How did he play overall yesterday? He got hopelessly lost for their opener with little apparent motivation to stop any cross for the goal.
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That is a little harsh. After another scape goat are we?
No Andy, my only view was on TV and that is how he came over to me.
I thought he played well, and dealt with a dangerous left sided attack of Mane and Robertson very well, given he was isolated a lot and was clearly told to play narrow.
Won a few tackles and looked very decent, a definite upgrade on Christie or Odoi at right back for sure.
There's no need to scapegoat him, November was the last time he started a match, and he was up against the best left back in the league, and the most in form player in the league arguably.
I was very impressed with his performance, and a little disappointed when he came off, truth be told.
Bog - in my view, actually not him, Frank lost Firmino's run don't know if TFM should have stayed with Mane or he should have been picked up by CB's as he ran across. I would say that was probably the best TFM played, 2 really good tackles (1 missed tackle that could have been costly) he was better than Denis tho'
Quote from: bog on March 18, 2019, 10:14:09 AM
No Andy, my only view was on TV and that is how he came over to me.
I recorded the game and watched it after I got back. The commentators were constantly remarking in how exposed we were on our right flank ( nothing new this season) other than we were playing Floyd and TFM
So Bog whilst I thought he visibly put in more effort- positionally he still fell short. So I don't think your take on his performance was harsh
Surprised TFM was selected , thought he had done enough in earlier matches to keep him out of the team for the rest of his stay with us.
Sorry, he looked a shade better than previously but still not up to the job. We have a major problem in that position as we have never replaced Fredericks, Liverpool were aware of this and seemed to be intent on attacking our right flank.
I thought he played well on the whole and is better than Christie / Odoi in the RB position. Had he played there for all the games those two did I think we may be in a slightly? better position.
Thanks for your response fellow Fulham supporters. On thing that does seem to come out of it is that Scott is improving the players. Always a good sign if a little too late.
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Thanks for your response fellow Fulham supporters. On thing that does seem to come out of it is that Scott is improving the players. Always a good sign if a little too late.
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that is good piont that Scotty is making the better.
HV71 and filham summed TFM up for me. He was better than previously but not by very much, IMO. Notes suggesting he was better than Odoi in the right back area are fanciful to say the least.
Not sure we have a decent right back in the squad since Fredericks was lost to us, and I would like young S Sessegnon to at least be given a chance to show what he can do, but I guess that may have to wait until the when and if we are officially down.
I cannot understand why S Sess has not been given chance. Have to say i do not share the feeling that Odoi is our best right back.
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For their first goal he ran off Firmino allowing him to get well into the box, just as Odoi did with Hazard in the Chelsea game for their goal - they were identical!!! Why not confront the attacker well outside the box, when there is more cover behind you, if a foul is committed then you have a chance to defend it. Lay off the attacker and any mistimed tackle becomes a penalty if we can see it why can't the coaching staff??
I thought generally that was the best defensive display we have seen this season.
Liverpool's first goal would probably been a goal against any other team in the premiership
but instead of being any other team we criticize our own team rather than give credit.
Read all the papers at the library this morning, mostly all about Liverpool not much about us. (whets new???).
Only one article in written by a femail reporter in the times gave a proper in depth view of the match which was a welcome
change from all those others wearing red spectacles.
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I thought generally that was the best defensive display we have seen this season.
Liverpool's first goal would probably been a goal against any other team in the premiership
but instead of being any other team we criticize our own team rather than give credit.
Read all the papers at the library this morning, mostly all about Liverpool not much about us. (whets new???).
Only one article in written by a femail reporter in the times gave a proper in depth view of the match which was a welcome
change from all those others wearing red spectacles.
Hello Terry, I began watching with the ump after listening to rubbish Talksport's commentary that made us sound so inept. But I thought we looked not as bad. Have to say that Babel's chasing down put their keeper under pressure and he messed it up, it was not all just a big cock up. In the Mail yesterday there were two pages on Liverpool and not one word about us. :031: :031: :031:
I have been critical of him in the past, but today he played well considering he was against some of the best forwards in the Premier League. For the Liverpool's first we let Mane give the ball and go unmarked. The report in the Mail is at best written by a pool fan and the way he describes our goal does not really give Babel enough credit.
The one thing I find concerning is that both Mensa and Christie both have the tendancy to just jog back when we lose the ball.
FM was poor IMO he was rash in his decison making, didn't get close enough quick enough to the player in possesion and stood off too far.
When he went forward he certainly took way to long and made to little effort in getting back.
In the Mail today Fosu-Mensah is the fastest player in the Premier League this season! 21.24 mph.
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The one thing I find concerning is that both Mensa and Christie both have the tendancy to just jog back when we lose the ball.
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In the Mail today Fosu-Mensah is the fastest player in the Premier League this season! 21.24 mph.
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Yes. Very noticeable Gang. Why doesn't F-M use that speed to get back into the box and defend? Lack of commitment perhaps? Same comment for Christie - he doesn't seem to bothered about running towards his own goal either!
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In the Mail today Fosu-Mensah is the fastest player in the Premier League this season! 21.24 mph.
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It would be nice to see that pace in attack occasionally as we are not getting behind defences these days.
Quote from: Frackleheath on March 18, 2019, 01:28:14 PM
For their first goal he ran off Firmino allowing him to get well into the box, just as Odoi did with Hazard in the Chelsea game for their goal - they were identical!!! Why not confront the attacker well outside the box, when there is more cover behind you, if a foul is committed then you have a chance to defend it. Lay off the attacker and any mistimed tackle becomes a penalty if we can see it why can't the coaching staff??
Don't know what you saw but that didn't happen. Mane ran at TFM who backed into the box. Firmino ran from outside the box past our back four, Frank let him run, Mane passed to Firmino then Mane ran across goal into our back 4 not being directly picked up by anyone. TFM didn't go with him, Firmino passed back and easy tap in. Just a really good move by Liverpool. Harsh to blame any individual for an error better to praise a good move and well worked goal.
Quote from: Andy S on March 18, 2019, 09:33:44 AM
That is a little harsh. After another scape goat are we?
we are literally having the worst season in our entire existence. There is no such thing as a scape goat in our squad. Only crap players who some stick up for in blind loyalty.
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Quote from: Andy S on March 18, 2019, 09:33:44 AM
That is a little harsh. After another scape goat are we?
we are literally having the worst season in our entire existence. There is no such thing as a scape goat in our squad. Only crap players who some stick up for in blind loyalty.
Sorry that's hyperbole clearly relegation to the bottom division and just surviving there were worse seasons, getting relegated from the top division has happened to Fulham before on more than one occasion
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Quote from: Andy S on March 18, 2019, 09:33:44 AM
That is a little harsh. After another scape goat are we?
we are literally having the worst season in our entire existence. There is no such thing as a scape goat in our squad. Only crap players who some stick up for in blind loyalty.
Sorry that's hyperbole clearly relegation to the bottom division and just surviving there were worse seasons, getting relegated from the top division has happened to Fulham before on more than one occasion
how many points did we get in that season? Because by you definition, we are having what somewhere around our 25th best season ever purely because of the league we are in
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Quote from: Andy S on March 18, 2019, 09:33:44 AM
That is a little harsh. After another scape goat are we?
we are literally having the worst season in our entire existence. There is no such thing as a scape goat in our squad. Only crap players who some stick up for in blind loyalty.
Sorry that's hyperbole clearly relegation to the bottom division and just surviving there were worse seasons, getting relegated from the top division has happened to Fulham before on more than one occasion
how many points did we get in that season? Because by you definition, we are having what somewhere around our 25th best season ever purely because of the league we are in
In all honesty that's how I feel. Given the division we're in, it can't be our worst ever season
He struggled. Not good enough unfortunately, but we are far from blessed with defensive options.
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Quote from: Andy S on March 18, 2019, 09:33:44 AM
That is a little harsh. After another scape goat are we?
we are literally having the worst season in our entire existence. There is no such thing as a scape goat in our squad. Only crap players who some stick up for in blind loyalty.
Sorry that's hyperbole clearly relegation to the bottom division and just surviving there were worse seasons, getting relegated from the top division has happened to Fulham before on more than one occasion
how many points did we get in that season? Because by you definition, we are having what somewhere around our 25th best season ever purely because of the league we are in
In all honesty that's how I feel. Given the division we're in, it can't be our worst ever season
well it is, do you think derby pro claimed it a good season she they amassed just 11 points, because they were in the prem. We are well on course for our worst ever season, that's just how it is.
Quote from: @jolslover on March 18, 2019, 10:35:46 AM
I thought he played well on the whole and is better than Christie / Odoi in the RB position. Had he played there for all the games those two did I think we may be in a slightly? better position.
This was my view.
He played narrow (leaving a lot of space on the wing) because he was apparently told to play narrow. Joe played the same way on the left, left the same amount of space...yet Joe had Babel helping him out. Ayite gave TF no assistance on the right.
He's better than Odoi and Christie at RB.
Considering he was thrown into a game to defend Sadio Mane, I thought he did well.
On the goal Mane score, Timbo released him at a point...not sure what he could have done to prevent Mane from scoring.
Quote from: toshes mate on March 18, 2019, 01:05:55 PM
HV71 and filham summed TFM up for me. He was better than previously but not by very much, IMO. Notes suggesting he was better than Odoi in the right back area are fanciful to say the least.
Not sure we have a decent right back in the squad since Fredericks was lost to us, and I would like young S Sessegnon to at least be given a chance to show what he can do, but I guess that may have to wait until the when and if we are officially down.
Explain why he isn't better than Odoi at right back?
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FM was poor IMO he was rash in his decison making, didn't get close enough quick enough to the player in possesion and stood off too far.
When he went forward he certainly took way to long and made to little effort in getting back.
You completely miss that 30 yard sprint he did to get to Robertson in the 1st half? At an angle where Robertson should have clearly got to the ball before him yet Timothy got there at exactly the same time as him.
I agree that he is rash, and I agree that he takes too long to close on a player. Joe Bryan has the same fault, as does Odoi. I think Christie is a little better than it.
ALL the defenders not named Chambers look like they need a rest every other offensive possession so I don't think Timbo should be singled out.
Instructions for both our FBs looked to contain and only commit if can make a sure tackle. That's why we didn't get beat with pace down the sides as much. TFM played an outstanding game. He dove into tackles when 100% sure and he made contact with the ball. He slowed down the attack, allowing our numbers to regroup, even if it meant he would need to be isolated.
Match of the Day this season is always a laugh, watching our defenders getting borderline abused by the pundits is somewhat comical.
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank gave TFM an absolute bollocking, he didn't get across to close down Mané and Robertson at any point (unlike Bryan on the other side), went flying in and missed early on, linked up terribly with Ayité defensively, and all in all looked horrible. Bryan on the other side did much better and I really like the look of him now.
We look absolutely horrible down our Right no matter who plays there. Odoi never commits to the tackle, and with Nordtviet out (any update on that, by the way?), Christie is probably the best of a bad bunch there - that said, Christie was good at Championship level when he deputised for Fredericks, but the fact Freddo has yet to be replaced there is probably one of the biggest things TK got wrong in July and January.
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I cannot understand why S Sess has not been given chance. Have to say i do not share the feeling that Odoi is our best right back.
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I agree. I am hoping S Sess will be given his chance next yr in the Championship!
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HV71 and filham summed TFM up for me. He was better than previously but not by very much, IMO. Notes suggesting he was better than Odoi in the right back area are fanciful to say the least.
Not sure we have a decent right back in the squad since Fredericks was lost to us, and I would like young S Sessegnon to at least be given a chance to show what he can do, but I guess that may have to wait until the when and if we are officially down.
Explain why he isn't better than Odoi at right back?
You explain to me how he was better than Odoi on Sunday first. Since you cannot possibly do that (unless you have a magical power of time travelling to kick off with Odoi in the side which you could put into practice with my express approval right now!) then it is reduced to opinion - smart ass.
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Quote from: Andy S on March 18, 2019, 09:33:44 AM
That is a little harsh. After another scape goat are we?
we are literally having the worst season in our entire existence. There is no such thing as a scape goat in our squad. Only crap players who some stick up for in blind loyalty.
Sorry that's hyperbole clearly relegation to the bottom division and just surviving there were worse seasons, getting relegated from the top division has happened to Fulham before on more than one occasion
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Yes a lot of us remember those times when it looked like we may fall out of the football league, Dicks out and all that.
The difference is of course is that in those days we didn't have two pennies to rub together and our plight was understandable. Now we have spent £100 million on players we expect a lot better
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Quote from: Andy S on March 18, 2019, 09:33:44 AM
That is a little harsh. After another scape goat are we?
we are literally having the worst season in our entire existence. There is no such thing as a scape goat in our squad. Only crap players who some stick up for in blind loyalty.
Sorry that's hyperbole clearly relegation to the bottom division and just surviving there were worse seasons, getting relegated from the top division has happened to Fulham before on more than one occasion
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Yes a lot of us remember those times when it looked like we may fall out of the football league, Dicks out and all that.
The difference is of course is that in those days we didn't have two pennies to rub together and our plight was understandable. Now we have spent £100 million on players we expect a lot better
Exactly that, the club isn't in financial trouble, good crowds and for the last 2 home games better football to watch. As for this seasons points/goals conceded well as we've proved repeatedly stats aren't everything. (My glass is a full pint today - even if it has some space in the top half)
