like it.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Statto on March 16, 2019, 10:47:12 AM
Quote from: ALG01 on March 15, 2019, 05:10:08 PM
this season is not over, appointing a new manager before the end would just be another chance to destabilise the squad.

Even with a "stable" team, we are going down and won't win a single game. What difference does it make?

As the OP said, the new manager needs to get to know the players, start persuading them to stay in some cases, decide who to offload, decide who we need to target in the summer, sack/appoint coaching staff, get the team to understand his tactics, plan pre-season, etc... All things that need to start in late April ideally
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: hovewhite on March 16, 2019, 12:49:46 PM
As mentioned in this thread unless a new DOF nothing changes.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 01:36:35 PM
Quote from: hovewhite on March 16, 2019, 12:49:46 PM
As mentioned in this thread unless a new DOF nothing changes.

and that is the biggest worry for me.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: filham on March 16, 2019, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: Dodger53 on March 16, 2019, 09:06:22 AM
The topic probably should be 'when to appoint a new Director of Football - answer NOW! let them sort out who manages our club.

Now that's more like it.
Fully agree and the choice is obviously Kevin Keegan, MAF managed to get him to the Cottage, Khan should show that he too is capable of doing the same.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 07:48:01 PM
Quote from: filham on March 16, 2019, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: Dodger53 on March 16, 2019, 09:06:22 AM
The topic probably should be 'when to appoint a new Director of Football - answer NOW! let them sort out who manages our club.

Now that's more like it.
Fully agree and the choice is obviously Kevin Keegan, MAF managed to get him to the Cottage, Khan should show that he too is capable of doing the same.

It certainly needs to be addressed, otherwise we will have the same problems recycled, with a similar  outcome.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: The Rational Fan on March 16, 2019, 11:10:36 PM
Quote from: filham on March 16, 2019, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: Dodger53 on March 16, 2019, 09:06:22 AM
The topic probably should be 'when to appoint a new Director of Football - answer NOW! let them sort out who manages our club.

Now that's more like it.
Fully agree and the choice is obviously Kevin Keegan, MAF managed to get him to the Cottage, Khan should show that he too is capable of doing the same.

Kevin Keegan was a financial disaster for Fulham, he massively overspent for promotion and the players he bought needed to be replaced within a few of years even though they were signed on long contracts.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Penfold on March 16, 2019, 11:30:00 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 16, 2019, 11:10:36 PM
Quote from: filham on March 16, 2019, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: Dodger53 on March 16, 2019, 09:06:22 AM
The topic probably should be 'when to appoint a new Director of Football - answer NOW! let them sort out who manages our club.

Now that's more like it.
Fully agree and the choice is obviously Kevin Keegan, MAF managed to get him to the Cottage, Khan should show that he too is capable of doing the same.

Kevin Keegan was a financial disaster for Fulham, he massively overspent for promotion and the players he bought needed to be replaced within a few of years even though they were signed on long contracts.


He wasn't really a financial disaster as at the time, money was no object.

Hasn't been involved in football a while so wouldn't be my choice as a new DOF. However, we need a new one asap.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: MikeTheCubed on March 16, 2019, 11:41:34 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 16, 2019, 11:10:36 PM
Quote from: filham on March 16, 2019, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: Dodger53 on March 16, 2019, 09:06:22 AM
The topic probably should be 'when to appoint a new Director of Football - answer NOW! let them sort out who manages our club.

Now that's more like it.
Fully agree and the choice is obviously Kevin Keegan, MAF managed to get him to the Cottage, Khan should show that he too is capable of doing the same.

Kevin Keegan was a financial disaster for Fulham, he massively overspent for promotion and the players he bought needed to be replaced within a few of years


Although I am not agreeing that Keegan would be a good acquisition for us at this stage, I'd suggest this is far wide of the mark:

Barry Hayles - Helped fire us to promotion to the Premier League, where he proved to be an effective enough player.
Steve Finnan - Won the Champions League with Liverpool. Sold for a significant profit.
Rufus Brevett - One of the best left backs in the division during our promotion to the Premier League, where he proved to be an effective enough player. "Lifted" the Intertoto cup for us.
Geoff Horsfield - Departed after finishing the previous season as our top scorer. Sold for a significant profit, which paved the way for Louis Saha.
Kit Symons - Part of our back line which got promoted to the Premier League.
Chris Coleman - Captained the dominant first half of our Division One promotion winning campaign. We'll never know how he'd have fared in the Premier League if not for the unfortunate accident.
Maik Taylor - Proved to be an effective Premier League goalkeeper. Sold for a significant profit.

Granted we blew every other team in Division Two out of the water in terms of how much we spent, and there were some expensive mistakes, but the signings listed above were remarkably shrewd.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Penfold on March 17, 2019, 12:04:49 AM
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on March 16, 2019, 11:41:34 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 16, 2019, 11:10:36 PM
Quote from: filham on March 16, 2019, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: Dodger53 on March 16, 2019, 09:06:22 AM
The topic probably should be 'when to appoint a new Director of Football - answer NOW! let them sort out who manages our club.

Now that's more like it.
Fully agree and the choice is obviously Kevin Keegan, MAF managed to get him to the Cottage, Khan should show that he too is capable of doing the same.

Kevin Keegan was a financial disaster for Fulham, he massively overspent for promotion and the players he bought needed to be replaced within a few of years


Although I am not agreeing that Keegan would be a good acquisition for us at this stage, I'd suggest this is far wide of the mark:

Barry Hayles - Helped fire us to promotion to the Premier League, where he proved to be an effective enough player.
Steve Finnan - Won the Champions League with Liverpool. Sold for a significant profit.
Rufus Brevett - One of the best left backs in the division during our promotion to the Premier League, where he proved to be an effective enough player. "Lifted" the Intertoto cup for us.
Geoff Horsfield - Departed after finishing the previous season as our top scorer. Sold for a significant profit, which paved the way for Louis Saha.
Kit Symons - Part of our back line which got promoted to the Premier League.
Chris Coleman - Captained the dominant first half of our Division One promotion winning campaign. We'll never know how he'd have fared in the Premier League if not for the unfortunate accident.
Maik Taylor - Proved to be an effective Premier League goalkeeper. Sold for a significant profit.

Granted we blew every other team in Division Two out of the water in terms of how much we spent, and there were some expensive mistakes, but the signings listed above were remarkably shrewd.

I was going to go through the 1998/99 squad but you've saved me some time. Yes, some flops but all the players you've mentioned made significant contributions post 1998/99.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: The Rational Fan on March 17, 2019, 12:08:03 AM
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on March 16, 2019, 11:41:34 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 16, 2019, 11:10:36 PM
Quote from: filham on March 16, 2019, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 16, 2019, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: Dodger53 on March 16, 2019, 09:06:22 AM
The topic probably should be 'when to appoint a new Director of Football - answer NOW! let them sort out who manages our club.

Now that's more like it.
Fully agree and the choice is obviously Kevin Keegan, MAF managed to get him to the Cottage, Khan should show that he too is capable of doing the same.

Kevin Keegan was a financial disaster for Fulham, he massively overspent for promotion and the players he bought needed to be replaced within a few of years


Although I am not agreeing that Keegan would be a good acquisition for us at this stage, I'd suggest this is far wide of the mark:

Barry Hayles - Helped fire us to promotion to the Premier League, where he proved to be an effective enough player.
Steve Finnan - Won the Champions League with Liverpool. Sold for a significant profit.
Rufus Brevett - One of the best left backs in the division during our promotion to the Premier League, where he proved to be an effective enough player. "Lifted" the Intertoto cup for us.
Geoff Horsfield - Departed after finishing the previous season as our top scorer. Sold for a significant profit, which paved the way for Louis Saha.
Kit Symons - Part of our back line which got promoted to the Premier League.
Chris Coleman - Captained the dominant first half of our Division One promotion winning campaign. We'll never know how he'd have fared in the Premier League if not for the unfortunate accident.
Maik Taylor - Proved to be an effective Premier League goalkeeper. Sold for a significant profit.

Granted we blew every other team in Division Two out of the water in terms of how much we spent, and there were some expensive mistakes, but the signings listed above were remarkably shrewd.

Yes everything you say is correct, but according to annual reports we made a huge losses and once Tigana took over, he was begging for more money than the previous five year plan. Most Football Managers idea of a good investment is signing Gary Cahill and Victor Moses on a five-year contract (with someone elses money), having a great escape getting praised and before they become lead weights leaving to Roma.

Normally, the club that he left has a new manager that wants to invest in a new five year plan, with promises of profits in five years time. MAF, Newcastle and Sunderland all followed this model, but owners are losing faith in people especially those that want to leave as soon as they have success.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: toshes mate on March 17, 2019, 08:10:55 AM
We could always invite SJ to be our new DoF and leave SP to have a fair shot at being head coach..... 
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Statto on March 17, 2019, 10:52:24 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 17, 2019, 12:08:03 AM
Yes everything you say is correct, but according to annual reports we made a huge losses and once Tigana took over, he was begging for more money than the previous five year plan.

You don't turn a club from a league two team to a mid-table PL team in the space of 6 years and make a profit. Each year we needed new investment to take the team to the next level, including for Tigana at the end.

Keegan, as thoroughly illustrated by the other posts above, still got good value for his signings. With this summer's budget and someone who could do that like keegan as DoF, we'd be where wolves are right now.

FWIW I'm still not advocating we bring keegan out of retirement. I can't see him having the drive anymore.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: ScalleysDad on March 17, 2019, 12:07:49 PM
Quote from: toshes mate on March 17, 2019, 08:10:55 AM
We could always invite SJ to be our new DoF and leave SP to have a fair shot at being head coach.....


Now then if somebody was to post a comment along the lines of 'based on what consistent and prolonged record of achievements' there could be the makings of a discussion on that proposal.
But alas its match day and our minds are otherwise engaged. Second gutsy home performance on the trot might be the general theme otherwise it's meltdown time again. I would just like it known that Odoi's Mum will still love him to bits around 4.30.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: The Rational Fan on March 17, 2019, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 17, 2019, 10:52:24 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 17, 2019, 12:08:03 AM
Yes everything you say is correct, but according to annual reports we made a huge losses and once Tigana took over, he was begging for more money than the previous five year plan.

You don't turn a club from a league two team to a mid-table PL team in the space of 6 years and make a profit. Each year we needed new investment to take the team to the next level, including for Tigana at the end.

Keegan, as thoroughly illustrated by the other posts above, still got good value for his signings. With this summer's budget and someone who could do that like keegan as DoF, we'd be where wolves are right now.

FWIW I'm still not advocating we bring keegan out of retirement. I can't see him having the drive anymore.

It depends how you define success, if you define it as spending 50m to get in Premier League and exit the league making no money; then financial speaking its either a hobby (something you spend money on but always expect to get less money back) or it is a financially failure.

I would agree that with Kevin Keegan (of the 90s) it is likely that we would be where Wolves are right now. But, financially Wolves will still be a disaster pouring money into the club year after year, just like FFC was didn't earn MAF any money.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Statto on March 17, 2019, 02:53:33 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 17, 2019, 12:48:51 PM
It depends how you define success, if you define it as spending 50m to get in Premier League and exit the league making no money; then financial speaking its either a hobby (something you spend money on but always expect to get less money back) or it is a financially failure.

I would agree that with Kevin Keegan (of the 90s) it is likely that we would be where Wolves are right now. But, financially Wolves will still be a disaster pouring money into the club year after year, just like FFC was didn't earn MAF any money.

To reiterate, just over a year become Keegan came in, we'd dropped to 91st out of the 92 professional football clubs in England, and lost our match against the team that were 92nd. Six years later we were a mid-table PL club. I don't know what the the actual cost was but if you say it cost £50m to get there then that was an absolute bargain and most definitely within my definition of "success". Keegan's job was just to help get us there, and he left the club in what, 1999? So I'm not going to judge him on how the club was run from 2001 to 2013. I don't know what the TV revenue was back then but I'm guessing in our 13 PL seasons, we earned something like £500m, so plenty more than Keegan had spent.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: H4usuallysitting on March 17, 2019, 04:15:33 PM
Parker will be manager....with Gray & the new spuds bloke
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Lyle from Hangeland on March 17, 2019, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: H4usuallysitting on March 17, 2019, 04:15:33 PM
Parker will be manager....with Gray & the new spuds bloke

Yeah, I think they're sticking with Scott Parker. They're already letting him build a staff. We'll see. Fine by me.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: The Rational Fan on March 17, 2019, 04:23:53 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 17, 2019, 02:53:33 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 17, 2019, 12:48:51 PM
It depends how you define success, if you define it as spending 50m to get in Premier League and exit the league making no money; then financial speaking its either a hobby (something you spend money on but always expect to get less money back) or it is a financially failure.

I would agree that with Kevin Keegan (of the 90s) it is likely that we would be where Wolves are right now. But, financially Wolves will still be a disaster pouring money into the club year after year, just like FFC was didn't earn MAF any money.

To reiterate, just over a year become Keegan came in, we'd dropped to 91st out of the 92 professional football clubs in England, and lost our match against the team that were 92nd. Six years later we were a mid-table PL club. I don't know what the the actual cost was but if you say it cost £50m to get there then that was an absolute bargain and most definitely within my definition of "success". Keegan's job was just to help get us there, and he left the club in what, 1999? So I'm not going to judge him on how the club was run from 2001 to 2013. I don't know what the TV revenue was back then but I'm guessing in our 13 PL seasons, we earned something like £500m, so plenty more than Keegan had spent.

Yes, thats about correct we spent about £50m to get and stay up, but then we spent another £150m spent more than TV Money to stay up. Offical losses were already £200m by the time the Khans took over and continues to rise.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: ken 44 on March 17, 2019, 04:56:50 PM
The usual rubbish talked after a defeat, and no mention of the improvement since Scott Parker has been in charge, some of you were forecasting a six nil defeat, and are sad you did'nt get it. numpties. Ken44
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on March 17, 2019, 05:02:26 PM
I hope Scott Parker and his coaching staff stay at Fulham. Overall we have been playing more like a team since he has taken over. Far more commitment from players, far more effort.
Today was never ever going to be easy, he can only use the players he has in front of him.
But I am impressed with his game management.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Twig on March 17, 2019, 05:16:05 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 17, 2019, 05:02:26 PM
I hope Scott Parker and his coaching staff stay at Fulham. Overall we have been playing more like a team since he has taken over. Far more commitment from players, far more effort.
Today was never ever going to be easy, he can only use the players he has in front of him.
But I am impressed with his game management.

Regards the two home defeats I agree. Wasn't impressed by our efforts at Leicester though.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Woolly Mammoth on March 17, 2019, 07:30:08 PM
Quote from: Twig on March 17, 2019, 05:16:05 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 17, 2019, 05:02:26 PM
I hope Scott Parker and his coaching staff stay at Fulham. Overall we have been playing more like a team since he has taken over. Far more commitment from players, far more effort.
Today was never ever going to be easy, he can only use the players he has in front of him.
But I am impressed with his game management.

Regards the two home defeats I agree. Wasn't impressed by our efforts at Leicester though.

I have to agree with you.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Fernhurst on March 17, 2019, 09:11:36 PM
Our esteemed owner needs to think long and hard what he wants to do with his club.

Wolves are super ambitious and effectively purchased a Champions League team while in The Championship.
Watch for their signings this summer under their DOF Super Agent Mendez. Coupled with the extension of the ground to take 50,000.
Our owner is tasked with following loosely that template (with a fabulous tactical manager) or hope Scot can squeeze enough out of the remaining bits of our squad to get us in position to be a yo yo club.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: johnny too bad on March 17, 2019, 10:22:41 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 17, 2019, 10:52:24 AM
FWIW I'm still not advocating we bring keegan out of retirement. I can't see him having the drive anymore.
Bedford Jezzard would have a bit more spark (and he's been dead for 14 years).
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: ..FOF.. on March 18, 2019, 03:20:31 AM
If it is Parker, then hopefully it can be made official before the end of April.

Then we have to focus on Tony who will chart Fulham's fate until August.

Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Dixie on March 18, 2019, 10:35:12 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 17, 2019, 05:02:26 PM
I hope Scott Parker and his coaching staff stay at Fulham. Overall we have been playing more like a team since he has taken over. Far more commitment from players, far more effort.
Today was never ever going to be easy, he can only use the players he has in front of him.
But I am impressed with his game management.
+1

I was advocating Scotty P to my mate at the game and his quibble was the 'lack of experience'. I can kind of understand this argument, but look at what happens when you bring in a 'proven' manager like Ranieri, Magath, Jol...
What Fulham needs is someone who gets what it is to be Fulhamish, that's why i still love Coleman, Woy, Joka. There was just a fit there. I am feeling the same about Scot so far and his management career has to start somewhere... where better than the club he ended his playing career at?
I never felt good about Ranieri, despite what he achieved at Leicester, same with Jol and to a degree Symons (although i desperately wanted him to do well!) but i'm feeling good about Parker.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: The Rational Fan on March 18, 2019, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: Dixie on March 18, 2019, 10:35:12 PM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 17, 2019, 05:02:26 PM
I hope Scott Parker and his coaching staff stay at Fulham. Overall we have been playing more like a team since he has taken over. Far more commitment from players, far more effort.
Today was never ever going to be easy, he can only use the players he has in front of him.
But I am impressed with his game management.
+1

I was advocating Scotty P to my mate at the game and his quibble was the 'lack of experience'. I can kind of understand this argument, but look at what happens when you bring in a 'proven' manager like Ranieri, Magath, Jol...
What Fulham needs is someone who gets what it is to be Fulhamish, that's why i still love Coleman, Woy, Joka. There was just a fit there. I am feeling the same about Scot so far and his management career has to start somewhere... where better than the club he ended his playing career at?
I never felt good about Ranieri, despite what he achieved at Leicester, same with Jol and to a degree Symons (although i desperately wanted him to do well!) but i'm feeling good about Parker.

The FFC Financials for this Club under Chris Coleman were a disaster from 2003 to 2007, no owner would be interested in a formula of repeating those years, interesting a yo-yo club West Brom did much better than FFC financial during that period.

Sunderland had an owner with the money to invest, but he was convinced all managers outside the Top Six fail financially. Chris Coleman was the manager and he failed to convince the owner to spend money so Sunderland were relegated to League One.

I doubt you'll find an owner that would ever support "old business model that didn't work" (i.e. trust the manager with sanity checks), so we are better to accept the owners investment into an "untried business models that may never work" (i.e. trust the statistics with sanity checks), and after a while of buying duds players, the recruitment may improve with new model being better and may work after losing heaps of money.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: toshes mate on March 19, 2019, 08:48:06 AM
Is our DoF even paying attention?
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: filham on March 19, 2019, 11:12:59 AM
Quote from: Woolly Mammoth on March 17, 2019, 05:02:26 PM
I hope Scott Parker and his coaching staff stay at Fulham. Overall we have been playing more like a team since he has taken over. Far more commitment from players, far more effort.
Today was never ever going to be easy, he can only use the players he has in front of him.
But I am impressed with his game management.
Parker has done very well in three very tough matches, another good performance against City followed by a point from Watford and a home win against Everton should be sufficient to enable him to be appointed permanent manager. This would take away the pressure on him to win matches and he could then think about blooding youngsters with a view to having them ready for next season.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: The Rational Fan on March 19, 2019, 11:52:36 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on March 19, 2019, 08:48:06 AM
Is our DoF even paying attention?

No Attention from Tony Khan is Best, he gave us a Good Championship Squad.

Here is the squad, if he does absolutely nothing.

                               Betts/Fabri

Christie/S.Sess   Mawson/Odoi   Ream/MLM    Bryan/T.Edun

              Anguissa/Cisse          Seri/McDonald

                             Cairney/Johasen

R.Sess/Kamara          Mitro/Fonte            Atiye/Kebano

Squad Players 23-28: Rodak (GK), Djaló (CB), Riley(CM), Elliot(RW), Torres(LW) 

Not much to do just
i) if Kamara or Sess is sold, then add Markovoic
ii) if Mawson has fitness issues, then add Norveidt or Kalas
iii) if spare cash add Markovoic, Norveidt or Kalas
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Penfold on March 19, 2019, 11:57:59 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 19, 2019, 11:52:36 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on March 19, 2019, 08:48:06 AM
Is our DoF even paying attention?

No Attention from Tony Khan gives an ok squad. No tinkering.

                               Betts/Fabri

Christie/S.Sess   Mawson/Odoi   Ream/MLM    Bryan/T.Edun

           Anguissa/Cisse       Seri/McDonald

                           Cairney/Johasen

R.Sess/Kamara       Mitro/Fonte         Atiye/Kebano

Squad Players 23-28: Rodak (GK), Djaló (CB), Riley(CM), Elliot(RW), Torres(LW) 

Not much to do just
i) if Kamara or Sess is sold, then add Markovoic
ii) if Mawson has fitness issues, then add Norveidt or Kalas

Some of those players will demand a move this summer.

Yes, in theory, we can hold them to their contract (unless they have a break clause inserted), but holding onto unhappy players doesn't normally work well.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: The Rational Fan on March 19, 2019, 12:43:17 PM
Quote from: Penfold on March 19, 2019, 11:57:59 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 19, 2019, 11:52:36 AM
Quote from: toshes mate on March 19, 2019, 08:48:06 AM
Is our DoF even paying attention?
No Attention from Tony Khan gives an ok squad. No tinkering.

Some of those players will demand a move this summer.

Yes, in theory, we can hold them to their contract (unless they have a break clause inserted), but holding onto unhappy players doesn't normally work well.

Yes, all the teams last year followed your philopshy selling unhappy players, but selling unhappy players means buying players on deadline day, which won't get us winning the first few games of the season. I'd prefer to take our chances with an unhappy Mitrovoic than finding players that want to come, anyway he can still score if his miserable. I think after a few games, he'll give his all.

If these players exercise break clauses, we must get the unamortized transfer fee remaining.  I don't want sell these players at their current values, but if they are automatically bought back based on the values we paid then thats absolutely awesome. I do not see a problem if we are returned £76m in transfer fees (apart from Mitro).

To be honest, if Anguissa and Seri do have break clause, that would explain why their transfer fees are so high (as we only pay them if we stay up, but right now break clauses seems to good to be true).
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Pieter A’dam on March 19, 2019, 12:58:38 PM
hope we keep Parker, hopefully be mid table next season and similarly to Villa this year slowly moving to a play offs spot.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: davew on March 19, 2019, 01:31:47 PM
We need somebody who is planning ahead for next season which means playing some of the youngsters sooner rather than later, some of the recent selections have been ridiculous, no real need to repeat who they were. Are FFC or 1 individual in particular going to make the same mistake in the next window as he did in the last one and are the pre season friendlies going to be a shambles again? Will we have any idea what our best team selection will be before we have played 1/4 of the seasons matches? The answers to me are hopefully the opposite of what will happen, time will tell!
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: FulhamStu on March 19, 2019, 02:20:09 PM
I would only play our loan players if Parker really feels he has too.  That is unless they are likely to stay.  Having said that, I would keep Chambers in central defence, he will effectively replaced by Mawson.  Bit I would not play Shurlle or TFM or Babel or Markovic or even Vietto.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: The old mucker on March 19, 2019, 09:57:13 PM
I think sp has to be given the chance for the championship, but we should put all our efforts and energy into getting a top quality director of football  who that is I don't know
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: filham on March 20, 2019, 02:42:22 PM
Quote from: FulhamStu on March 19, 2019, 02:20:09 PM
I would only play our loan players if Parker really feels he has too.  That is unless they are likely to stay.  Having said that, I would keep Chambers in central defence, he will effectively replaced by Mawson.  Bit I would not play Shurlle or TFM or Babel or Markovic or even Vietto.
Hard to drop Babel as he is the in form striker. Perhaps we should be making plans to offer him a contract.
Title: Re: When To Appoint The New Manager
Post by: Riversider on March 20, 2019, 03:13:50 PM
Parker will get the job !
I've said on here before that he needed to win a game before the season ends, that win was presented to him on a platter yesterday, gift wrapped with a black and white ribbon attached,  that game being Watford away, if we can't beat their reserves and U23's a few days before they play at Wembley , then he doesn't deserve the job and we deserve to finish bottom,
I think a win at Watford will lead to points against Bournemouth,  Cardiff and Newcastle,  the job will then be his.