for the second time this season.
Clear penalty - Rico lost the game for us not the ref
Quote from: Nick Bateman on March 14, 2019, 05:46:54 PM
Prediction: Sadio Mané to dive at least THREE times and get free kicks EVERY time!
Rico made a mistake but Mané dived theactrically as predicted! Penalty was hit at Rico also, he moved out of the way - should be Rico's last match for Fulham.
He is a good shot stopper but not a good goal keeper - does not control the area - poor on crosses rarely catches punches poorly- in the build up to the first goal Chambers is begging him to come for the ball but he never does meaning Chambers has to hoof the ball and we lose possession from which they score. Button would have been just as good/bad if Bents was injured. Has cost us many points this season
Rico had his arms on him but the way he dived!!!!
They say a good goalkeeper is either brave or mad. Rico is neither of those. Buy Joe Hart next season!
PS: One has to compliment Sky's neutrality, two Liverpool pundits in the studio and Jamie "Spit" Carragher in the commentary. Independent Tim Cahill said it was no penalty however.
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on March 17, 2019, 04:10:09 PM
Clear penalty - Rico lost the game for us not the ref
+1. An idiotic goalkeeping error . It was a clear penalty.
Very soft penalty penalty, in my opinion. His dive was embarrassing and it would not have been given if that was one of our players. Not the kind of decision you should be getting on the road.
Quote from: mancwhite on March 17, 2019, 04:16:40 PM
He is a good shot stopper but not a good goal keeper - does not control the area - poor on crosses rarely catches punches poorly- in the build up to the first goal Chambers is begging him to come for the ball but he never does meaning Chambers has to hoof the ball and we lose possession from which they score. Button would have been just as good/bad if Bents was injured. Has cost us many points this season
I wouldn't go as far as your last comment, but I agree with everything else. He's conceded probably as many goals as he's made good saves...but the overall defense is what cost Fulham points this year.
TODAY...Rico cost the game. I don't think it was a penalty, but he should have caught the initial ball in.
I won't miss Rico next season.
I'd like to see a few of the other loaners come back though. Babel, Fosu-Mensah (he has upside regardless of what he people say about him), Chambers...
Those 3 players could excel in the Championship and they aren't going to get minutes on their home teams.
Rico....
BYE.
Quote from: cottage expat on March 17, 2019, 04:20:56 PM
Quote from: Slaphead in Qatar on March 17, 2019, 04:10:09 PM
Clear penalty - Rico lost the game for us not the ref
+1. An idiotic goalkeeping error . It was a clear penalty.
Totally agree.
His inability to catch and hold ANYTHING that comes his way is a liability for us, week-in and week-out we see the same from him. Add the panic he showed this time in grabbing at the striker and the inevitable end was a penalty.
Ref very relieved to give penalty...... didn't want to upset Liverpool/Premier League .......
Experienced so many times now......
All day a penalty
Wasn't there a topic handball,if so wasn't he picked.
Quote from: Wingnut on March 17, 2019, 04:20:56 PM
Very soft penalty penalty, in my opinion. His dive was embarrassing and it would not have been given if that was one of our players. Not the kind of decision you should be getting on the road.
I'm certain that it wouldn't have been given if it had been one of our players. And would Mitro's goal have stood if that had been Salah?
Replayed the "pen" from all angles. Tim Cahill had it spot on. Rico didn´t grab Mane down. His hand just brushed across the front of Mane´s shirt. VAR would have overturned the pen.
It is so sad to see obvious world class players cheat. Then also to grin like a Cheshire cat after the award & also at the final whistle.
Hernandez school of cheating gets a new scholar.
Are we ignoring the fact Fabinho should have gone before half time with two challenges insider 5 mins. Had he not have been on a yellow he would have got one for that tackle, the public want Man City to win the league but seems the FA are determined as hell to make sure Liverpool get in there first
Quote from: DevonFFC on March 17, 2019, 04:43:24 PM
Are we ignoring the fact Fabinho should have gone before half time with two challenges insider 5 mins. Had he not have been on a yellow he would have got one for that tackle, the public want Man City to win the league but seems the FA are determined as hell to make sure Liverpool get in there first
Agreed!
Haven't seen any replays yet but I would guess that had Becker put an arm around Ayite's waist and our man had thrown himself to the ground in the same theatrical manner as Mane then he would have booked for simulation. We all know it is going on; the FA knows it is going on; the officials know it is going on; but none of them is big enough to stop it.
I thought the ref had a decent game.
Quote from: SP on March 17, 2019, 06:55:58 PM
I thought the ref had a decent game.
Shhhhh :033: They might notice you're speaking some sense :022: :005:
He's holding onto him, it's so very clear. At first I thought he was going to let go of him, then he held onto him even longer. Sorry, that's the equivalent of slide tackling a player with your backfoot - it's still a foul.
The last decent unbiased ref was Alan Wiley, always gave us a fair crack, how it should be.
So unbiased Fergie called him unfit and didn't think he should be a Premier referee.
Always impressed by his performances...... Well done Alan, retired with your head held high.
Quote from: SP on March 17, 2019, 06:55:58 PM
I thought the ref had a decent game.
So Fabinho shouldn't have had a second yellow?
The ref was right definitely a penalty. Pity he didn't give Rico a straight red
Quote from: Whitesideup on March 17, 2019, 08:17:36 PM
Quote from: SP on March 17, 2019, 06:55:58 PM
I thought the ref had a decent game.
So Fabinho shouldn't have had a second yellow?
Not from the view I had from the Riverside, by the sounds of it you had a better view & are better placed to judge?
Craig Pawson yet another Big Four Bitch.
I think the ref did have a decent game. It is not right to expect the ref to have a perfect game but not bad
Quote from: Nick Bateman on March 17, 2019, 04:49:40 PM
Quote from: DevonFFC on March 17, 2019, 04:43:24 PM
Are we ignoring the fact Fabinho should have gone before half time with two challenges insider 5 mins. Had he not have been on a yellow he would have got one for that tackle, the public want Man City to win the league but seems the FA are determined as hell to make sure Liverpool get in there first
Agreed!
Someone talking sense at last hooeffinrsy
You see more grappling , shirt pulling, pushing & shoving at every corner & rarely is anything given. Rico didn´t grab hold of Mane. His left hand brushed across his front. Never enough contact to make the cheat collapse with arms & legs like an upside down tortoise.
Quote from: Whitesideup on March 17, 2019, 08:17:36 PM
Quote from: SP on March 17, 2019, 06:55:58 PM
I thought the ref had a decent game.
So Fabinho shouldn't have had a second yellow?
I'm not certain how many (current) refs would have given him a second yellow for that foul, even though had he not been on a yellow he would have gotten one. Very few times do we ever see anything like that consistency. Even worse was a comment made during one game this past week where a terrible foul was committed within minutes of the start and to paraphrase the comment "it's too early in the game for a red", I believe it was studs at chest height.
Over both matches v Liverpool this season the decisions have been heavily weighted in Liverpool's favour. Coincidence? Luck? Unfair bias (subliminal or otherwise)? Just wondering.
Quote from: Fernhurst on March 17, 2019, 04:26:05 PM
Ref very relieved to give penalty...... didn't want to upset Liverpool/Premier League .......
Experienced so many times now......
Sorry, that's rose tinted at best.
With Rico grabbing at him, what was the ref supposed to do - and yes, Sane did make an absolute meal of it.
Rico cost us that penalty - plan and simple.
He's just not a very good goalkeeper.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on March 17, 2019, 04:11:42 PM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on March 14, 2019, 05:46:54 PM
Prediction: Sadio Mané to dive at least THREE times and get free kicks EVERY time!
Rico made a mistake but Mané dived theactrically as predicted! Penalty was hit at Rico also, he moved out of the way - should be Rico's last match for Fulham.
Without Betts Rico has to continue to play, we have no other keeper capable.
Quote from: MikeTheCubed on March 17, 2019, 09:03:40 PM
Craig Pawson yet another Big Four Bitch.
Ha ha! like it.
In real time yesterday I thought it looked ridiculously harsh.
In the first replay i saw (in McBride's) i still thought it was ridiculously harsh.
I have now watched this incident again about 15 times on the offal highlights and I have to say that when Rico spills the ball, i think that Mane might have got to it first if he was not held back... hard to say from the angle, but that combined with the fact that Rico keeps his hand on him for far too long kind of makes it an easy decision for the ref (who i thought did OK by the way)
Even though we lost (as expected - Liverpool were 1-6 for the win on Paddy Power), we did put up a fight and for a period in the second half, we had them very worried. The performance is more important really at this stage and i for one am really hoping that Scotty P gets given the chance to take the club forward.
Quote from: The Old Count on March 18, 2019, 09:13:48 AM
Over both matches v Liverpool this season the decisions have been heavily weighted in Liverpool's favour. Coincidence? Luck? Unfair bias (subliminal or otherwise)? Just wondering.
Definitely biased.
Quote from: Whitesideup on March 17, 2019, 08:17:36 PM
Quote from: SP on March 17, 2019, 06:55:58 PM
I thought the ref had a decent game.
So Fabinho shouldn't have had a second yellow?
He should and IMO that lack of decision by the ref turned the game.
He clearly favoured them fronm start to finish, not halsey or oliver or riley or dean or mason or one of many others bias but none the less was always going to give liverpool a penalty.... in fact (or if you prefer opinion) if it was the other end and mitro went down then he would have been booked for diving. We all know that. IMO it was a pen and Rico is a shambles.
From looking at the highlights it was very soft but as he was going away from goal did he have to grab him.
Quote from: Nick Bateman on March 17, 2019, 04:11:42 PM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on March 14, 2019, 05:46:54 PM
Prediction: Sadio Mané to dive at least THREE times and get free kicks EVERY time!
Rico made a mistake but Mané dived theactrically as predicted! Penalty was hit at Rico also, he moved out of the way - should be Rico's last match for Fulham.
To be honest, FFC's goalkeeping this season has been rather poor. Needs an upgrade heading into the Championship. Our keepers (mostly Rico?) have not been sure of themselves, punching away many balls/crosses/corners/etc when it was surely clear that the ball could have been easily caught. Lots of unnecessary punch outs tells me the keeper isn't sure of himself and hasn't taken steps to be in the right position. Sure, a few spectacular saves here and there, but every keeper at this level makes great saves, it's expected at this level. But moving forward, methinks FFC had better improve on their goal tending.
Quote from: WindyCity on March 18, 2019, 03:46:40 PM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on March 17, 2019, 04:11:42 PM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on March 14, 2019, 05:46:54 PM
Prediction: Sadio Mané to dive at least THREE times and get free kicks EVERY time!
Rico made a mistake but Mané dived theactrically as predicted! Penalty was hit at Rico also, he moved out of the way - should be Rico's last match for Fulham.
To be honest, FFC's goalkeeping this season has been rather poor. Needs an upgrade heading into the Championship. Our keepers (mostly Rico?) have not been sure of themselves, punching away many balls/crosses/corners/etc when it was surely clear that the ball could have been easily caught. Lots of unnecessary punch outs tells me the keeper isn't sure of himself and hasn't taken steps to be in the right position. Sure, a few spectacular saves here and there, but every keeper at this level makes great saves, it's expected at this level. But moving forward, methinks FFC had better improve on their goal tending.
I think we will have to make the best of Betts, hard to see a really good keeper wanting to play for us in the Championship with our defensive record.
Quote from: filham on March 18, 2019, 05:09:35 PM
Quote from: WindyCity on March 18, 2019, 03:46:40 PM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on March 17, 2019, 04:11:42 PM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on March 14, 2019, 05:46:54 PM
Prediction: Sadio Mané to dive at least THREE times and get free kicks EVERY time!
Rico made a mistake but Mané dived theactrically as predicted! Penalty was hit at Rico also, he moved out of the way - should be Rico's last match for Fulham.
To be honest, FFC's goalkeeping this season has been rather poor. Needs an upgrade heading into the Championship. Our keepers (mostly Rico?) have not been sure of themselves, punching away many balls/crosses/corners/etc when it was surely clear that the ball could have been easily caught. Lots of unnecessary punch outs tells me the keeper isn't sure of himself and hasn't taken steps to be in the right position. Sure, a few spectacular saves here and there, but every keeper at this level makes great saves, it's expected at this level. But moving forward, methinks FFC had better improve on their goal tending.
I think we will have to make the best of Betts, hard to see a really good keeper wanting to play for us in the Championship with our defensive record.
Well, that would be disappointing. This defense is leaky enough, and a stronger keeper would almost seem a requirement/high priority. Anyway, you may be right, FFC will be a level lower, and may be difficult to recruit a strong net minder. I do feel though, that throughout this season, our goal keeping has been well below average, even taking into account that our back 4 or 5 haven't been very good.
Quote from: WindyCity on March 19, 2019, 03:01:02 PM
Quote from: filham on March 18, 2019, 05:09:35 PM
Quote from: WindyCity on March 18, 2019, 03:46:40 PM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on March 17, 2019, 04:11:42 PM
Quote from: Nick Bateman on March 14, 2019, 05:46:54 PM
Prediction: Sadio Mané to dive at least THREE times and get free kicks EVERY time!
Rico made a mistake but Mané dived theactrically as predicted! Penalty was hit at Rico also, he moved out of the way - should be Rico's last match for Fulham.
To be honest, FFC's goalkeeping this season has been rather poor. Needs an upgrade heading into the Championship. Our keepers (mostly Rico?) have not been sure of themselves, punching away many balls/crosses/corners/etc when it was surely clear that the ball could have been easily caught. Lots of unnecessary punch outs tells me the keeper isn't sure of himself and hasn't taken steps to be in the right position. Sure, a few spectacular saves here and there, but every keeper at this level makes great saves, it's expected at this level. But moving forward, methinks FFC had better improve on their goal tending.
I think we will have to make the best of Betts, hard to see a really good keeper wanting to play for us in the Championship with our defensive record.
Well, that would be disappointing. This defense is leaky enough, and a stronger keeper would almost seem a requirement/high priority. Anyway, you may be right, FFC will be a level lower, and may be difficult to recruit a strong net minder. I do feel though, that throughout this season, our goal keeping has been well below average, even taking into account that our back 4 or 5 haven't been very good.
I think we will be fine. Bettinelli is a competent Championship keeper, and so is Rodak according to reports. We also at the moment have Fabri.
Magnus Norman is at this moment our third choice keeper. He is an imposing looking keeper standing 193cm, and played for Rochdale on loan up until January when he was recalled to deputise for Betts. No one seems to mention him when considering keepers for next Season. I suggest next season our the main Keepers should be Betts, Norman and Rodak.
