With Marlon and Steven competing for the right back spot we look set for that position in the championship with Odoi and Christie.
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After 8 months of rehab.......Wow!
What determination! I hope he gets the success he deserves next season.
I think Steven Sessegnon and one of Marlon Fossey or Dramah should play against Newcastle. We need to find out if they are good enough with Odoi for the bench next season, otherwise we need to buy full backs for the bench in the summer.
I know little about fossey besides he's had a nasty injury, but I saw him in the friendly preseason v sampdoria and I thought he looked very impressive.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 09, 2019, 06:01:50 AM
I think Steven Sessegnon and one of Marlon Fossey or Dramah should play against Newcastle. We need to find out if they are good enough with Odoi for the bench next season, otherwise we need to buy full backs for the bench in the summer.
As I have mentioned many times now, I don't believe that it makes almost any difference if they play against Newcastle or not. Even if they have a great game, it says little of whether or not they are ready to play a big part next season. And if they have a horrible game, it also doesn't mean that they will not be ready to play their part next season.
The ones actually involved can see the development of these players on a daily basis, and as such can actually make an informed decision based on that. Although I acknowledge that you can never really know how a player will respond to the added pressure of first team games, a sample size consisting of at most 90 minutes is worth almost nothing in this respect.
I am sure SP will play them if he deem they are the best for the job. If not, they will have to earn their place just like it should be.
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 09, 2019, 09:31:15 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 09, 2019, 06:01:50 AM
I think Steven Sessegnon and one of Marlon Fossey or Dramah should play against Newcastle. We need to find out if they are good enough with Odoi for the bench next season, otherwise we need to buy full backs for the bench in the summer.
As I have mentioned many times now, I don't believe that it makes almost any difference if they play against Newcastle or not. Even if they have a great game, it says little of whether or not they are ready to play a big part next season. And if they have a horrible game, it also doesn't mean that they will not be ready to play their part next season.
The ones actually involved can see the development of these players on a daily basis, and as such can actually make an informed decision based on that. Although I acknowledge that you can never really know how a player will respond to the added pressure of first team games, a sample size consisting of at most 90 minutes is worth almost nothing in this respect.
I am sure SP will play them if he deem they are the best for the job. If not, they will have to earn their place just like it should be.
If they are likely to be better than Christie and Odoi next season, we don't need to buy full backs and instead let them fight their way into the team. Otherwise, we need to buy improvements for Christie and Odoi in the summer. Maybe we buy improvements anyway and sell Odoi as soon as the youngest s are better than him.
Watched him for U23's the other week on Fulham TV. Looked impressive and got some pace but a big step up to the 1st team.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 09, 2019, 09:39:05 AM
Quote from: Sting of the North on May 09, 2019, 09:31:15 AM
Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 09, 2019, 06:01:50 AM
I think Steven Sessegnon and one of Marlon Fossey or Dramah should play against Newcastle. We need to find out if they are good enough with Odoi for the bench next season, otherwise we need to buy full backs for the bench in the summer.
As I have mentioned many times now, I don't believe that it makes almost any difference if they play against Newcastle or not. Even if they have a great game, it says little of whether or not they are ready to play a big part next season. And if they have a horrible game, it also doesn't mean that they will not be ready to play their part next season.
The ones actually involved can see the development of these players on a daily basis, and as such can actually make an informed decision based on that. Although I acknowledge that you can never really know how a player will respond to the added pressure of first team games, a sample size consisting of at most 90 minutes is worth almost nothing in this respect.
I am sure SP will play them if he deem they are the best for the job. If not, they will have to earn their place just like it should be.
If they are likely to be better than Christie and Odoi next season, we don't need to buy full backs and instead let them fight their way into the team. Otherwise, we need to buy improvements for Christie and Odoi in the summer. Maybe we buy improvements anyway and sell Odoi as soon as the youngest s are better than him.
I agree that whether or not they are ready has an impact on whether or not we may need to find other players for that position. I just disagree that potential playing time
against Newcastle makes much of a difference in determining whether or not they are ready.
I also believe that Christie and Odoi are good enough for next season if the rest of the squad is strong. They are both at the very least of a decent Championship level in my opinion. We don't have to have candidates for team of the year in every position. Not that I wouldn't like it, but more that it is unlikely to happen.
Until we know which players are leaving, I think it is difficult to say what we need. We have good or very good players for every position as it stands, and we also have some good bench players. Now, I don't believe we will keep every player and take up every contract extension that we can, but for now it is anyone's guess who will stay and who will leave.
I think SSess should play against NUFC, baptism in the EPL will provide a good test for his temperament. If he performs well he'll swagger into the Championship, whereas if he bottles it then next season still won't be as daunting.
We may have a very pleasant headache starting next season.
Sess Fossey. And Dramah are all very promising but they cannot all play at right back.
Press rumour says that Dramah is wanted by Liverpool and it may be a choice of finding another position for one of the other two.
Why should we train up Drameh just for Liverpool to grab him for a pittance?
The way of things I am afraid.
Steve Sess has played the odd game at centre back for us. I think he played there in an early cup game this season I think? Maybe we can stick him next to Mawson.
Quote from: simplyfulham on May 09, 2019, 12:23:34 PM
Steve Sess has played the odd game at centre back for us. I think he played there in an early cup game this season I think? Maybe we can stick him next to Mawson.
S Sess has never played CB, his 2 starts to date versus Wycombe and Bristol Rovers were at RB. Fossey is by far a better prospect.
Quote from: razor05 on May 09, 2019, 02:20:08 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on May 09, 2019, 12:23:34 PM
Steve Sess has played the odd game at centre back for us. I think he played there in an early cup game this season I think? Maybe we can stick him next to Mawson.
S Sess has never played CB, his 2 starts to date versus Wycombe and Bristol Rovers were at RB. Fossey is by far a better prospect.
He played there in the carabao cup game against Exeter this year. He came on for Alfie Mawson on his debut.
He's also played there the odd occasion in friendlies and reserve games.
Quote from: razor05 on May 09, 2019, 02:20:08 PM
Quote from: simplyfulham on May 09, 2019, 12:23:34 PM
Steve Sess has played the odd game at centre back for us. I think he played there in an early cup game this season I think? Maybe we can stick him next to Mawson.
S Sess has never played CB, his 2 starts to date versus Wycombe and Bristol Rovers were at RB. Fossey is by far a better prospect.
Played CB in a two against Exeter when he came on and as the RCB in a three against Millwall. Just depends on the system we want to use next season in-terms of where he'll end up. Personally think with the defenders we have a 3 at the back suits us (Mawson the ideal central Centre-Back, Bryan's better as a LWB so he can't get caught out at the back post as much etc.) and if we did end up with a 3, I'd see S. Sessegnon as a RCB and then have either Drameh or Fossey as a back-up RWB and loan the other one.
Quote from: Bill2 on May 09, 2019, 09:42:06 AM
Watched him for U23's the other week on Fulham TV. Looked impressive and got some pace but a big step up to the 1st team.
Nothing can be judged from that game.
My daughter had a mild MCL tear that had her miss 4 months of football. The first 2 games she played when she came back she played at about 75%.
Marlon will be ready to try out for the first team closer to summer time. He's reaction time and pace aren't what they will be in a few months.
Edit: It's time to give more youth 1st team games (Not against Newcastle this weekend) . Trent Alexander Arnold is Marlon's age and he's in the Champions League final as a starter, and he's started other Champions League games. (as a right back)
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Quote from: Bill2 on May 09, 2019, 09:42:06 AM
Watched him for U23's the other week on Fulham TV. Looked impressive and got some pace but a big step up to the 1st team.
Nothing can be judged from that game.
My daughter had a mild MCL tear that had her miss 4 months of football. The first 2 games she played when she came back she played at about 75%.
Marlon will be ready to try out for the first team closer to summer time. He's reaction time and pace aren't what they will be in a few months.
Edit: It's time to give more youth 1st team games (Not against Newcastle this weekend) . Trent Alexander Arnold is Marlon's age and he's in the Champions League final as a starter, and he's started other Champions League games. (as a right back)
I expect Marlon Fossey maybe loaned out to League One for the first half of next season. He looks like he can push Christie to the bench within a year or two.
A really constructive video about returning to professional football after knee ligament damage with Marlon showing the dedication required to get both legs back to equal strength. As someone who has suffered a medial collateral ligament tear I can vouch for the dedication needed to strengthen the damaged knee with or without an operation to reconstruct the ligament. The pictures of his strengthening routine brought back memories of my first days of recovery although I would never ever even attempt some of the feats seen in that video.
Marlon Fossey deserves a breakthrough into first team action when he is ready to do so.
Well, he's been named to the USA 40 man provisional Gold Cup roster (https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/05/20/us-mens-national-team-40-man-provisional-roster-2019-gold-cup) along with Mr. Ream. Here's hoping he gets playing time at the RB spot.
Hope he stays healthy.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on May 20, 2019, 11:48:13 PM
Well, he's been named to the USA 40 man provisional Gold Cup roster (https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/05/20/us-mens-national-team-40-man-provisional-roster-2019-gold-cup) along with Mr. Ream. Here's hoping he gets playing time at the RB spot.
Hope he stays healthy.
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Quote from: AnOldBrownie on May 20, 2019, 11:48:13 PM
Well, he's been named to the USA 40 man provisional Gold Cup roster (https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/05/20/us-mens-national-team-40-man-provisional-roster-2019-gold-cup) along with Mr. Ream. Here's hoping he gets playing time at the RB spot.
Hope he stays healthy.
I really don't think we absolutely need to buy a right back in the summer, because we have Christie, Odoi, S.Sess, Fossey, Dramah and Cisse there. We need forwards and a right sided centre back first, although a loan maybe a good idea in case youth doesn't work out but worst case is not terrible with christie / odoi.
Quote from: The Rational Fan on May 21, 2019, 07:29:48 AM
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on May 20, 2019, 11:48:13 PM
Well, he's been named to the USA 40 man provisional Gold Cup roster (https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/05/20/us-mens-national-team-40-man-provisional-roster-2019-gold-cup) along with Mr. Ream. Here's hoping he gets playing time at the RB spot.
Hope he stays healthy.
I really don't think we absolutely need to buy a right back in the summer, because we have Christie, Odoi, S.Sess, Fossey, Dramah and Cisse there. We need forwards and a right sided centre back first, although a loan maybe a good idea in case youth doesn't work out but worst case is not terrible with christie / odoi.
I agree that we may not have to buy a right back. However, S. Sess, Fossey and Drameh are all almost completely untried at the professional level, and Cisse is not a right back (only played a few games there in an inferior league like 6 years ago I believe). So we should assume it is Christie and Odoi, which is fine for me as well.
We need flank partnerships that work on both sides i.e. at least four players who are devastatingly quick to turn games around. Not sure who the four main partners will be yet but I sure hope they all work together in the manner of Targett/Sessegnon and Fredericks/Aluko, Piazon, Ayite (etc). In my opinion that also takes a lot of pressure off the two centre backs and the defensive midfielder. I hope Fossey is a big improvement on Christie in pace if nothing else, and may mean the latter can be shifted to midfield.
Quote from: toshes mate on May 21, 2019, 09:57:26 AM
We need flank partnerships that work on both sides i.e. at least four players who are devastatingly quick to turn games around. Not sure who the four main partners will be yet but I sure hope they all work together in the manner of Targett/Sessegnon and Fredericks/Aluko, Piazon, Ayite (etc). In my opinion that also takes a lot of pressure off the two centre backs and the defensive midfielder. I hope Fossey is a big improvement on Christie in pace if nothing else, and may mean the latter can be shifted to midfield.
Agreed.
One thing that I have yet to see from any of Fulham's fullbacks is the work rate Ryan Fredericks had in 17/18...plus 90% of the time he was the fastest man on the pitch. It helped a lot defensively.
Christie doesn't have it...Odoi can be straight line fast sometimes...but not like Fredericks...
Marlon is reportedly pacey. I haven't had the opportunity to see that. Hopefully he'll make the Gold Cup squad and I'll be able to see if he's a true runner or not.
So Marlon has a first team nunber (28)... As does Steven... So im going to stop begging for a RB. TK is obviously going with the youth for that spot behind Cyrus... And i approve.
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A lot appears to be riding on this young man getting healthy.
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Quote from: AnOldBrownie on August 08, 2019, 08:58:11 PM
A lot appears to be riding on this young man getting healthy.
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Or on Steven... or Odoi, or Christie
It's weird. I can't find anything on the internet regarding Marlon other than this story.
He's apparently Fulham's #28 now, but since his one game in the youth system earlier in the spring there has been nothing. No injury update, no loan to another squad, no game time with the youth squad.
It's like he dropped off the face of the earth.
Quote from: AnOldBrownie on September 05, 2019, 04:57:35 PM
It's weird. I can't find anything on the internet regarding Marlon other than this story.
He's apparently Fulham's #28 now, but since his one game in the youth system earlier in the spring there has been nothing. No injury update, no loan to another squad, no game time with the youth squad.
It's like he dropped off the face of the earth.
If it's any consolation, I saw him in my local Waitrose last week. So at least he still exists!
Also, he's looking a lot taller.
I gather from Spigs on Voy forums that he had another small set back injury wise, nothing to serious but they are just being very cautious with him as he'd just got back to full training.
Quote from: jayffc on September 05, 2019, 05:46:56 PM
I gather from Spigs on Voy forums that he had another small set back injury wise, nothing to serious but they are just being very cautious with him as he'd just got back to full training.
I hope it works out.
I want Sess to be challenged for that starting spot by someone young...who happens to be taller and faster than him.
