sitting in the JH stand as I do, before the game I started looking around and wondered if the putney end would be able to accomdate all the people from the Riverside.... and then the penny dropped, where will they put the chairman and his failing entourage... and presumably they will come back to the JH where Tommy Trinder used to sit. In which case where will they put the dislodged press and where will they host the pre and post match and half time tea.
I do hope this does not mean we will be disruppted too. Perhaps they can decamp to the cottage?
Hopwever I have the feeling m,y 60 year tenure in my current seat may be in danger! Maybe that is why there is such a delay because they do not know what to do with the press/directors box.
What about televised games? where do cameras go?
There was some vague references in the match programme on Sunday by the Chairman which suggested some delay in the progress of the new stand. He promised a full report soon.
My view is that if the demolition team are not working at the Cottage this morning then the project is already running late.
The more you think about all of this the more you think it will be delayed for another season and will eventually mean us moving from the Cottage during construction.
Chairman etc could sit on cottage balcony.
Quote from: filham on May 13, 2019, 11:17:58 AM
There was some vague references in the match programme on Sunday by the Chairman which suggested some delay in the progress of the new stand. He promised a full report soon.
My view is that if the demolition team are not working at the Cottage this morning then the project is already running late.
The more you think about all of this the more you think it will be delayed for another season and will eventually mean us moving from the Cottage during construction.
Never got to read the programme as I threw it away in disgust after the game, but rumours are flying around in that we will be playing at Loftus Rd for a season.
Quote from: Bill2 on May 13, 2019, 02:31:12 PM
Quote from: filham on May 13, 2019, 11:17:58 AM
There was some vague references in the match programme on Sunday by the Chairman which suggested some delay in the progress of the new stand. He promised a full report soon.
My view is that if the demolition team are not working at the Cottage this morning then the project is already running late.
The more you think about all of this the more you think it will be delayed for another season and will eventually mean us moving from the Cottage during construction.
Never got to read the programme as I threw it away in disgust after the game, but rumours are flying around in that we will be playing at Loftus Rd for a season.
FST meeting notes have always said that the club intends to maintain Craven Cottage as our home during the works. Even without the riverside stand, i think the cottage is bigger capacity wise than Loftus Road anyway.
Totally agree it won't be easy. In fact I would say it would be impossible. Where do the away supporters go if you put the riversides in the Putney end?
Muted yesterday at ground that announcement poss Tuesday about QPR ground share😞
If we lose the usual PL cheap seaters that will be 7-8k gone from our 24.5k capacity.
Hammersmith, Stevenage & Putney, (with reduced away fans/game due to lower capacity overall), will do the job imo.
Think it could work
ALGO1, I also sit in the JH stand just behind the press box and just like you looked around and thought this is where the Directors and Co will be sitting next season and having been there many years would be very upset at a move. Something you forgot to mention re the central area of the JH stand is that the dugout will probably right in front of the stand and therefore a number of people who now sit in the old Enclosure area will also be asked to move.
The more I think about it, although I don't like it, another move to QPR looks on the cards!
Well I for one won't be going QPR
Quote from: Kev on May 13, 2019, 05:07:46 PM
Well I for one won't be going QPR
I guess I will but not looking forward to it at all. Last time we were there I went from Cottage terraces to a Loftus Road seat, the Cottage terracing was much more comfortable.
I am on Riverside and if we move to Loftus Road, I will take a membership at best and perhaps will attend more away games than 'home' games ....
Quote from: Steven Ageroad on May 13, 2019, 04:39:58 PM
ALGO1, I also sit in the JH stand just behind the press box and just like you looked around and thought this is where the Directors and Co will be sitting next season and having been there many years would be very upset at a move. Something you forgot to mention re the central area of the JH stand is that the dugout will probably right in front of the stand and therefore a number of people who now sit in the old Enclosure area will also be asked to move.
The more I think about it, although I don't like it, another move to QPR looks on the cards!
To be honest, after I posted I did think about the dugouts but decided that I had depressed myself enough.
I think the whole thing is a ridiculous state of affairs. If they know they want the new stand then at that point it would have seemed prudent to decide how it would happen. The directors could go in the cottage and it is possible the dugouts could remain on the other side with a little imagination... however it just seems to me a ground share is most likely. I think if w would have stayed in the prem we could have gone to stamford bridge because of its additional size, but in this divison loftus road is more likely.
However, surely a proper statement should have been forthcoming.
The whole thing is a dog's breakfast. You couldn't make it up. If, and it's a huge if, the development goes ahead then a ground share at QPR would mean I would not renew my season two tickets. I kept them last time and didn't enjoy the experience.
I feel the same Loftarse road is a pit!
Good job we got relegated then as it will mean smaller crowds which will allow the redevelopment going ahead with lesser impact
Sorry but someone's position is surely under threat for this mess up.
The lack of communication is the worst thing , but the fact the stand has been drawn up and redrawn, contractors negotiated etc since 2012 and with the Khans since 2013, without s definitive seating rearrangements or placements defined is absolutely shambolic.
Yes they are dealing with it, but at the detriment to fans for next season.
Obviously something isn't right. Call it off and do it for definite next summer, with everything sorted
Why don't we move to Griffin Park for a season or two? I'm sure we'd be welcomed with open arms!
I think it has been a glinch in the Riverside development that is taking them longer to sort out.
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Posting this from the FFC Twitter account. Twitted around 3PM today the following.
The Club is aware of the demand from supporters regarding Season Ticket information.
We thank you for your patience. A Season Ticket update will be announced at the end of next week.
So, hopefully by end of week people will now what is going on :023:
Quote from: love4ffc on May 15, 2019, 03:57:06 PM
Posting this from the FFC Twitter account. Twitted around 3PM today the following.
The Club is aware of the demand from supporters regarding Season Ticket information.
We thank you for your patience. A Season Ticket update will be announced at the end of next week.[/i]
So, hopefully by end of week people will now what is going on :023:
Do you think they really mean that because I'm getting used to a lot of what comes out from the club being ambiguous at best these days ?
"An update " will mean an excuse or a reason, kicking the can down the road.
Trying to show intent while getting nothing done comes directly from the Theresa May school of leadership
Roll up roll up..... the circus continues. :dead horse:
I will renew my season ticket when the club is ready.
As long as it is before our first home game then I'm fine with the wait.
The longer the wait the longer my money is in my bank account.
No. I do not think lack of season ticket revenue will hamper transfers activity.
More importantly,when will be the decision on the Riverside?
This is the same shambolic planning reminiscent of last summer when the owners were unable to plan for the premier and assemble a squad until the last minute and then packed with loanees
How on earth has this man made so much money if he runs his main businesses like FFC ?
Talk about "being in the right place at the right time" or just very lucky
Just make a decision- for goodness sake - leave the stand and invest in the team so we are a premier club again
Then worry about the infrastructure
Is there an alternative argument here?
For building plan reasons and movement of fans, the Club may be trying not to cock it up and make sure it goes smoothly and wont announce anything until they are sure? Just saying there might be a honest reason for it as they will be lambasted if the do muck up.
As for infrastructure, the money spent on the build has no bearing on the money spent on the team from the financial rules set down by the Football league as far as I am aware?
As FFC73 stated, my money is better served in the bank and as long as I can get it sorted before the first game.
I could moan about Stats and how to buy players and agree with a lot of observations on here but some things take time to sort like a new stand. If the stand does not go ahead then that's a whole new subject that we have not arrived yet.
My two penny's any how.
It seems to me that the club being in the EFL now it's stick or twist with the Riverside and Khan snr is in a dilemma which questions his decision making.
It'll all come out in the wash as they say, there is no telling what will happen as we are not in the know. Sometimes for contractual reasons if buying players or maybe building a stand nothing can be said until deals are done.
Working in the development industry I can give them the benefit of the doubt - delays do occur with the best will and skilled team in the world on complex projects (which this is). It's not quite as simple as rocking up with the bulldozers.
Quote from: flyingfish on May 16, 2019, 09:17:42 AM
Working in the development industry I can give them the benefit of the doubt - delays do occur with the best will and skilled team in the world on complex projects (which this is). It's not quite as simple as rocking up with the bulldozers.
Too true. Many Riverside projects have been undone or delayed, at great cost, by unforseeable issues despite five year project assessments prior to the first excavation. Excalibur or the remains of Saxon Putney, (that's pre Waitrose for the millenials), may yet mess with the timetable. However we do seem to be on a roll of the Club being adrift from the fans. I thought an ST announcement was due in early April and the development project, despite assurances, does seem to be dragging on. If we assume existing ST's around the ground will be held for existing holders for a couple of weeks and then displaced Riversiders are allocated the best of the rest we are virtually in July. Our postie is a closet and lapsed Brentford fan who already has his ST for next season to be in the mix as they gear up for the move to the new, rather swanky stadium. Over recent years we never seem to operate quite as smoothly.
Quote from: Pieter A'dam on May 14, 2019, 09:17:49 AM
I am on Riverside and if we move to Loftus Road, I will take a membership at best and perhaps will attend more away games than 'home' games ....
That would be my plan too.
If, and it's a big if, the new stand is going ahead this year, then it would seem complexity of relocating everything has gotten the better of the management team. The plans could have been drawn up any time in the past year. So now season ticket revenue is deferred, supporters are puzzled. Not someone's finest hour.
If however the stand development isn't going ahead and season ticket release would have prematurely given the game away, then the main puzzlement is why not tell us and get it over with.
If they haven't decided whether the new stand is going ahead this summer, the sheer indecision suggests a demoralising tone from the top.
So I just can't see an explanation for the delay that is consistent with the concept of a well run organisation.
Reckon Riverside is postponed
I suspect that the stadium contractor is being slow to agree the final terms as they know that Fulham need to shift everyone round before they can get the season tickets sorted. So either something will be agreed or there will be a year's delay whilst they re-tender.
This stinks of pathetic indecision
There must have been 2 plans - one if we stay up and one if we go down the pan
Just stick to a decision - what is all the secret about ?
Quote from: love4ffc on May 15, 2019, 03:57:06 PM
Posting this from the FFC Twitter account. Twitted around 3PM today the following.
The Club is aware of the demand from supporters regarding Season Ticket information.
We thank you for your patience. A Season Ticket update will be announced at the end of next week.
So, hopefully by end of week people will now what is going on :023:
On twitter?
you have to be on twitter to get that update, that is not a good way to communicate.
Quote from: flyingfish on May 16, 2019, 09:17:42 AM
Working in the development industry I can give them the benefit of the doubt - delays do occur with the best will and skilled team in the world on complex projects (which this is). It's not quite as simple as rocking up with the bulldozers.
I think we all know and have every sympathy with that, especially at a riverside site.
What is not understood is the lack of clarity in communicating.
If the Riverside was going ahead then work should already have started, as it hasn't, why not? Not a difficult thing to tell us.
The other question I haven't seen an answer to is, when does the planning permission expire. Remember it was applied for in Mo's time. Surely they won't let slip by and have to reapply
.... and another thing is that even without the Riverside stand our capacity would still more than twice that of Griffin Park.
Quote from: Mike the White on May 16, 2019, 05:05:29 PM
The other question I haven't seen an answer to is, when does the planning permission expire. Remember it was applied for in Mo's time. Surely they won't let slip by and have to reapply
Quick local authority search gives a couple of current applications:
Most recent regarding changes to the listed Johnny Haynes stand to change a press area into a lounge.
With regards the Riverside, the initial application was 2016. Decision date issued was 27th Oct 2017. You have three years to start works.
The planning portal shows that the club have recently submitted further information required as part of Conditional Planning Approval (standard procedure as designs are finalised).
So we have until 26th October 2020 to start the works before a renewal application will be required.
Quote from: Mike the White on May 16, 2019, 05:05:29 PM
The other question I haven't seen an answer to is, when does the planning permission expire. Remember it was applied for in Mo's time. Surely they won't let slip by and have to reapply
A good couple of years to run.
Is there any news re work done to the Johnny Haynes stand? Surely that's where the dugouts will have to be created when work happens on the riverside? Will that impact seats too?
