Good win today, and against Everton.
I am interested however in what everyone thinks Parker brings to the team as a manager?
What is his style?
Personally I think it is just good man management and allowing his backroom staff more influence. I am concerned that the "honeymoon effect" might be giving us some false confidence.
However, I do believe if we keep the team next year then they have enough quality to get promoted again and it is indeed mainly just good man management we need to get the most out of them. So therefore he would be a good managerial appointment in that regard.
He was just on BBC Final Score, and pretty much said he really wants the job. Certainly seems very enthused and saying the right things, comes across very positive and determined.
Agreed. I'm already Scott Parker in...but
2 clean sheets in a row, two wins against top 12 sides AND the team looks well structured offensively and defensively...
beat Cardiff next week and I don't see why Scott shouldn't be the man leading Fulham into the Championship next season.
Players play for him. Owners like him. He can keep his coaching staff who has been getting good play on the pitch.
Come on you Whites!! Now it's about getting Cardiff relegated along with us.
Wait...you meant Bournemouth...right?
Claudio has proven that experience isn't the sole requirement of becoming a good manager. Scott Parker could end up becoming Fulham's own version of Eddie Howe.
I think a big difference is that we have a defensive coach. Joca didn't listen to him with disastrous consequences.
Agree with Milo in that I don't see a Scotty Parker playing style yet. But in addition to the two wins, the players acquitted themselves well against Chelsea and other top sides. Perhaps we could do worse than stick with SP and start planning now for the summer rather than suffer yet more disruption with a new appointment.
Would be nice to hear some of the parker out critics on here they seem to be a bit absent tonight
Quote from: gang on April 20, 2019, 05:33:47 PM
I think a big difference is that we have a defensive coach. Joca didn't listen to him with disastrous consequences.
Agreed.
But Joka didn't have the defensive coach Stuart Gray. He was let go at the start of the season when Parker came in.
You can see SP's style it's more possession based but not like SJ. There is a practicality to the defending, they are not afraid to boot it if necessary. He's turned AFZA into a good player for Fulham, although he is helped by chambers along side him.
Hardly a Honeymoon period when he lost his first 5, He down what over more experienced managers have failed to do notice the defence was the main problem and got a defecse coach in Stuart Gray in to help sort it and seems to have built a bit of team spirt
I think you have to be extremely careful... notice how results also took a more significant upturn when Stuart Gray came back into the coaching staff. I think he seems like a Ray Lewington type - never really on the front line or given the credit, but gets this club and is happy as a second man to help guide and manage when needs be.
Yes results have improved, but they have improved since we got relegated and I think that is more down to the players shift in attitude and having something to play for. We can all see significant improvements to a man of each player and when Parker first came in, those weren't there as much.
I don't want Fulham to do a Man Utd, where they make a rushed decision when the pressure is off and players have something to play for and make the assumption things will stay the same. I think Parker would stay at the club if we got in a more experienced Manager and someone he could learn off, so why not do things that way? Silly to put all your eggs in one basket.
I'm still not sure to be honest.
Yes, we've won two on the bounce, but that is probably more to do with the players not being under any pressure and playing more relaxed. Scott has been around the team twice now, and both times we have got worse. He doesn't have the experience to get us up, but then on the flip side, how does anyone learn without trying?
Quote from: Nero on April 20, 2019, 06:07:14 PM
Hardly a Honeymoon period when he lost his first 5, He down what over more experienced managers have failed to do notice the defence was the main problem and got a defecse coach in Stuart Gray in to help sort it and seems to have built a bit of team spirt
But nobody expected much from his first 5 in all honesty, or if they did, they must have been crazy.
lol,
Very tough fixtures
Agree with most on here tho.
Still not sure myself but if it means we can keep some decent players then I'd go for SP and see how he gets on.
No guarantee of success with the people "the management" appoint....
Agree with OP.
This squad was always going to get better (a) as the season progressed and they got to know each other and (b) as others have said, with the pressure off after we were relegated. I attribute our recent wins to those factors more than anything Parker has done.
Also agree with those pointing out, quite rightly, there was nothing impressive about his first 5 games, when it mattered.
With all that said I agree with the OP that if we can keep this team together, all it needs is a safe pair of hands to steer it to promotion next year and Parker, whose USP appears to be man management, may well provide that.
Also agree it's relevant that the majority of the Khans' managerial appointments have been poor, so there's no guarantee that the alternative to Parker will be a half decent manager anyway.
He just has to stop calling Harry Redknapp "Dad" :-)
Quote from: General on April 20, 2019, 06:16:30 PM
I think Parker would stay at the club if we got in a more experienced Manager and someone he could learn off, so why not do things that way? Silly to put all your eggs in one basket.
What do you want him to learn that he hasn't already learned under Slav and Claudio...or with other managers that have coached him when he was a player?
How to not work with his assistant managers?
How to not play defense?
How to alienate players like Tom Cairney and Ryan Sessegnon?
There is no reason for anyone to decide yet on our manager for next season but if Scot keeps winning he certainly makes a good case for getting the job
Even though I am very happy with the two consecutive wins and clean sheets, I still think we should get a more experienced manager next season. Parker's experience as manager at the end of the season will consist of 10 games and this is a very small sample for us to decide thart we should roll the dice with him. He might prove to be the new Eddie Howe or the new Tim Sherwood and it will be as risky as when we gave the permanent role to Kit Symons after a few good games.
I would like us to get someone with more experience (not necessarily in the Championship or in England), some experience in winning and a reputation for good football. Yes, the Khans have made mistakes when it comes to managerial appointments, but let's not forget they brought Jokanovic too. I would like them to interview Thomas Christiansen, the ex-Leeds manager. He has experience of the Championship and the English football, has won a league title (albeit in Cyprus - also two runner-up finishes), didn't do badly at Leeds and the football was easy on the eye.
If he could just teach Frank that pirouette.....
I noticed Gray was very vocal addressing the players before they came on.. suggesting for me he is being given more a free reign under Parker to mark his influence c.f. under Jokanovic.
Also were the various short corner moves a product of Matt Wells? Seeing as we've not seen them previous? Or you think could be Parker slowly introducing things as he gets his feet under the table?
Also noticed that Sess on the RW under Ranieri was mostly a disaster. Today in the second half he really grew into it?
In relation to playing styłe, he has got the team running and trying much harder. Been waiting for this all season.
Three more togo yet.
We are genuinely playing better withmore style. The first few for parker were ridiculously hard top sides and we did ok but not able to get results. A couple of difficult other games not quite going to plan. But yet i think we did see improvemwnt. Thesectwo wins were welcome and i hope he keeps it up for all our sakes.
Should it be parker?
Maybe, he is better than most other names being suggested and i suspect a couple more wins and the job is his.
Only a managerlike slav could upset the appointment, not one of the merry go round boys or sam/moyes yesterday's news. I prefer a younger approach with vision and ambition so why not.
On that there Radio London one Steve Sidwell was the co commentator. He does a reasonable job actually but one of his key comments today was about the failings of the Ranieri regime and that it was never going to work out. He did not quote any specific members of staff but it is very likely that he still has close contacts. That being said in those circumstances any change of regime would be seen as a fresh start/ a new beginning but if we are being fair those opening five fixtures were not expected to glean much from as long ago as Christmas when the slide began to gather pace. SP seems to be respected, he has the players support, he has a coaching staff that seem more connected to the Club and players and now he has six points where many on here would have grabbed one. If we beat Cardiff, and I acknowledge the risk of riding the wave of sudden, long overdue euphoria, then give the job to SP. The players might want to buy into the next project with him if they see the owners buying in early. It will save the acrimony of another lost summer and Clark and Lennon can get on with their current jobs.
Quote from: Milo on April 20, 2019, 05:22:33 PM
Good win today, and against Everton.
I am interested however in what everyone thinks Parker brings to the team as a manager?
What is his style?
Personally I think it is just good man management and allowing his backroom staff more influence. I am concerned that the "honeymoon effect" might be giving us some false confidence.
However, I do believe if we keep the team next year then they have enough quality to get promoted again and it is indeed mainly just good man management we need to get the most out of them. So therefore he would be a good managerial appointment in that regard.
Honestly, I think he seems to understand the strengths and weakness of his players and is trying to play a style that suits them best. I do not care for MLM as a CB, but SP has rightly decided that they needed to stick with a center back pairing and go with it. No more chop and change... 2 clean sheets pop up with 3/4 of the back 4 remaining consistent and 8 or 9 starters remaining the same.
I agree that relegation has freed several players up, but there was definitely an indication certain players, TC, Frank, Sess, Tim Ream, Bryan, Ayite were already picking up their performances before the team was relegated.
Like many have stated, I do not necessarily trust the Khan's ability to appoint a manager, but think continuity is in Fulham's best interest. If they keep 3/4's of the first 18 intact and the manager for the start of the Championship it is the club's best chance at promotion next season. Another slow start marked by a new manager, style, and a turnover of half of the 18 would be a disaster. IMO Fulham are currently in their preseason for 2019-20 and Parker is doing a good job building a foundation for next season.
Three mtches to go, lets see what it looks like at the end of the season but right now Parker looks settled and less of a risk than any other manager.
I think the feel good factor is back for the players which will improve the chances of the bigger names staying.
However, Macdonald and Johansen. If it is up in the air about who will be here next year.. do we not need to make more of an effort to get these two on side? For me, that's playing Macdonald? Even as a sub?
A couple of weeks back I supported Scott Parker but I also wanted a new Number one. Now I've changed my mind. Whether it is Scott Parker or the whole coaching team that get credit is unclear. However no w is not the time for change whatever the next few weeks bring
I am amazed that no one on here has spoken of the most obvious change Parker has made. In both last week and yesterday's games we played 4 at the back, three in midfield (with an extra covering player ie both Anguissa and Chambers) no Christie, and 2/3 up front.Schurlle is toast now thank goodness.
Slavisa was trying to play last year's tactics with an inferior team and Claudio stuck with 3 centre backs, even though Bryan and Christie could not attack or defend properly.
Huge change because everyone knows where they are meant to be now, and no big holes. Of course we still make individul errors and Rico is useless on crosses. Claudio was this year's Felix I am afraid.
Basic stuff. And better man motivation.
Quote from: clarkey on April 21, 2019, 10:17:31 AM
I am amazed that no one on here has spoken of the most obvious change Parker has made. In both last week and yesterday's games we played 4 at the back, three in midfield (with an extra covering player ie both Anguissa and Chambers) no Christie, and 2/3 up front.Schurlle is toast now thank goodness.
Slavisa was trying to play last year's tactics with an inferior team and Claudio stuck with 3 centre backs, even though Bryan and Christie could not attack or defend properly.
Huge change because everyone knows where they are meant to be now, and no big holes. Of course we still make individul errors and Rico is useless on crosses. Claudio was this year's Felix I am afraid.
Basic stuff. And better man motivation.
So Slav's 4-3-3 but the likes of Chambers and Anguissa have found their feet. Also Gray has better marshalled the back 4.
Must be frustrating to Slav to watch what "could have been"..
Quote from: Milo on April 21, 2019, 10:59:08 AM
Quote from: clarkey on April 21, 2019, 10:17:31 AM
I am amazed that no one on here has spoken of the most obvious change Parker has made. In both last week and yesterday's games we played 4 at the back, three in midfield (with an extra covering player ie both Anguissa and Chambers) no Christie, and 2/3 up front.Schurlle is toast now thank goodness.
Slavisa was trying to play last year's tactics with an inferior team and Claudio stuck with 3 centre backs, even though Bryan and Christie could not attack or defend properly.
Huge change because everyone knows where they are meant to be now, and no big holes. Of course we still make individul errors and Rico is useless on crosses. Claudio was this year's Felix I am afraid.
Basic stuff. And better man motivation.
So Slav's 4-3-3 but the likes of Chambers and Anguissa have found their feet. Also Gray has better marshalled the back 4.
Must be frustrating to Slav to watch what "could have been"..
Right, but SP has made the correct observation that Seri and TC together are too light defensively for this league.
As for Joka, his failing was changing the back 4 every single match. In hindsight, the club would have been better to just stick with him for the entire season, but it seemed like to best option at the time as the club were spiraling.
Quote from: WolverineFFC on April 21, 2019, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: Milo on April 21, 2019, 10:59:08 AM
Quote from: clarkey on April 21, 2019, 10:17:31 AM
I am amazed that no one on here has spoken of the most obvious change Parker has made. In both last week and yesterday's games we played 4 at the back, three in midfield (with an extra covering player ie both Anguissa and Chambers) no Christie, and 2/3 up front.Schurlle is toast now thank goodness.
Slavisa was trying to play last year's tactics with an inferior team and Claudio stuck with 3 centre backs, even though Bryan and Christie could not attack or defend properly.
Huge change because everyone knows where they are meant to be now, and no big holes. Of course we still make individul errors and Rico is useless on crosses. Claudio was this year's Felix I am afraid.
Basic stuff. And better man motivation.
So Slav's 4-3-3 but the likes of Chambers and Anguissa have found their feet. Also Gray has better marshalled the back 4.
Must be frustrating to Slav to watch what "could have been"..
Right, but SP has made the correct observation that Seri and TC together are too light defensively for this league.
As for Joka, his failing was changing the back 4 every single match. In hindsight, the club would have been better to just stick with him for the entire season, but it seemed like to best option at the time as the club were spiraling.
What people gloss over here is joka started the season with odoi suspended ream, Mawson, injured. Loads of new faces to fit, 2 new goalkeepers who were and are imo no better than Betts. Frank was getting dogs load of abuse about being useless and his transfer fee, but now he is settled is looking a decent player.
I would have kept joka for the season as I have faith that he maybe could have turned it round, as for SP I am still undecided, I still wonder if the upturn in players form is because they need to put in the effort to get a move away.
Honeymoon period equates to small sample size. So yes, one should be cautious about seeing something there that isn't. That said... it's super difficult to evaluate managers over even longer periods. Alex Ferguson was almost let go by MUFC at one point. Wenger's early success did't translate to sustained success. It all just depends. What is good management? What is success? It'll probably take another 20 managers for Fulham to find their Jesus manager who won't be around for long, because a bigger club will come and take him. See Roy Hodgson as an example. Roy is probably the John the Baptist of Fulham managers. Good, but not Jesus good.
Well Man Utd have given his credentials a boost by being beat 4 - 0 by Everton
Quote from: Andy S on April 20, 2019, 07:10:10 PM
There is no reason for anyone to decide yet on our manager for next season but if Scot keeps winning he certainly makes a good case for getting the job
+1. I just wish the players could have shown more character and fight in many of the previous games, if they had we probably wouldn't have been relegated. SP must receive some credit for the last 2 wins though, is he the right man to manage us, not sure?? He certainly seems passionate about FFC and the players seem to enjoy working for him, something not really shown under the previous 2 managers. I am changing my opinion in favour about whether Scott is the right man for the job, perhaps after the next few games I will be a member of the Scott in group.
If it is to be SP, will be more than happy if it is as I believe he has a calmness about him that allows him to get his message across, then it has to be announced in the next couple of weeks so all the players know what is happening next season
Hopefully thi s might convince the ones we want to stay not to look elsewhere
Everton ran 8k further than Man U yesterday, but lost to Fulham last week.
Are the players working harder under Parker?
For me Scott, Stuart Gray and Matt Wells may be the real deal for next season but let's see how we finish
Are the players performing for Scott? Maybe.
Are they pulling their collective fingers out to impress others for their agents to secure a move away from us this summer? Possibly
Yes, Everton and Bournemouth wins were thoroughly enjoyable especially after such a disappointing season. Are Wolves and Newcastle now on the beach too? It will be really interesting to watch how the players perform next Saturday. Cardiff are really going to be up for it and it is probably the last truly 'competitive' test for Scott and the players this season.
Quote from: RaySmith on April 22, 2019, 09:05:48 AM
Everton ran 8k further than Man U yesterday, but lost to Fulham last week.
Are the players working harder under Parker?
Even though Everton's running against Man U has little to do with it, I believe that the players are working harder under SP, or at least working more as a team whilst appearing a bit more cynical. There seem to be a lot of covering for other players, pressing in a more synchronized way and really just a determination to get the ball out of our area when under pressure.
I think Everton's running might show that they were more motivated and determined than some of the big names of Man U.
And Fulham's players have been criticised for lack of effort this season - some of the new signings.
8k more than Man U is a lot of extra effort , I think - running back, covering, etc. Are we doing more of this now, or just better organised?
Quote from: RaySmith on April 22, 2019, 09:05:48 AM
Everton ran 8k further than Man U yesterday, but lost to Fulham last week.
Are the players working harder under Parker?
Where are these figures published?
The stat that Everton ran 8k further than Man U, was given and the implications discussed - that maybe some of Man U's big name signings didn't work hard enough or care enough, on the 5 Live breakfast show this morning - the stats must be available presumably.
Quote from: Nero on April 20, 2019, 06:07:14 PM
Hardly a Honeymoon period when he lost his first 5, He down what over more experienced managers have failed to do notice the defence was the main problem and got a defecse coach in Stuart Gray in to help sort it and seems to have built a bit of team spirt
👍+1
