Interesting snippet in today's Times that if (!) we're relegated and Mitro decides to go we'd ask for £40m. He has 4 years left on his contract and no release clause. Also says that Seri, MleM and Schurrle have relegation pay cuts built in to their contracts and would want to go.
I would not want to see Mitro leave, but we can cover for the loss of the other three, although Seri has something about him, but maybe too lightweight, for the rigours of the Championship.,
With McDonald, Johansen and Ayite back in midfield next season, we will basically be the same 11 - apart from Mitro - that got us up. If we can use the money we get for Seri, Mitro and Anguissa wisely - i.e. good championship players or premier league players not getting a regular game - then we have a good shot at going back up again. It won't be like the last time when every single 1st team player bar Scott Parker left. I don't even see Sess or Cairney going now, so it will just be like we had a bizarre dream where we were in the prem for a year and we will wake up back where we were!!
Quote from: Artful Dodger on March 16, 2019, 02:43:40 PM
With McDonald, Johansen and Ayite back in midfield next season, we will basically be the same 11 - apart from Mitro - that got us up. If we can use the money we get for Seri, Mitro and Anguissa wisely - i.e. good championship players or premier league players not getting a regular game - then we have a good shot at going back up again. It won't be like the last time when every single 1st team player bar Scott Parker left. I don't even see Sess or Cairney going now, so it will just be like we had a bizarre dream where we were in the prem for a year and we will wake up back where we were!!
Stefjo will be a free agent as far as i'm aware
Mitro is Premiership quality and lets face it. If we'd have managed to stay up a bigger clubs would be in for him and we'd be starting a second season without him. Take the profit now keep the rest unless we can recoup fee and wages and see if we can find another goal scorer to get us out of the Championship. Last time we went down there were wholesale changes and that nearly saw us drop twice in two seasons.
Mitro is a fine player but it is totally unproven he is PL quality. He has been pretty average this season and does not look fit enough.
£40m .... Kerching ! That is 6 decent C-Ship players.
Keep them to their contracts except Schurrle.
Seri in the Championship would be very interesting!
Quote from: Artful Dodger on March 16, 2019, 02:43:40 PM
With McDonald, Johansen and Ayite back in midfield next season, we will basically be the same 11 - apart from Mitro - that got us up. If we can use the money we get for Seri, Mitro and Anguissa wisely - i.e. good championship players or premier league players not getting a regular game - then we have a good shot at going back up again. It won't be like the last time when every single 1st team player bar Scott Parker left. I don't even see Sess or Cairney going now, so it will just be like we had a bizarre dream where we were in the prem for a year and we will wake up back where we were!!
This has been explained so many times. We won't get money back on the likes of Seri or Zambo. They have a book value reflecting what we paid amortised over several years. If we sell at a loss we don't free up money for a buying spree.
Quote from: Milo on March 16, 2019, 03:34:21 PM
Keep them to their contracts except Schurrle.
Seri in the Championship would be very interesting!
Schurrle and a few others have never been kept to their contracts, they were supposed to play football for us!
Quote from: Milo on March 16, 2019, 03:34:21 PM
Keep them to their contracts except Schurrle.
Seri in the Championship would be very interesting!
+1
With the caveat that, as a thank you for last season, if Mitro really desparately wanted to leave I would hope we allow him to
Quote from: Milo on March 16, 2019, 03:34:21 PM
Keep them to their contracts except Schurrle.
Seri in the Championship would be very interesting!
I can't see that he'd want to stay, especially with a pay cut.
Yes, he might be under contract but in the championship we are going to need players that want to play for us.
Quote from: Penfold on March 16, 2019, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: Milo on March 16, 2019, 03:34:21 PM
Keep them to their contracts except Schurrle.
Seri in the Championship would be very interesting!
I can't see that he'd want to stay, especially with a pay cut.
Yes, he might be under contract but in the championship we are going to need players that want to play for us.
We need more than that, we need payers with enough ability to play for us and also who want to play for us, short in numbers on that count!
Quote from: Robbie on March 16, 2019, 03:33:54 PM
Mitro is a fine player but it is totally unproven he is PL quality. He has been pretty average this season and does not look fit enough.
£40m .... Kerching ! That is 6 decent C-Ship players.
And, if we do sell him at anything like the figure quoted in the article, it's against £24m we allegedly paid for him.
Look compared to our last Championship team we will be missing Frederick, Targette and Mitrovic for certain and probably Cairney and Sess. as well. There will be a lot of rebuilding to be undertaken, don't expect quick success.
Quote from: Artful Dodger on March 16, 2019, 02:43:40 PM
With McDonald, Johansen and Ayite back in midfield next season, we will basically be the same 11 - apart from Mitro - that got us up. If we can use the money we get for Seri, Mitro and Anguissa wisely - i.e. good championship players or premier league players not getting a regular game - then we have a good shot at going back up again. It won't be like the last time when every single 1st team player bar Scott Parker left. I don't even see Sess or Cairney going now, so it will just be like we had a bizarre dream where we were in the prem for a year and we will wake up back where we were!!
Ha ha ha 😆😆🤣 and there in lies the problem .. using words such as "spending money wisely" 🤦♂️
We will be missing Fredericks, Norwood, Kalas, Piazon and Ojo. They all made a contributions to our promotion season. Most of them not good enough to be starters but at least they provided some depth to a very thin squad.
Preseason was a disaster but I fear we may be even worse prepared for next season. When our current loan players have left and a few others (probably) sold there won't be much left. What makes any of you think TK is capable of providing us with a decent Championship squad? It will all be last minute panic deals again. Just look at the permanent transfers we did for our promotion season:
Djalo, Cisse, Kamara, Fonte, Mollo, Christie.
Kamara was ok until he turned out to be a nutjob. But the rest? Most of the players on permanent deals that got us up were signed before TK was appointed Director of Everything. I have a really, REALLY bad feeling for next season. I know, it's far too soon to start worrying but that's what everyone told me back in July and look where we are now.
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on March 16, 2019, 09:18:13 PM
We will be missing Fredericks, Norwood, Kalas, Piazon and Ojo. They all made a contributions to our promotion season. Most of them not good enough to be starters but at least they provided some depth to a very thin squad.
Preseason was a disaster but I fear we may be even worse prepared for next season. When our current loan players have left and a few others (probably) sold there won't be much left. What makes any of you think TK is capable of providing us with a decent Championship squad? It will all be last minute panic deals again. Just look at the permanent transfers we did for our promotion season:
Djalo, Cisse, Kamara, Fonte, Mollo, Christie.
Kamara was ok until he turned out to be a nutjob. But the rest? Most of the players on permanent deals that got us up were signed before TK was appointed Director of Everything. I have a really, REALLY bad feeling for next season. I know, it's far too soon to start worrying but that's what everyone told me back in July and look where we are now.
To be brief I think I agree with you, we could be in a lot of trouble next season, almost as bad as this season!
Quote from: Statto on March 16, 2019, 04:32:06 PM
Quote from: Milo on March 16, 2019, 03:34:21 PM
Keep them to their contracts except Schurrle.
Seri in the Championship would be very interesting!
+1
With the caveat that, as a thank you for last season, if Mitro really desparately wanted to leave I would hope we allow him to
My understanding is Tottenham already offerred £43m for Mitro (£27m for Fulham and the £16m for Mitro over 5 years) in the winter transfer window. If he really wants to go now, he can take the pay cut to £3m so Fulham get £40m. If I was Mitrovoic, I'd hang around at least half a season, because if we are mid-table Fulham will be happy to sell him without a pay cut.
Quote from: davew on March 16, 2019, 04:24:48 PM
Quote from: Milo on March 16, 2019, 03:34:21 PM
Keep them to their contracts except Schurrle.
Seri in the Championship would be very interesting!
Schurrle and a few others have never been kept to their contracts, they were supposed to play football for us!
👍⚽️
Quote from: davew on March 16, 2019, 09:41:08 PM
Quote from: S.F.Sorrow on March 16, 2019, 09:18:13 PM
We will be missing Fredericks, Norwood, Kalas, Piazon and Ojo. They all made a contributions to our promotion season. Most of them not good enough to be starters but at least they provided some depth to a very thin squad.
Preseason was a disaster but I fear we may be even worse prepared for next season. When our current loan players have left and a few others (probably) sold there won't be much left. What makes any of you think TK is capable of providing us with a decent Championship squad? It will all be last minute panic deals again. Just look at the permanent transfers we did for our promotion season:
Djalo, Cisse, Kamara, Fonte, Mollo, Christie.
Kamara was ok until he turned out to be a nutjob. But the rest? Most of the players on permanent deals that got us up were signed before TK was appointed Director of Everything. I have a really, REALLY bad feeling for next season. I know, it's far too soon to start worrying but that's what everyone told me back in July and look where we are now.
To be brief I think I agree with you, we could be in a lot of trouble next season, almost as bad as this season!
I have the same feeling.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 16, 2019, 01:44:19 PM
Interesting snippet in today's Times that if (!) we're relegated and Mitro decides to go we'd ask for £40m. He has 4 years left on his contract and no release clause. Also says that Seri, MleM and Schurrle have relegation pay cuts built in to their contracts and would want to go.
Hope we can cash in on Mitro. Sad to see him go. The rest can go asap including Seri.
Quote from: Robbie on March 16, 2019, 03:33:54 PM
Mitro is a fine player but it is totally unproven he is PL quality. He has been pretty average this season and does not look fit enough.
£40m .... Kerching ! That is 6 decent C-Ship players.
With better support,better croses,quality wingers and one more quality striker to free him space in attacking actions..he will very easy proove that he is non that "average" as you think
Just remember first 7-8 games...
I cant bet that Kane or Aguero can do more in this squad...
Quote from: the nutflush on March 16, 2019, 11:19:17 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 16, 2019, 01:44:19 PM
Interesting snippet in today's Times that if (!) we're relegated and Mitro decides to go we'd ask for £40m. He has 4 years left on his contract and no release clause. Also says that Seri, MleM and Schurrle have relegation pay cuts built in to their contracts and would want to go.
Hope we can cash in on Mitro. Sad to see him go. The rest can go asap including Seri.
Fine to cash in on Mitro so long as we don't still have a jackass in charge of recruitment who will misspend said cash.
I'd take 40 mil for him. Did little again today.
Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 16, 2019, 01:44:19 PM
Interesting snippet in today's Times that if (!) we're relegated and Mitro decides to go we'd ask for £40m. He has 4 years left on his contract and no release clause. Also says that Seri, MleM and Schurrle have relegation pay cuts built in to their contracts and would want to go.
All kinds of good in this post.
I love Mitro...but if you get 40 million for him you can bring in a quality replacement striker with a bit more pace.
People know how I feel about MLM, Seri and Schurrle.
All three can go and I wouldn't lose a second of sleep. They'll need to be replaced...but I'd get younger up and coming players for all of them.
Quote from: PartizanFC on March 17, 2019, 08:33:31 AM
Quote from: Robbie on March 16, 2019, 03:33:54 PM
Mitro is a fine player but it is totally unproven he is PL quality. He has been pretty average this season and does not look fit enough.
£40m .... Kerching ! That is 6 decent C-Ship players.
With better support,better croses,quality wingers and one more quality striker to free him space in attacking actions..he will very easy proove that he is non that "average" as you think
Just remember first 7-8 games...
I cant bet that Kane or Aguero can do more in this squad...
Their much higher work rate, faster pace and clinical finishing when healthy says you're wrong.
I agree that Mitro could do with more service though, but he's not the kind of striker the premiere league is moving towards. Good hold up #9s who don't have pace aren't the rule, they are the exception.
Giroud and Lukaku are better versions of Mitro and neither starts for their team.
Bite the hand off anyone that's going to give 40 million for Mitro (I don't think anyone is going to do it)
Quote from: fulhamben on March 17, 2019, 04:28:16 PM
I'd take 40 mil for him. Did little again today.
Agree.
Been disappointed in him last few games,yes the support into him isn't great,but you see strikers playing same role as him go hunting the ball to create something, he seems to be waiting for it most of the time now...Think he's had enough imo.
Mitrovic hasn't done a lot for a while now and it may seem good business to cash in on him come the end of the season.
But just stop and think, there just isn't a replacement in sight and remember how we were struggling for a striker before he arrived.
Benitez was right, Mitro is not a PL striker.
He has some strengths but at this level the defenders are big, strong and mobile, something Mitro struggles with. He will play a tune for us again next season in the championship, but if someone wants to offer £40m then we should bite thier hand off.
Quote from: Luka on March 17, 2019, 05:50:00 PM
Benitez was right, Mitro is not a PL striker.
He has some strengths but at this level the defenders are big, strong and mobile, something Mitro struggles with. He will play a tune for us again next season in the championship, but if someone wants to offer £40m then we should bite thier hand off.
Couldn't disagree more.
Luckily for us he is off form at the moment so not putting himself in the shop window, which in any case must be difficult in such a crap team, but he remains a top, PL quality player IMO
Quote from: Statto on March 17, 2019, 08:25:00 PM
Quote from: Luka on March 17, 2019, 05:50:00 PM
Benitez was right, Mitro is not a PL striker.
He has some strengths but at this level the defenders are big, strong and mobile, something Mitro struggles with. He will play a tune for us again next season in the championship, but if someone wants to offer £40m then we should bite thier hand off.
Couldn't disagree more.
Luckily for us he is off form at the moment so not putting himself in the shop window, which in any case must be difficult in such a crap team, but he remains a top, PL quality player IMO
Agree with Statto. Said on another thread that he was playing against top quality defenders today, in a game where we weren't allowed to give him quality service. Can't blame our team; Liverpool are just better, as well as being well-organized and hard working. But for me, even if Mitro is not top 4, he is good premier league standard.
Quote from: Whitesideup on March 17, 2019, 08:32:38 PM
But for me, even if Mitro is not top 4, he is good premier league standard.
I'm another who agrees with that. Apart from goal threat -- if provided with more service -- he has the link- and hold-up play to participate in Premier League quality moves.
No way should we sell Mitrovic unless he wants to leave.
We've seen this season that money doesn't buy you instant success. Mitrovic would terrorise every CL defence next year and is our ticket out of that league.
Bryan is starting to kick on now and fulfil a Target role.
We need to retain players whatever it takes.
I see Babel's interview in Dutch press suggests he's off. Shouldn't play again in my opinion as he won't be around next year. Same for Vietto, same for Schurrle. Chambers only exception because he can play CB .. and we clearly need a new signing in that position so he's not blocking anyone else's development.
Quote from: filham on March 17, 2019, 05:43:43 PM
Mitrovic hasn't done a lot for a while now and it may seem good business to cash in on him come the end of the season.
But just stop and think, there just isn't a replacement in sight and remember how we were struggling for a striker before he arrived.
We will find somebody (anybody) on the last day of the next transfer window!
Quote from: Milo on March 20, 2019, 09:15:54 AM
No way should we sell Mitrovic unless he wants to leave.
We've seen this season that money doesn't buy you instant success. Mitrovic would terrorise every CL defence next year and is our ticket out of that league.
Bryan is starting to kick on now and fulfil a Target role.
We need to retain players whatever it takes.
I see Babel's interview in Dutch press suggests he's off. Shouldn't play again in my opinion as he won't be around next year. Same for Vietto, same for Schurrle. Chambers only exception because he can play CB .. and we clearly need a new signing in that position so he's not blocking anyone else's development.
Very Wise, although I'm more of the belief "No way should we sell Mitrovic even if he desperately wants to leave".
Quote from: filham on March 17, 2019, 05:43:43 PM
Mitrovic hasn't done a lot for a while now and it may seem good business to cash in on him come the end of the season.
But just stop and think, there just isn't a replacement in sight and remember how we were struggling for a striker before he arrived.
The emboldened portion is absolutely priceless advice to anyone believing the Club is capable of making rational changes to personnel when needed.
We just don't do sensible replacements for those who move on do we?
If Mitro wants out then I suggest we replace him before we sell him, and make sure the replacement(s) really are good enough.
Quote from: Whitesideup on March 17, 2019, 08:32:38 PM
Quote from: Statto on March 17, 2019, 08:25:00 PM
Quote from: Luka on March 17, 2019, 05:50:00 PM
Benitez was right, Mitro is not a PL striker.
He has some strengths but at this level the defenders are big, strong and mobile, something Mitro struggles with. He will play a tune for us again next season in the championship, but if someone wants to offer £40m then we should bite thier hand off.
Couldn't disagree more.
Luckily for us he is off form at the moment so not putting himself in the shop window, which in any case must be difficult in such a crap team, but he remains a top, PL quality player IMO
Agree with Statto. Said on another thread that he was playing against top quality defenders today, in a game where we weren't allowed to give him quality service. Can't blame our team; Liverpool are just better, as well as being well-organized and hard working. But for me, even if Mitro is not top 4, he is good premier league standard.
I am really not sure what this phase "not premier league quality striker" means, because the phase has been applied to every player in our squad including Mitrovoic. For me, any sane definations of the phase "premier league quality striker" included Mitrovoic. Firstly, he is in the top 20 scorers. Secondly, he would be bought by most teams in the league. Thridly, most defenses we play have a focus of keeping Mitrovoic from scoring, which indicates they rate him.
Where was this supposed interview saying Babel is off?
I assumed as much but would love to keep him
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Sadly we have rarely seen the Mitrovic of last season. Its no good talking about potential or what a player is capable of on his day, He has weaknesses and maybe in a better team that expects closer ball control and better passing he might come up short. On the other hand he may well flourish if played to his strengths and less of this back to the goal lone guy up front stuff.
In the championship next season surely we can expect a reapeat of last seasons return to form? But if the player wants out then he has to go. Ande that's the same with any player. Once they don't want to be here it doesn't matter who we want to keep or let go.
Player power rules.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on March 17, 2019, 04:33:02 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 16, 2019, 01:44:19 PM
Interesting snippet in today's Times that if (!) we're relegated and Mitro decides to go we'd ask for £40m. He has 4 years left on his contract and no release clause. Also says that Seri, MleM and Schurrle have relegation pay cuts built in to their contracts and would want to go.
All kinds of good in this post.
I love Mitro...but if you get 40 million for him you can bring in a quality replacement striker with a bit more pace.
People know how I feel about MLM, Seri and Schurrle.
All three can go and I wouldn't lose a second of sleep. They'll need to be replaced...but I'd get younger up and coming players for all of them.
[/quoteQuote from: AnOldBrownie on March 17, 2019, 04:33:02 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 16, 2019, 01:44:19 PM
Interesting snippet in today's Times that if (!) we're relegated and Mitro decides to go we'd ask for £40m. He has 4 years left on his contract and no release clause. Also says that Seri, MleM and Schurrle have relegation pay cuts built in to their contracts and would want to go.
All kinds of good in this post.
I love Mitro...but if you get 40 million for him you can bring in a quality replacement striker with a bit more pace.
People know how I feel about MLM, Seri and Schurrle.
All three can go and I wouldn't lose a second of sleep. They'll need to be replaced...but I'd get younger up and coming players for all of them.
If we were to get £40m for Mitrovic we would never find a better striker than him but would settle for someone not up to the job.
Quote from: filham on March 23, 2019, 09:32:02 PM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on March 17, 2019, 04:33:02 PM
Quote from: Southcoastffc on March 16, 2019, 01:44:19 PM
Interesting snippet in today's Times that if (!) we're relegated and Mitro decides to go we'd ask for £40m. He has 4 years left on his contract and no release clause. Also says that Seri, MleM and Schurrle have relegation pay cuts built in to their contracts and would want to go.
All kinds of good in this post.
I love Mitro...but if you get 40 million for him you can bring in a quality replacement striker with a bit more pace.
People know how I feel about MLM, Seri and Schurrle.
All three can go and I wouldn't lose a second of sleep. They'll need to be replaced...but I'd get younger up and coming players for all of them.
If we were to get £40m for Mitrovic we would never find a better striker than him but would settle for someone not up to the job.
Amen, promotion earns £170m which is more than £40m. If we want to sell Mitro, we need his replacement here for six months first.
Quote from: Statto on March 17, 2019, 08:25:00 PM
Quote from: Luka on March 17, 2019, 05:50:00 PM
Benitez was right, Mitro is not a PL striker.
He has some strengths but at this level the defenders are big, strong and mobile, something Mitro struggles with. He will play a tune for us again next season in the championship, but if someone wants to offer £40m then we should bite thier hand off.
Couldn't disagree more.
Luckily for us he is off form at the moment so not putting himself in the shop window, which in any case must be difficult in such a crap team, but he remains a top, PL quality player IMO
In one sense Mitro is a non suited to the premier league. I think Mitro is one of best half dozen strikers outside the top six teams. But in one sense he doesn't fit well in the premier league anywhere. He is not good enough to a first choice at most of the top six, he seems like the kind of guy that will struggle on the bench, and he is not a great count attacker due to his pace so maybe not ideal for most relegation teams. I guess he would be good for non top six and non relegation counter attack team.
Where he is brilliant is in a congested penalty area with service, cross a great ball within half a metre of him and even if triple marked his dangerous. He is thus probably the best striker outside the top six starters to have in the championship if you have a team that is going to provide service.
We were so close and the Khans blew it.
If Mitro goes, and he might not, we won't find a replacement for a decade.
Quote from: The Rock on March 24, 2019, 12:13:35 AM
If Mitro goes, and he might not, we won't find a replacement for a decade.
This is very true!
Quote from: The Rock on March 24, 2019, 12:13:35 AM
We were so close and the Khans blew it.
If Mitro goes, and he might not, we won't find a replacement for a decade.
The Khans haven't blown it, this time next year we could be where Norwich City is (expecting promotion). We have very good Championship players (eg Anguissa and Bryan), a few very saleable assets and poor teamwork with 4 months to fix. If we lost the playoff final and FFC had this team on the 26th May 2018, then i'd be very optimistic.
Our performance against Liverpool is better than i think Norwich could do right now. I think this team can get promoted next season and i think this team can with a little development and recruitment, we can average 1 point per game in the premier league in 18 months time.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 24, 2019, 02:52:53 AM
Quote from: The Rock on March 24, 2019, 12:13:35 AM
We were so close and the Khans blew it.
If Mitro goes, and he might not, we won't find a replacement for a decade.
The Khans haven't blown it, this time next year we could be where Norwich City is (expecting promotion). We have very good Championship players (eg Anguissa and Bryan), a few very saleable assets and poor teamwork with 4 months to fix. If we lost the playoff final and FFC had this team on the 26th May 2018, then i'd be very optimistic.
Our performance against Liverpool is better than i think Norwich could do right now. I think this team can get promoted next season and i think this team can with a little development and recruitment, we can average 1 point per game in the premier league in 18 months time.
I was speaking of the past. The Khans have blown this opportunity of staying up. If Mitro leaves, history shows we have had great difficulty in finding a striker that good, and the Khans have a history of not being able to produce good decision making in player recruitment.
You are avoiding the facts. Not rational, but speculative no?
Quote from: The Rock on March 24, 2019, 11:21:08 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 24, 2019, 02:52:53 AM
Quote from: The Rock on March 24, 2019, 12:13:35 AM
We were so close and the Khans blew it.
If Mitro goes, and he might not, we won't find a replacement for a decade.
The Khans haven't blown it, this time next year we could be where Norwich City is (expecting promotion). We have very good Championship players (eg Anguissa and Bryan), a few very saleable assets and poor teamwork with 4 months to fix. If we lost the playoff final and FFC had this team on the 26th May 2018, then i'd be very optimistic.
Our performance against Liverpool is better than i think Norwich could do right now. I think this team can get promoted next season and i think this team can with a little development and recruitment, we can average 1 point per game in the premier league in 18 months time.
I was speaking of the past. The Khans have blown this opportunity of staying up. If Mitro leaves, history shows we have had great difficulty in finding a striker that good, and the Khans have a history of not being able to produce good decision making in player recruitment.
You are avoiding the facts. Not rational, but speculative no?
'Fraid I have to agree with you. There is no guarantee we will keep the nucleus of the side that Rational believe would do well in the Championship next year (who knows). We could just as easily see several key players depart. The fact is the Khans have blown it. If they were to get another chance then let's hope lessons have been learned.
Quote from: Twig on March 24, 2019, 08:02:37 PM
Quote from: The Rock on March 24, 2019, 11:21:08 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 24, 2019, 02:52:53 AM
Quote from: The Rock on March 24, 2019, 12:13:35 AM
We were so close and the Khans blew it.
If Mitro goes, and he might not, we won't find a replacement for a decade.
The Khans haven't blown it, this time next year we could be where Norwich City is (expecting promotion). We have very good Championship players (eg Anguissa and Bryan), a few very saleable assets and poor teamwork with 4 months to fix. If we lost the playoff final and FFC had this team on the 26th May 2018, then i'd be very optimistic.
Our performance against Liverpool is better than i think Norwich could do right now. I think this team can get promoted next season and i think this team can with a little development and recruitment, we can average 1 point per game in the premier league in 18 months time.
I was speaking of the past. The Khans have blown this opportunity of staying up. If Mitro leaves, history shows we have had great difficulty in finding a striker that good, and the Khans have a history of not being able to produce good decision making in player recruitment.
You are avoiding the facts. Not rational, but speculative no?
'Fraid I have to agree with you. There is no guarantee we will keep the nucleus of the side that Rational believe would do well in the Championship next year (who knows). We could just as easily see several key players depart. The fact is the Khans have blown it. If they were to get another chance then let's hope lessons have been learned.
The Khan's haven't blown it, the "Summer Transfer Window of 2018" is only a disaster if any of those players leave before we get promoted.
If Seri or Anguissa leaves, it will be a "disaster on the profit and loss statement", which will cause a disaster on the football field.
If Mitro leaves, it will be a "on-field disaster" straight away, and any profit we make on the "profit and loss statement" will be wasted.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 25, 2019, 12:14:53 AM
Quote from: Twig on March 24, 2019, 08:02:37 PM
Quote from: The Rock on March 24, 2019, 11:21:08 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 24, 2019, 02:52:53 AM
Quote from: The Rock on March 24, 2019, 12:13:35 AM
We were so close and the Khans blew it.
If Mitro goes, and he might not, we won't find a replacement for a decade.
The Khans haven't blown it, this time next year we could be where Norwich City is (expecting promotion). We have very good Championship players (eg Anguissa and Bryan), a few very saleable assets and poor teamwork with 4 months to fix. If we lost the playoff final and FFC had this team on the 26th May 2018, then i'd be very optimistic.
Our performance against Liverpool is better than i think Norwich could do right now. I think this team can get promoted next season and i think this team can with a little development and recruitment, we can average 1 point per game in the premier league in 18 months time.
I was speaking of the past. The Khans have blown this opportunity of staying up. If Mitro leaves, history shows we have had great difficulty in finding a striker that good, and the Khans have a history of not being able to produce good decision making in player recruitment.
You are avoiding the facts. Not rational, but speculative no?
'Fraid I have to agree with you. There is no guarantee we will keep the nucleus of the side that Rational believe would do well in the Championship next year (who knows). We could just as easily see several key players depart. The fact is the Khans have blown it. If they were to get another chance then let's hope lessons have been learned.
The Khan's haven't blown it, the "Summer Transfer Window of 2018" is only a disaster if any of those players leave before we get promoted.
If Seri or Anguissa leaves, it will be a "disaster on the profit and loss statement", which will cause a disaster on the football field.
If Mitro leaves, it will be a "on-field disaster" straight away, and any profit we make on the "profit and loss statement" will be wasted.
The only thing I can partially agree with here is that if Mitro leaves it may be an "on-field disaster" if the Khan's repeat past mistakes and don't find a proper replacement. Doesn't change the facts.
Quote from: The Rock on March 26, 2019, 02:38:42 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 25, 2019, 12:14:53 AM
Quote from: Twig on March 24, 2019, 08:02:37 PM
Quote from: The Rock on March 24, 2019, 11:21:08 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 24, 2019, 02:52:53 AM
Quote from: The Rock on March 24, 2019, 12:13:35 AM
We were so close and the Khans blew it.
If Mitro goes, and he might not, we won't find a replacement for a decade.
The Khans haven't blown it, this time next year we could be where Norwich City is (expecting promotion). We have very good Championship players (eg Anguissa and Bryan), a few very saleable assets and poor teamwork with 4 months to fix. If we lost the playoff final and FFC had this team on the 26th May 2018, then i'd be very optimistic.
Our performance against Liverpool is better than i think Norwich could do right now. I think this team can get promoted next season and i think this team can with a little development and recruitment, we can average 1 point per game in the premier league in 18 months time.
I was speaking of the past. The Khans have blown this opportunity of staying up. If Mitro leaves, history shows we have had great difficulty in finding a striker that good, and the Khans have a history of not being able to produce good decision making in player recruitment.
You are avoiding the facts. Not rational, but speculative no?
'Fraid I have to agree with you. There is no guarantee we will keep the nucleus of the side that Rational believe would do well in the Championship next year (who knows). We could just as easily see several key players depart. The fact is the Khans have blown it. If they were to get another chance then let's hope lessons have been learned.
The Khan's haven't blown it, the "Summer Transfer Window of 2018" is only a disaster if any of those players leave before we get promoted.
If Seri or Anguissa leaves, it will be a "disaster on the profit and loss statement", which will cause a disaster on the football field.
If Mitro leaves, it will be a "on-field disaster" straight away, and any profit we make on the "profit and loss statement" will be wasted.
The only thing I can partially agree with here is that if Mitro leaves it may be an "on-field disaster" if the Khan's repeat past mistakes and don't find a proper replacement. Doesn't change the facts.
So, i assume you don't agree that selling Anguiisa won't be a disaster on the profit and loss statement. Do you seriously think we sell him at a profit? If we sell him at a loss, what profitability players would you like to sell to balance the books?
If you sell Seri or Anguissa at a loss, then you need to balance the books by selling a highly profitable player like Betts, Cairney, Any Sessegnon and Mitro.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 26, 2019, 11:10:26 PM
Quote from: The Rock on March 26, 2019, 02:38:42 PM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 25, 2019, 12:14:53 AM
Quote from: Twig on March 24, 2019, 08:02:37 PM
Quote from: The Rock on March 24, 2019, 11:21:08 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on March 24, 2019, 02:52:53 AM
Quote from: The Rock on March 24, 2019, 12:13:35 AM
We were so close and the Khans blew it.
If Mitro goes, and he might not, we won't find a replacement for a decade.
The Khans haven't blown it, this time next year we could be where Norwich City is (expecting promotion). We have very good Championship players (eg Anguissa and Bryan), a few very saleable assets and poor teamwork with 4 months to fix. If we lost the playoff final and FFC had this team on the 26th May 2018, then i'd be very optimistic.
Our performance against Liverpool is better than i think Norwich could do right now. I think this team can get promoted next season and i think this team can with a little development and recruitment, we can average 1 point per game in the premier league in 18 months time.
I was speaking of the past. The Khans have blown this opportunity of staying up. If Mitro leaves, history shows we have had great difficulty in finding a striker that good, and the Khans have a history of not being able to produce good decision making in player recruitment.
You are avoiding the facts. Not rational, but speculative no?
'Fraid I have to agree with you. There is no guarantee we will keep the nucleus of the side that Rational believe would do well in the Championship next year (who knows). We could just as easily see several key players depart. The fact is the Khans have blown it. If they were to get another chance then let's hope lessons have been learned.
The Khan's haven't blown it, the "Summer Transfer Window of 2018" is only a disaster if any of those players leave before we get promoted.
If Seri or Anguissa leaves, it will be a "disaster on the profit and loss statement", which will cause a disaster on the football field.
If Mitro leaves, it will be a "on-field disaster" straight away, and any profit we make on the "profit and loss statement" will be wasted.
The only thing I can partially agree with here is that if Mitro leaves it may be an "on-field disaster" if the Khan's repeat past mistakes and don't find a proper replacement. Doesn't change the facts.
So, i assume you don't agree that selling Anguiisa won't be a disaster on the profit and loss statement. Do you seriously think we sell him at a profit? If we sell him at a loss, what profitability players would you like to sell to balance the books?
If you sell Seri or Anguissa at a loss, then you need to balance the books by selling a highly profitable player like Betts, Cairney, Any Sessegnon and Mitro.
I'd agree PnL wise they would likely be a loss. But they are already a loss. The money is just gone, that's all. It's just Tony spending daddy's money. It is already a disaster.
We sell Anguissa for £5m, and buy another MF for the same price, it is well within FFP rules, and potentially on lower wages as well.
Fair play to say it depends on how you view it. On a mark to market basis, it's a loss anyway you cut it UNLESS the player starts to perform.
Quote from: Milo on March 24, 2019, 12:33:43 AM
Quote from: The Rock on March 24, 2019, 12:13:35 AM
If Mitro goes, and he might not, we won't find a replacement for a decade.
Andy Carroll ?????
This is very true!
